Is there a gap between 1 Corinthians 15:23 and verse 24?

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Revelation 20:12....all the dead, great and small, standing before the Throne.....
This will happen after the Millennium, when the thousand years have ended..... Revelation 20:7

However the text doesn't say all the dead are resurrected, they remain dead, just symbolically standing before the Throne...Daniel 7:9-10 Then the Books were opened and Judgement commenced.
Those whose names are in the Book of Life will receive Eternal bodies, Those whose names are not; will be consigned to the Lake of Fire.
All the dead will stand before the throne at the return of Jesus with the angels, as Jesus clearly taught.

Matthew 25:31-46

Verses 31-32 Jesus returns with the angels, the Nations are gathered before the throne, "Eternal Final Judgment" takes place.

Verse 34 The "Eternal Kingdom" is presented to the righteous.

Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the "Eternal Lake Of Fire"

Verse 46 The righteous obtain "Eternal Life" and enter the "Eternal Kingdom" in verse 34

There will be no 1000 year earthly kingdom to follow the return of Jesus, "Eternity Begins"
 
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All the dead will stand before the throne at the return of Jesus with the angels, as Jesus clearly taught.

Matthew 25:31-46

Verses 31-32 Jesus returns with the angels, the Nations are gathered before the throne, "Eternal Final Judgment" takes place.

Verse 34 The "Eternal Kingdom" is presented to the righteous.

Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the "Eternal Lake Of Fire"

Verse 46 The righteous obtain "Eternal Life" and enter the "Eternal Kingdom" in verse 34

There will be no 1000 year earthly kingdom to follow the return of Jesus, "Eternity Begins"


Amils IMO are similar to unbelieving Jews, but not meaning the unbelieving part though, not saying or meaning that. But meaning like this. Unbelieving Jews determine truth via the OT alone. And by them not also using the NT, obviously they are coming to some incorrect conclusions about things. In a similar way, instead of Amils using both testaments together to determine truth, Amils are basically determining all truth according to the NT alone, rather than using both testaments combined like Premils typically do.

To prove my point. The NT says to Amils there will be no mortal survivors after the 2nd coming. Not what Zechariah 14 indicates though.
 
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Revelation 20:12....all the dead, great and small, standing before the Throne.....
This will happen after the Millennium, when the thousand years have ended..... Revelation 20:7

However the text doesn't say all the dead are resurrected, they remain dead, just symbolically standing before the Throne...Daniel 7:9-10 Then the Books were opened and Judgement commenced.
Those whose names are in the Book of Life will receive Eternal bodies, Those whose names are not; will be consigned to the Lake of Fire.
That is correct. But as you can see from the response you got, men are so sure of themselves these days that most have no room in them to do real reasoning.

They do not understand that those who are not in the grave are no longer considered as dead ones because they completely perished like a vapor. Nor will most try to understand that it has become as such ones never existed. We are close to the end.

Psalms 37:20 "But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away."
 
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To prove my point. The NT says to Amils there will be no mortal survivors after the 2nd coming. Not what Zechariah 14 indicates though.

And Revelation 11:18 contains "the time of the judgment of the dead", but do not worry about that.

Try to ignore it and post some Old Testament scripture, instead...



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G3419 mnemeion -- from 3420; a remembrance, i.e. cenotaph (place of interment): KJV -- grave, sepulchre, tomb.

Remember that from Strong's Greek Dictionary as I proceed.

I pray you learn from this experience so as not to be so sure of your beliefs that you jump to defending them without investigation of the comments others make. Let us proceed:

Just so that we do not forget, I already posted the following three texts:

John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Psalms 88:4-5 "I am counted with them that go down into the pit: I am as a man that hath no strength: Free among the dead, like the slain that lie in the grave, whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand."

Psalms 86:13 "For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest Sheol."

Now let us see what else we can find:

Are the following in graves?
Psalms 83:9-10 “Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison: Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth.”

Are the following in graves?
Jeremiah 8:2 “And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.”

Are the following in graves?
Jeremiah 9:22 “Speak, Thus saith the LORD, Even the carcases of men shall fall as dung upon the open field, and as the handful after the harvestman, and none shall gather them.”

