Who could be the 8th king of Revelation

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I will explain later. I am going to bed.

1260, 1290, 1335, 3-1/2 days, 5 months, etc. All numbers in the book of Revelation are to be understood spiritual discerned (not literally) based on comparing Scripture with Scripture.
I am waiting for you to explain why 1260 days of Revelation 11:2, regarding your claim....

"The 1,260 days are symbolically the whole church age as long as we bring Gospel to save people until all Elect has been sealed, then the beast will come out of the bottomless pit to silence them which will bring the great tribulation."

why not 1290 days? why not 2520 days? why not 763 days? why not 520 days? why not 48 days? why not 143 days?
 
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Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


These particular verses here are about a singular false one coming to play Christ. The actual Greek for "false Christs" is pseudochristos from the Greek pseudo and Christos. In the Greek Christos is singular for Christ.
If it is about a singular person - then why does the text says "Christs" plural? And false prophets, plural?

José Luis de Jesús Miranda, John Miller of Australia, Vissarion of Russia - if they are not false christs and false prophets - then what are they?
 
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You do not need a microscope like you have going to see who 8th King WILL BE: It is very big and simple, the 8th King MUST BE Globalist World Government, the whole "scarlet wildbeast". And since, of course, all prophecy for this age ends at the same place, 8th King COMPLETE GLOBALIZED WORLD GOVERNMENT OF THE FUTURE is the WHOLE Daniel 2 "immense image", Daniel 7 WHOLE 4th beast, Daniel 8:25 "King Fierce" and Daniel 11:45 King North, they all must be the same cat, The 8th and last "King".

And thus we can safely now say, 666 WORLD GOVERNMENT MUST come first, apply all "false prophet" prophecy to itself, be successful for "one hour" symbolic Revelation 17:8-12 (Dan11:36) and then Christ shall arrive to save many sheep and exterminate the NWO.

Christ must arrive AFTER the 8th King, it is now a no brainer.

All you need is to look out the window to see it coming.
 
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There is nothing in error of what I wrote. I was making commentary, not a thus saith the Lord, as though I was delivering an interpretation speaking on behalf of the Lord.

Not likely!

That's not what the text indicates in Revelation 13. There's no connection between Revelation 13:13-14 and Revelation 20:9. The beast and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire, alive, at the end of the 42 months, when Jesus returns, not by fire from out of heaven by God to consume them.

You are confused. You did not read what I wrote carefully. The fire coming out of heaven is not the same as the fire found in "lake of fire". The fire in Scripture signifies judgment. The fire coming out of heaven upon beast and the kings of the earth in Revelation 20 is not actually taking place at Second Coming, but rather judgment from God that His unfaithful congregation where beast rule will believe their lies to ensure they will not find salvation. That is all. The Lake of Fire, however, takes place when Christ returns and judge the nations, including Satan. This is when Satan, beast, and false prophet will be thrown in...FOREVER. And no there will not be a literal 1,000 years kingdom per premillennial's fable, where satan will wait 1,000 years before coming. That is why you are confused about wrong timing, to begin with.


Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

This takes place at Second Coming. Not to be confused with fire coming down from heaven.

The miracles, such as the fire coming down from heaven, deceives them that dwell upon the earth. That's what the text says.

Revelation 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

No, it is not a physical miracle to make fire physically falling down from heaven. Rather it is "lying signs and wonders" which is FALSE GOSPEL/DOCTRINEs (eg. propersity gospel, judge not gospel, woman pastors, feel good gospel, entertainment, etc.). These are the abominations found in the congregation of God where false prophets and christs (beast) are performing. God is using them as a judgment upon His unfaithful congregation because they did not love the truth. In this way, they believe a lie "as if" fire comes out of heaven to devour them! Selah!
 
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Symbolic? - just more nonsense that you cannot support with any fact

1 Corinthians 2:13-14
(13) Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
(14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Well symbolic is foolish to you, O' natural man. :) You need Spirit of Christ in order to understand what CHrist is actually talking about.
 
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1 Corinthians 2:13-14
(13) Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
(14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Well symbolic is foolish to you, O' natural man. :) You need Spirit of Christ in order to understand what Christ is actually talking about.
You fail to answer the question posted to you twice
You simply Fail again to show you really understand scriptural topics and you insert your private doctrine -passing off as truth , which is why you evade the truth of facts :)
 
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The another beast is the false prophet. Neither is Satan.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

So what, playing child games? you say it ain't, I say it is? Rev.13:11 and Rev.12:9 is plain enough who the "another beast" is, you just don't care to heed God's Word as written:

Rev 12:7-9
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

KJV

Rev 13:11
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

KJV
 
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If it is about a singular person - then why does the text says "Christs" plural? And false prophets, plural?

