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I was just listening to a programme on Christian tv and they were talking about what God said to Joshua .....No one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life. As I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you. (Joshua 1:5).

The presenter of the programme said you can personalise all of this. Is it right that you can personalise 'no one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life'?
 

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I was just listening to a programme on Christian tv and they were talking about what God said to Joshua .....No one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life. As I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you. (Joshua 1:5).

The presenter of the programme said you can personalise all of this. Is it right that you can personalise 'no one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life'?
I think it is okay to personalize scripture. My mom will put my name into scripture at times when she prays for me.
 
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I was just listening to a programme on Christian tv and they were talking about what God said to Joshua .....No one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life. As I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you. (Joshua 1:5).

The presenter of the programme said you can personalise all of this. Is it right that you can personalise 'no one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life'?
I think it depends on the passage in question. As to the one you posted, yes, I think it is appropriate. We read scripture to read G-d's thoughts and how He desires us to live. In this passage He is telling Joshua that He would be with him as He was with Moses, in other words, if we are righteous and follow His commands He will be with us, just as He was with Moses.
 
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The presenter of the programme said you can personalise all of this. Is it right that you can personalise 'no one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life'?

I think it is one thing for God to speak to us through the Bible to give encouragement, conviction, or guidance. Indeed, I believe that He does that in a personal way for what we need to hear for a given time and stage in our lives. So with regard to that, I would say that there are times God will personalize scripture for us via the Holy Spirit speaking to our hearts that He means something for us. There are times where I'm reading the Bible and a particular verse (irregardless of context) will jump out at me in a meaningful way for what I'm am dealing with in life at the moment.

However, it is very different to read any given passage and immediately take it as a command or unconditional promise. I'd be hesitant to take this part of Joshua 1:5 "no one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life" as an unconditional promise under all circumstances that every disagreement, argument, conflict, etc. will always turn out well and in your favor. I do think at times that God might bring a verse like this to someone's attention (who is in the midst of some type of struggle) to encourage them.

Now, one of the challenges is that we can be mistaken at times about when and what we think God is saying to us. If something is about a major decision or issue, it is often good to meditate on something, pray about it, and talk to some mature believers about it rather than relying purely on having read a single passage of scripture.
 
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I think it's fine.

It is very true that much scripture is taken out of context and that can change it's meaning, the general meaning of this one is that God is with those who follow him faithfully, which I believe and has been promised in the Gospel and repeated in other Scriptures.
 
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The presenter of the programme said you can personalise all of this. Is it right that you can personalise 'no one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life'?
In some cases you can and others I would not do so. It all bears on the context.

For instance, would it be right to put your name into what God promised Mary about carrying a baby that is God almighty?
 
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I was just listening to a programme on Christian tv and they were talking about what God said to Joshua .....No one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life. As I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you. (Joshua 1:5).

The presenter of the programme said you can personalise all of this. Is it right that you can personalise 'no one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life'?

Joshua 1:1-9 After the death of Moses the servant of the Lord, the Lord said to Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' assistant, 2 “Moses my servant is dead. Now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, you and all this people, into the land that I am giving to them, to the people of Israel. 3 Every place that the sole of your foot will tread upon I have given to you, just as I promised to Moses. 4 From the wilderness and this Lebanon as far as the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites to the Great Sea toward the going down of the sun shall be your territory. 5 No man shall be able to stand before you all the days of your life. Just as I was with Moses, so I will be with you. I will not leave you or forsake you. 6 Be strong and courageous, for you shall cause this people to inherit the land that I swore to their fathers to give them. 7 Only be strong and very courageous, being careful to do according to all the law that Moses my servant commanded you. Do not turn from it to the right hand or to the left, that you may have good success[a] wherever you go. 8 This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success. 9 Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be frightened, and do not be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go.”

Everything in Scripture is there to teach us about God and how to have a relationship with Him, so through what God said to Joshua, we learn that He is a God who does not forsake His followers who are careful to do everything in His Law, and we know that He is the same yesterday, today, and forever, so He is the same God to Joshua as he is to us, so we know that God will relate to us in the same way. God wanted Joshua to not depart from the Law of Moses to the right or to the left and do all that it is written in it that he may prosper and be successful in all that he does, so we should not apply the promise to ourselves if we have departed from the Law of Moses to the right or to the left and have not been careful to do all that it is written in it.
 