Are the following in graves?
Jeremiah 16:4 “They shall die of grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented; neither shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcases shall be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth.”

Are the following in graves?
Jeremiah 25:33 “And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.”

Are the following in graves?
Zephaniah 1:17 “And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.”

Are the following in graves?
Revelation 19:17-18 “And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.”

While the following is Zophar the Naamathite, he knew what he was speaking about. Job 20:5 That the triumphing of the wicked is short, and the joy of the hypocrite but for a moment?
6 Though his excellency mount up to the heavens, and his head reach unto the clouds;
7 Yet he shall perish for ever like his own dung: they which have seen him shall say, Where is he?
8 He shall fly away as a dream, and shall not be found: yea, he shall be chased away as a vision of the night.
9 The eye also which saw him shall see him no more; neither shall his place any more behold him.

Do you see what the problem is? You do not understand Sheol and Hades. In the Bible the word, “grave” or “tomb” is used to denote a place of rest while awaiting resurrection. And not everyone who has ever died is in a grave as all of the above quoted texts clearly show. Those not in graves (that place of remembrance) can be considered as in the lowest Sheol but that portion of Sheol is not considered as a place of remembrance or place of interment or a grave.

Hope that helps clear up your confusion, after all, we want to keep our beliefs in harmony with the entire Scriptures and not just what we think harmonizes with the New Testament. Right?

I will explain Luke 16:19-31 if you would like for me to do so.
The Holy Bible clearly teaches in Luke 16:19-32 there are only two places to go after death presently.

1. Righteous/Abrahams Bossom/Comfort

2. Wicked/Hell/Torment
 
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Not what I asked though. :) We already know that the last day involves the resurrection of the believers. So that's not in dispute. So I'm looking for some text that plainly uses this same phrase 'the last day', and applies it to the resurrection of unbelievers as well.
John 5:28-29 clearly shows "All" in the graves and the same "Hour", very simple the resurrection is on the Last Day, for both righteous and wicked.

Dave you dont want to see this simple truth, just as you desire to insert 1000 years between 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 that isnt there.

Matthew 25:31-46 your interpretation of Goat has removed all wicked from the left side, and you create an intermediate third group in 100% error.

Dave you create your own private interpretarions that are not found in scriptuure.
 
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The Holy Bible clearly teaches in Luke 16:19-32 there are only two places to go after death presently.

1. Righteous/Abrahams Bossom/Comfort

2. Wicked/Hell/Torment
You say that because you do not understand Jesus' parable there. I know you likely think you understand it but you really don't. And to make matters worse for you the way you wrongly understand various interrelated subjects (subjects which in part intertwine with each other) moves you to think of another mistaken doctrine as proof to defend yourself that one telling you the truth about a particular subject cannot be right. That is how slyly Satan binds us.

The deaths in the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus are spiritual deaths. The Rich Man represents the corrupted religious leaders there in Jerusalem who loved money and prominence more so than they loved God's sheep. When God removed his covenant from those corrupt religious leaders because Jesus fulfilled the Law, their death by their own law was confirmed and they were thus now spiritually dead. That was a bitter place of weeping and gnashing their teeth as they resisted the New Covenant church of Christ and went about weeping and gnashing their teeth on the Christians because they were so tormented by their existence.

Lazarus represents those who depended upon those neglectful religious leaders for their spiritual food. Lazarus starved to death spiritually because those leaders only fed him crumbs. Lazarus received better treatment from the dogs of the nations than he did from his own Jewish religious leaders. But God resurrected Lazarus from that low position of spiritual bankruptcy and gave Lazarus the bosom or favored position by the making of the New Covenant.

The great gulf which separated them away from God was their refusal to accept Christ. No way could they cross that gulf unless they would repent and accept Christ. But for the majority of them their pride was to inflated to allow them to do that. (I should add here: Due to their pride, all they could focus on was wanting their prominent position back as it was under that Old Covenant. And they yet do that today.)

That is the basics of that parable. I could add a few finite details but that is sufficient. If that explanation does not help you to see then ten million words from me could have no better effect.
 
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And Revelation 11:18 contains "the time of the judgment of the dead", but do not worry about that.

Try to ignore it and post some Old Testament scripture, instead...



