Can I Stop Intrusive Thoughts? OCD Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

I dunno, I'm sort of convinced now that the devil is behind this. He is trying to keep your eyes off of Jesus. You must trust in Him, and disciple yourself in God's Word. It WILL get better. Trust me.

To quote Billy Graham:

___"Many Christians have heard that there is an unpardonable sin and live in dread that something grave they have done before or after conversion might be that sin.
___"Their fears are unfounded. While there is an unforgivable sin, it is not one that a true believer in Jesus Christ can commit.
___"The one sin which God cannot forgive is mentioned in Mark 3:28-30 and Matthew 12:31-32. Jesus had been performing miracles, including driving demons out of people by the power of the Holy Spirit. Instead of recognizing the source of Jesus' power and accepting Him as God's Son, the religious leaders accused Him of being possessed by the devil and driving demons out in the power of the devil.
___"Jesus responded by saying, "I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."
___"The sin of the religious leaders, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, was a refusal to accept the witness of the Holy Spirit to who Jesus was and what He had come to do, and then submit their lives to Him. Jesus said concerning the Holy Spirit, "When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment" (John 16:8). They chose rather to reject the Spirit's witness to their sin and to Jesus, and accused Him of being demon possessed!
___"The point for us is that if we have received Jesus as our Savior and Lord, we have not blasphemed the Holy Spirit; we have accepted His witness. One study Bible explains it as follows: "To commit this sin one must consciously, persistently, deliberately, and maliciously reject the testimony of the Spirit to the deity and saving power of the Lord Jesus." If a person keeps doing that until death, there is no hope of forgiveness and eternal life in heaven.
___"Once again, the unpardonable sin is not some particularly grievous sin committed by a Christian before or after accepting Christ, nor is it thinking or saying something terrible about the Holy Spirit. Rather, it is deliberately resisting the Holy Spirit's witness and invitation to turn to Jesus until death ends all opportunity.
___"In order to experience God's peace, we must come to Him, trusting His promises. Isaiah 1:18 says, "Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord. Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow." In 1 John 1:9 we read: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
___"Jesus Himself assures us, "Whoever comes to me I will never drive away" (John 6:37). Our God is a compassionate and merciful God. He desires that no one should be lost, but that all should come to salvation through repentance and personal faith in Jesus as Savior and Lord (2 Peter 3:9; Acts 2:21)."


To quote Neil Anderson:

"Scripture clearly teaches that Satan is capable of putting thoughts into our minds. ...These deceptive thought come first person singular in such a way that we think they're our own thoughts.

"...Martin Luther wrote, 'The Devil throws hieous thoughts into the soul--hatred of God, blasphemy, and despair. ...Sometimes he produces such as to make me doubt whether or not there is a God.'

"...David powlison [said], "'Voices' in the mind are not uncommon: blaphemous mockeries,spurts of temptation to wallow in vile fantasy or behavior, pursuasive lines of belief. Classic spiritual warfare inteprets these as coming from the evil one.'

"I have counseled hundreds of believers who are struggling with their thought life. Some have difficulty concentrating and reading their Bible, while others actually hear 'voices' or struggle with accusing or condemning thoughts. With few exceptions these struggles have proven to be a spiritual battle for their mind. This shouldn't surprise us since we have been warned in 1 Timothy 4:1: 'The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.'

"...Many people will assume the are mentally ill...Are they mentally ill or is there a battle going on for heir mind?...Psychiatrits and psychologists routinely see patients who are hearing voices: chemical imbalance is the standard diagnosis. I believe our body chemistry can get out of balance and cause discomfort and hormonal problems can throw our systems off. But I also believe there are other legitimate questions to be asked, such as, 'How can a chemical produce a personal thought?' and 'How can our neurotransmitters involuntarily and randomly fire in such a way that they create thoughts that we are opposed to thinking?' Is there a natural explanation? ...I don't think we will have a comprehensive answer unless we take into account the reality of the spiritual world.

"...Much of what is being passed off today s mental illness is nothing more than a battle for our minds."


"Our struggle is not against flesh and blood but against the rulers...authorities...world powers of darkness...spiritual forces of evil in the heavens." (Ephesians 6:12)

This is not an issue of sin, my friend, but of spiritual warfare. Evil, blasphemous, accusing, condemning thoughts such as those come from the Devil. Satan is called the "accuser of the brethren" for good reason. He is also called a "Liar" who "fills the world with lies", by Jesus. But what is the truth? What does God's Word say? Replace Satan's lies with God's truth.

The bible says you are free from condemnation (Romans 8:1,2). You are free of any condemning charges against you (Romans 8:31-34). When God looks at you, He sees the righteousness of Christ. Christ loved you so much he gave his very life to be with you! While you were at your worst. You cannot be separated from the love of God (Romans 8:35-39). Christ took the penalty of your sin on himself so that you could be with Him forever.

"'Come now, let us argue this out,' says the Lord. 'No matter how deep the stain of your sins, I can remove it. I can make you clean as freshly fallen snow. Even if you are stained as red as crimson, I can make you white as wool.'" (Isaiah 1:18)

Who are you listening to: God or Satan? Who do you believe? Who have you let control you? Has the Enemy gained a foothold in your life?

"Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death." (2 Cor. 7:10)

"God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love and discipline." (2 Timothy 1:7)

“If you continue in My Word, you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (Jesus, John 8:31-32)

"Be transformed by the renewal of your mind" (via the Word) (Romans 12:1,2)

"Submit yourself to God. But resist the Devil and he will run away from you." (James 4:7)

"Be strengthened by the Lord" (Ephesians 6:10-13)

“I give them real and eternal life. They are protected from the Destroyer for good. No one can steal them from out of my hand.” (Jesus, John 10:28)

"He has rescued us from the power of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son" (Col. 1:13)

"The thief [Satan] comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." (Jesus, John 10:10)



Recommended resources:

• "Spiritual Warfare: The Battle For God's Glory", a book by Jerry Rankin: Amazon.com: Spiritual Warfare: The Battle for God's Glory (9780805448801): Jerry Rankin, Beth Moore: Books
  
  
• "The Steps To Freedom In Christ", a booklet by Neil Anderson
  "A Step-By-Step Guide To Help You"
  --Resolve personal and spiritual conflicts
  --Break free from bondage and renew your mind
  --Experience daily victory as a child of God
  
  Amazon.com: Steps to Freedom in Christ: Booklet Revision (9780830735860): Mr. Neil T. Anderson: Books ?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1243627783&sr=8-1
  
  ^Addresses thought life; obssessive, blasphemous, condemning thoughts; repeating nagging thoughts (such as "I'm dumb", "I'm ugly", "Nobody loves me", "I can't do anything right"); anger; fear etc....
  
  
• God As He Longs For You To See Him, a sermon series by Chip Ingram:God: As He Longs for You to See Him - Free Video Resource

I will tell you I have im am littarly dealing with the excact same thing, After comming to the lord I was always being attack by horrible gross intrusive thoughts. They affected me at work outside my house and even with my family. I was soo sick of having these thoughts and the feeling they came with that one day I decided to get high " my addiction the lord helped me get over" and while I was high what I assume to be anger towards the holy spirit I had the thought " the spirit of perversion" which many of my ocd thoughts or atleast I assume those constant thoughts to be ocd not really sure if I have it, but I feel like I assumed the holy spirit was making me have these thoughts. I have been really worried ever since and my realtionship with the lord has changed as well. The thoughts I once had all ended after that night, but now I think of this sin all the time, and if Im not thinking about it I feel less safe because I feel like im avoding god or something. Like you I dont really no what to do but I thought it might help since were both expercing the same thing, if you got help please emial or if u want to talk about it at Austinjesusfreak123atyahoo.com
I hope we both get over this soon god bless us both

You know - I found!

I found that The Word spoken in love for God, myself and my neighbour, right inside my heart - was always right - so I filled my heart up with the written Word and let that replace those intrusive thoughts.

Over many years I let this happen, the Word spoken in The Spirit of Love, brought about some changes inside of my inner world, let me assure you! The Living Word is unspeakably awesome and wonderful and truly The Son of God, heed only Him!

Today, apart of when I'm psychotic, I hear The word spoken in love for God, myself and my neighbour, when otherwise in intrusive thoughts would hasve spoken and compulsive behaviours ruled.

Life with Him on-board is great - even though I still often get severely depressed and suffer from crippling psychotic episodes, yet now more often than not loving truth speaks instead of God-forsaken-ness, isn't that amazing?

How true Jesus is to His Word, - The Living Word - I absolutely love Him - He is teaching me to live a free and happy life even though I'm seriously ill and has been setting me free from sins and compulsive behaviours more and more, bringing me peace.


I fully recommend Jesus Christ as King of our hearts - so un-speakable much better than our ego-centric self ruling our lives of ruins down here, that' for sure! (Daniel 7)


That God's loving peace go with you all, especially when you must suffer badly - yet be of good courage - The Living Word will do it all, all we need is have loving faith in Jesus when times are bad and love for Jesus and His children when times are good. (it is that easy!)







psalm 21

For the director of music. A psalm of David.

O LORD, the king rejoices in your strength.
How great is his joy in the victories you give! You have granted him the desire of his heart
and have not withheld the request of his lips.

Selah


You welcomed him with rich blessings
and placed a crown of pure gold on his head.
He asked you for life, and you gave it to him—
length of days, for ever and ever.
Through the victories you gave, his glory is great;
you have bestowed on him splendor and majesty.
Surely you have granted him eternal blessings
and made him glad with the joy of your presence.
For the king trusts in the LORD;
through the unfailing love of the Most High
he will not be shaken.
Your hand will lay hold on all your enemies;
your right hand will seize your foes.
At the time of your appearing
you will make them like a fiery furnace.
In his wrath the LORD will swallow them up,
and his fire will consume them.
You will destroy their descendants from the earth,
their posterity from mankind.
Though they plot evil against you
and devise wicked schemes, they cannot succeed;
for you will make them turn their backs
when you aim at them with drawn bow.
Be exalted, O LORD, in your strength;
we will sing and praise your might.

I had these thoughts for a while and i'm losing my feeling of fear commiting the unpardonable sin down to the point of not feeling much when I have those thoughts. Did I commit the unpardonable?

