Is there salvation after death?

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But I will repeat that a lot can happen in the last few moments of a person's life.
Of course a lot can happen in the last few moments of a person's life.
I do not have a problem with death bed repentance.
In fact, there is Scriptural basis for it.
The thief on the cross and Jude 23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
But that is still this life, not after death.
 
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I suspect people will quote a lot of Bible verses that say no, but I think only the Lord could know the answer to that question.
Whilst the Lord may only know, He spoke everything that explains salvation, He died for it. He made His mission to show us the whole truth,
I doubt Jesus kept something so serious a secret
 
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Of course a lot can happen in the last few moments of a person's life.
I do not have a problem with death bed repentance.
In fact, there is Scriptural basis for it.
The thief on the cross and Jude 23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
But that is still this life, not after death.
Well said
 
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Is there salvation after death?

Yes and no. It is written: 1 Peter
19: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

This verse tells you, who, what and when. Those who perished in the flood were given a chance to accept and repent. I would imagine that some did and some didn't just like when he preached on earth. Other situations are very clear. Like someone who has heard the word and has clearly rejected Christ has sealed their fate. Some who had become Christians then walked away, well the bible is clear about that. What about a young child that dies that wasn't capable of understanding salvation. This fits into what some say that if you die without accepting Christ your going to hell. According to them there are a lot of children in hell. What about someone that has never heard about Christ? They die, so according to some they are going straight to hell. A physical death is not a barrier to God in all reality it is irrelevant since all are alive as God see's it. The body is only a tent for the spirit just because the tent gives way doesn't mean the spirit is lost forever. It is written: I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. This applies whether in the physical or in the spirit. God is not bound by the very finite understanding of the human mind. So again the answer is yes and no.
Make up your mind, you can’t quote yes or no, you either say yes, no, or I’m unsure. Which is it??
 
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Whilst the Lord may only know, He spoke everything that explains salvation, He died for it. He made His mission to show us the whole truth,
I doubt Jesus kept something so serious a secret
Yes, but much can happen in the last moments of a person's life.
 
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The scripture does not say either way,
Actually it does...

Ecclesiastes 9:4-6
For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
 
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Yes.

Except a seed falls to the ground and die, it cannot bring forth life.

Salvation comes only after death.
I believe that passage was referring to Jesus... otherwise those faithful that are alive at His coming have no hope.
 
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Purgatory is making a mockery of the sovereign righteous Judge and is highly destructive to the faith and it places people under a false sense of security, in the hope that their deboucherous life in the here and now, can somehow be successfully appealed against and to have the Judge's decision who made the judgment decision overturned.
The same heresy as the Rapture doctrine... a false belief in a second chance. Satan loves it when people believe this drivel.
 
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Actually it does...

Ecclesiastes 9:4-6
For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
The wisdom of solomon related to the earthly order. He ended up getting depressed at the end of his life because he knew nothing of the heavenly order.
 
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The wisdom of solomon related to the earthly order. He ended up getting depressed at the end of his life because he knew nothing of the heavenly order.
So that's your reasoning... the inspired Word of God revealed something that was nothing more than the ramblings of a depressed man? What a small god you worship.
 
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Yes it does. He says "Today", there may not be a chance tomorrow.

Doug,

That passage says nothing about no more chances/endless punishment. You're reading your opinions/theology into the text, adding to His words.

You continue to ignore Scriptures i referred to:

Ever better than having a chance, they'll be forgiven. Therefore they repent. See Mk.3:28; Mt.12:31-32, etc, as already posted in this thread & never refuted.

When a person rejects God, God has declared the sentence to be everlasting punishment.

More opinions. No Scripture. See:

Have you been decieved by your Bible translation?

For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:

Augustine's ignorance & error re Matthew 25:46

The Promised Land is a shadow of Heaven.

Another opinion of man, instead of God's Word. How do you know the promised land (on earth) is not a shadow of the millennial age kingdom of Christ (on earth)?

If you have unbelief in this life, that's it, you don't get a chance to repent in the next life.
If I were you I would take His warning seriously.

