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Dear Friends,

I need to relate a recent experience that has drawn my attention to an increasing polarisation of perspective among followers of Christ.

It seems as time rolls on and the hour is late, the battle for truth rages all the more, and all too often from those within the ‘Christian community’.

Here is what happened.

Recently a close friend with which my wife and I fellowship, saw a posting on Facebook. My wife had posted a lovely photo of our wedding 33 years ago as we were celebrating the occasion of our wedding anniversary.

Well, we got a face book message from the friend on the anniversary day and she requested we read a certain book by Judith Brumbaugh and proceeded to ask if my former spouse who filed for separation 43 years ago was in fact still alive.

This was somewhat of a shock and our friend was so animated about it that we had to ask her to give us some space to enjoy the day – we later agreed to look at the book and feed back about it’s content.

A short while later the book was delivered and I took the time to consider it’s content seriously.

Judith heads up the ‘Restoration of the Family Inc.’ in Florida and is passionate about the destructive nature of divorce and it’s effect on the Christian Church.

Looking first at the title - “Finding Loopholes in the Bible on Divorce and ‘Remarriage’ is like Riding a Bike to Jamaica” - with a picture of a cyclist about to be taken out by a large wave - It was clear that the author intended to judge readers who failed to agree with her ‘biblical’ viewpoint and leave no room for contrary opinions.

In the introduction she insisted that the position to agree to disagree was untenable. Her thesis presented a position that claimed to be God’s final word on the subject. Disagreement was out of the question.

At this point I started to feel rather uneasy – when Jesus walked with the disciples after the resurrection, they felt strangely warm – well I felt strangely cold.

Further my understanding of how the Holy Spirit operated was that when He presents a message, the hearer always has the choice to accept or decline, in other words He never over-rides free will.

I was beginning then to doubt that the Spirit behind this message was truly Holy.

The reader was not given the option to disagree with the author and this set a tone of judgement throughout the whole book.

It may be her theology is so extreme because she seemed to adopt the position that the Scripture was not only divinely inspired but was also the ‘Total Word of God”.

If she then presented a consistent summary of a topic within scripture then that had to be ‘God’s Word’. Arguments challenging her position then, were considered to be an expression of rebellion.

She also gave special weight to a single English translation dating back to 1611. Sad that only English readers can really hear what God is saying???

The Word of God is a title that Jesus reserved for Himself. His word goes forth from eternity to eternity, He says ‘My sheep hear My voice.’ This voice is to be our teacher – this is very clearly recorded in 1 John 20-29.

To elevate some human word or interpretation above this sacred gift in the believer is at best, out of order, and can lead to bondage.

The scripture then, is a sacred tool which when combined with His Word brings life, but without the Holy Spirit it is deadly. The scripture say this of itself in 2 Cor 3:6.

The scripture is not exhaustive in all matters of life and faith – But the scripture is sufficient in all matters of life and faith if combined with His Word. He promises to give us wisdom for life if we ask Jam1: 5 and we will hear a voice behind us saying ‘this is the way – walk in it’ Is 30:20-21 This is direct communication with Him.

Judith is on a crusade to strengthen Christian families and this is a noble aspiration, but to present a theology to bolster her efforts is the last thing the body of Christ needs.

A disempowered Church needs to return to ‘First Love’, repent, and do again the deeds done at first – recorded in detail in the early chapters of Acts.

From this, ministries will emerge that will deal with any binding issues individuals might have from the past.

God’s solution is always more Love not more rules.

Her theory goes like this - a first marriage, (in my case to an unbeliever) is binding for life because it is a ‘one flesh’ union that supposedly cannot be broken.

In my case my spouse was looking for another man within six months of the marriage and eventually ended up living with my best friend. I experienced a prodigal’s return to faith and she then proceeded to file for separation and the marriage was legally dissolved. I was careful not to assist the divorce process, and there was nothing I could do to prevent it.

After this I was single for eleven years before divine circumstances led me to my present wife Sandi who is a deeply committed life partner in His work.

Judith insists that I was required to be single for life and my present marriage was born in sin.

I have 5 children ranging form 32 to 17 and I guess they should also be considered illegitimate.

Can I warn folks not to be beholden to this extreme teaching?

There are several references in scripture that refer to covenant being breakable through unfaithfulness.

Vows can be broken by the unfaithful and the believer is no longer bound.

We are told we will have many teachers but few Fathers. I think a father ministry better addresses this delicate issue.

1 Cor 7:27-28 clearly states that a marriage following being released from a wife is not sinful. This follows the reference in verse 15 that states that the believing partner is not bound to an unfaithful wife who divorces.

We are warned against being ‘one flesh’ with a prostitute; this being the case the ‘one flesh’ state is certainly not a matter of God’s binding ordinance till death.