To Juvale H.
No, many of us on this forum have/are going thru the very same thing as you, my friend! Look over the old threads, they've helped me out a lot!~ I just discovered this forum a few days ago... I wish I had found it sooner! I would love to have been able to dialogue with Unpardonable1 and the others! But, read over those threads for now. And, remember that many Christians thru out the ages have experienced this. Read John Bunyan's Grace Abounding... It is his biography and he went thru this for years!!! Bunyan wrote the greatest Christian work of fiction of all-time! ~Christian's Progress.
Write me back to let me know how you're doing, buddy...
Grace_Abounding

"There could be no reason why speaking against the Christ should be less fatal than speaking against the Holy Spirit, or that speaking against the Holy Spirit, should be more mortal than speaking against Jesus Christ, except for one thing: the element of time, of dispensation, of the gospel age, and of the Holy Spirit's testimony. The rejection of Christ during his earthly and personal ministry was not final. But the repudiation of the Holy Spirit in the dispensation of his testimony to 'reprove the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment’ (John 16:8), would be the final act of rejection. Jesus was speaking of the present with reference to Himself, and of the future as it applied to the Holy Spirit

I was totured also by this after worrying of sentences against the holy spirit, I gave god the unwanted sentence of the Holy Spirit verbaly and said in my heart see God this is false from my heart, then went to a preacher healing in the holy spirit doing healings I was still confused scared told him I gave God my unwanted sentence verbalized to myself out of trying to seperate me from this sentence and the guy healing doing works through the spirit said ohh your playing with fire, and I was petrified then i was worried for months, then i went to church went for healing at the front of the church during service and a pastor said God has his hands on you, and i cried and felt the holy spirit.....but even after that my doubt came back again and was worried of being rejected from god, then i went on a mission trip to papua new guiney, with a preacher dooing miracles, i was worried seeing the power of God, feared being rejected again, the preacher i was with was ministering and said Jesus saus to you Matthew your sins are forgiven you and to stop condeming yourself, I was still worried then he repeated later on the unwanted sentence I said about the holy spirit that i was in fear of, to show me that that wasnt blasphemy just speaking words, then he preached and did wonders in the power of the holy sprit afterwards...



I pray that all lies from the devil in condeming people with anxiety and OCD with blasphemy etc can be broken in Jesus Christs name, my heart goes out to you all as I am in the same boat and know what it is like to want the right answers and to have god in my life, my Jesus bring you peace and power in your life to rise and be who you were born to be in Christ.

milroytime said:

"There could be no reason why speaking against the Christ should be less fatal than speaking against the Holy Spirit, or that speaking against the Holy Spirit, should be more mortal than speaking against Jesus Christ, except for one thing: the element of time, of dispensation, of the gospel age, and of the Holy Spirit's testimony. The rejection of Christ during his earthly and personal ministry was not final. But the repudiation of the Holy Spirit in the dispensation of his testimony to 'reprove the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment’ (John 16:8), would be the final act of rejection. Jesus was speaking of the present with reference to Himself, and of the future as it applied to the Holy Spirit

I was totured also by this after worrying of sentences against the holy spirit, I gave god the unwanted sentence of the Holy Spirit verbaly and said in my heart see God this is false from my heart, then went to a preacher healing in the holy spirit doing healings I was still confused scared told him I gave God my unwanted sentence verbalized to myself out of trying to seperate me from this sentence and the guy healing doing works through the spirit said ohh your playing with fire, and I was petrified then i was worried for months, then i went to church went for healing at the front of the church during service and a pastor said God has his hands on you, and i cried and felt the holy spirit.....but even after that my doubt came back again and was worried of being rejected from god, then i went on a mission trip to papua new guiney, with a preacher dooing miracles, i was worried seeing the power of God, feared being rejected again, the preacher i was with was ministering and said Jesus saus to you Matthew your sins are forgiven you and to stop condeming yourself, I was still worried then he repeated later on the unwanted sentence I said about the holy spirit that i was in fear of, to show me that that wasnt blasphemy just speaking words, then he preached and did wonders in the power of the holy sprit afterwards...



I pray that all lies from the devil in condeming people with anxiety and OCD with blasphemy etc can be broken in Jesus Christs name, my heart goes out to you all as I am in the same boat and know what it is like to want the right answers and to have god in my life, my Jesus bring you peace and power in your life to rise and be who you were born to be in Christ.

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It is The Living Word you want to get to know friends - that is The Holy Spirit in your heart - the voice/thoughts who speaks The Word in love for God, yourself, for God loves you, and all others as He loves you! Follow Him!

You know what He did with my complusively unbelieving and doubting self in my life? He unceremoniously threw me down into the bottomless pit along with my tormentors, where I perished the doubting unbeliever I was forever, for I saw for myself the fate called godforsaken and am shaken to the core of fright for lost sinners and utter admiration that Jesus would conquer that for us wrongdoers and have been praising Him since for His deliverance!


Be of good courage - and EAT The Truth instead of The Lie as Daily diet!

Oh Lamb of God!

I know for sure that Your Voice is You!
For The Living Word within is true
Right within my soul Your Spirit dwells
About God's Kingdom Your love tells.

Forgiving love is wonderful within
For it surely does away with sin.
Bringing thankfulness alive
Bringing an end to all my inner strife.

Keep teaching me The Way to go
Living Waters through me to flow.
A heart praising God each Day anew
His loving Word that ugly Dragon slew.

Slowly day after day You take me in
Onhigh with You and all God's kin
Praising Father for only He is good.
His loving Truth my constant food.

More and more The TRUTH reveals
As The Lamb of God opens all the seals
Angels beside themselves with glee
God's amazing Salvation I may see!

Oh Lamb of God - You alone I praise!
Oh Your loving truth bringing Grace!
Without Your Word I could not have known
What Your love in me has sown!

