Revelation 20:1-6 A Literal Kingdom?

BABerean2 · Dec 19, 2017

Riberra said:
If Revelation 20:4-6 is not a RESURRECTION and a Reward ...then tell us what will be the reward for the Prophets and the Saints mentioned in Revelation 11:18 ?

Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Riberra · Dec 20, 2017

BABerean2 said:
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Do you agree that John 5:27-30 make reference to the Great White Throne Judgment ?

Revelation 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne; and books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead that were in it; and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, [even] the lake of fire.

15 And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

Truth7t7 · Dec 20, 2017

Riberra said:
Do you agree that John 5:27-30 make reference to the Great White Throne Judgment ?

Revelation 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne; and books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead that were in it; and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, [even] the lake of fire.

15 And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

John 5:27-29 does not clearly define the great white throne judgment, however Daniel 12:1-2 the parallel teaching shows it is, as the book of life is open.

BABerean2 · Dec 20, 2017

Riberra said:
Do you agree that John 5:27-30 make reference to the Great White Throne Judgment ?

Revelation 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne; and books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead that were in it; and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, [even] the lake of fire.

15 And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

Yes, because we know our name is written in the book of life, based on the verse below and Christ said that "all" would hear his voice in the same "hour".
Therefore, there is only one bodily resurrection and judgment of the dead.

Php_4:3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

We also know that it occurs at His Second Coming based on 2 Timothy 4:1, and Revelation 11:18.
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Riberra · Dec 20, 2017

BABerean2 said:
Yes, because we know our name is written in the book of life, based on the verse below and Christ said that "all" would hear his voice in the same "hour".
Therefore, there is only one bodily resurrection and judgment of the dead.

Php_4:3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

We also know that it occurs at His Second Coming based on 2 Timothy 4:1, and Revelation 11:18.
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But Jesus in Revelation 20:4-6 clearly revealed to John that there will be a RESURRECTION -THE FIRST RESURRECTION- that will PRECEDE by 1,000 years the Great White Throne Judgment.

Timothy 4:1 clearly talk about the Coming of Jesus and the beginning of His Kingdom...referring to Revelation 20:4-6.

Timothy 4:1
4 I charge [thee] in the sight of God, and of Christ Jesus, who shall judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:

Riberra · Dec 20, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
Revelation 20:4 "They Lived" does not mean a bodily resurrection, they are souls, dead!
You are adding to scripture again to make your system work, Revelation 22:18-19

I have not added anything Revelation 20:4-6 is cited BY JOHN as THE FIRST RESURRECTION ....BY DEFINITION A RESURRECTION mean a BODILY RESURRECTION.

Truth7t7 · Dec 20, 2017

Riberra said:
Buaresus in Revelation 20:4-6 clearly revealed to John that there will be a RESURRECTION -THE FIRST RESURRECTION- that will PRECEDE by 1,000 years the Great White Throne Judgment.

Timothy 4:1 clearly talk about the Coming of Jesus and the beginning of His Kingdom...referring to Revelation 20:4-6.

Timothy 4:1
4 I charge [thee] in the sight of God, and of Christ Jesus, who shall judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:

You have been clearly shown the tribulation saints in Revelation 20:4-6 are saved believers, John 6:40 clearly teaches the believer will be resurrected on the "Last Day" at the second advent final judgment.

You then quote 2 Timothy 4:1 and highlight "appear and kingdom", and disregard "Judge" as Jesus Christ will appear in the resurrection, final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom.

Matthew 25:31-46 clearly teaches this fact.

Verses 31-32 Jesus returns with the angels, the nations are gathered before the throne for judgment l.

Verse 34 the eternal kingdom is presented to the righteous.

Verse 41 the wicked are judged to the eternal lake of fire.

Verse 46 the righteous obtaing eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34

This is in "Perfect Agreement" with 2 Timothy 4:1, appearance, judgment, eternal kingdom.

In "Perfect Agreement" with John 6:40 in the "Last Day" resurrection.

Riberra how long will you deny the simple truth presented to you?

DavidPT · Dec 20, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
Revelation 20:4 "They Lived" does not mean a bodily resurrection, they are souls, dead!

When John initially sees them they are souls, dead. No argument there. But how you can still think they are dead when they then live and reign with Christ a thousand years, is beyond me? You apparently must think dead and live are meaning the same thing. You know better than that, surely.

Riberra · Dec 20, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
You have been clearly shown the tribulation saints in Revelation 20:4-6 are saved believers,

THEY WILL BE BEHEADED because they will refuse to worship the beast and will refuse to take his mark..... do you know what BEHEADED mean ?