Romans 7:6 was a scripture she didn’t quote – Paul tells us in this verse we are released from the law, having died to that to which we were bound, so that we serve in the newness of the Spirit and not the oldness of the letter.

All the clever technical argument presented has no weight without the Holy Spirit. It may hold together well, but lacks authority at the hub.

I note that in the scheme of things those with authority are rarely teachers or scribes. Most in the New Testament who were associated with His power and authority were simple folk characterised by obedience and love.

I am convinced that God does not discriminate against the simple by making the scripture hard to understand. When the Spirit assists with understanding revelation flows regardless of our mental capacity.

If we need a PhD. to follow a scriptural argument then something is wrong.

In many cases the intellectual folk have a harder time receiving from Him as they are more likely to struggle with the challenge intellectual humility.

For this reason I studied the Scripture constantly for more than 5 years without any reference to other books or teaching. I knew that His revelation knowledge was a jewel to be sought above all else.

Sandi and I were married by a humble intellectual giant, then Principal of the Bible College of New Zealand - Rev. Dr. David Stewart MBE with much love and grace.

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.
 
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I think what you are describing sums up what looks to me like getting 'stuck' on a particular verse, or set of verses. We know that God hates divorce, because he says so - Mal 2:16. However Jesus in Matt 19 also makes it clear that divorce in the case of unfaithfulness is legitimate, and he doesn't forbid remarriage in such circumstances. 1 Cor 7:15 provides further context that abandonment by a non-believing spouse releases the other partner from the marriage bond - 'no longer enslaved' is how the ESV translates it.
I think a similar thing happens in the 'faith only'/'faith and works' debate, where it can be too easy to get stuck on a particular verse rather than reasoning your way to understanding in a more systematic way, with reference to other parts of the bible. There are probably plenty more examples of this kind of thinking.
 
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I think you said it all when you identified the cold and legalistic spirit behind the teaching.

Certainly the joining of a man and a woman should not be undertaken without the understanding and commitment of permanence, nor should it be undone.

But if we think, because the marriage was aborted, that this means that a person should burn with passion for the rest of their lives, then we are cold hearted and merciless indeed.
 
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Hi

I would tend to agree that this sounds cold and legalistic. Yes, divorce is to be avoided at all costs, but is there no compassion?

I have a friend who is currently going through divorce. They are both Christians, however, she has been persistently abusive to him. So the question I asked him was this, could he say that this was a marriage blessed by God? Did it exhibit the fruits of the Spirit? Clearly not. So if the command "what God has joined together, let no man separate", my question is, did God really join them together?

I'd find it hard, knowing him, to try and justify that they should not get divorced.

I also think back to my own parents who divorced when I was a child. My dad was an alcoholic, so what was my mother supposed to do? Our church had no compassion and excommunicated her when they found out the divorce had gone through. She's not been back to a Church since. She still has faith, she keeps her Bible beside her bed and reads it regularly, but Church would be way too painful. For her, the people she needed to support her at one of the most difficult times in her life abandoned her.

The way I see it might be simplistic, but sometimes we have to choose the lesser of two evils. For both my friend and my mother, I would agree that divorce is painful and ugly, but in their cases staying in those marriages would be far, far worse. Does that mean there's no hope for love, and companionship later on? No.
 
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Dear Friends,
I need to relate a recent experience that has drawn my attention to an increasing polarisation of perspective among followers of Christ.
It seems as time rolls on and the hour is late, the battle for truth rages all the more, and all too often from those within the ‘Christian community’.
Here is what happened.
Recently a close friend with which my wife and I fellowship, saw a posting on Facebook.

Facebook does not require any compromise, so that that explains it.
People who spend more time on Facebook are more often diagnosed
with clinical depression.
 
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She also gave special weight to a single English translation dating back to 1611. Sad that only English readers can really hear what God is saying???

That alone is enough to tell one have nothing to do with this woman.

Thank your friend who sent you the book and live it as that. If he comes back ask him about your children, how does he view them?
 
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Hi there,

I have invited the author to more fairly represent her position than I can, here in the forum.

This would open the opportunity for a peer to peer dialogue with those among us who can comment on her expository skills.

I hope she takes the opportunity to do this, the Body of Christ needs an open discussion on these matters with those qualified to do so.

Folks need to know if their marriages and children are legit or not.

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.
 
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Well based upon what you said, there are a number of issues with her position.

1) Scripture clearly presents an "exception clause" where adultery has the capability of severing the one flesh covenant.

2)Paul expounds on the teaching in I Corinthians where he clearly states that in the case of an unequally yoked marriage, if the unbelieving spouse wishes to leave, they are able to do so and the divorced spouse is "no longer bound" meaning they are free to remarry.