José Luis de Jesús Miranda, John Miller of Australia, Vissarion of Russia - if they are not false christs and false prophets - then what are they?

Because you're reading a TRANSLATION of the Greek words pseudochristos which was translated to "false Christs". And that no doubt based on Matt.24:5 which is Jesus' warning about "many" coming in His name saying they are Christ.

In the Greek the word Christos is singular, and means Christ. And that's the subject of those verses:

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.


"Then" is a conjunction with the time of "great tribulation" He just mentioned in verse 21. Does "any man" mean any group of men? No, it means one, it's singular. And that's how Jesus is warning them if someone comes up to you and says Christ is here, or there, to not believe it. Surely you don't think His disciples could be duped into believing in many Jesus' with that.


24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

It's not like we don't already have 2 Thess.2 and Rev.13 and 1 John 2:18 about the false one that's to come to Jerusalem and play God. There's no doubting that Paul showed a singular false one doing those great signs and wonders in 2 Thess.2. And same thing in Rev.13:11 forward being a singular entity. No confusion there. So why should what our Lord Jesus said here about the coming false one be confusing? The Bible student who has studied Paul's Epistles and Christ's Revelation ought to quickly pick up this Matt.24:23-26 Message of warning from our Lord Jesus to know it's about a singular false one.


25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV


And just so we know, again, for emphasis, the "He" there is capitalized in my KJV Bible edition. Jesus is emphatically saying if anyone comes telling you it's Me, don't believe it. Simple enough.
 
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And just so we know, again, for emphasis, the "He" there is capitalized in my KJV Bible edition. Jesus is emphatically saying if anyone comes telling you it's Me, don't believe it. Simple enough.
José Luis de Jesús Miranda in the USA, John Miller of Australia, Vissarion of Russia - if they are not false christs and false prophets - then what are they?

So why should what our Lord Jesus said here about the coming false one be confusing?

Because if Jesus was only warning about one false christ - then why didn't he warn about the multitude of other false christs that many have been deceived by and followed?

Jesus was not just warning about one false christ - but "many" will come in his name. There have been false christs popping up all over different parts of the world.
 
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1 Corinthians 2:13-14
(13) Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
(14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Well symbolic is foolish to you, O' natural man. :) You need Spirit of Christ in order to understand what CHrist is actually talking about.
The content of your posts are being evaluated by the rest of us by what you write. Everyone here at this forum are Christians. And Jesus loves us all.
 
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José Luis de Jesús Miranda in the USA, John Miller of Australia, Vissarion of Russia - if they are not false christs and false prophets - then what are they?



Because if Jesus was only warning about one false christ - then why didn't he warn about the multitude of other false christs that many have been deceived by and followed?

Jesus was not just warning about one false christ - but "many" will come in his name. There have been false christs popping up all over different parts of the world.

That argument just does't have any merit, especially since Jesus already mentioned the "many" that would come in His name saying they are Christ back at the Matt.24:5 verse. You're really stretching to find something wrong with what the Matt.24:23-26 clearly shows about the coming of a singular pseudo-Christos.
 
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I really don't appreciate you taking my words out of context, your pulling out a sentence out of paragraph I wrote which contains more info that goes with it. That's the kind of thing those who bear false witnesses do. They chop up your words to try and make it sound like you said something different, or they discard evidence that backs up what they're saying (which is what you did to my earlier post).

Here's the full paragraph I wrote, and in blue is what you pulled out of it:

"It's not like we don't already have 2 Thess.2 and Rev.13 and 1 John 2:18 about the false one that's to come to Jerusalem and play God. There's no doubting that Paul showed a singular false one doing those great signs and wonders in 2 Thess.2. And same thing in Rev.13:11 forward being a singular entity. No confusion there. So why should what our Lord Jesus said here about the coming false one be confusing? The Bible student who has studied Paul's Epistles and Christ's Revelation ought to quickly pick up this Matt.24:23-26 Message of warning from our Lord Jesus to know it's about a singular false one."

The information in that paragraph answers that question, but you chopped that info out and acted like I didn't back up what I said. You're not interested in God's Truth as written, you're only interested in creating confusion.


So why should what our Lord Jesus said here about the coming false one be confusing?

Because if Jesus was only warning about one false christ - then why didn't he warn about the multitude of other false christs that many have been deceived by and followed?