I have experienced serious spiritual OCD and so has a dear family member. I did a lot of research on line about how vitamin deficiency contributes to OCD, depression, and other mental illnesses. Even if you think you eat a healthy diet, it's not enough. Extreme spiritual fearfulness (over blasphemy & going to hell) & doubting (even while you are pursing God, reading his word, and in prayer)are forms of spiritual OCD. They and other racing negative fearful thoughts are the result of a vitamin deficiency which causes a chemical imbalance in the brain and is treatable with extreme daily doses of vitamines. If you or a loved one experience extreme spiritual fearfulness, OCD or schizophrenia tendancies (paranoia, visual hallucinations, hearing voices), depression, insomnia, racing thoughts, panic attacks, anxiety, other mental distresses, do yourself a favor and reasearch depression, schizophrenia, OCD vitamin and orthomolecular therapy and the work of a canadian doctor named Abram Hoffer. Basically he developed a treatment (that truly WORKS) with Vitamines. It's a minimal cost to incur to invest in your physical and mental AND SPIRITUAL wellness. I am not peddling anyone's vitamines. You can get any brand at Walmart or a grocery store or a vitamine store on line. These Vitamin supplements have been a tremendous help to my relative and myself who continue to experience greater and greater healing each day that we continue with this vitamine therapy. Relief comes within the first couple of days and continues as you continue to take the vitamine supplements. You must take them for the rest of your life or risk a relapse. [/font]

1000 mg niacian daily (get a combination of flush-free and regular niacin) the regular will cause you to flush--(you will get red and hot but this means it is working--the longer it takes you to flush the more you needed it. the redness goes away in about 15 minutes. The flush-free niacin will not make you flush. If you start to feel nauceaous, lower the dosage or skip a day altogether with it, then take a "normal" dosage, like 100-500 mg. An extremely high dose like 1000-2000 is for when things get extremely uncontrollable and it should only be temporary. It's too much to take regularly. After a day or two you could start to feel naucious from that much, but it will jumpstart the seratonin in your brain to help you relax and control your thoughts, then you can lower it to 500.

2000-3000 mg Vitamine C take 1000 mg 3x a day[/font]
HTP5 - At least 100 mg daily
Vitamine B 8 - (inisitol) - 10-18g per day depending on severity of your OCD (it's alot but take it)
Vitamine B combo vitamine 2 or 3 per day (with B1, B6, B12)[/font]

Essential Omega Fats (with fish oil and flax) take 2-3 per day.[/font]

Results will be notable within a day or two, with the greatest results starting at around 6 weeks of taking these.

Swear off all junk food, all artificial sweetners, all refined white sugar products, all alcohol, eat GOOD NUTRITIOUS FOOD, fresh and frozen vegetables, fruits, unsweetned fruit juice, filtered water or spring water, cut down on caffeine. Going gluetin free is also good but it's not necessary for ever

Please research these things on line yourself as I am not allowed to post URLs on this site. I would have

Please, also understand that you must honor Jesus Christ and trust his shed blood and ressurection fully for salvation. Read the word daily and pray, and live according to biblical principals and this along with proper nutrition, will eliminate spiritual OCD and extreme spiritual fearfulness

AustinJesusfreak said:

I will tell you I have im am littarly dealing with the excact same thing, After comming to the lord I was always being attack by horrible gross intrusive thoughts. They affected me at work outside my house and even with my family. I was soo sick of having these thoughts and the feeling they came with that one day I decided to get high " my addiction the lord helped me get over" and while I was high what I assume to be anger towards the holy spirit I had the thought " the spirit of perversion" which many of my ocd thoughts or atleast I assume those constant thoughts to be ocd not really sure if I have it, but I feel like I assumed the holy spirit was making me have these thoughts. I have been really worried ever since and my realtionship with the lord has changed as well. The thoughts I once had all ended after that night, but now I think of this sin all the time, and if Im not thinking about it I feel less safe because I feel like im avoding god or something. Like you I dont really no what to do but I thought it might help since were both expercing the same thing, if you got help please emial or if u want to talk about it at Austinjesusfreak123atyahoo.com
I hope we both get over this soon god bless us both

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It amazes me that this thread is still ongoing - the OP was posted in 2006. I hope all those who have participated have found some measure of relief from OCD.

Yahweh loves you with an everlasting love (John 3:16-17, Jer 31)

'...even the very hairs of your head are all numbered." Luke 12:7 (which are constantly changing)

"For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end." Jer 29:11

I hate that so many people have gone through this torment. I had/have blasphemous thoughts about the Holy Spirit after I learned there was an unpardonable sin. Well, then I had my first appointment with a counselor, and he asked me what sort of blasphemous thoughts I'd been having. I told him (a cleaned-up, none-profane version) because I want him to be able to help me. Well, shortly after that, I read the passage in Matthew (bad idea) where it says that speaking a word against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable. I can't remember if I'd read that before or not; I think I read the verses but then forgot that actually speaking the words was bad? I honestly can't remember. But I had done so much research on the unforgivable sin and what the 'blaspheme' part of it was that I just forgot about the Matthew 12:32 verse. And, like I said, I was desperate for help and comfort. Ugh. This is awful! It's one of those Bible verses that nobody even seems to really be sure what it means, so you hear reassurance from somebody and then think, but how do they know for sure?

Not to mention that, with OCD, reassurance doesn't help. Not really. Even reading other Bible verses that should be comforting, like when they talk about God's forgiveness, then I have the Matthew verse just waiting for me to remind me that speaking a word against the Holy Spirit won't be forgiven, and that's from Jesus himself! Soooo. It's rough.