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You further proved my point I was trying to make. Amils typically determine all truth based on the NT alone, rather than using both testaments combined in order to determine truth.
 
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Amils IMO are similar to unbelieving Jews, but not meaning the unbelieving part though, not saying or meaning that. But meaning like this. Unbelieving Jews determine truth via the OT alone. And by them not also using the NT, obviously they are coming to some incorrect conclusions about things. In a similar way, instead of Amils using both testaments together to determine truth, Amils are basically determining all truth according to the NT alone, rather than using both testaments combined like Premils typically do.

To prove my point. The NT says to Amils there will be no mortal survivors after the 2nd coming. Not what Zechariah 14 indicates though.
You have been shown once, ill show you again and again.

Zechariah 14

Verses 1-4 The second coming, battle of Armageddon.

Verses 6-7 eternal light, in the eternal kingdom.

Verse 8 eternal river of life. Revelation 22:1-5

Verse 12 the last day judgment by fire, 2 Peter 3:10-13

You disregard the obvious eternal kingdom,

You disregard Matthew 25:31-46 that is the same second coming as Zechariah 14:1-4

You deny this is the final judgment of all the righteous and wicked. You disregard there are only "Two Groups" in the world, saved/unsaved, names in the book of life/names not in the book of life.

Simple, "Two Groups"

You teach in error of "Three Groups"

Sheep, Goats, Wicked.

1. Sheep:Righteous

2. Goats:Intermediate State

3. Wicked:Satanist/Witches/Athiest
 
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You say that because you do not understand Jesus' parable there. I know you likely think you understand it butI. you really don't. And to make matters worse for you the way you wrongly understand various interrelated subjects (subjects which in part intertwine with each other) moves you to think of another mistaken doctrine as proof to defend yourself that one telling you the truth about a particular subject cannot be right. That is how slyly Satan binds us.

The deaths in the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus are spiritual deaths. The Rich Man represents the corrupted religious leaders there in Jerusalem who loved money and prominence more so than they loved God's sheep. When God removed his covenant from those corrupt religious leaders because Jesus fulfilled the Law, their death by their own law was confirmed and they were thus now spiritually dead. That was a bitter place of weeping and gnashing their teeth as they resisted the New Covenant church of Christ and went about weeping and gnashing their teeth on the Christians because they were so tormented by their existence.

Lazarus represents those who depended upon those neglectful religious leaders for their spiritual food. Lazarus starved to death spiritually because those leaders only fed him crumbs. Lazarus received better treatment from the dogs of the nations than he did from his own Jewish religious leaders. But God resurrected Lazarus from that low position of spiritual bankruptcy and gave Lazarus the bosom or favored position by the making of the New Covenant.

The great gulf which separated them away from God was their refusal to accept Christ. No way could they cross that gulf unless they would repent and accept Christ. But for the majority of them their pride was to inflated to allow them to do that. (I should add here: Due to their pride, all they could focus on was wanting their prominent position back as it was under that Old Covenant. And they yet do that today.)

That is the basics of that parable. I could add a few finite details but that is sufficient. If that explanation does not help you to see then ten million words from me could have no better effect.
I disagree with your symbolic interpretation of Luke 16:19-31

The parable was a teaching depicting the souls of the righteous "Lazarus" and wicked "rich man" in an explanation of heaven, Abraham's Blossom, & Hell simple and easy

We will disagree :)
 
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I disagree with your symbolic interpretation of Luke 16:19-31

The parable was a teaching depicting the souls of the righteous "Lazarus" and wicked "rich man" in an explanation of heaven, Abraham's Blossom, & Hell simple and easy

We will disagree :)
Just don't expect me to be surprised that you (or, for that mater, anyone) would disagree.

Many share a preference to ignore the point of Jesus' words in the previous parable and in the preceding verses, particularly verse 16, which highlights his subject as being the end of the Old Law Covenant. And that of course is that their main concern is to defend their doctrines. That is one reason that Christendom's church's are full of conflicting doctrines which being a poor substitute for truth, promote excuses for sin in this world.

