There are two millennial reigns, one past, one future....

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Enoch 6:6 Therefore your days shall you curse, and the years of your lives shall perish; perpetual execration shall be multiplied, and you shall not obtain mercy.

What Millennium in Enoch 6:6?

This comparison graph is bogus. There is only one Mill. And it's in the NT.


There are two millennial reigns, one past, one future....

 
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Enoch 6:6 Therefore your days shall you curse, and the years of your lives shall perish; perpetual execration shall be multiplied, and you shall not obtain mercy.

What Millennium in Enoch 6:6?

This comparison graph is bogus. There is only one Mill. And it's in the NT.
Its at the beginning of the chapter, not verse 6 per se. It began in the days of Jared and continued until the flood. Here's the link:The Book of Enoch, Translated by Robert H. Charles, 1912.
 
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Its at the beginning of the chapter, not verse 6 per say. It began in the days of Jared and continued until the flood.

Still nothing:


Chapter 6

1They consider how the trees, when they put forth their green leaves, become covered, and produce fruit; understanding everything, and knowing that He who lives for ever does all these things for you:

2That the works at the beginning of every existing year, that all his works, are subservient to him, and invariable; yet as God has appointed, so are all things brought to pass.

3They see, too, how the seas and the rivers together complete their respective operations:

4But you endure not patiently, nor fulfill the commandments of the Lord; but you transgress and calumniate his greatness; and malignant are the words in your polluted mouths against his Majesty.

5You withered in heart, no peace shall be to you!

6Therefore your days shall you curse, and the years of your lives shall perish; perpetual execration shall be multiplied, and you shall not obtain mercy.
 
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Still nothing:


Chapter 6

1They consider how the trees, when they put forth their green leaves, become covered, and produce fruit; understanding everything, and knowing that He who lives for ever does all these things for you:

2That the works at the beginning of every existing year, that all his works, are subservient to him, and invariable; yet as God has appointed, so are all things brought to pass.

3They see, too, how the seas and the rivers together complete their respective operations:

4But you endure not patiently, nor fulfill the commandments of the Lord; but you transgress and calumniate his greatness; and malignant are the words in your polluted mouths against his Majesty.

5You withered in heart, no peace shall be to you!

6Therefore your days shall you curse, and the years of your lives shall perish; perpetual execration shall be multiplied, and you shall not obtain mercy.
Who is "Apostle Arne Horn"? That is the version you're quoting and it is terrible. I gave you the link in the last post.
 
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There is no mention of a thousand year period in the entire book of Enoch.

This is why it's important to fact check these dumb graph like things because they often have made up "facts".
 
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Who is "Apostle Arne Horn"? That is the version you're quoting and it is terrible. I gave you the link in the last post.


There is nothing about a Millennium/thousand years in the link you gave either:


6 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplieda that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: "Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children."

3And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: "I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin."

4And they all answered him and said: "Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing."

5Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 6And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.

7And these are the names of their leaders: Samiazaz, their leader, Arakiba, Rameel, Kokabiel, Tamiel, Ramiel, Danel, ezeqeel, Baraqijal, Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaqiel, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. {Top}
 
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Enoch 6:6 Therefore your days shall you curse, and the years of your lives shall perish; perpetual execration shall be multiplied, and you shall not obtain mercy.

What Millennium in Enoch 6:6?

This comparison graph is bogus. There is only one Mill. And it's in the NT.
I apologize. Now I see why you mentioned 6:6 at the outset, its from my chart. But then you quoted Arne Horn and that threw me off. You are right, in Arne Horn's Enoch there is no mention of the time when the Watchers fell. In 6:6 in R. H. Charles, it mentions the Watchers fell in the days of Jared.
 
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I apologize. Now I see why you mentioned 6:6 at the outset, its from my chart. But then you quoted Arne Horn and you are right. In Arne Horn's Enoch there is no mention of the time when the Watchers fell. In 6:6 in R. H. Charles, it mentions the Watchers fell in the days of Jared.

We aren't talking about anyone falling. The graph claims there is a Millennium mentioned in the book of Enoch and cites 6:6. I went to your link and nothing is in 6:6 about a Millennium. Nothing in the book of Enoch I have on my computer has anything about a Millennium there either. I am trying to find out why the graphic makes that claim.
 