3) And then even in situations where a divorce and remarriage would be considered sinful. Once the remarriage has occurred, then adultery obviously has occurred, and the one flesh covenant is between the previous spouses is then broken. So in this case, the new marriage can be "valid", though there ought to be repentance for the adultery.
 
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It was clear that the author intended to judge readers who failed to agree with her ‘biblical’ viewpoint and leave no room for contrary opinions.
In that, I find harsh legalism rather than loving godly support. And that is true in ANY area of belief and practice.

Indeed that certainly was NOT the position of the Early Church, nor it Judaic predecessor. Both allowed a certain latitude in both belief and practice.


That said, the usual prescription in such a case as the OP's is to divorce the current spouse and remarry the original spouse; something SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED in scripture:

Deut 24.3 and if the latter husband turns against her and writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her to be his wife, 4 then her former husband who sent her away is not allowed to take her again to be his wife, since she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance.​
 
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Dear Friends,

I need to relate a recent experience that has drawn my attention to an increasing polarisation of perspective among followers of Christ.

It seems as time rolls on and the hour is late, the battle for truth rages all the more, and all too often from those within the ‘Christian community’.

Here is what happened.

Recently a close friend with which my wife and I fellowship, saw a posting on Facebook. My wife had posted a lovely photo of our wedding 33 years ago as we were celebrating the occasion of our wedding anniversary.

Well, we got a face book message from the friend on the anniversary day and she requested we read a certain book by Judith Brumbaugh and proceeded to ask if my former spouse who filed for separation 43 years ago was in fact still alive.

This was somewhat of a shock and our friend was so animated about it that we had to ask her to give us some space to enjoy the day – we later agreed to look at the book and feed back about it’s content.

A short while later the book was delivered and I took the time to consider it’s content seriously.

Judith heads up the ‘Restoration of the Family Inc.’ in Florida and is passionate about the destructive nature of divorce and it’s effect on the Christian Church.

Looking first at the title - “Finding Loopholes in the Bible on Divorce and ‘Remarriage’ is like Riding a Bike to Jamaica” - with a picture of a cyclist about to be taken out by a large wave - It was clear that the author intended to judge readers who failed to agree with her ‘biblical’ viewpoint and leave no room for contrary opinions.

In the introduction she insisted that the position to agree to disagree was untenable. Her thesis presented a position that claimed to be God’s final word on the subject. Disagreement was out of the question.

At this point I started to feel rather uneasy – when Jesus walked with the disciples after the resurrection, they felt strangely warm – well I felt strangely cold.

Further my understanding of how the Holy Spirit operated was that when He presents a message, the hearer always has the choice to accept or decline, in other words He never over-rides free will.

I was beginning then to doubt that the Spirit behind this message was truly Holy.

The reader was not given the option to disagree with the author and this set a tone of judgement throughout the whole book.

It may be her theology is so extreme because she seemed to adopt the position that the Scripture was not only divinely inspired but was also the ‘Total Word of God”.

If she then presented a consistent summary of a topic within scripture then that had to be ‘God’s Word’. Arguments challenging her position then, were considered to be an expression of rebellion.

She also gave special weight to a single English translation dating back to 1611. Sad that only English readers can really hear what God is saying???

The Word of God is a title that Jesus reserved for Himself. His word goes forth from eternity to eternity, He says ‘My sheep hear My voice.’ This voice is to be our teacher – this is very clearly recorded in 1 John 20-29.

To elevate some human word or interpretation above this sacred gift in the believer is at best, out of order, and can lead to bondage.

The scripture then, is a sacred tool which when combined with His Word brings life, but without the Holy Spirit it is deadly. The scripture say this of itself in 2 Cor 3:6.

The scripture is not exhaustive in all matters of life and faith – But the scripture is sufficient in all matters of life and faith if combined with His Word. He promises to give us wisdom for life if we ask Jam1: 5 and we will hear a voice behind us saying ‘this is the way – walk in it’ Is 30:20-21 This is direct communication with Him.

Judith is on a crusade to strengthen Christian families and this is a noble aspiration, but to present a theology to bolster her efforts is the last thing the body of Christ needs.

A disempowered Church needs to return to ‘First Love’, repent, and do again the deeds done at first – recorded in detail in the early chapters of Acts.

From this, ministries will emerge that will deal with any binding issues individuals might have from the past.

God’s solution is always more Love not more rules.

Her theory goes like this - a first marriage, (in my case to an unbeliever) is binding for life because it is a ‘one flesh’ union that supposedly cannot be broken.

In my case my spouse was looking for another man within six months of the marriage and eventually ended up living with my best friend. I experienced a prodigal’s return to faith and she then proceeded to file for separation and the marriage was legally dissolved. I was careful not to assist the divorce process, and there was nothing I could do to prevent it.