Paul drew on Jesus logic there at Luke 16:18 in his discussion of the end of that Old Law Covenant and how it convicted them of sin:

Romans 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

But if most people did interpret the Scriptures correctly then many of the things said in the Scriptures would prove to have been false predictions that people would do just that.

So whether anyone accepts or rejects the truth in connection what Jesus spoke there, I can yet thank them for having a part in proving the Bible is indeed inspired of God and does indeed contain the truth of God.

And I also thank you for having your part.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
John 5:28-29 clearly shows "All" in the graves and the same "Hour", very simple the resurrection is on the Last Day, for both righteous and wicked.

Dave you dont want to see this simple truth, just as you desire to insert 1000 years between 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 that isnt there.

Matthew 25:31-46 your interpretation of Goat has removed all wicked from the left side, and you create an intermediate third group in 100% error.

Dave you create your own private interpretations that are not found in Scripture.
Now let us inspect Truth7t7's comments a bit closer.

Ttruth7t7 has shown that he (or, she, whichever) sees the resurrection of the "unjust" at John 5:28-29 as being synonymous with the "wicked." We need to be willing to investigate further to find out if that be true.

The KJV translates that verse: John 5:28-29 "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

So if we trust that the KJV translation is correct in its translation, then, we too agree with Truth7t7. But we need to make sure that the KJV (or, for that matter, any Bible version we prefer) has translated correctly.

The literal translation of those verses as given by the translators, Westcott-Hort, is as follows:

John 5:28
mee thaumazete touto hoti erchetai hwra en hee pantes hoi en tois mneemeiois akousousin tees phwnees autou

NOT BE YOU WONDERING AT THIS, BECAUSE IS COMING HOUR IN WHICH ALL THE (ONES) IN THE MEMORIAL TOMBS WILL HEAR OF THE VOICE OF HIM

John 5:29
kai ekporeusontai hoi ta agatha poieesantes eis anastasin zwees hoi ta phaula praxantes eis anastasin krisews

AND WILL COME OUT THE (ONES) THE GOOD (THINGS) HAVING DONE INTO RESURRECTION OF LIFE, THE (ONES) THE VILE (THINGS) HAVING PRACTICED INTO RESURRECTION OF JUDGMENT.

What we find is that there is no direct mention of the wicked in verse 29, but just, "THE (ONES) THE VILE (THINGS) HAVING PRACTICED." And if we are honest, we must admit that the vast majority of us have at one time been, "THE (ONES) THE VILE (THINGS) HAVING PRACTICED." Also if honest we must admit that even yet many Christians are ones practicing certain vile things, for they are yet Christian babes and still carnal in their thinking. Truth7t7 by his or her interpretation is hiding the mercy of God in giving these babes in Christ a chance during the thousand year recreation period of this earth and its symbolic ruling heaven.

I know that many are likely confused at my comment that the New Heaven God is bringing forth in the recreation period is the symbolic "ruling heaven." There is much Scriptural proof that our high officials (our countries presidents and so forth) are considered as ruling in a heaven over this earth. So pictured as heaven sometimes merely denotes a lofty or elevated position with respect to the common people of the earth, to which ones can be appointed. If you desire a discussion of that just ask me.

The next thing we see is that the translators, Westcott-Hort, have used the word, "judgement", rather than, "damnation", as the KJV. What is the Greek word being there translated? We see in the Greek text that the word is, "krisis", which our dictionaries tell us means "decision" and that by extension it can be applied as a tribunal and by implication can mean, "justice." It is Strong's Greek dictionary G2920 for any who wish to look it up.

So the question is appropriate to ask, 'Does this then infer that these ones who have dabbled in the practice of vile sins are to be tried before a tribunal of sorts? The obvious answer is yes.

Thew wicked have been condemned already according to Jesus at John 3:18. They cannot have already been condemned unless they have already been judged. So it is rediculous to think of the wicked needing further judgment. Judgement by a tribunal is for the purpose of deciding whether one is worthy of condemnation. And the judgment which is coming is a period of time wherein those who have dabbled in the practice of certain vile sins will be damned or if they recover themselves, be allowed everlasting life along with those who defeated sin in this life. (And there some people's poor understanding of Pauls words in Romans chapter 7 will flare up. We can discuss that also if you desire.) But this merciful judgment is good news for babes in Christ who have struggled with sin. Knowing about that judgment correctly can help them to not get too frustrated and give up all together. So surely we do not want to be hiding it through mistaken beliefs.

