[POLL] Should Christians Rest and Keep Holy the Sabbath Day?

Should Christians Rest and Keep Holy the Sabbath Day?

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The little horn power (clearly the Roman Catholic Church (RCC)) of Daniel's prophecy that thought to change the times and laws took credit for the time change of the Sabbath Day (times change) and changed around the Ten Commandments (law change). However, this Sabbath Day change they take responsibility for was not originally their change. It was changed prior to the existence of the RCC, as evidenced in the Didache. Furthermore, the change may not matter since the true Sabbath rest was pointing forward to Christ's rest. That is why they would "think" to change the times and laws but they did not actually change them. Just some thoughts on this subject and how it relates to Daniel's prophecy. This way, maybe everyone is right in one way or other.
 
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The little horn power (clearly the Roman Catholic Church (RCC)) of Daniel's prophecy that thought to change the times and laws took credit for the time change of the Sabbath Day (times change) and changed around the Ten Commandments (law change). However, this Sabbath Day change they take responsibility for was not originally their change. It was changed prior to the existence of the RCC, as evidenced in the Didache.

The Didache is not the Bible for many Christians.

And no Bible text says that the Sabbath given to Adam and Eve was pointing forward to Christ's rest. Nor does any text say that once we are born again we are to stop keeping one of the Ten Commandments as written.
 
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(CLV) Gn 26:5
inasmuch as your father Abraham hearkened to My voice and kept My charge, My instructions, My statutes and My laws.

What do you suppose this means?

It means the commandments of God existed before Sinai - so then it was "murder" to kill Able ... it was "sin" as God points out in Genesis 3.

Genesis 26:5 "5 because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.” NASB

"5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” NKJV
 
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The Sabbath command was part of the old covenant.

God is also part of that covenant. And it is made with humans they also are still around.

And also the LAW of the New Covenant includes the same Ten Commandment LAW as that which is written on the heart in Jeremiah 31:31-33 ... so then it is "still a sin to take God's name in vain" as Exodus 20 says -- even in the NT.

Just stating the obvious.
 
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The Didache is not the Bible for many Christians.

And no Bible text says that the Sabbath given to Adam and Eve was pointing forward to Christ's rest. Nor does any text say that once we are born again we are to stop keeping one of the Ten Commandments as written.

I think the Didache is authentic and Sunday worship began prior to the RCC.
 
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The little horn power (clearly the Roman Catholic Church (RCC)) of Daniel's prophecy that thought to change the times and laws took credit for the time change of the Sabbath Day (times change) and changed around the Ten Commandments (law change). However, this Sabbath Day change they take responsibility for was not originally their change. It was changed prior to the existence of the RCC, as evidenced in the Didache. Furthermore, the change may not matter since the true Sabbath rest was pointing forward to Christ's rest. That is why they would "think" to change the times and laws but they did not actually change them. Just some thoughts on this subject and how it relates to Daniel's prophecy. This way, maybe everyone is right in one way or other.
Your points seem to be self contradictory. Rome the horn that changes times and law, yet did not actually do that? But, I think it is possible that the Sanhedrin established by Rome, after the temple was destroyed established it's own traditional law they keep, since the law as written cannot be kept.
This sort of thing was warned of in the scripture numerous times, and numerous ways.
 
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Your points seem to be self contradictory. Rome the horn that changes times and law, yet did not actually do that? But, I think it is possible that the Sanhedrin established by Rome, after the temple was destroyed established it's own traditional law they keep, since the law as written cannot be kept.
This sort of thing was warned of in the scripture numerous times, and numerous ways.

RCC takes credit for changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. There was a change prior to their existence as evidenced in the Didache. The little horn would only think to change the times, is my point. They didn't actually change the times.
 
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RCC takes credit for changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. There was a change prior to their existence as evidenced in the Didache. The little horn would only think to change the times, is my point. They didn't actually change the times.
Yeah, I know. but it just seems so self contradictory to say the RCC is the little horn. Since they were not they which did it. But maybe I am mistaking your subtle nuances?
 
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Yeah, I know. but it just seems so self contradictory to say the RCC is the little horn. Since they were not they which did it. But maybe I am mistaking your subtle nuances?

They take credit for it but it does not appear they did it based on the Didache. Just stating the facts.
 
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Yeah, I know. but it just seems so self contradictory to say the RCC is the little horn. Since they were not they which did it. But maybe I am mistaking your subtle nuances?


They made it law and created civil penalties for violating their "change" - but the question as to whether some Christian groups were already doing something on week-day-1 is of course another matter.
 
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They take credit for it but it does not appear they did it based on the Didache. Just stating the facts.


Eusebius (c. 324) as the Teachings of the Apostles following the books recognized as canonical:[21]

"Let there be placed among the spurious works the Acts of Paul, the so-called Shepherd and the Apocalypse of Peter, and besides these the Epistle of Barnabas, and what are called the Teachings of the Apostles, (Didache) and also the Apocalypse of John, if this be thought proper; for as I wrote before, some reject it, and others place it in the canon."

