The Psychology of the Devil.

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yeshuaslavejeff said:

This old heresy again? From centuries ago, disproven then, and always (forever) , as it is directly contrary to Scripture.
Anyone remember the name it was called at first ? (centuries ago)....

Curious almost (no answer needed), but why would anyone choose to believe this heresy? Is there something else with it that makes it attractive to the carnal flesh ?

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Can you explain?

he-man said:

forum fules prohibit attacking someone or being disrespectful of others keeping their posts friendly to exhibit the love of Christ. Last warning!

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He said nothing about you.
Note that heresy is the topic addressed.(and called hogwash)
Jesus has nothing good to say about heresy, does He ?

Robban said:

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Can you explain?

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WHen heresies* are popular (in the world), (and even if they are not known nor popular), they often come back again and again and again, like this one. (who knows why? <shrugs> YHWH KNOWS, and YHWH exposes them each time)....

*(Arianism, or similar).

yeshuaslavejeff said:

He said nothing about you.
Note that heresy is the topic addressed.(and called hogwash)
Jesus has nothing good to say about heresy, does He ?

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What is heresy?

Is it not intentionly misleading others?

For one to have something wrong is simply,
to have it wrong.

Or what?

Robban said:

What is heresy?

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A heresy is a teaching that deviates from the truth of biblical revelation. It is a false teaching.
It makes no difference if anyone believes it or not,
nor if someone is trying to teach it to others of not.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

A heresy is a teaching that deviates from the truth of biblical revelation. It is a false teaching.
It makes no difference if anyone believes it or not,
nor if someone is trying to teach it to others of not.

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Before they burnt so called heretics at the stake.

How about,

Psalms 40:7,
"You desired neither sacrifice nor meal- offering,
But (obidient) ears You opened for me;
You requested neither burnt-offering nor sin-offering."

(He desires no sacrifices only that we listen to His voice)

Or how about,
Psalms 2:6-7,

6,"It is I who have anointed My King upon Zion,
My Holy mountain.
7, I am obliged to declare;
The Lord said to me;
"You are My son, I have this day begotten you"

This referring to the day David was crowned.

"The Lord said to me"
through Nathan, Gad and Samuel.

"You are my son"
The head over Israel, who are called "My firstborn."

So what revelations do you mean?

Dan Brooks said:

Could you just spell out to us what you believe about Jesus plainly? Because you seem to be all over the place. One time you say He didn't exist until He was born, and now you're quoting Scripture to show He is the Creator. (which is true). But it makes it kind of confusing as to where you stand on the issue.

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I said all things were created on accout of him and for him and that the only way he existed was as a part of God's plan. Jesus did not pre-exist physically. Are you Gnostic?

Robban said:

Before they burnt so called heretics at the stake.

How about,

Psalms 40:7,
"You desired neither sacrifice nor meal- offering,
But (obidient) ears You opened for me;
You requested neither burnt-offering nor sin-offering."

(He desires no sacrifices only that we listen to His voice)

Or how about,
Psalms 2:6-7,

6,"It is I who have anointed My King upon Zion,
My Holy mountain.
7, I am obliged to declare;
The Lord said to me;
"You are My son, I have this day begotten you"

This referring to the day David was crowned.

"The Lord said to me"
through Nathan, Gad and Samuel.

"You are my son"
The head over Israel, who are called "My firstborn."

So what revelations do you mean?

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Right, I guess he didn't know Matthew 12:7; Hosea 6:6 had you have known this you would not have murdered Christ

Dan Brooks said:

I never said He pre-existed physically. In fact, I said He didn't pre-exist as a man on earth. He pre-existed as the word of God, being God from all eternity. It seems as though you're misreading these posts and Scripture as well.

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No he did not and is not and was not God. "I cannot do all things only All things my Father has given me." 1 Corinthians 15:28; John 10:29: John 12:49

MehGuy said:

Fine and all, just wonder why he allowed D/s feelings to be universally adaptable.

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You're misapplying this to God. God isn't carnal and He doesn't have those kinds of desires; He is holy:

1 John 1:5

this is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all

He is perfect and He doesn't need anything. He didn't need to create us, and He doesn't need us to worship Him to feel fulfilled.

He created us not out of need but out of love. He doesn't desire to dominate us, He wants us to have a loving relationship with Him based in purity and truth and to share in His eternity.

MehGuy said:

Occasionally I hear the phrase "drunkenness in the spirit" which I think describes common symptoms of D/s experiences quite well. There is certainly a feeling of being drunk. Growing up I've heard stories of people who were so sloshed up in spiritual feelings of worship/submission that they actually had to be driven home by someone else for their own safety because they were so out of it. Same thing with instances of fainting and even incoherent speech (remember a few of those at church) Same thing happens in BDSM circles too.