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@Soyeong , thanks for your reply and for pointing out that 'God wanted Joshua to not depart from the Law of Moses' and the relevance of the law and its application today if we want to apply the promise to ourselves (have I understood correctly?)

Perhaps its for another thread, but I am interested to know more about the requirements of being a follower in relation to God's commandments and how those commandments are prioritised today under a new covenant. At church I have never studied the OT laws beyond the 10 commandments, but have a little in my own time.
 
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@Soyeong , thanks for your reply and for pointing out that 'God wanted Joshua to not depart from the Law of Moses' and the relevance of the law and its application today if we want to apply the promise to ourselves (have I understood correctly?)

You're welcome. That is correct, we can only take hold of the promises of God through meeting the conditions of those promises.

Perhaps its for another thread, but I am interested to know more about the requirements of being a follower in relation to God's commandments and how those commandments are prioritised today under a new covenant. At church I have never studied the OT laws beyond the 10 commandments, but have a little in my own time.

I should start by noting that I am no longer in agreement with mainstream Christianity in regard whether we should obey the Mosaic Law while under the New Covenant, so by all means test everything I say. A big part of my departure was noting in irreconcilable differences between what is said about the Law in the OT and and what taught about it today. For example, in Joshua 1:1-9, the Law was intended to instruct Joshua in how to prosper and be successful and elsewhere it says that the Law was given for our own good to teach us how to walk in God's ways (Deuteronomy 10:12-13), so who wouldn't want to follow such instructions from God? The OT Scriptures are full of extremely high praise for the Law, such as with David who meditated in the Law day and night, who loved it, who delighted in obeying it, who said those who obey it will be blessed, who wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey it, who walked about in liberty because of it, etc, and Paul also delighted in obeying it (Romans 7:22), so I think he and other Jews were on the same page as David, and if you consider the Psalms to be Scripture, then you should agree that delight is the correct and intend response to God's Law. I realized that the view of God's Law that I had been taught didn't match the one expressed in Scripture and that needed to change, which sparked my interest in studying the Law and the Jewish cultural context of the Bible.

According to John 5:46, Jesus said that Moses wrote about him, according to Luke 24:27, Jesus began with Moses and the Prophets interpreting to them all of the things in Scripture concerning himself, according to Hebrews 10:7, the volume of the scroll is written about Jesus, and according to Romans 10:4, a relationship with Jesus is the goal of the Law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. According to Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Law and obedience God's instructions is straightforwardly about having faith in Him to teach us how to walk in His ways and to reflect His attributes to the world. In John 14:23-24, Jesus said that if we love him, then we will obey his teachings and that his teachings were not his own, but that of the Father, so the Law is there to teach us about Jesus and how to have a relationship with him based on faith and love. If you believe that we should refrain from sin and you believe that the Mosaic Law was given to reveal what sin is, then it follows that you should believe that you should obey the Mosaic Law. Jesus was sinless, so he set a perfect example of how to walk in obedience to the Law, and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:3-6). Jesus taught obedience to the Law by word and by example, so I have come to find the idea to be absurd that the way to follow him and be his disciple is to rejecting the Law that he followed.

If you are interested, I can recommend this study on Find Messiah in the Torah, as well as the other studies on the Temple and on God's Festivals:

Genesis- Messianic audio Torah teaching by Rabbi Stan Farr
 
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Thank you for such a detailed reply. Approx eight or so years ago I did visit a tiny Messianic group out of my area. I enjoyed the songs and can remember being interested in the teaching, especially relating to explaining the Jewish festivals and feasts and how they looked forward to the coming Messiah.

Thank you for sharing the link.

However, how does one avoid become legalistic when studying the law?
 
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Thank you for such a detailed reply. Approx eight or so years ago I did visit a tiny Messianic group out of my area. I enjoyed the songs and can remember being interested in the teaching, especially relating to explaining the Jewish festivals and feasts and how they looked forward to the coming Messiah.

Thank you for sharing the link.

