Children Committing Suicide

I think its a hard issue to discuss to some degree because people have varied views about it.

For example the I was raised with when it comes to death and children, where they go depends on the "age of accountability". Problem is no one can agree on what exactly that age is. Is it 18? Is it 8? If its 8 does that mean a 9 year old would go to hell? I guess the only safe thing to tell people would be just make sure a child doesn't commit suicide so they don't have to find out the answer when they die.

But that aside I do believe suicide is a hell bound thing. I seen (not fully) a video of a girl who hung herself (maybe around 11 or 12) and she blamed herself for the abuse she was getting from her father. Said she was without hope and its her own fault. I cried as she cried. So many things went through my head from wanting to help her, to giving her hope...etc. Then of course the thought of "My poor girl do not do this, I know things feel like hell currently but there is always another way our not involving suicide! Where you go after this is not worth it dear!".

But obviously she hung herself anyways. I can only pray she wasn't at the "age" of accountability yet. Only God knows. Though even being so if she was saved I still believe suicide still sends you to hell.

RaymondG said:

It would not be fruitful to continue this conversation. I dont feel lead to impose knowledge on you. Continue in the ways that seems right to you...until God shows you something different.

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You make me laugh ..you think God is going to show me some better way then The Gospel of Jesus Christ?
Which God are You referring to then ?

JCFantasy23 said:

Agreed

I believe in the age of accountability in regard to children with all things, but I also believe in God looking at and judging the persons heart and faith. When an adult - or child - snaps sometimes, if they are not in their right mind and out of control with their behavior because of no fault of their own, I would think that would be taken into consideration. Trauma, chemical imbalance overload, tragedy - it may ruin a mind but it doesn't erase years of faith, service and love. If courts would not hold a person legally competent, even man realizes this.

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Something I keep in mind with questions like this: God is not a disinterested, non-biased judge. God's bias is toward everyone's salvation (1 Timothy 2).

God is biased toward salvation. Christ went to a hell of a lot of trouble to make salvation possible (and I use that phrase deliberately). I'm not going Universalist here, I'm saying that as far as God is concerned, if anyone is not saved, it won't by His intention. It's not like an insurance contract where God says, "...you didn't read the fine print." That's the kind of thing Satan would do.

I believe that if a person would be saved, but was prevented by Satan's influence in the world from having a cognitive opportunity to know of God, God knows that.

Lybrah said:

I pretty much believe that most suicides go to hell. But when I hear of children--tweens and teens, committing suicide, it's even more sad, imagining a kid in hell. What do you think on this issue? Sad because they think they're ending their pain, but their pain ends up becoming magnified by 1 million for eternity...

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Well there is no answer whatsoever in scripture. None.

You should just harden your heart and feel nothing. Don't even mourn for them. Be as ice.

Adstar said:

I believe that if a person Believes Jesus and trusts 100% in the atonement He secured for the forgiveness of their sins,, They will be forgiven all their sins and they shall have eternal life with God in His perfect existence...

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Most children are brainwashed into atheist socialism in school. They are in Hell then...

OldWiseGuy said:

No one has been judged yet. That's for a time in the future.

Those kids will come up in the second resurrection during the millennial rule of Christ, and be given God's spirit. All will be ok.

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Unless it isn't ok.

RDKirk said:

Something I keep in mind with questions like this: God is not a disinterested, non-biased judge. God's bias is toward everyone's salvation (1 Timothy 2).

God is biased toward salvation. Christ went to a hell of a lot of trouble to make salvation possible (and I use that phrase deliberately). I'm not going Universalist here, I'm saying that as far as God is concerned, if anyone is not saved, it won't by His intention. It's not like an insurance contract where God says, "...you didn't read the fine print." That's the kind of thing Satan would do.

I believe that if a person would be saved, but was prevented by Satan's influence in the world from having a cognitive opportunity to know of God, God knows that.

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That might make you feel good to write but if scripture does not specifically indicate a special provision then we can't pretend that there is one.

God is a detached and disinterested game master who simply sits back and watches to see who will win. Christ altered the rules of the game somewhat but everyone is still entirely on their own.

Those babies were too weak....now they lose. It's sad but there is no point in having feelings.

DarkSoul999 said:

That might make you feel good to write but if scripture does not specifically indicate a special provision then we can't pretend that there is one.

God is a detached and disinterested game master who simply sits back and watches to see who will win. Christ altered the rules of the game somewhat but everyone is still entirely on their own.

Those babies were too weak....now they lose. It's sad but there is no point in having feelings.

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God left us with his law, his Spirit, and his promise. He isn't going to then micromanage our lives for us.

OldWiseGuy said:

God left us with his law, his Spirit, and his promise. He isn't going to then micromanage our lives for us.