After this I was single for eleven years before divine circumstances led me to my present wife Sandi who is a deeply committed life partner in His work.

Judith insists that I was required to be single for life and my present marriage was born in sin.

I have 5 children ranging form 32 to 17 and I guess they should also be considered illegitimate.

Can I warn folks not to be beholden to this extreme teaching?

There are several references in scripture that refer to covenant being breakable through unfaithfulness.

Vows can be broken by the unfaithful and the believer is no longer bound.

We are told we will have many teachers but few Fathers. I think a father ministry better addresses this delicate issue.

1 Cor 7:27-28 clearly states that a marriage following being released from a wife is not sinful. This follows the reference in verse 15 that states that the believing partner is not bound to an unfaithful wife who divorces.

We are warned against being ‘one flesh’ with a prostitute; this being the case the ‘one flesh’ state is certainly not a matter of God’s binding ordinance till death.

Romans 7:6 was a scripture she didn’t quote – Paul tells us in this verse we are released from the law, having died to that to which we were bound, so that we serve in the newness of the Spirit and not the oldness of the letter.

All the clever technical argument presented has no weight without the Holy Spirit. It may hold together well, but lacks authority at the hub.

I note that in the scheme of things those with authority are rarely teachers or scribes. Most in the New Testament who were associated with His power and authority were simple folk characterised by obedience and love.

I am convinced that God does not discriminate against the simple by making the scripture hard to understand. When the Spirit assists with understanding revelation flows regardless of our mental capacity.

If we need a PhD. to follow a scriptural argument then something is wrong.

In many cases the intellectual folk have a harder time receiving from Him as they are more likely to struggle with the challenge intellectual humility.

For this reason I studied the Scripture constantly for more than 5 years without any reference to other books or teaching. I knew that His revelation knowledge was a jewel to be sought above all else.

Sandi and I were married by a humble intellectual giant, then Principal of the Bible College of New Zealand - Rev. Dr. David Stewart MBE with much love and grace.

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.
Using a generality, similar to "generally speaking, men are taller than women", I'll say this (after spending most of my christian life in Seattle churches and the last six in small KY baptist churches): The more dogmatic a Christian is, the more likely they are to be King James Only believers, and the less they seem to really understand about the bible and the personality of God in general. But this is only a generalization.
 
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It may be her theology is so extreme because she seemed to adopt the position that the Scripture was not only divinely inspired but was also the ‘Total Word of God”.
It also reflects the erroneous Greek linear thought that each scripture can have one and ONLY one meaning; as opposed to the Hebraic mindset which has multiple layers of meaning on each passage.
 
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Carl: an interesting anecdote:

My mom and step dad were married in 1966.

She and my dad divorced 3 years earlier. That was my mom's first marriage but my dad's 2nd. When my mom asked our pastor (independent pentecostal) to marry them, he refused, citing the reasons in the book you reference. My mom countered with the fact that dad had been married before, and if a 2nd marriage was not legitimate, she had never been married. He just shook his head. So mom asked him to pray about it to see what God would say.

He did, and God told him to officiate the wedding. He did it grumbling, but he did it. And asked them to NEVER step foot in his congregation again.
 
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Dear Friends,

I need to relate a recent experience that has drawn my attention to an increasing polarisation of perspective among followers of Christ.

It seems as time rolls on and the hour is late, the battle for truth rages all the more, and all too often from those within the ‘Christian community’.

Here is what happened.

Recently a close friend with which my wife and I fellowship, saw a posting on Facebook. My wife had posted a lovely photo of our wedding 33 years ago as we were celebrating the occasion of our wedding anniversary.

Well, we got a face book message from the friend on the anniversary day and she requested we read a certain book by Judith Brumbaugh and proceeded to ask if my former spouse who filed for separation 43 years ago was in fact still alive.

This was somewhat of a shock and our friend was so animated about it that we had to ask her to give us some space to enjoy the day – we later agreed to look at the book and feed back about it’s content.

A short while later the book was delivered and I took the time to consider it’s content seriously.

Judith heads up the ‘Restoration of the Family Inc.’ in Florida and is passionate about the destructive nature of divorce and it’s effect on the Christian Church.

Looking first at the title - “Finding Loopholes in the Bible on Divorce and ‘Remarriage’ is like Riding a Bike to Jamaica” - with a picture of a cyclist about to be taken out by a large wave - It was clear that the author intended to judge readers who failed to agree with her ‘biblical’ viewpoint and leave no room for contrary opinions.

In the introduction she insisted that the position to agree to disagree was untenable. Her thesis presented a position that claimed to be God’s final word on the subject. Disagreement was out of the question.

At this point I started to feel rather uneasy – when Jesus walked with the disciples after the resurrection, they felt strangely warm – well I felt strangely cold.