If you have questions on what I spoke to you here, just ask me. It is OK to be wrong so long as we are also willing to be found wrong and let that wrong receive correction. That is a part of how we all grow.
 
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Now let us inspect Truth7t7's comments a bit closer.

Ttruth7t7 has shown that he (or, she, whichever) sees the resurrection of the "unjust" at John 5:28-29 as being synonymous with the "wicked." We need to be willing to investigate further to find out if that be true.

The KJV translates that verse: John 5:28-29 "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

So if we trust that the KJV translation is correct in its translation, then, we too agree with Truth7t7. But we need to make sure that the KJV (or, for that matter, any Bible version we prefer) has translated correctly.

The literal translation of those verses as given by the translators, Westcott-Hort, is as follows:

John 5:28
mee thaumazete touto hoti erchetai hwra en hee pantes hoi en tois mneemeiois akousousin tees phwnees autou

NOT BE YOU WONDERING AT THIS, BECAUSE IS COMING HOUR IN WHICH ALL THE (ONES) IN THE MEMORIAL TOMBS WILL HEAR OF THE VOICE OF HIM

John 5:29
kai ekporeusontai hoi ta agatha poieesantes eis anastasin zwees hoi ta phaula praxantes eis anastasin krisews

AND WILL COME OUT THE (ONES) THE GOOD (THINGS) HAVING DONE INTO RESURRECTION OF LIFE, THE (ONES) THE VILE (THINGS) HAVING PRACTICED INTO RESURRECTION OF JUDGMENT.

What we find is that there is no direct mention of the wicked in verse 29, but just, "THE (ONES) THE VILE (THINGS) HAVING PRACTICED." And if we are honest, we must admit that the vast majority of us have at one time been, "THE (ONES) THE VILE (THINGS) HAVING PRACTICED." Also if honest we must admit that even yet many Christians are ones practicing certain vile things, for they are yet Christian babes and still carnal in their thinking. Truth7t7 by his or her interpretation is hiding the mercy of God in giving these babes in Christ a chance during the thousand year recreation period of this earth and its symbolic ruling heaven.

I know that many are likely confused at my comment that the New Heaven God is bringing forth in the recreation period is the symbolic "ruling heaven." There is much Scriptural proof that our high officials (our countries presidents and so forth) are considered as ruling in a heaven over this earth. So pictured as heaven sometimes merely denotes a lofty or elevated position with respect to the common people of the earth, to which ones can be appointed. If you desire a discussion of that just ask me.

The next thing we see is that the translators, Westcott-Hort, have used the word, "judgement", rather than, "damnation", as the KJV. What is the Greek word being there translated? We see in the Greek text that the word is, "krisis", which our dictionaries tell us means "decision" and that by extension it can be applied as a tribunal and by implication can mean, "justice." It is Strong's Greek dictionary G2920 for any who wish to look it up.

So the question is appropriate to ask, 'Does this then infer that these ones who have dabbled in the practice of vile sins are to be tried before a tribunal of sorts? The obvious answer is yes.

Thew wicked have been condemned already according to Jesus at John 3:18. They cannot have already been condemned unless they have already been judged. So it is rediculous to think of the wicked needing further judgment. Judgement by a tribunal is for the purpose of deciding whether one is worthy of condemnation. And the judgment which is coming is a period of time wherein those who have dabbled in the practice of certain vile sins will be damned or if they recover themselves, be allowed everlasting life along with those who defeated sin in this life. (And there some people's poor understanding of Pauls words in Romans chapter 7 will flare up. We can discuss that also if you desire.) But this merciful judgment is good news for babes in Christ who have struggled with sin. Knowing about that judgment correctly can help them to not get too frustrated and give up all together. So surely we do not want to be hiding it through mistaken beliefs.

If you have questions on what I spoke to you here, just ask me. It is OK to be wrong so long as we are also willing to be found wrong and let that wrong receive correction. That is a part of how we all grow.



The Textus Receptus was quoted by Early Church Father, Cyprian, about 250 AD.

