I was working on a reply to you with my stiff arthritic fingers but restarted my browser, and this deficient forum software does not save and restore text, and I am not about to start over, since i have already dealt with this sufficiently, most of which has been ignored. And thus and what we see is more assertions of error. Which most basically is, i a nut shell:
While you may imagine that you have arrived at the point which you no longer occasionally sin, and that the moment on sins he is lost, and thus penitent confession of all sin is required to be saved, yet,
- what love for God out of your whole heart, mind, soul and strength,
- and love for your neighbor as yourself
- (and for brethren as Christ loved us, fervently)
- requires in all your conscious moments,
- in heart word and deed,
- in what you should and what you should not do,
- and the awareness and remembering of all such,
- and the depth of all such,
is so extensive that one is in delusion who thinks they no longer occasionally sin, or that they were aware of and remembered all such unto penitent confession, and to the depth of what they did. They are neither conscious nor aware of the scope and the depth of their sin, and which would require not simply repentance but repentance corresponding to that depth, which blindness itself is due to defect of heart.
And to avoid occasionally sinning "Sinless Perfection" is required, "having reached a state whereby someone has put away even minor transgressions or faults out of their life," for any and all sin defiles. And to be aware and remember all sins also requires the extreme.
God knows how many sins I have done and was not aware of, let alone the depth, and the sinfulness of my heart. And for me sinning can even be letting a lost soul go close by me without giving them one of the gospel tracts i most always have on me (not trying to get in the way of souls headed to destruction with some means at hand can be sin), or not being sensitive to the Spirit of Christ, thus grieving Him, including on the time is to eat. (Or in restarting my browser without checking with Him, though that was not due to bodily desire, and may not be sin). And I have suffered much by doing a good charitable thing, even in obedience to leadership, but not walking in the fear of God, and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit (Acts 9:31) in His will.
Also, from
684 to
1050 (with repetitions in the latter at least) commandments have been counted in the New Testament.
In addition, to not sin occasionally in all your conscious moments, in heart word and deed, in commission and omission, means that you have indeed arrived at the stage of perfection of character which is necessary to not sin occasionally. To fail to do so means iniquity is still to be found in you, even if latent and has not been expressed in actions, and thus you are not wholly holy in flesh and spirit.
And while it seems (as i recall) you have gone from denying that Christians can occasionally sin and be saved to requiring penitent confession of all such, thus requiring perfect awareness and memories of sin, you now made a distinction btwn "serious sin" and lesser sin. Yet while some sins can result in quick unrepentant death, yet the wages of any and all sin is death, leading to the second death, unless one has appropriated imputed righteousness by contrite repentant faith which essentially is repentant about all sin, as described, even if not aware of them all, nor been so fully crucified with Christ that they no longer will sin.
Therefore in the light of what this obedience really means then according to the false accursed gospel of Jason0047 is that anyone and everyone who fails in love for God out of their whole heart, mind, soul and strength, and love for your neighbor as yourself (and for brethren as Christ loved us, fervently) in commission and omission is Hell bound unless and until they contritely confess their failure in each and every time. And if they not aware of even on failure, or did not remember to ask forgiveness for it then they will end up in Hell.
And thus at best the Christian life is a series of innumerable switching of their status from saved to lost to lost to saved (possibly) until they arrive at the condition of perfection of character needed to prevent occasional sin.
I have already explained that while those who willfully continue impenitently in sin testify to being unbelievers, and thus will be lost, yet the key issue is faith, and saving justifying faith is that of a poor and contrite heart, which thus hungers and thirsts to be in heart and practice what he is in Christ already. And thus he characteristically practices righteousness, and his failures/sins are usually out of weakness, and which he is repentant about in general and will not be damned for if he is not aware of them or forgotten, or the scope and depth of what he has confessed.
But such will penitently ask the Lord for forgiveness for sins he is aware of, and especially will remember any willful sins, and while Scripture promises salvation to the same Christians who have yet to attain the level in which they no longer will occasionally sin, yet it clearly warns believers as believers against having an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, drawing back unto perdition, back into bondage, making Christ of no effect, to no profit, falling from grace, etc., (Hebrews 3:12; 10:38,39; Gal. 5:1-5) as shown in a post on
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And contrary to your gospel, Scripture does indeed promise salvation to the same Christians who have yet to attain the level in which they no longer will occasionally sin, as it exhorts them to so do, to live in practice what they are positionally by faith:
- If ye then be risen with Christ [positionally], seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead [positionally], and your life is hid with Christ in God. (Colossians 3:1-3)
- When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. (Colossians 3:4)
- Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; (Colossians 3:5-9)
- Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. (Colossians 3:12-13)
Here believers are taught they will be with Christ since they believe, and thus no longer live in these things of the flesh, yet they need to overcome these sins by crucifixion of the flesh and the putting on of Christ.
What they are not told is neither that they can live in these sins and lay claim to being a saved believer, nor that they will only appear with the Lord in glory if they successfully stop sinning entirely, or are aware of and confess every failure that falls under wholehearted love for God and each other. Instead, they are exhorted to live in practice what they are in position as souls who will be with Christ by a faith which no longer lives in sin, but has yet not overcome all sinning.
To presume they were aware and remembered all their post-conversion sins unto impenitent confession in accordance with the depth is absurd, and is in contrast to being saved by purifying justifying faith which is penitent, even it not being aware of or remembering all their sin. Such is a true believer and is accounted righteousness, which is holy faith is the basis for his saved status, and as with David in Ps. 51 (which was after God had put away his sins) the focus of his confession of sin to God is that of his relationship with God, and his quest to fully restore that now-scarred relationship.
I have no need to deal with more of your objections and logical fallacies in which your conclusions are based on false premises.
Last week I was refuting liberal Christians who marginalize the emphasis on personal purity, and this week it is those who deny Christians sin (based on their definitions) or otherwise effectively argue they must toggle btwn saved and lost based upon every single failure of constant total love of God and others, and have perfect awareness and remembrance of such unto penitent confession, until the next failure in heart, word or deed, in commission and omission.
Neither extreme is what we see in the collective totality of the NT.