Further my understanding of how the Holy Spirit operated was that when He presents a message, the hearer always has the choice to accept or decline, in other words He never over-rides free will.

I was beginning then to doubt that the Spirit behind this message was truly Holy.

The reader was not given the option to disagree with the author and this set a tone of judgement throughout the whole book.

It may be her theology is so extreme because she seemed to adopt the position that the Scripture was not only divinely inspired but was also the ‘Total Word of God”.

If she then presented a consistent summary of a topic within scripture then that had to be ‘God’s Word’. Arguments challenging her position then, were considered to be an expression of rebellion.

She also gave special weight to a single English translation dating back to 1611. Sad that only English readers can really hear what God is saying???

The Word of God is a title that Jesus reserved for Himself. His word goes forth from eternity to eternity, He says ‘My sheep hear My voice.’ This voice is to be our teacher – this is very clearly recorded in 1 John 20-29.

To elevate some human word or interpretation above this sacred gift in the believer is at best, out of order, and can lead to bondage.

The scripture then, is a sacred tool which when combined with His Word brings life, but without the Holy Spirit it is deadly. The scripture say this of itself in 2 Cor 3:6.

The scripture is not exhaustive in all matters of life and faith – But the scripture is sufficient in all matters of life and faith if combined with His Word. He promises to give us wisdom for life if we ask Jam1: 5 and we will hear a voice behind us saying ‘this is the way – walk in it’ Is 30:20-21 This is direct communication with Him.

Judith is on a crusade to strengthen Christian families and this is a noble aspiration, but to present a theology to bolster her efforts is the last thing the body of Christ needs.

A disempowered Church needs to return to ‘First Love’, repent, and do again the deeds done at first – recorded in detail in the early chapters of Acts.

From this, ministries will emerge that will deal with any binding issues individuals might have from the past.

God’s solution is always more Love not more rules.

Her theory goes like this - a first marriage, (in my case to an unbeliever) is binding for life because it is a ‘one flesh’ union that supposedly cannot be broken.

In my case my spouse was looking for another man within six months of the marriage and eventually ended up living with my best friend. I experienced a prodigal’s return to faith and she then proceeded to file for separation and the marriage was legally dissolved. I was careful not to assist the divorce process, and there was nothing I could do to prevent it.

After this I was single for eleven years before divine circumstances led me to my present wife Sandi who is a deeply committed life partner in His work.

Judith insists that I was required to be single for life and my present marriage was born in sin.

I have 5 children ranging form 32 to 17 and I guess they should also be considered illegitimate.

Can I warn folks not to be beholden to this extreme teaching?

There are several references in scripture that refer to covenant being breakable through unfaithfulness.

Vows can be broken by the unfaithful and the believer is no longer bound.

We are told we will have many teachers but few Fathers. I think a father ministry better addresses this delicate issue.

1 Cor 7:27-28 clearly states that a marriage following being released from a wife is not sinful. This follows the reference in verse 15 that states that the believing partner is not bound to an unfaithful wife who divorces.

We are warned against being ‘one flesh’ with a prostitute; this being the case the ‘one flesh’ state is certainly not a matter of God’s binding ordinance till death.

Romans 7:6 was a scripture she didn’t quote – Paul tells us in this verse we are released from the law, having died to that to which we were bound, so that we serve in the newness of the Spirit and not the oldness of the letter.

All the clever technical argument presented has no weight without the Holy Spirit. It may hold together well, but lacks authority at the hub.

I note that in the scheme of things those with authority are rarely teachers or scribes. Most in the New Testament who were associated with His power and authority were simple folk characterised by obedience and love.

I am convinced that God does not discriminate against the simple by making the scripture hard to understand. When the Spirit assists with understanding revelation flows regardless of our mental capacity.

If we need a PhD. to follow a scriptural argument then something is wrong.

In many cases the intellectual folk have a harder time receiving from Him as they are more likely to struggle with the challenge intellectual humility.

For this reason I studied the Scripture constantly for more than 5 years without any reference to other books or teaching. I knew that His revelation knowledge was a jewel to be sought above all else.

Sandi and I were married by a humble intellectual giant, then Principal of the Bible College of New Zealand - Rev. Dr. David Stewart MBE with much love and grace.

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.
My wife of 20 years decided, in 1997, that she didn't want to be married any more. And we had three daughters aged 10, 13 and 16. I was desperate to stay together, but after much counseling with the church, it was clear to everyone that she was done. I prayed to God that if one of us was not coming back, to free the other. I noticed two weeks later that I had zero feeling for this woman. I was completely numb regarding her. At 43 I also considered myself done with women.

