Gods will for healing

Michael Collum said:

It's an illustration. If God made it so we die, then it does not make sense to say "it is god's will to always heal us" because when it is time to die, God will not heal us, therefore not always his will. Extreme statements are the easiest to prove false because they are compensating for something and not grounded in reality.

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Ameno

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Yes, that's why YHWH does not ever say to trust our own memory, etc...
Trust Him, all who are crucified with Him, and
be in union with Him,
and learn from Him as ABBA permits, trusting and relying entirely on Him.

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Ameno

[for me anyway] Yes it is true that "all things are possible to him that believeth" which is why some may say healing fails because of unbelief: nevertheless the Word of god makes it clear to us: "For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us." (Romans 8:18) and "For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory." (2 Corinthians 4:17) and "For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ." (2 Corinthians 1:5) and "For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake." (Philippians 1:29) and such like things. Beside this in (Luke 9:11) the Lord Jesus "healed them that had need of healing" which does not mean everyone, but who He determined had need to be healed: others who were not healed had another purpose, namely to be an example among the just, because it is the just who shall live by faith; which example all others have need of beholding and knowing of.

for whoever keeps quoting the many text, it does mean or imply that some were healed. It only sets a limit at many.

lastofall said:

the Lord Jesus "healed them that had need of healing" which does not mean everyone, but who He determined had need to be healed:

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Not quite, or not always, perhaps.

Some places as He went and taught,
He healed EVERYONE who came to Him, (or was brought to Him by others).
Everyone who came to Him. Not some, not a few, but everyone.

Same later when He sent out the disciples by 2's, they healed EVERYONE.

Also, everywhere they went, they also cast out many demons (everywhere they went).

A few messengers of YHWH have done this also, in almost all, if not every, century since then....

Then, in a few (or many) places, not many miracles were done, even by Jesus... for the reason given in Scripture Clearly. (NOT because they did not need healing - as everywhere they went, everywhere you could go today, MANY need healing and many demons need to be cast out, but are usually not ever done)..

Daniel Marsh said:

for whoever keeps quoting the many text, it does mean or imply that some were healed. It only sets a limit at many.

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In the cities in the usa where a whole generation of children are made sick by either lead poisoning, or radiation (known and measured for decades, and not cleaned up),

how can they be healed ? (regardless of how many, how can they be healed ? )

Daniel Marsh said:

Deuteronomy 30
17But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, 18I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.

19This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live 20and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

In context, that is addressed to the Jewish People there alone, not to everyone for all time.
Thus ripping that text out of context becomes bad theology.

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The whole bible was addressed to a certain group of people at a certain time. You can choose which to throw out and which to apply to yourself. I choose to eat the whole book.

I don't have time to read all the messages at this time. My younger sister died of cancer. No one can tell me that she didn't have faith! My older sister also died of cancer at age forty-five. You and I aren't to blame when someone dies of cancer nor are we to blame when God chooses to take a person.

Isaiah 55
8For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

Ben Collyer said:

well, the preacher was Dan Mohler and he clearly states that Gods will is always to heal

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That isn't true. Dan Mohler is misinformed.

QUOTE="Phoebe Ann, post: 72130486, member: 5763"]I don't have time to read all the messages at this time. My younger sister died of cancer. No one can tell me that she didn't have faith! My older sister also died of cancer at age forty-five. You and I aren't to blame when someone dies of cancer nor are we to blame when God chooses to take a person.

Isaiah 55
8For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.[/QUOTE
When [let's say] one doctor holds the key to the disease, and withholds it, so instead of the person recovering their immune system functioning properly and becoming healthy again,
they pass away,
is the doctor to blame ?

/nvm

Ben Collyer said:

Hi all, imagine that a family member of yours was stricken with incurable cancer, and as a result of God allowing this cancer into their life, they gave their life to christ (God is wise, sovereign)...

but then you listen to a sermon which states that the only barrier to healing is our unbelief.

Would you not then be loaded with guilt if your family member died? because remember they died because of your unbelief? can you see the problem with this doctrine?

how are we supposed to deal with this?

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Pray for belief, study up on medically documented miraculous healings and how people got them, and don't condemn yourself for not being perfect. We are all works in progress.

Ben Collyer said:

Hi all, imagine that a family member of yours was stricken with incurable cancer, and as a result of God allowing this cancer into their life, they gave their life to christ (God is wise, sovereign)...

but then you listen to a sermon which states that the only barrier to healing is our unbelief.

Would you not then be loaded with guilt if your family member died? because remember they died because of your unbelief? can you see the problem with this doctrine?

how are we supposed to deal with this?

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Ignore the sermon you mentioned about healing. It's utter nonsense.

Ben Collyer said:

well, the preacher was Dan Mohler and he clearly states that Gods will is always to heal

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Dan Mohler is part of what is known as the New Apostolic Reformation. It's a movement of false doctrine that has split many churches over the last ten years or so. Dan, and Todd White, his protege, and men like Mike Bickles, C. Peter Wagner, Cindy Jacobs, Bill Johnson, and a host of others are pushing the NAR agenda in North America. Avoid these wolves in sheep's clothing like the plague!

A Great Deception: The New Apostolic Reformation | Christian Forums

yeshuaslavejeff said:

In the cities in the usa where a whole generation of children are made sick by either lead poisoning, or radiation (known and measured for decades, and not cleaned up),

how can they be healed ? (regardless of how many, how can they be healed ? )

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Seek Jesus for Salvation, Death and Resurrection.

I forget iodine is used for radiation poisoning.

RaymondG said:

The whole bible was addressed to a certain group of people at a certain time. You can choose which to throw out and which to apply to yourself. I choose to eat the whole book.

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Out of context creates bad doctrine.

You were not part of that old covenant. You as a Christian are part of the New Covenant.

Thus, that proof text does not apply to Us. The bad theology you are teaching simply drives people away from Christ.

Forget where, ticking ears.

aiki said:

Dan Mohler is part of what is known as the New Apostolic Reformation. It's a movement of false doctrine that has split many churches over the last ten years or so. Dan, and Todd White, his protege, and men like Mike Bickles, C. Peter Wagner, Cindy Jacobs, Bill Johnson, and a host of others are pushing the NAR agenda in North America. Avoid these wolves in sheep's clothing like the plague!

A Great Deception: The New Apostolic Reformation | Christian Forums

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Amen

LoricaLady said:

Pray for belief, study up on medically documented miraculous healings and how people got them

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fwiw, the long published and proven book "Nutrition, the Cancer Answer" is still available (probably for a short time left only, at reasonable cost). Search online to get a used copy. It goes into the reasons and methods used by the Israelites under Moses, in one manner of speaking, and then likewise by many peoples in the last 4000 years, very effectively, inexpensively, (daily, normally), and without any bad side effects (except to doctors pocketbooks! haha) ....

RaymondG said:

So you believe that it doesnt matter if the person being healed unbelieves in God or that he will be healed by God?

"28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord."

Do you believe that their answer to the question was irrelevant?

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I believe that those who say, "Your lack of healing is because You Do Not have faith."

Are liars and agents of the devil.
No where does the bible say you were not healed because of a lack of faith.

Tolworth John said:

I believe that those who say, "Your lack of healing is because You Do Not have faith."

Are liars and agents of the devil.
No where does the bible say you were not healed because of a lack of faith.

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Ok..... the statement you mentioned is not one that I would make or would advise anyone else to make. But that aside, Do you believe it possible to have faith that you are healed, and not be healed?