You're welcome. :) The feasts are fascinating and extremely rich with wonderful teachings about God, His plan of redemption, and about what we will be doing during Messiah's reign, so it is a shame that some many Christians deprive themselves of the privilege and the delight of getting to keep them.

However, how does one avoid become legalistic when studying the law?

That depends on what you mean by becoming legalistic. Jesus lived in perfect obedience to the Mosaic Law and taught to obey it by word and by example, but I wouldn't call him legalistic. I also wouldn't call someone legalistic for thinking that all of the laws of their country should be obeyed or for thinking that all of the 1,050 commands in the NT should be obeyed. So I think being legalistic does not refer to thinking that one of many laws should be obeyed, but rather it refers to the manner in which someone obeys a law, where their focus in on keeping a law exactly how it is written to the point where they lose sight of the intent or purpose of why the law was given. For example:

Leviticus 19:12 You shall not swear by my name falsely, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord.

Someone who was focused on keeping the spirit of this law would understand its intention that we are not to swear falsely, whereas someone who was being legalistics or focused on keeping the letter of the law would understand that we can swear falsely just as long as we don't do so in God's name. However, someone who is keeping that law in the way that it was intended can nevertheless still miss the intention of what God is teaching us about Him through the command. As I mentioned previously, obedience to the Law is about growing in a relationship with God based on faith and love, so someone who was outwardly keeping the Law while their heart was far from God would be completely missing the whole point, which is why Paul considered keeping the law without having a focus on knowing Christ to be rubbish (Philippians 3:8). More than that though, the Law was given to teach us how to walk in God's ways and to reflect all of His attributes to the world, such as holiness, righteousness, goodness (Romans 7:12), justice, mercy, faithfulness (Matthew 23:23), love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, and self-control (Exodus 34:6-7, Galatians 5:22-23).

However, I've also seen legalism as commonly referring to trying to become justified by keeping the Law, which would be another form of outwardly keeping the Law without regard to its intent. It is important to understand that the Law was never given for the purpose of providing a means of becoming justified and in fact, that trying to become justified through keeping the law has always been a perversion of it because it makes it out to be that what God wants is a perfect performance from us instead of a relationship with us. The Law was intended as the good way where we will find rest for our souls (Jeremiah 6:16-19, Matthew 11:28-30), but trying to become justified by it would rob our souls of the rest that it was intended to give.

It was this misunderstanding of the goal of the Law that was the reason why Israel failed to obtain righteousness in Romans 9:30 - Romans 10:10. The problem wasn't that they did what God told them to do and God gave them faulty commands, but rather the problem was that they didn't understand that the righteousness of God comes only through faith in Messiah. They had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowledge because they pursued the Law as though righteousness were by works in an effort to establish their own instead of pursuing the Law as though righteousness were by faith, for the goal of pursuing the Law is a relationship with Messiah for righteousness for everyone who has faith. Then in Romans 10:5-10, Paul quoted Deuteronomy 30:11-14, in regard to our faith saying that God's Law is not too difficult for us to obey, but that His Word is near us, in our mouth and in our heart so that we can obey it, and this is what it means to confess and to submit to Jesus as Lord.
 
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Thank you so much @Soyeong for such a clear explanation. You've certainly given me food for thought. Would it be okay if perhaps I pm'd you sometime?

You're welcome, feel free to pm me any time. :)
 
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I was just listening to a programme on Christian tv and they were talking about what God said to Joshua .....No one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life. As I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you. (Joshua 1:5).

The presenter of the programme said you can personalise all of this. Is it right that you can personalise 'no one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life'?

Ultimately God will bring victory into our lives. There are seasons in life, some good, some not so good. But if we go through a bad time, it will work out for our good in the end. Joseph was an example of a man of faith who had a season of bad things, before the good.

However God's promises to us as believers are all for our good. God says if we follow him with a whole heart, we will be above only not beneath. The head, not the tail etc. God will definitely be with us always, but there may be a season of trouble, as with Job.

Ecc_8:14 There is a vanity which is done upon the earth; that there be just men, unto whom it happeneth according to the work of the wicked; again, there be wicked men, to whom it happeneth according to the work of the righteous: I said that this also is vanity.
 
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