A week later I went to my 25 year class reunion and just struck up a conversation with an old class mate that had come to the Seattle reunion from her current home in South Dakota. We talked a lot. She was a widow (first husband died in his late 20's and she was raising her three kids on her own, though she did marry a guy a couple of years before that dumped her by simply leaving and taking the furniture with him). I got her email address and thought we could chat via email. Well, 850 emails later and $3,500 in long distance calls later, she came back to Seattle about two months after the reunion. I proposed to her and we were married the next summer, but had to wait for the divorce to be final first.

We've been married almost 20 years now and it is absolute bliss, from day one. My ex has bounced between boyfriends and, interestingly, has settled with an old high school boyfriend. Apparently they fight a lot, which was one of our issues. That is, she fought, but I didn't. My parents didn't fight and hers fought a lot. And my current wife's parents didn't fight either. So you see the compatibility issues that existed and are now gone.

But the bottom line is that we are to not divorce the unbelieving spouse, but if they choose to go, we let them. This is what I did - or was forced to do.

I don't believe our sins "hurt" God, other than in the same way our poor choices hurt our parents. Rather, God's rules for us regarding sin are not to bring us into eternal life. Rather, they are similar to the rules our parents teach us. They are for our own good and ensure a happier and more joyful life.

And yes, the divorce left scars. One thing is that it caused me to read a LOT of books about relationships and abuse (my ex accused me of abuse when, as I learned from these books, she was actually projecting). My current wife has reaped the benefits of all that reading. We consider ourselves extremely blessed. We both still struggle through the ups and downs that life brings, but we strongly believe the old phrase, "what doesn't kill us makes us stronger."

And when people with a limited lay-person's perspective on the bible's perspective on divorce try to judge us, well, we see where they are coming from, but also understand the personality of the God of the bible.
And as the apostle Paul said, if you burn, get married. The reason he states is that if you don't get married you are exposing yourself to great temptation to sin.My wife and I both have strong libido's. To suggest that Paul's words don't apply if your wife divorced you and you are just stuck burning is kinda silly.
 
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the apostle Paul said, if you burn, get married. The reason he states is that if you don't get married you are exposing yourself to great temptation to sin.My wife and I both have strong libido's. To suggest that Paul's words don't apply if your wife divorced you and you are just stuck burning is kinda silly.
The church for the last 1800 years has taken a position that burning just means you are sinful. Purge yourself of your sin and you will not burn.

IOW they completely miss what Paul was trying to say: the sex drive is important. In a culture that idolized virginity, that makes no sense.
 
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The church for the last 1800 years has taken a position that burning just means you are sinful. Purge yourself of your sin and you will not burn.

IOW they completely miss what Paul was trying to say: the sex drive is important. In a culture that idolized virginity, that makes no sense.
I think that is one of the big misses of the church: Not understanding that sex is a real need, almost like food. The only difference between the two is that different people have different libidos. You wll not die if you starve yourself of sex, and you may not even miss it. But if you need both (if you burn), you starve yourself of either at your peril.

I'm sometimes appalled at how "respected" churches can so twist the plain meaning of the bible, both in the english translations and the original greek/hebrew. It is why I highly respect Christianity but don't offer that same respect to the various denominations. Any of them. Christianity is from God. Religion is man made.
 
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I'm sometimes appalled at how "respected" churches can so twist the plain meaning of the bible, both in the english translations and the original greek/hebrew. It is why I highly respect Christianity but don't offer that same respect to the various denominations. Any of them. Christianity is from God. Religion is man made.
I think the ancient Jews (from which Christianity sprang) had a much better handle on this issue that we do. They believed women to have the higher libido and that sex was a wife's RIGHT and a husband's RESPONSIBILITY. In fact that belief went so far as to become a standard line item in their 1st century marriage contracts (negotiated between the families somewhere between ages 9 and 12) to include a minimum amount of sex the wife was to expect, and it depended on his vocation. If he was unemployed, independently wealthy, or a merchant with little physical stress, it was daily.
 
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Hullo again,

Thanks for the many helpful replies.

As I am not from the US, I am wondering what sort of a profile Judith Brumbaugh has...

Is 'Restoration of the Family Inc.' well known?

Is the book in question well known?

Does she have a significant following following?

It is a pity Judith has not taken the opportunity to come on the forum and explain why she holds such beliefs.

It seems that if returning to a first spouse after a second marriage is strictly forbidden in Scripture (Thanks to Dave for this reference in Deut 24:3.) then her thesis claiming that the first 'one flesh' marriage covenant cant be broken by a subsequent relationship or marriage - as long as the original parties are still alive - must be false. Otherwise there would be no reason not to return to the first spouse. Does this make sense?

Many thanks for your kind thoughts about this important issue.