The Sinai text used by Westcott and Hort is a corruption of the original Greek.

The monks at Saint Catherine's Monastery should have burned it, as they had planned.

Westcott and Hort were not "born again" believers.

The Textus Receptus texts are the superior texts.


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The Textus Receptus was quoted by Early Church Father, Cyprian, about 250 AD.

The Sinai text used by Westcott and Hort is a corruption of the original Greek.

The monks at Saint Catherine's Monastery should have burned it, as they had planned.

Westcott and Hort were not "born again" believers.

The Textus Receptus texts are the superior texts.


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I use both the Stephanus Textus Receptus and the Westcott-Hort, as well as Scrivener's and others. I am thorough in looking at the comparisons and when differences are found (which differences are found far less often than you might think) I investigate to determine where the most trustworthy Greek version is. But thank you for your useful opinion.

When we check both the Stephanus Textus Receptus and Westcott-Hort in places such as at John 5:28-29 we find that they read exactly the same in those particular texts ( -Sorry, my eyes deceived me - but for an additional negative particle "de" in verse 29 which still really changes nothing concerning our discussion).

Textus Receptus:
John 5:28 mh qaumazete touto oti erxetai wra en h pantej oi en toij mnhmeioij akousontai thj fwnhj autou
29 kai ekporeusontai oi ta agaqa poihsantej eij anastasin zwhj oi de ta faula pracantej eij anastasin krisewj

Westcott-Hort:
John 5:28 mh qaumazete touto oti erxetai wra en h pantej oi en toij mnhmeioij akousousin thj fwnhj autou
29 kai ekporeusontai oi ta agaqa poihsantej eij anastasin zwhj oi ta faula pracantej eij anastasin krisewj

That additional negative particle, "de", affects the rendering as follows in the square brackets:
AND WILL COME OUT THE (ONES) THE GOOD (THINGS) HAVING DONE INTO RESURRECTION OF LIFE, [de, "and"] THE (ONES) THE VILE (THINGS) HAVING PRACTICED INTO RESURRECTION OF JUDGMENT.

I should add a thought here for you. Paul said that if we would judge ourselves we would not be judged: 1 Corinthians 11:31 "For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged."

Those Christians who have done a poor job of judging themselves are who Jesus is speaking of as needing judgment at John 5:29.

There is no place for the wicked of this world in the resurrection, They are expired as smoke; considered as manure on the ground rather than in memorial graves.

And if you would stop and think, that makes far better sense. After all, on one hand you tout God's Omniscience but on the other you having Him dragging out the fate of the wicked. That turns many away from believing and does God a disservice.

Edit: I entered a correction above as my eyes thought I had seen an extra preposition but when I looked later I recognized that it was the negative particle "de" which I had seen. There is no difference of effect caused of it. It simply means "and", or "but", or similar conjunctions. Its use is just to join thoughts.

Sorry about that. But it in no way changes the point.
 
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Daniel 7:10 "A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Ten thousand times Ten thousand equals one hundred thousand standing before him to be judged.

Earths population today was estimated to be 7.6 Billion in 2017. One hundred million is a mere 1.3% of that number.

So if that number were taken literally it most certainly could not represent all the wicked who ever lived from the beginning of the world.

However, I strongly suspect that the number is figurative. That then also makes me tend to think the number 144,000 must be figurative.

One hundred million whether literal or figurative still seems too small to represent all the wicked who have ever lived. And weighed against all the Scriptural evidence I provided in my previous posts that the wicked die and it is finished for them right then and there, that small number seems significant as further proof that the resurrected unjust are not the wicked unless they fail their judgment. After all the Greek word used at John 5:29 for judgment (which in the KJV is very wrongly translated damnation) merely means, "decision" and by extension, "a tribunal". A tribunal is for making decisions such as are involved in making a judgement.

But some of us have to be on one side and some of us on the other. Else none of it could be true. The evidence is clear that just as Jesus said, many are already judged and condemned and will get no further judgement.

John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

It is up to you whether you will believe Jesus there at John 3:8 or not. I presented much Scriptural evidence in posts 74, 79, 83, 87, 92, and 94, but if you don't believe Jesus then I sure cannot expect you to believe anything I post.
 
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