Sacrifice and Catholic teaching

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The Orthodox Faith understands that we eat the Whole Body of our Lord in ANY amount of the Communion Gifts we receive, however small... For the whole is present in all the parts...

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All right, but before we go off course, what the Eastern Orthodox churches teach wasn't in question.
 
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That's speculative. Nothing's ruled out.
Even if you torture that Bible passage in order to come up with such an interpretation, nothing is ruled in, either. And that's exactly the same with the verse that is most often cited in support of Holy Tradition in which it says to hold fast to the traditions (not the "Holy Tradition" theory, note) that you/they have received.

In neither case is anything else authorized, yet the RCC requires such under pain of mortal sin; and in neither case is there even a hint of what any "other" information or instruction might be, but the Church created some on its own.
 
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The human being Paul wrote most of the Epistles... Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, all human beings, wrote the Gospels, John, an old man, wrote Revelation, and Peter, another of your scorned humans, wrote a few Epistles... Not to mention James (Iakovos), who wrote one of the Epistles... He was also human... Their essential thing in common is that all of them were Holy Men of God... For of such is all Scripture written... And their existence was not exterminated upon the completion of the Book of Revelation...

This Faith of God is passed on from generation to generation...

Do you call the Mother of Christ Blessed?

Arsenios

The 66 Books of the Holy Bible, and ONLY those that are the Word of Almighty God, and the Old and New Testament Canons are CLOSED. The RC and others, like to insist that the Bible alone is not enough, so that when they get some crazy idea, like Mary not dying, and being taken up to heaven, which Scripture says nothing about, and the "pope" being "infallible", they issue their own "statements" which they claim has divine authority and sanction! ANYTHING that is outside what the 66 Books contains, are NOT the Inspired Word of God, and must be rejected as the works of the devil!
 
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There is an element of truth in that statement, however the Catholic churches which use Tradition (RC, EO, and others) assert that the Tradition they adhere to is not just the customary or historic way of reading the Bible, but that there is a second and equal stream of divine revelation next to the Scriptures which God has given for our guidance, and that it is to be found in the consensus of opinion in the church from the beginning of the church forwards.

There is no Scriptural warrant for that notion, and the doctrines that are supposedly based on such Tradition cannot be shown, from history, actually have been part of the church's thinking from the beginning.
So God finally got His Bible, which He Himself wrote not by human hand, printed in Guttenburg some one thousand and five hundred years after Christ died and arose the third day, and then and ONLY the??

And ALL the Churches founded by the Apostles for the previous 1500 years after the Incarnation of Christ are now proven WRONG in all their teachings?

And that what God REALLY intended was for each of us to have his very own PRINTED Bible for his own personal and private Biblical interpretation?

Dontcha think that kinda stretches matters just a tad??

Jes' sayin'.... :)

Arsenios
 
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And ALL the Churches founded by the Apostles for the previous 1500 years after the Incarnation of Christ are now proven WRONG in all their teachings?

And that what God REALLY intended was for each of us to have his very own PRINTED Bible for his own personal and private Biblical interpretation?

Dontcha think that kinda stretches matters just a tad??

It certainly does. That's the nature of sarcasm, isn't it--to mischaracterize the facts in order to be funny or dismissive??
 
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It shows that even Luther can get his theology wrong!
The other three fingers of your hand,
other than your finger of accusation against Luther,
are pointed straight back at your very SELF, my Brother...

Which actually proves that not only Luther, but even YOU, can get YOUR Theology absolutely wrong...

Or, as my old Latin professor used to say:

QUID, ERAT, SPLAT!

:)

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The other three fingers of your hand,
other than your finger of accusation against Luther,
are pointed straight back at your very SELF, my Brother...

Which actually proves that not only Luther, but even YOU, can get YOUR Theology absolutely wrong...

Or, as my old Latin professor used to say:

QUID, ERAT, SPLAT!

:)

Arsenios

then keep with your "extra biblical" stuff, which is no NO value before the God of the Bible, because He did NOT write any of it!
 
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No, there isn't.
Sure there is. I listed several practical areas where Tradition fills in the missing piece.
Of course, but that doesn't mean humans are at liberty to invent their own teachings. And, as noted already, what is NOT recorded is not to be required of us--but that is exactly what the "Holy Tradition" churches do.
So, going by Scripture alone, is baptism necessary for salvation, is Christ really present in the Eucharist, is infant baptism valid, is "sacramentology" valid, veneration of Mary?
 
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the burden of proof is on those who claim these for Mary! The Bible says nothing of these things!
He wrote as the basis for his question:

She, like all the others who have died in Jesus Christ, is dead,
and in heaven, but cannot communicate with any living person.
She is NOT "omnipresent", which belongs ONLY to God!


So if one insists on Biblical Proof for all of one's Christian beliefs, then one cannot form any other basis for an objection.... The above has no Biblical basis, you see...

The Christian Faith Community of the first fifteen hundred years of Christianity, without any exception, including Luther, believed as you do not believe... And I might add that this is the Faith community that actually RECORDED AND RETAINED the Bible you so eagerly try to divorce them from...

So IF you disagree with your brother about the meaning of some passage in the Bible, to WHAT to you appeal for agreement??

Arsenios
 
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The 66 Books of the Holy Bible, and ONLY those that are the Word of Almighty God, and the Old and New Testament Canons are CLOSED.

Yes, they are - The Church, the Body of Christ Who is Her Head, closed them in the 4th Century...
And then...
We preserved them for the Guttenburg printing presses...
So you could have your very own copy...

ANYTHING that is outside what the 66 Books contains, are NOT the Inspired Word of God, and must be rejected as the works of the devil!

Please show me the scripture that states this...

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then keep with your "extra biblical" stuff, which is no NO value before the God of the Bible, because He did NOT write any of it!
Human beings wrote the bible...
God etched the lifeless stones...

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so, I take it from your response, there are NO Scripture references to these outlandish teachings?
I see from your response that you want to ignore everything that I have said relevant to the topic of the thread.
Here's returning the favor.

Bye bye
 
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then keep with your "extra biblical" stuff, which is no NO value before the God of the Bible, because He did NOT write any of it!
Those three fingers are your confession, my Brother...
AND
They are your accusers...

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I see from your response that you want to ignore everything that I have said relevant to the topic of the thread.
Here's returning the favor.

Bye bye
Things around here ARE getting a tad puerile and snotty...

Internetization of the Human Spirit, I should think...

Arsenios
 
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then keep with your "extra biblical" stuff, which is of NO value before the God of the Bible, because He did NOT write any of it!
Will you please pray for me, the wretched sinner, my Brother?
For...
"He hath remembered that we are dust..."

Arsenios
 
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Yes, they are - The Church, the Body of Christ Who is Her Head, closed them in the 4th Century...
And then...
We preserved them for the Guttenburg printing presses...
So you could have your very own copy...



Please show me the scripture that states this...

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"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16). ONLY All Scripture, the 66 Books, are Inspired by God the Holy Spirit. Unless you are saying that works outside of "Scripture" are also Inspired?
 
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Will you please pray for me, the wretched sinner, my Brother?
For...
"He hath remembered that we are dust..."

Arsenios

Indeed! that the Holy Spirit opens your eyes (and mine) to Bible Truth ONLY!
 
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