As it stands, Judith seems to equate a weak church with rampant contamination of marriage. Jesus however preferred the company of prostitutes and tax gatherers as they were easier to work with than those with self piety.
With the Woman at the well there was no rebuke for the 5 marriages He perceived she had had - Jesus accepted her as she was and passed on His message of Hope for her and her companions.
And the woman at the well - Jesus did not agree with the legalists who were technically correct - putting her under the Law, otherwise she would have been stoned. Rather He said - 'go and sin no more', this was an invitation for complete release from the sinful lifestyle and relationships she had adopted, conditional on obedience to Him. This is the Father heart.

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.
 
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I would tend to agree that this sounds cold and legalistic. Yes, divorce is to be avoided at all costs, but is there no compassion?

Are you saying that one can ignore what Jesus plainly said? In Matthew 19, Jesus says remarriage is adultery. The only exception is when the original marriage is unlawful, such as when first cousins marry.

However, the Catholic view says one must consider whether the marriage was put together with God's blessing or not. Did God join the couple together or was it put together merely by man? At the time of the the original wedding, were both spouses free to marry, that is, were they validly married to another before the wedding? In the the original marriage, were they married according to the requirements of their denomination or just by a justice of the peace? Was one of them unbaptized? Did one of them intend to never have children when they are of child bearing age and fertile? Had one of them been made infertile through surgery? Were both capable of freely consenting to the marriage? Severe immaturity, psychological impediments, coercion due to pregnancy, for purposes of immigration or health insurance are all examples of inadequate consent. At the time of the the original wedding, did both intend to be married permanently and exclusively? Were there secret vows in addition to the ones in the wedding vows? Did one of the spouses withhold information that would have changed the decision to marry?

These examples and other factors are taken into consideration when deciding if the original marriage was joined by God or not. That decision must be made by impartial judges, because it is all too easy to rationalize our behavior. When you consider that Scripture clearly says that serious sin will be punished with eternal hell fire, it is not a decision to take lightly.
 
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Are you saying that one can ignore what Jesus plainly said? In Matthew 19, Jesus says remarriage is adultery. The only exception is when the original marriage is unlawful, such as when first cousins marry.

However, the Catholic view says one must consider whether the marriage was put together with God's blessing or not. Did God join the couple together or was it put together merely by man? At the time of the the original wedding, were both spouses free to marry, that is, were they validly married to another before the wedding? In the the original marriage, were they married according to the requirements of their denomination or just by a justice of the peace? Was one of them unbaptized? Did one of them intend to never have children when they are of child bearing age and fertile? Had one of them been made infertile through surgery? Were both capable of freely consenting to the marriage? Severe immaturity, psychological impediments, coercion due to pregnancy, for purposes of immigration or health insurance are all examples of inadequate consent. At the time of the the original wedding, did both intend to be married permanently and exclusively? Were there secret vows in addition to the ones in the wedding vows? Did one of the spouses withhold information that would have changed the decision to marry?

These examples and other factors are taken into consideration when deciding if the original marriage was joined by God or not. That decision must be made by impartial judges, because it is all too easy to rationalize our behavior. When you consider that Scripture clearly says that serious sin will be punished with eternal hell fire, it is not a decision to take lightly.
This may help:
7. The Teaching of Jesus on Divorce — (Matthew 19:3-12, Mark 10:2-12)

Fortunately, Jesus became flesh, partly so that we have the confidence that he has experienced, directly, the human experience. The God of Christianity is not a God of a bunch of "do this or else" rules as is the case with Islam and Mormonism. It is very much a "spirit of the law" teaching.
 
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Dear Friends,

I need to relate a recent experience that has drawn my attention to an increasing polarisation of perspective among followers of Christ.

It seems as time rolls on and the hour is late, the battle for truth rages all the more, and all too often from those within the ‘Christian community’.

Here is what happened.

Recently a close friend with which my wife and I fellowship, saw a posting on Facebook. My wife had posted a lovely photo of our wedding 33 years ago as we were celebrating the occasion of our wedding anniversary.

Well, we got a face book message from the friend on the anniversary day and she requested we read a certain book by Judith Brumbaugh and proceeded to ask if my former spouse who filed for separation 43 years ago was in fact still alive.

This was somewhat of a shock and our friend was so animated about it that we had to ask her to give us some space to enjoy the day – we later agreed to look at the book and feed back about it’s content.

A short while later the book was delivered and I took the time to consider it’s content seriously.

Judith heads up the ‘Restoration of the Family Inc.’ in Florida and is passionate about the destructive nature of divorce and it’s effect on the Christian Church.

Looking first at the title - “Finding Loopholes in the Bible on Divorce and ‘Remarriage’ is like Riding a Bike to Jamaica” - with a picture of a cyclist about to be taken out by a large wave - It was clear that the author intended to judge readers who failed to agree with her ‘biblical’ viewpoint and leave no room for contrary opinions.