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Many scholars have dated the text to the late 2nd century CE, a view still held today, other scholars have the Didache might go back to the first century. The document is a composite work, and the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls with its Manual of Discipline provided evidence of development over a considerable period of time, beginning as a Jewish catechetical work which was then developed into a church manual. Additionally, apart from two minuscule fragments, the Greek text of the Didache has only survived in a single manuscript, the Codex Hierosolymitanus. Dating the document is thus made difficult both by the lack of hard evidence and its composite character. The Didache may have been compiled in its present form as late as 150,


Some have imagined that the Didache says that the Lord’s Day is Sunday, or week-day-1… – but in fact – it does not, which is a bit surprising given that it was modified for centuries.
 
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Eusebius (c. 324) as the Teachings of the Apostles following the books recognized as canonical:[21]

"Let there be placed among the spurious works the Acts of Paul, the so-called Shepherd and the Apocalypse of Peter, and besides these the Epistle of Barnabas, and what are called the Teachings of the Apostles, (Didache) and also the Apocalypse of John, if this be thought proper; for as I wrote before, some reject it, and others place it in the canon."

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Many scholars have dated the text to the late 2nd century CE, a view still held today, other scholars have the Didache might go back to the first century. The document is a composite work, and the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls with its Manual of Discipline provided evidence of development over a considerable period of time, beginning as a Jewish catechetical work which was then developed into a church manual. Additionally, apart from two minuscule fragments, the Greek text of the Didache has only survived in a single manuscript, the Codex Hierosolymitanus. Dating the document is thus made difficult both by the lack of hard evidence and its composite character. The Didache may have been compiled in its present form as late as 150,


Some have imagined that the Didache says that the Lord’s Day is Sunday, or week-day-1… – but in fact – it does not, which is a bit surprising given that it was modified for centuries.

If the Lord's Day referenced in the Didache is the Sabbath Day then I agree it does not state worship on the first day of the week.
 
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If the Lord's Day referenced in the Didache is the Sabbath Day then I agree it does not state worship on the first day of the week.

It does not identify whether the term refers to a specific day of the week or to something like Passover. If it refers to a day of the week and this is supposed to be the earliest date at which the Lord's Day is identified with week-day-1... then this would have been the perfect time to actually mention that week-day-1 is the Lord's Day or at the very least "week-day-1 is the new Sabbath" or is "the Christian Sabbath".
 
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It does not identify whether the term refers to a specific day of the week or to something like Passover. If it refers to a day of the week and this is supposed to be the earliest date at which the Lord's Day is identified with week-day-1... then this would have been the perfect time to actually mention that week-day-1 is the Lord's Day or at the very least "week-day-1 is the new Sabbath" or is "the Christian Sabbath".

That's right. I agree. The Lord's Day is also mentioned in the Bible one time but could be referring to the Sabbath Day.
 
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That's right. I agree. The Lord's Day is also mentioned in the Bible one time but could be referring to the Sabbath Day.

Jesus said in Mark 2 he is Lord of the Sabbath, which makes the seventh day Sabbath the Lord's day
 
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Actually, the Sabbath will return both during the millennium and with the New Heavens and New earth (Isaiah 66:22-24), but fleshly observance of OT customs is not required at the present time any more than making sacrifices in the Jewish temple is.

But this debate has been beaten to death, even as recently again as a day or two ago, so I have no intentions of going round and round with anyone over it. Wisdom is deemed right by her children.

Wrong!....the 7th day SAbbath was created by God, as the seventh day of creation week...Genesis 2..He blessed and seventh day and sanctified it (made it Holy)...in Exodus 20 He wrote it on the stone tablets Himself as a sign of permanecy...
The sacrifices you mention are under the Mosaic law, the six hundred sacrificial, circumcision , feast festival etc laws that ended in Acts 15 with the exception of the four mentioned. If you cannot or will not obey God's ten commandments here on earth how do you expect to gain entry into God's eternal kingdom?
 
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Jesus said in Mark 2 he is Lord of the Sabbath, which makes the seventh day Sabbath the Lord's day

True. So also does Isaiah 58:13 where find that the Sabbath is "the Holy Day of the LORD"
 
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Wrong!....the 7th day SAbbath was created by God, as the seventh day of creation week...Genesis 2..He blessed and seventh day and sanctified it (made it Holy)...in Exodus 20 He wrote it on the stone tablets Himself as a sign of permanecy...

Amen!

The sacrifices you mention are under the Mosaic law, the six hundred sacrificial, circumcision , feast festival etc laws that ended in Acts 15 with the exception of the four mentioned. If you cannot or will not obey God's ten commandments here on earth how do you expect to gain entry into God's eternal kingdom?

And Hebrews 10:4-10 states regarding the "sacrifices and offerings" -- "He takes away the first to establish the second" - at the cross.
 
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