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That is exactly correct. This is why all people should purge themselves of emotion. Feelings lead to nothing but catastrophe. Those children would still be alive if they didn't have the turmoil that comes with emotion.

We should be cold ascetic followers of the law. Failure or weakness of any kind should be met with extreme discipline.

Lybrah said:

..tweens and teens, committing suicide, it's even more sad,..What do you think on this issue?...

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Adolescent suicides are so heart-breaking, I honestly can't fathom the issue of their after lives (especially continued suffering).
I hope & pray it's peaceful. Ultimately, it's in God's hands.

DarkSoul999 said:

That might make you feel good to write but if scripture does not specifically indicate a special provision then we can't pretend that there is one.

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That's the entire point of the book of Jonah--God was unwilling to destroy the Ninevites specifically--the reason He gave, that they were ignorant--before they'd gotten a witness of Him.

Paul points out that the reason men are not innocent is specifically because they refuse to acknowledge God as witnessed by His creation--because they reject knowledge, not because they are ignorant..

Jesus explicitly said, "If you were blind, you would be innocent, but because you say, 'We see' your guilt remains."

So actually, there is quite a bit of scripture indicating that God takes a person's knowledge of Him into consideration in His judgment.

God is a detached and disinterested game master who simply sits back and watches to see who will win. Christ altered the rules of the game somewhat but everyone is still entirely on their own.

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That is a slander against the Lord.

But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. -- John 14

And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age. -- Matthew 28

And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. -- Romans 8

Casting all your anxieties on him, because he cares for you. -- 1 Peter 5

... he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” So we can confidently say, “The Lord is my helper; I will not fear; what can man do to me?” -- Hebrews 13

You're preaching Deism, not Christianity.

Those babies were too weak....now they lose. It's sad but there is no point in having feelings.

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That's Stoicism, not Christianity.

DarkSoul999 said:

That is exactly correct. This is why all people should purge themselves of emotion. Feelings lead to nothing but catastrophe. Those children would still be alive if they didn't have the turmoil that comes with emotion.

We should be cold ascetic followers of the law. Failure or weakness of any kind should be met with extreme discipline.

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You are preaching Stoicism, which is not Christianity.

RDKirk said:

That's the entire point of the book of Jonah--God was unwilling to destroy the Ninevites specifically--the reason He gave, that they were ignorant--before they'd gotten a witness of Him.

Paul points out that the reason men are not innocent is specifically because they refuse to acknowledge God as witnessed by His creation.

Jesus explicitly said, "If you were blind, you would be innocent, but because you say, 'We see' your guilt remains."

So actually, there is quite a bit of scripture indicating that God takes a person's knowledge of Him into consideration in His judgment.

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There could be very significant implications for what you are suggesting. Salvation would require only that you not reject God/Christ.

Some will argue that the presence of the indwelling Holy Spirit is required for salvation....but those who are ignorant will not even know what a "Holy Spirit" is!

So how is this problem resolved?

RDKirk said:

You are preaching Stoicism, which is not Christianity.

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If babies are being tormented for all eternity then Stoicism is better than Christianity. It won't do anything for you whatsoever and it sure won't save the world but it is still far better than waking up screaming in the middle of the night because your tween is trapped in an eternal Auschwitz.

This would be a great time to revolve the issue definitively.

DarkSoul999 said:

There could be very significant implications for what you are suggesting. Salvation would require only that you not reject God/Christ.

Some will argue that the presence of the indwelling Holy Spirit is required for salvation....but those who are ignorant will not even know what a "Holy Spirit" is!

So how is this problem resolved?

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There is no question that God can and will save whoever was destined to be saved from the creation of the universe.

The only implication is the question of predestination--which is not going to be answered in this forum.

DarkSoul999 said:

If babies are being tormented for all eternity then Stoicism is better than Christianity. It won't do anything for you whatsoever and it sure won't save the world but it is still far better than waking up screaming in the middle of the night because your tween is trapped in an eternal Auschwitz.

This would be a great time to revolve the issue definitively.

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Stoicism is not Christianity.

Lybrah said:

I pretty much believe that most suicides go to hell. But when I hear of children--tweens and teens, committing suicide, it's even more sad, imagining a kid in hell. What do you think on this issue? Sad because they think they're ending their pain, but their pain ends up becoming magnified by 1 million for eternity...