In the introduction she insisted that the position to agree to disagree was untenable. Her thesis presented a position that claimed to be God’s final word on the subject. Disagreement was out of the question.

At this point I started to feel rather uneasy – when Jesus walked with the disciples after the resurrection, they felt strangely warm – well I felt strangely cold.

Further my understanding of how the Holy Spirit operated was that when He presents a message, the hearer always has the choice to accept or decline, in other words He never over-rides free will.

I was beginning then to doubt that the Spirit behind this message was truly Holy.

The reader was not given the option to disagree with the author and this set a tone of judgement throughout the whole book.

It may be her theology is so extreme because she seemed to adopt the position that the Scripture was not only divinely inspired but was also the ‘Total Word of God”.

If she then presented a consistent summary of a topic within scripture then that had to be ‘God’s Word’. Arguments challenging her position then, were considered to be an expression of rebellion.

She also gave special weight to a single English translation dating back to 1611. Sad that only English readers can really hear what God is saying???

The Word of God is a title that Jesus reserved for Himself. His word goes forth from eternity to eternity, He says ‘My sheep hear My voice.’ This voice is to be our teacher – this is very clearly recorded in 1 John 20-29.

To elevate some human word or interpretation above this sacred gift in the believer is at best, out of order, and can lead to bondage.

The scripture then, is a sacred tool which when combined with His Word brings life, but without the Holy Spirit it is deadly. The scripture say this of itself in 2 Cor 3:6.

The scripture is not exhaustive in all matters of life and faith – But the scripture is sufficient in all matters of life and faith if combined with His Word. He promises to give us wisdom for life if we ask Jam1: 5 and we will hear a voice behind us saying ‘this is the way – walk in it’ Is 30:20-21 This is direct communication with Him.

Judith is on a crusade to strengthen Christian families and this is a noble aspiration, but to present a theology to bolster her efforts is the last thing the body of Christ needs.

A disempowered Church needs to return to ‘First Love’, repent, and do again the deeds done at first – recorded in detail in the early chapters of Acts.

From this, ministries will emerge that will deal with any binding issues individuals might have from the past.

God’s solution is always more Love not more rules.

Her theory goes like this - a first marriage, (in my case to an unbeliever) is binding for life because it is a ‘one flesh’ union that supposedly cannot be broken.

In my case my spouse was looking for another man within six months of the marriage and eventually ended up living with my best friend. I experienced a prodigal’s return to faith and she then proceeded to file for separation and the marriage was legally dissolved. I was careful not to assist the divorce process, and there was nothing I could do to prevent it.

After this I was single for eleven years before divine circumstances led me to my present wife Sandi who is a deeply committed life partner in His work.

Judith insists that I was required to be single for life and my present marriage was born in sin.

I have 5 children ranging form 32 to 17 and I guess they should also be considered illegitimate.

Can I warn folks not to be beholden to this extreme teaching?

There are several references in scripture that refer to covenant being breakable through unfaithfulness.

Vows can be broken by the unfaithful and the believer is no longer bound.

We are told we will have many teachers but few Fathers. I think a father ministry better addresses this delicate issue.

1 Cor 7:27-28 clearly states that a marriage following being released from a wife is not sinful. This follows the reference in verse 15 that states that the believing partner is not bound to an unfaithful wife who divorces.

We are warned against being ‘one flesh’ with a prostitute; this being the case the ‘one flesh’ state is certainly not a matter of God’s binding ordinance till death.

Romans 7:6 was a scripture she didn’t quote – Paul tells us in this verse we are released from the law, having died to that to which we were bound, so that we serve in the newness of the Spirit and not the oldness of the letter.

All the clever technical argument presented has no weight without the Holy Spirit. It may hold together well, but lacks authority at the hub.

I note that in the scheme of things those with authority are rarely teachers or scribes. Most in the New Testament who were associated with His power and authority were simple folk characterised by obedience and love.

I am convinced that God does not discriminate against the simple by making the scripture hard to understand. When the Spirit assists with understanding revelation flows regardless of our mental capacity.

If we need a PhD. to follow a scriptural argument then something is wrong.

In many cases the intellectual folk have a harder time receiving from Him as they are more likely to struggle with the challenge intellectual humility.

For this reason I studied the Scripture constantly for more than 5 years without any reference to other books or teaching. I knew that His revelation knowledge was a jewel to be sought above all else.

Sandi and I were married by a humble intellectual giant, then Principal of the Bible College of New Zealand - Rev. Dr. David Stewart MBE with much love and grace.

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.

It was done, your second marriage. Even if the woman on FB thinks it's wrong, how can it be undone without more wrong? Why would your very anniversary day be an appropriate time to bring this up? It seems a lot of judgment with no mercy. I might have the wrong of it, but that's just how it seems to me.
 
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