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I won't discount that some people become overwhelmed by Gods presence, but that isn't why we worship God. It is not based on feelings or lusts, it is based on Gods character; who He is. We worship Him because He is the ultimate source of all truth and goodness, because He is righteous and holy. We worship Him because He gave His only begotten Son so that we could be forgiven for our sins and have eternal life. We worship Him because He is worthy of our worship.

This is what we were created for, to know and love God, to enjoy Him forever.

thesunisout said:

You're misapplying this to God. God isn't carnal and He doesn't have those kinds of desires; He is holy:

1 John 1:5

this is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all

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Not sure I understand. Doesn't God want us to worship him? He certainly doesn't view us as equals to him. You don't have to classify that as darkness or anything.

He is perfect and He doesn't need anything. He didn't need to create us, and He doesn't need us to worship Him to feel fulfilled.

He created us not out of need but out of love. He doesn't desire to dominate us, He wants us to have a loving relationship with Him based in purity and truth and to share in His eternity.

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You can mix D/s with love.

The thing is, if God created us. Why did he create D/s feelings? Or is that the fault of snakey?

I won't discount that some people become overwhelmed by Gods presence, but that isn't why we worship God. It is not based on feelings or lusts, it is based on Gods character; who He is. We worship Him because He is the ultimate source of all truth and goodness, because He is righteous and holy. We worship Him because He gave His only begotten Son so that we could be forgiven for our sins and have eternal life. We worship Him because He is worthy of our worship.

This is what we were created for, to know and love God, to enjoy Him forever.

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Even if one has the best intentions, I still don't see how D/s psychological effects won't come into play.

MehGuy said:

Not sure I understand. Doesn't God want us to worship him? He certainly doesn't view us as equals to him. You don't have to classify that as darkness or anything.

You can mix D/s with love.

The thing is, if God created us. Why did he create D/s feelings? Or is that the fault of snakey?

Even if one has the best intentions, I still don't see how D/s psychological effects won't come into play.

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Before I answer, what is your basic theory about all of this? I would like to better understand what you're talking about here.

thesunisout said:

Before I answer, what is your basic theory about all of this? I would like to better understand what you're talking about here.

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Not sure what you mean by basic theory,

Other than when it comes to evolved human psychology of human relationships the themes of d/s and s/m seem to be pretty universal and important, and that it's understandable that religion/spirituality would tap into these feelings.

If you want more in depth information regarding this topic there are plenty of books regarding s/m (often mixing in with d/s) Christian psychology out there. Google has previews and sometimes whole books that you can search for on their website. While I don't agree with all of them, there is some pretty intelligent commentary to be had there.

MehGuy said:

Not sure what you mean by basic theory,

Other than when it comes to evolved human psychology of human relationships the themes of d/s and s/m seem to be pretty universal and important, and that it's understandable that religion/spirituality would tap into these feelings.

If you want more in depth information regarding this topic there are plenty of books regarding s/m (often mixing in with d/s) Christian psychology out there. Google has previews and sometimes whole books that you can search for on their website. While I don't agree with all of them, there is some pretty intelligent commentary to be had there.

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God is the head of Christ 1 Corinthians 11:3

thesunisout said:

Before I answer, what is your basic theory about all of this? I would like to better understand what you're talking about here.

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2 Corinthian 4:4 In whom the God of this world hath blinded the minds of them which beleive not, lest the light or the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
But it is needless to multipy examples; they exist in abndance. Some, and particularly the ancient fathers, have connected του αιωνος τουτου with των αττιστων and have read the verse: But GOD hath blinded the minds of the unbelievers of this world, etc. Irenaeus, Tertullian, Chrysostom, Theodoret, Photius, Theophylact, and Augustine all plead for the above meaning; and St. Augustine says that it was the opinion of almost all the ncients. [Adam Clark]

thesunisout said:

Before I answer, what is your basic theory about all of this? I would like to better understand what you're talking about here.

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2 Corinthian 4:4 In whom the God of this world hath blinded the minds of them which beleive not, lest the light or the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
But it is needless to multipy examples; they exist in abundance. Some, and particularly the ancient fathers, have connected του αιωνος τουτου with των αττιστων and have read the verse: But GOD hath blinded the minds of the unbelievers of this world, etc. Irenaeus, Tertullian, Chrysostom, Theodoret, Photius, Theophylact, and Augustine all plead for the above meaning; and St. Augustine says that it was the opinion of almost all the ancients. [Adam Clark]

Dan Brooks said:

The Bible says He was and is God, all over the place. So you're disagreeing with the Bible, not me.

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1 Corinthians 11:3 Christ is head of men and God the head of Christ...so the Bible is the one that is correct not you.