Just by being concerned about this reflects your true heart and Yeshua is in the heart business (Psa 9:1, Prov 3:5, 4:23, 23:26, Philippians 4:7, +).

Encourage you to just accept His forgiveness and move forward with Him.

This thread has been inactive for a bit, but I was hopeing to open up a discussion with several of the people on this thread so here it goes. I'm sure you all get a lot of questions about this (this 27 page thread it proof of that), so I figure you all could help. Just a little back ground on me. I was saved (or so I believed so) when I was young. I've been through some rough times recently , and I looked to the Bible for comfort. Then I came across the verse mentioning the unpardonable sin. Since I have been into inappropriate contentography I have been trying to get out to no avail. I ask so many times for a way out no matter what. I liked to place verses about forgiveness as wallpaper on my phone. I searched for one on the internet to find the unpardonable sin. I was concerned that I had done so due to curses against God that had crossed my mind. I later found out that what had crossed my mind was not the unpardonable sin. Fast forward about 2 weeks (my time may be off). I decided to look at the passage again for reasons I can't remember. I read the passage, and in my stupidity did not take the warning seriously. Curses once again swarmed my mind (I honestly do not remember what all they were, but I'm scared it could have been thoughts similar to what the Pharisees said). Something makes me think I was checking to see if the floor would come out from under me. I remember having an absolute feeling of despair come across me, and I became upset once again. After this I can remember feeling this sudden strange feeling that I can't describe. Was that the Holy Spirit leaving me? I want to be forgiven more than anything, but can I? I'm afraid it was me that thought those thoughts because I wasn't thinking strait for a bit. I fear that I'm my stupidity I though the unpardonable sin. This sparked a dark spiral of thoughts in my head. I met with the youth minister at the church, and we discussed it. He said that the unpardonable sin was attributing the work of Jesus to Satan. I agree with this definition of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I remember I felt relieved by his words, and went on; however, the worry was not all gone. Again with the dark spiral of evil thoughts. One thing that particularly crossed my mind was (I do not want to state the first thought it because the phrase alone scares me) "Insert phrase that says the glory of God was actually the glory of.......you can guess" then I thought "maybe it was" then "oh gosh no no no that's not true". Then despair came across me. Again the dark spiral of bad thoughts. To this day I have not found genuine lasting peace. I don't remember the vast majority of my thought, but I'm almost certain that one of those evil thoughts was me commuting the unpardonable sin. I still despise myself to this day for my stupidity in that moment following my reading of the unpardonable sin chapter a 2nd time. How could I have been so stupid as to loose reverence for the word of God, and not take it seriously. I am almost certain that because of this I have committed the unpardonable sin. For the past year or so I have been living in a constant state of fear that I committed the unpardonable sin. I can't believe I thought those things, and I hate myself for it. I'm afraid what I did was kinda intentional (but without meaning). Let me say I do not agree with those thoughts, but I'm afraid I allowed them to enter my mind because I was just plain stupid (or done in the heat of the moment). Honestly I'm not sure if I knew 100% what I was actually doing. I just kinda happened. I didn't think about it. I've been researching this topic a lot, and I have come across so many interpretations. I do agree with the idea that the unpardonable sin is giving Satan credit for God's work. I am terrified, and scared out of my mind. Not a day has gone that I haven't worried about it. I've lost 21 pounds, been depressed, and most importantly I'm afraid of my spiritual condition. To this day I'm having crazy thoughts, and I'm scared I'm entertaining them. I also don't feel convicted like I use to (if at all). Or is my fear of committing it conviction? I don't agree with my sin by an means, so don't get me wrong their. I'm also having a hard (if not impossible) time feeling God's presence. I have spoken with the head pastor of our church, and he believes that if such a sin could be committed today that I have not committed it simply because I'm worried. He is also convinced that God has a big plan for me, but I'm afraid God has given up on me. Can I ever get out of this worry? Could this sin unsave me? Does it mean I wasn't saved to begin with? I want to come to Jesus more than anything, but I'm afraid he won't accept me. I'm afraid the desire to come to Christ is from me, and not the Holy Spirit. Have I committed the unpardonable sin? Do I have hope, or am I hopelessly condemned? Is the Lord going to reject me? And before anyone says it yes I have OCD, but I don't think what happened on the particular incident (refering to the "will the floor fall out from under me thing") I described was OCD. Please help me!

William3 said:

This thread has been inactive for a bit, but I was hopeing to open up a discussion with several of the people on this thread so here it goes. I'm sure you all get a lot of questions about this (this 27 page thread it proof of that), so I figure you all could help. Just a little back ground on me. I was saved (or so I believed so) when I was young. I've been through some rough times recently , and I looked to the Bible for comfort. Then I came across the verse mentioning the unpardonable sin. Since I have been into inappropriate contentography I have been trying to get out to no avail. I ask so many times for a way out no matter what. I liked to place verses about forgiveness as wallpaper on my phone. I searched for one on the internet to find the unpardonable sin. I was concerned that I had done so due to curses against God that had crossed my mind. I later found out that what had crossed my mind was not the unpardonable sin. Fast forward about 2 weeks (my time may be off). I decided to look at the passage again for reasons I can't remember. I read the passage, and in my stupidity did not take the warning seriously. Curses once again swarmed my mind (I honestly do not remember what all they were, but I'm scared it could have been thoughts similar to what the Pharisees said). Something makes me think I was checking to see if the floor would come out from under me. I remember having an absolute feeling of despair come across me, and I became upset once again. After this I can remember feeling this sudden strange feeling that I can't describe. Was that the Holy Spirit leaving me? I want to be forgiven more than anything, but can I? I'm afraid it was me that thought those thoughts because I wasn't thinking strait for a bit. I fear that I'm my stupidity I though the unpardonable sin. This sparked a dark spiral of thoughts in my head. I met with the youth minister at the church, and we discussed it. He said that the unpardonable sin was attributing the work of Jesus to Satan. I agree with this definition of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I remember I felt relieved by his words, and went on; however, the worry was not all gone. Again with the dark spiral of evil thoughts. One thing that particularly crossed my mind was (I do not want to state the first thought it because the phrase alone scares me) "Insert phrase that says the glory of God was actually the glory of.......you can guess" then I thought "maybe it was" then "oh gosh no no no that's not true". Then despair came across me. Again the dark spiral of bad thoughts. To this day I have not found genuine lasting peace. I don't remember the vast majority of my thought, but I'm almost certain that one of those evil thoughts was me commuting the unpardonable sin. I still despise myself to this day for my stupidity in that moment following my reading of the unpardonable sin chapter a 2nd time. How could I have been so stupid as to loose reverence for the word of God, and not take it seriously. I am almost certain that because of this I have committed the unpardonable sin. For the past year or so I have been living in a constant state of fear that I committed the unpardonable sin. I can't believe I thought those things, and I hate myself for it. I'm afraid what I did was kinda intentional (but without meaning). Let me say I do not agree with those thoughts, but I'm afraid I allowed them to enter my mind because I was just plain stupid (or done in the heat of the moment). Honestly I'm not sure if I knew 100% what I was actually doing. I just kinda happened. I didn't think about it. I've been researching this topic a lot, and I have come across so many interpretations. I do agree with the idea that the unpardonable sin is giving Satan credit for God's work. I am terrified, and scared out of my mind. Not a day has gone that I haven't worried about it. I've lost 21 pounds, been depressed, and most importantly I'm afraid of my spiritual condition. To this day I'm having crazy thoughts, and I'm scared I'm entertaining them. I also don't feel convicted like I use to (if at all). Or is my fear of committing it conviction? I don't agree with my sin by an means, so don't get me wrong their. I'm also having a hard (if not impossible) time feeling God's presence. I have spoken with the head pastor of our church, and he believes that if such a sin could be committed today that I have not committed it simply because I'm worried. He is also convinced that God has a big plan for me, but I'm afraid God has given up on me. Can I ever get out of this worry? Could this sin unsave me? Does it mean I wasn't saved to begin with? I want to come to Jesus more than anything, but I'm afraid he won't accept me. I'm afraid the desire to come to Christ is from me, and not the Holy Spirit. Have I committed the unpardonable sin? Do I have hope, or am I hopelessly condemned? Is the Lord going to reject me? And before anyone says it yes I have OCD, but I don't think what happened on the particular incident (refering to the "will the floor fall out from under me thing") I described was OCD. Please help me!

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@William3 Many Many Many MANY people experience this. They call it OCD Scrupulosity.
Many people hear voices against the Holy Spirit but they are just imaginations exalting themselves above the knowledge of Christ that you have to cast down in JESUS name. ( 2 corinthians 10:5 )

I assure you with MASSIVE amounts of prayer, fasting, and getting hands laid on you by Holy Spirit people they do subside and go away.
( Mark 16:17-18 )

Read Psalms 18 aloud four times a day and you will be strengthen.
Say you have a sound mind. ( 2 timothy 1:7 kjv )

Call prayer lines like tbn and daystar.
When you go to sleep play christian tv or play gospel music in the background to calm the mind.

Some people even experience a mild tourette's that try to make them say " F the Holy Spirit " or even hear it repeatedly within the mind.
Trust me with prayer it will leave.

Praying in the Holy Spirit helps as well. ( Romans 8:26 )

This link below can help
The Secrets of The Gospel: How to overcome fear of Matt 12:31-32!

William3 said:

This thread has been inactive for a bit, but I was hopeing to open up a discussion with several of the people on this thread so here it goes. I'm sure you all get a lot of questions about this (this 27 page thread it proof of that), so I figure you all could help. Just a little back ground on me. I was saved (or so I believed so) when I was young. I've been through some rough times recently , and I looked to the Bible for comfort. Then I came across the verse mentioning the unpardonable sin. Since I have been into inappropriate contentography I have been trying to get out to no avail. I ask so many times for a way out no matter what. I liked to place verses about forgiveness as wallpaper on my phone. I searched for one on the internet to find the unpardonable sin. I was concerned that I had done so due to curses against God that had crossed my mind. I later found out that what had crossed my mind was not the unpardonable sin. Fast forward about 2 weeks (my time may be off). I decided to look at the passage again for reasons I can't remember. I read the passage, and in my stupidity did not take the warning seriously. Curses once again swarmed my mind (I honestly do not remember what all they were, but I'm scared it could have been thoughts similar to what the Pharisees said). Something makes me think I was checking to see if the floor would come out from under me. I remember having an absolute feeling of despair come across me, and I became upset once again. After this I can remember feeling this sudden strange feeling that I can't describe. Was that the Holy Spirit leaving me? I want to be forgiven more than anything, but can I? I'm afraid it was me that thought those thoughts because I wasn't thinking strait for a bit. I fear that I'm my stupidity I though the unpardonable sin. This sparked a dark spiral of thoughts in my head. I met with the youth minister at the church, and we discussed it. He said that the unpardonable sin was attributing the work of Jesus to Satan. I agree with this definition of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I remember I felt relieved by his words, and went on; however, the worry was not all gone. Again with the dark spiral of evil thoughts. One thing that particularly crossed my mind was (I do not want to state the first thought it because the phrase alone scares me) "Insert phrase that says the glory of God was actually the glory of.......you can guess" then I thought "maybe it was" then "oh gosh no no no that's not true". Then despair came across me. Again the dark spiral of bad thoughts. To this day I have not found genuine lasting peace. I don't remember the vast majority of my thought, but I'm almost certain that one of those evil thoughts was me commuting the unpardonable sin. I still despise myself to this day for my stupidity in that moment following my reading of the unpardonable sin chapter a 2nd time. How could I have been so stupid as to loose reverence for the word of God, and not take it seriously. I am almost certain that because of this I have committed the unpardonable sin. For the past year or so I have been living in a constant state of fear that I committed the unpardonable sin. I can't believe I thought those things, and I hate myself for it. I'm afraid what I did was kinda intentional (but without meaning). Let me say I do not agree with those thoughts, but I'm afraid I allowed them to enter my mind because I was just plain stupid (or done in the heat of the moment). Honestly I'm not sure if I knew 100% what I was actually doing. I just kinda happened. I didn't think about it. I've been researching this topic a lot, and I have come across so many interpretations. I do agree with the idea that the unpardonable sin is giving Satan credit for God's work. I am terrified, and scared out of my mind. Not a day has gone that I haven't worried about it. I've lost 21 pounds, been depressed, and most importantly I'm afraid of my spiritual condition. To this day I'm having crazy thoughts, and I'm scared I'm entertaining them. I also don't feel convicted like I use to (if at all). Or is my fear of committing it conviction? I don't agree with my sin by an means, so don't get me wrong their. I'm also having a hard (if not impossible) time feeling God's presence. I have spoken with the head pastor of our church, and he believes that if such a sin could be committed today that I have not committed it simply because I'm worried. He is also convinced that God has a big plan for me, but I'm afraid God has given up on me. Can I ever get out of this worry? Could this sin unsave me? Does it mean I wasn't saved to begin with? I want to come to Jesus more than anything, but I'm afraid he won't accept me. I'm afraid the desire to come to Christ is from me, and not the Holy Spirit. Have I committed the unpardonable sin? Do I have hope, or am I hopelessly condemned? Is the Lord going to reject me? And before anyone says it yes I have OCD, but I don't think what happened on the particular incident (refering to the "will the floor fall out from under me thing") I described was OCD. Please help me!

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This sounds like OCD to me. I'm not sure I understand your comment about the floor falling out from underneath you. Also why you think reading the passage a second time was the wrong thing to do. BUT I will say that all of this does sound like OCD. Do you know how to tackle OCD using ERP therapy? If not, I can tell you some of the things that have worked for me. I know this type of thing feels awful, but everything is going to be OK.

William3 said:

This thread has been inactive for a bit, but I was hopeing to open up a discussion with several of the people on this thread so here it goes. I'm sure you all get a lot of questions about this (this 27 page thread it proof of that), so I figure you all could help. Just a little back ground on me. I was saved (or so I believed so) when I was young. I've been through some rough times recently , and I looked to the Bible for comfort. Then I came across the verse mentioning the unpardonable sin. Since I have been into inappropriate contentography I have been trying to get out to no avail. I ask so many times for a way out no matter what. I liked to place verses about forgiveness as wallpaper on my phone. I searched for one on the internet to find the unpardonable sin. I was concerned that I had done so due to curses against God that had crossed my mind. I later found out that what had crossed my mind was not the unpardonable sin. Fast forward about 2 weeks (my time may be off). I decided to look at the passage again for reasons I can't remember. I read the passage, and in my stupidity did not take the warning seriously. Curses once again swarmed my mind (I honestly do not remember what all they were, but I'm scared it could have been thoughts similar to what the Pharisees said). Something makes me think I was checking to see if the floor would come out from under me. I remember having an absolute feeling of despair come across me, and I became upset once again. After this I can remember feeling this sudden strange feeling that I can't describe. Was that the Holy Spirit leaving me? I want to be forgiven more than anything, but can I? I'm afraid it was me that thought those thoughts because I wasn't thinking strait for a bit. I fear that I'm my stupidity I though the unpardonable sin. This sparked a dark spiral of thoughts in my head. I met with the youth minister at the church, and we discussed it. He said that the unpardonable sin was attributing the work of Jesus to Satan. I agree with this definition of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I remember I felt relieved by his words, and went on; however, the worry was not all gone. Again with the dark spiral of evil thoughts. One thing that particularly crossed my mind was (I do not want to state the first thought it because the phrase alone scares me) "Insert phrase that says the glory of God was actually the glory of.......you can guess" then I thought "maybe it was" then "oh gosh no no no that's not true". Then despair came across me. Again the dark spiral of bad thoughts. To this day I have not found genuine lasting peace. I don't remember the vast majority of my thought, but I'm almost certain that one of those evil thoughts was me commuting the unpardonable sin. I still despise myself to this day for my stupidity in that moment following my reading of the unpardonable sin chapter a 2nd time. How could I have been so stupid as to loose reverence for the word of God, and not take it seriously. I am almost certain that because of this I have committed the unpardonable sin. For the past year or so I have been living in a constant state of fear that I committed the unpardonable sin. I can't believe I thought those things, and I hate myself for it. I'm afraid what I did was kinda intentional (but without meaning). Let me say I do not agree with those thoughts, but I'm afraid I allowed them to enter my mind because I was just plain stupid (or done in the heat of the moment). Honestly I'm not sure if I knew 100% what I was actually doing. I just kinda happened. I didn't think about it. I've been researching this topic a lot, and I have come across so many interpretations. I do agree with the idea that the unpardonable sin is giving Satan credit for God's work. I am terrified, and scared out of my mind. Not a day has gone that I haven't worried about it. I've lost 21 pounds, been depressed, and most importantly I'm afraid of my spiritual condition. To this day I'm having crazy thoughts, and I'm scared I'm entertaining them. I also don't feel convicted like I use to (if at all). Or is my fear of committing it conviction? I don't agree with my sin by an means, so don't get me wrong their. I'm also having a hard (if not impossible) time feeling God's presence. I have spoken with the head pastor of our church, and he believes that if such a sin could be committed today that I have not committed it simply because I'm worried. He is also convinced that God has a big plan for me, but I'm afraid God has given up on me. Can I ever get out of this worry? Could this sin unsave me? Does it mean I wasn't saved to begin with? I want to come to Jesus more than anything, but I'm afraid he won't accept me. I'm afraid the desire to come to Christ is from me, and not the Holy Spirit. Have I committed the unpardonable sin? Do I have hope, or am I hopelessly condemned? Is the Lord going to reject me? And before anyone says it yes I have OCD, but I don't think what happened on the particular incident (refering to the "will the floor fall out from under me thing") I described was OCD. Please help me!