José Luis de Jesús Miranda in the USA, John Miller of Australia, Vissarion of Russia - if they are not false christs and false prophets - then what are they?

Because if Jesus was only warning about one false christ - then why didn't he warn about the multitude of other false christs that many have been deceived by and followed?

Jesus was not just warning about one false christ - but "many" will come in his name. There have been false christs popping up all over different parts of the world.
 
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That argument just does't have any merit, especially since Jesus already mentioned the "many" that would come in His name saying they are Christ back at the Matt.24:5 verse. You're really stretching to find something wrong with what the Matt.24:23-26 clearly shows about the coming of a singular pseudo-Christos.
When the great tribulation begins, many people around the world ,including the Jews in Israel, will be seeking Christ's return.

There will be rumors that Jesus is in some place or another place, and false Christs claiming that they are Jesus returned.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

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What you are doing is trying to show that the second beast in Revelation 13 that performs the miracles is the Antichrist - because there are miracles performed by the false Christs and false prophets - both plural in the text - but you say singular, in Matthew 24:24.

But you are failing to note that the beast in Revelation 13, blasphemes against God and his name....

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

....which is hardly indicative of someone claiming to be Jesus. And since the second beast has the world make an idol to be worshiped in the image of the first beast - that is super not indicative of anyone claiming to be Jesus.

José Luis de Jesús Miranda in the USA, John Miller of Australia, Vissarion of Russia - all claim(ed) to be Jesus returned.
 
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I really don't appreciate you taking my words out of context, your pulling out a sentence out of paragraph I wrote which contains more info that goes with it. That's the kind of thing those who bear false witnesses do. They chop up your words to try and make it sound like you said something different, or they discard evidence that backs up what they're saying (which is what you did to my earlier post).
You asked a rhetorical question in the context of your post - and I responded to it, taking into account what you wrote following that question of yours.

One of the traits of this forum's system is that long quotes in the gray boxes only show partially - unless a person clicks "to expand". I selected that rhetorical question, specifically, because that question would not have shown if I had quoted your entire post.

And even seeing your whole post, it has no bering on my point - that Jesus was warning people not just about one specific false christ and false prophet - but about many false christs and false prophets.
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You still have not answered my question, though....

José Luis de Jesús Miranda in the USA, John Miller of Australia, Vissarion of Russia - if they are not false christs and false prophets - then what are they?
 
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John 4-16
Jesus said to her, “Go, call your husband, and come back.” 17 The woman answered him, “I have no husband.” Jesus said to her, “You are right in saying, ‘I have no husband’; 18 for you have had five husbands, and the one you have now is not your husband. What you have said is true!”

She was waiting for the Messiah. Jesus came to her at the well told her He was the Messiah she was waiting for. She believed in Jesus. Jesus is the one she was waiting for who had not yet come. Jesus was there but a short while and was going to His destruction ( the cross) The resurrected Christ is the eighth and one of the seven. Jesus is the beast(a beast to the unbelievers) that was and is not. ( to the unbeleivers He was on earth and now is not on earth.)

Rev 17-9
“This calls for a mind that has wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; also, they are seven kings, 10 of whom five have fallen, one is living, and the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain only a little while. 11 As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction.

It is also helpful to know that Samaria had five occupations of pagan nations that left pagan kings to rule it's people in it's history. A sixth pagan king occupied Samaria at the time Jesus spoke to the woman. This polluted the originally Jewish practices of the Samaritan people. Hence she is filled with blasphemies.
Jesus calls her Woman. That is a title He only used for one other woman. His mother. The Samaritan woman and her story has deep significance. She is the woman riding the beast with seven heads. Also because her life ( five husbands one current) and the life of the entire nation( five foreign kings one current)are exactly parallel. She is Samaria. Thus why Jesus called her Woman. The story is one of victory because she was a pagan who believed Jesus and was saved. Also because she believed many Samaritans believed. (representing Samaria)
 
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The resurrected Christ is the eighth and one of the seven. Jesus is the beast(a beast to the unbelievers) that was and is not. ( to the unbeleivers He was on earth and now is not on earth.)
Eloy, the beast in Revelation is the great opposer to Jesus. The beast and the false prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire, in Revelation 19:20.
 