You're full of your own opinions. I prefer the Truth. See:

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
 
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Yes, but much can happen in the last moments of a person's life.
Very very true, the thief on the cross shows us that, but what people here are trying to convince others is that there is afterlife forgiveness?
Are you going to take that chance??
Because I’m certainly not
 
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Very very true, the thief on the cross shows us that, but what people here are trying to convince others is that there is afterlife forgiveness?
Are you going to take that chance??
Because I’m certainly not
If you are saying that you would stop serving and seeking God if you knew you could get a second chance, you have others things to think about. Because God already knows this and this feeling id's not akin to living God with all your heart.....It is doing what you feel you have to to save your self. And he who thinks to save his life shall lose it.

I don't see how talks of second chances could sway ones walk with God. Don't we feel it our duty to serve God with all our hearts, without thoughts of punishments and rewards?
 
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If you are saying that you would stop serving and seeing God if you knew you could get a second chance, you have others things to think about. Because God already knows this and this feeling id's not akin to living God with all your heart.....It is doing what you feel you have to to save your self. And he who thinks to save his life shall lose it.

I don't see how talks of second chances could sway ones walk with God. Don't we feel it our duty to serve God with all our hearts, without thoughts of punishments and rewards?
I’m not saying that at all, I’m saying that I will not take a chance on afterlife salvation and I’m advising against such nonsense.
Since I encountered Jesus, my heart wants to do what’s right. I didn’t make me like this, He did. If there was salvation in the afterlife and the Bible said so, I would live according to that. But it don’t, so I’m living for the way it says now. I’m living for Jesus.
It is Him that’s in me. I couldn’t go backwards if I tried. I have tried by the way and I always ended up coming back. I don’t enjoy my old life, I prefer Gods ways.
So yes, He can look at my heart and He will see that I don’t want anything other than Him, regardless of an afterlife salvation or not
 
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The wisdom of solomon related to the earthly order. He ended up getting depressed at the end of his life because he knew nothing of the heavenly order.

"ALL scripture is given by inspiration from God" 2 Tim 3:16... that includes the writing of Solomon.

Solomon concludes with this --


Remember now your Creator in the days of your youth,
Before the difficult days come,
And the years draw near when you say,
“I have no pleasure in them”:...

The Whole Duty of Man
9 And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs.

10 The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth.

11 The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.

12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
 
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If you are saying that you would stop serving and seeing God if you knew you could get a second chance, you have others things to think about. Because God already knows this and this feeling id's not akin to living God with all your heart.....It is doing what you feel you have to to save your self. And he who thinks to save his life shall lose it.

I don't see how talks of second chances could sway ones walk with God.

Any message that says "no need to decide now you always have a more convenient chance later" is death.

The implication that you will wake up dead one day - and say "oh my - I have died... well I guess I need to take the gospel seriously" is basically telling the lost that there is no urgency to decide. How sad.
 
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Any message that says "no need to decide now you always have a more convenient chance later" is death.

The implication that you will wake up dead one day - and say "oh my - I have died... well I guess I need to take the gospel seriously" is basically telling the lost that there is no urgency to decide. How sad.
The Christian Churches , Catholic and Protestant and Independant,
don't accept universalism, so it's really not a worry
for anyone in a Christian Church.
Some fringe cults though do teach anti-Gospel messages, to appeal to that other crowd (for money and numbers and power/control over them) .....
That's why universalism can only be debated on this Christian Forum in the controversial section.
It's a slam dunk, once the false doctrine is named.
 
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I’m not saying that at all, I’m saying that I will not take a chance on afterlife salvation and I’m advising against such nonsense.
Since I encountered Jesus, my heart wants to do what’s right. I didn’t make me like this, He did. If there was salvation in the afterlife and the Bible said so, I would live according to that. But it don’t, so I’m living for the way it says now. I’m living for Jesus.
It is Him that’s in me. I couldn’t go backwards if I tried. I have tried by the way and I always ended up coming back. I don’t enjoy my old life, I prefer Gods ways.
So yes, He can look at my heart and He will see that I don’t want anything other than Him, regardless of an afterlife salvation or not

Do you never sin, in thought word or deed or by omission.
The truth is that we all sin.....
 
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