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William, I understand exactly where you are coming from. I assure you, you are not alone. Your story sounds similar to mine and I will share it in hopes that you might relate.

Back in May, I started having horrible religious intrusive thoughts. They would make me so upset, that I would have panic attacks. I too dealt with many of the same fears you are having. It got so bad that my panic attacks we're almost constant. I was in a constant state of panic due to intrusive thoughts. I was even afraid to read my Bible. The very thing we need to read in order to renew our minds. I couldn't eat, I lost weight, I couldn't do anything because I was in a constant mind battle, I would even have trouble when I was asleep. I went to many, many pastors about my troubles.

It then got so bad from the constant panic attacks that I had an out of body experience and experienced depersonalization and severe emotion numbing. I could not believe that this was me, that I would have the horrid thoughts enter my mind about the ONE I love the most. I then went through stages of depersonalization emotion numbing.

Currently, I am not back to where I was before this happened, but I am getting better. The Lord is helping me through. I still have days of struggle. One thing I have decided, no matter what horrific attacks take place in my mind, is that I am going deeper with God. I am going to press forward to the goal, which is closely knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. When a thought comes to my mind, that tells me I have thought too far, I cast it down. It is a lie.

OCD requires us to have strong faith. That is the key, trusting no matter what lies are being tossed around in our minds. Trust in the Lord. Try not dwell on the thoughts and cast them down. You can get through all things with God.

Another key, is to stay in the WORD. It is sharper than any two-edged sword and needed to renew our minds. Do not let the fear overtake you and keep reading God's Word, even if you can only read a little bit each day.


If you ever need to talk, please message me. I know how difficult this can be my friend.


Isaiah 40:31
but those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint.


1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

John 6:37
All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.

1 John 3:20
for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything

@William3 you should look @ these videos or look at more under "blasphemous thoughts" on youtube.


Many people have gone through what you have and overcame.
YOU CAN DO IT.

Just keep praying, fasting, and getting hands laid on you by Holy Spirit filled people! (Mark 16:17-18)

Guys I don't think y'all understand. I don't think what happened was OCD. I think I willingly thought one of those thoughts half hazardedly. I know you can call me a moron. I agree with you. I've just always grown up with this idea of "eternal security" so I thought I was invincible. I thought the thought I'm afraid. Honestly I don't remember the exact thought. It could be something diffrent, but I'm afraid it was the unpardonable sin. I can't remember anything anymore and I'm only 17. What I'm saying is I don't think this thought was OCD related at all. I thought it not really meaning it. Just thinking it to think it. I didn't do it to slander God at all. That was not my intent. It was a dumb thought that I had, and instantly regretted and have regretted ever since.

William3 said:

Guys I don't think y'all understand. I don't think what happened was OCD. I think I willingly thought one of those thoughts half hazardedly. I know you can call me a moron. I agree with you. I've just always grown up with this idea of "eternal security" so I thought I was invincible. I thought the thought I'm afraid. Honestly I don't remember the exact thought. It could be something diffrent, but I'm afraid it was the unpardonable sin. I can't remember anything anymore and I'm only 17. What I'm saying is I don't think this thought was OCD related at all. I thought it not really meaning it. Just thinking it to think it. I didn't do it to slander God at all. That was not my intent. It was a dumb thought that I had, and instantly regretted and have regretted ever since.

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God loves you and He knows your heart. Jesus loves you and just remember that Jesus paid the price on the cross for all of our sins. God bless and Jesus is Lord.