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I can see your point but let me elaborate my answer. Whilst suicide is the ultimate slap in the the face of God, He also knows that for someone to be in a state of self destruct, means their mind is not their own. God designed us to live, never self destruct.
Unfortunately the mind is so powerful that it can override its purpose to protect itself.
We don't know if all suicides go to hell, only He knows that.
If we believe that young children do not go to hell on the basis that they really can't understand who God is because their minds are not developed mature enough yet, then we have to view people who in their last moments have the mind or as I prefer not in their own right mind, to kill themselves. None of us know the last moments between a suicider and death. Yes a suicide bomber will not be in heaven, that I am sure, but let's take a teenage girl who has enough of bullying. What's to say in her last breath that she didn't say God, if you are really there I'm sorry for what I'm about to do, it's just I can't take the pain of this world anymore, Good luck.

Unfortunately this is satans kingdom and in today's world young girls have so much against them. Beauty is a big problem with girls.
With boys it's more from abuse they kill themselves. Such abuse from the likes of a father treating him badly or being gay is a huge one.
Typical of Satan, bring gayness to life and then watch the kids who are deceived by it to kill themselves due to the abuse of others
Bullying really is a killer for young children today. So much pressure to fit in to an ever deceiving world.

Last point about suicide is that nowhere in scripture does it say you go to hell for it. That's why I believe for someone to end their life because of pain means something is seriously wrong and God knows this. It's not open for us to judge or presume the outcome of suicide. It is however, when we find Jesus that we never commit suicide because we are to lay all our burdens on Him. As bad as it can get, we have the ultimate comforter

Lybrah said:

I pretty much believe that most suicides go to hell. But when I hear of children--tweens and teens, committing suicide, it's even more sad, imagining a kid in hell. What do you think on this issue? Sad because they think they're ending their pain, but their pain ends up becoming magnified by 1 million for eternity...

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Suicide is not monolithic.
A terrorist or mass killer committing suicide cannot be compared to a depressed child taking his own life.
Circumstances and situations always factor in.
Personality, personal strengths, character traits, spiritual life, support systems, health, loss, experiences, and emotions are different for each individual.

Which of us can confidently claim to walk in the other person’s shoes in all these areas?

Suicide as an unforgivable sin is just speculation based on theological extensions of the nature of man.

God alone knows the heart of each of us – even better than we know our own.
Why must we speculate on what is not revealed?
Is it because we do not trust God to be just or fair so we must speculate what God ought to do?

Every believer should be taught what their job is and what God’s prerogatives are.

Determining the eternal fate of the person who commits suicide is not our job anymore than it is our job to judge who inherits eternal life and who doesn’t – or do we wish to replace He who sits on the judgment seat?

Just know His Grace and Trust Him. This yoke is easy.
Do not speculate about making decisions for God.
Concentrate on the job God has for you.

Solomons Porch said:

It very well could possibly be so, lets take for example I as a mother was given a son to raise (in the ways of the Lord) and I did not protect, love, shelter and provide for him as the gift of life that he was, then yes as a mother I am held accountable for my actions against his life, I did not do what I should have done, I failed this child, I wasn't there when I should've been. I believe God holds many many factors in account to the consequences. Do I know the depth of it, no, but in my heart I believe we all have been given responsibilities to fulfill and if we choose to pass them by, then one day, we will get to see the movie screen of life, we will get to see the consequences of our actions taken and NOT taken, that will be a sad sad day to look upon. So in everything we do and everywhere we go, we need to know and make sure that no blood is on our hands.

EXAMPLE: I had a neighbor in my 20's, one day the Lord spoke to me and told me to tell him: "get your house in order". Now I didn't understand why I should do this, I remember looking out the window and seeing him happily working in his garden, seeming that nothing was wrong. So I never delivered that message to him, was it pride? was it self-doubt? truth is it doesn't matter what it was, he died 3 days later and the guilt of not telling the man the word from the Lord taught me a valuable lesson, NEVER miss an opportunity, never let a chance pass you by, who cares if I would've sounded or looked stupid, the Lord wanted him to be aware of something that in my youth and stupidity I passed by, me now in my 40's, I will not pass by again and care what others think or feel, I will care about what HE cares about, no blood on my hands and a chance to change the course of one's journey I will never ignore. I believe God puts people in our path and He has a divine plan and purpose, so to stay close to Him and listen is what we should do. We never know what small word given could mean the difference in life or death.

Amen and I agree.

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About your example: You were taught by your failure to follow. I believe the Lord knew you would fail and some other delivered the message. God's will and purpose is never dependent upon our obedience. Part of His purpose in your failure is to teach you not to fail again. Delivering a death notice seems presumptuous. I have delivered a last chance to turn to the Lord notice to a healthy 40 year old physical therapist. It seemed very presumptuous but I had been taught the lesson you learned. Within the month he slipped on a jetty and drowned after hitting his head on the rocks without turning to the Lord. He left a ten year old son behind. Such communications from the Lord teach us how to hear and the necessity of following.