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I do not need the Bible to use the word Trinity to believe the Bible teaches the idea of the Trinity. I do not need Enoch to use the word Millennium to believe Enoch teaches the idea of a millennium during which the crisis it describes occurred.
 
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There are two millennial reigns, one past, one future....

Most interesting.
And Mount Hermon is Mount Zion in the North, the highest point in Israel.
Enoch said they called it Mount Hermon because of the oath/curse the watchers took to forsake their own heavenly estate and take daughters of Adam for wives and beget offspring by them.
 
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I do not need the Bible to use the word Trinity to believe the Bible teaches the idea of the Trinity. I do not need Enoch to use the word Millennium to believe Enoch teaches the idea of a millennium during which the crisis it describes occurred.


Fair enough but isn't it also fair to ask where such a concept is found in Enoch? Also, since you agree Enoch 6:6 does not contain the evidence perhaps the graphic should be edited?
 
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There are two millennial reigns, one past, one future....

Genesis 5:21-27 said:
²¹When Enoch had lived 65 years, he fathered Methuselah. ²²Enoch walked with God after he fathered Methuselah 300 years and had other sons and daughters. ²³Thus all the days of Enoch were 365 years. ²⁴Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.

²⁵When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he fathered Lamech. ²⁶Methuselah lived after he fathered Lamech 782 years and had other sons and daughters. ²⁷Thus all the days of Methuselah were 969 years, and he died.

The years of Enoch plus his son Methuselah (who died the year of the flood) is 1034 and the first 800 years of this was in the time of Jared (Enoch's father). Is this your proposed ancient millennial reign period? It feels a little like shooting an arrow and drawing a target around where it lands.

What I find odd about the book of Enoch is that the math doesn't quite add up. He supposedly passed the book down to his grandson Noah (ch 68) and the book itself speaks of warning Noah of the flood (Ch 10) but Enoch was already taken up well before Noah came into the picture. So the timeline seems off unless the suggestion is Enoch continued to revisit the Earth.
 
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The years of Enoch plus his son Methuselah (who died the year of the flood) is 1034 and the first 800 years of this was in the time of Jared (Enoch's father). Is this your proposed ancient millennial reign period? It feels a little like shooting an arrow and drawing a target around where it lands.

What I find odd about the book of Enoch is that the math doesn't quite add up. He supposedly passed the book down to his grandson Noah (ch 68) and the book itself speaks of warning Noah of the flood (Ch 10) but Enoch was already taken up well before Noah came into the picture. So the timeline seems off unless the suggestion is Enoch continued to revisit the Earth.
Correct. Twice. And during the days he was on earth, he visited twice to heaven. If we count his being taken as a third does this infer a yet-future third visit to earth? Perhaps one of the two witnesses? Just speculating.
 
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Correct. Twice. And during the days he was on earth, he visited twice to heaven. If we count his being taken as a third does this infer a yet-future third visit to earth? Perhaps one of the two witnesses? Just speculating.

did the birth of enoch then usher in this proposed millennial reign?
 
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Most interesting.
And Mount Hermon is Mount Zion in the North, the highest point in Israel.
Enoch said they called it Mount Hermon because of the oath/curse the watchers took to forsake their own heavenly estate and take daughters of Adam for wives and beget offspring by them.
That would mean that parallel is exact.
 
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did the birth of enoch then usher in this proposed millennial reign?
According to Enoch’s book the descent of the Watchers occurred “in the days of Jared.” Referring to the genealogy included in chapter 5 of the Book of Genesis, Jared was born about 1,194 years before the flood, and his son, Enoch, was born about 1,033 years before the flood. If we assume the fall of the Watchers in “the days of Jared” refers to the period after Jared’s birth but before the life of Enoch, this would mean the descent of the Watchers occurred sometime between 1,194 and 1,033 years before the flood. This means the domination and rule of the Watchers and their children in the realm of humankind would have lasted for at least 1,000 years. Given the difference in calendars used between then and now, that kind of closeness makes it pretty much a bullseye as far as I'm concerned.
 
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