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Understood and agree. We know Jesus isn't the beast. I put it there because Jesus is a beast to the unbelievers. And the anti-christ will imitate Jesus. The story of the woman and what John wrote in Revelation are the same pattern Also keep in mind that the Samaritan woman and Samaria have the same life experience. She IS Samaria. Also the Lamb conquers the woman riding the beast. We get a glimpse of that victory when we see Jesus convert the woman(who is Samaria) and all the people who believe in Jesus because of her. The Pagan god's of Samaria are conquered by Jesus in the Story at the well. The Beast ridden by the harlot makes war on the Lamb but the Lamb conquers the beast because He is King of Kings in Revelation

Samaria and the woman are one. Samaria had five foreign kings in it's past and the one it had when Jesus was at the well. The Samaritan woman had five husbands in her past and the one she had when Jesus was at the well. This is why Jesus called her Woman. A title not an insult.
Revelation
the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; also, they are seven kings, of whom five have fallen, one is living,
 
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This is only a study of Eschatology, i'm not saying that the Pope is antichrist by all means,
we should not precede God in all manner until the time is revealed.
The 7 Kings of Revelation & the 8th King, Petrus Romanus… the Final Pope! - ANTICHRIST REVEALED
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Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and ONE IS, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

ONE IS : Apostle John might saw John Paul II while he was alive and ruling
THE OTHER IS NOT YET COME : Pope Benedict suddenly resigned after a short space

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven....

John Paul I was suspected to be removed due to his statement that the "smoke of satan has entered the Vatican", so the 7 -1 = 6, The arrival of the 8th king make it remains the same seven heads.

The seven head of the beast has ONE BODY which shows that the kings come from ONE INSTITUTION/nation and each rule in sequence.
http://themillenniumreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/harlot-babylon-luther-bible-1534-saturated-PD-US.jpg
The Beast carry the woman called the harlot of Babylon
There are only two women in Revelation, the true church and the fake church.
The beast sits on many water/nations, which means he has believers around the globe.

Antichrist will be revealed by the 1st seal opening to win PEACE all over the world.
He has a bow without arrows which means he will win many Peace Deals by force.
Daniel 8:25 ... and by peace shall destroy many.

Antichrist has no arrows/armies but will own the power of the new 10 horns/kings :
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Gabriel has revealed to Daniel that antichrist will come from the Roman.
Daniel 9:26 ... and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary...
Its the people of the Roman Prince who destroyed the Temple.

27 And he (that Roman Prince) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week...
One week - the final week of the 70th week of Daniel. which is the 7 years grief tribulation.

The only man in this world with the capacity to make that 7 years Peace Covenant between Israel-Arab is this man, obviously shown.
la-fg-pope-francis-israel-palestinian-peace-20140608

As Judas who betrayed Jesus came from the church himself, antichrist will have the same root.

Once again i'm not saying that Pope is the antichrist, this is just an Eschatology,
we should not precede God by all means until the time comes to reveal it.


The identity of the 8th king in Rev.17:8:

In Daniel's chapter 7 dream we find four great beasts come up from the sea, diverse one from another.

Daniel 7:4 The first [was] like a lion, and had eagle's wings...Babylon
Daniel 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear...Medo Persia
Daniel 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard...Greece
Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly...Rome

In the verse below we learn that in the figurative language of a vision or dream in prophecy, a "beast" is a kingdom or empire.

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

BEAST = KINGDOM - THE BEAST OUT OF THE SEA/ANTICHRIST - THE BEAST OUT OF THE EARTH/FALSE PROPHET.

There is a broad agreement among Jewish and Christian scholars that the kingdoms represented by Daniel's lion, bear and leopard, are the successive ancient kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Persia and Greece, followed by the fourth "terrible" beast, that is understood to be the Roman Empire.

This conclusion is reached within the traditional continuous-historic context of prophecy. This is simply the view that bible prophecy is fulfilled steadily, as the era about which it is written gradually unfolds. This is the context in which virtually all Christians and Jews understand Old Testament prophecy.

The 8th beast/king refers to the 4th world power that was defeated and ended, which was the Roman Empire, that will be revived in the latter days As well as to the 8th king, who is the Antichrist.

Rev.17:8 "The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.

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“This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. 11The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

12“The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

At Jesus second coming, with His armies from heaven, the battle of Armageddon will take place with Jesus and His armies from heaven, engaged against the above revived Roman Empire, under the two beasts, the Antichrist, the False prophet and the ten horns/nations. Whom Jesus will defeat, throw the two beasts into the lake of fire and destroy the armies of the ten horns/nations, ending the seven year tribulation, recorded in Rev.19:11-21.



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We should learn what has happened in history of the past :
The Little Horn of Daniel

And the beast of Revelation is still the same 4th beast of Rome reinstituted.

Look how the 4th beast of Rome has reappeared
but morphed as the beast with 7 heads in the end times and it carries the harlot of babylon (fake church of Christianity)

 
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