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that had been BEHEADED for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as worshipped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 The rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years should be finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: over these the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Riberra · Dec 20, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
You then quote 2 Timothy 4:1 and highlight "appear and kingdom", and disregard "Judge" as Jesus Christ will appear in the resurrection, final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom.

When Jesus will appear those who will STILL be ALIVE at His Coming will be Judged upon their decision of taking the mark and worship the BEAST -or- NOT [DURING THE 42 MONTHS REIGN OF THE BEAST] .

Revelation 14:9-13

9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a great voice, If any man worshippeth the beast and his image, and receiveth a mark on his forehead, or upon his hand, 10 he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 and the smoke of their torment goeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, they that worship the beast and his image, and whoso receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard the voice from heaven saying, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from henceforth: yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; for their works follow with them.

Riberra · Dec 20, 2017

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BABerean2 · Dec 20, 2017

Riberra said:
Timothy 4:1 clearly talk about the Coming of Jesus and the beginning of His Kingdom...referring to Revelation 20:4-6.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever" at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible.

We then have "the nations" and "wrath" and "the time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

The word "kingdom" or "kingdoms" is not found in Revelation chapter 20.

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Riberra · Dec 20, 2017

BABerean2 said:
The word "kingdom" or "kingdoms" is not found in Revelation chapter 20.

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Revelation 20:4-6 is about THOSE WHO WILL BE BODILY RESURRECTED TO REIGN WITH HIM DURING 1,000 YEARS......

THUS THAT IS A REFERENCE TO JESUS FUTURE EARTHLY KINGDOM ....IF YOU ARE BEHEADED ...OR [still alive unto His Coming -and have not taken the mark nor worship the beast
DURING THE 42 MONTHS REIGN OF THE BEAST YOU ARE ASSURED TO BE PART OF THE FIRST RESURRECTION.

Those on thrones will be the Prophets and the 12 Apostles judging the 12 Tribes of Israel during the millennium Kingdom.....

Luke 22:28-30
28 But ye are they that have continued with me in my temptations; 29 and I appoint unto you a kingdom, even as my Father appointed unto me, 30 that ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom; and ye shall sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, that ye who have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit on the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

DavidPT · Dec 20, 2017

BABerean2 said:
The word "kingdom" or "kingdoms" is not found in Revelation chapter 20.

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But it is found in Daniel 7:22 though, which in turn is referring to Revelation 20:4.

Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

and judgment was given to the saints of the most High(Daniel 7:22)
and judgment was given unto them(Revelation 20:4)
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom(Daniel 7:22)

You probably don't like the idea of Scripture interepreting Scripture when it proves you wrong though, right?

Truth7t7 · Dec 20, 2017

Riberra said:
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Revelation 20:4-6 is about THOSE WHO WILL BE BODILY RESURRECTED TO REIGN WITH HIM DURING 1,000 YEARS......

THUS THAT IS A REFERENCE TO JESUS FUTURE EARTHLY KINGDOM ....IF YOU ARE BEHEADED ...OR [still alive unto His Coming -and have not taken the mark nor worship the beast
DURING THE 42 MONTHS REIGN OF THE BEAST YOU ARE ASSURED TO BE PART OF THE FIRST RESURRECTION.

Those on thrones will be the Prophets and the 12 Apostles judging the 12 Tribes of Israel during the millennium Kingdom.....

Luke 22:28-30
28 But ye are they that have continued with me in my temptations; 29 and I appoint unto you a kingdom, even as my Father appointed unto me, 30 that ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom; and ye shall sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, that ye who have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit on the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Those tribulation saints will have a bodily resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6.

However you disregard the words of Jesus Christ in John 6:40, as it clearly states the tribulation saint that received Jesus as Lord, will be resurrected on "The Last Day".

There is no 1000 year earthly kingdom, where mortal humans are present, after The Last Day resurrection.

The Last Day means exactly what it states.

As Barean has clearly stated, you use "Kingdom" in relationship to Revelation 20:4-6?

There is no earthly kingdom seen as you want to believe, nor is the word even implied or used.

Angel, heaven, devil, Satan, the souls, the dead, God, Christ, 100% spiritual realm.

Its in your desperate desire for a 1000 year earthly kingdom, not to be found any place in the Holy Scripture.

Riberra · Dec 20, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
Those tribulation saints will ha e a bodily resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6.

Good that you finally see that truth in Revelation 20:4-6

Now do you know WHY and FOR WHAT PURPOSE those who will be BEHEADED during the Tribulation will be Bodily Resurrected ?

Truth7t7 said:
However you disregard the words of Jesus Christ in John 6:40, as it clearly states the tribulation saint that received Jesus as Lord, will be resurrected on "The Last Day".

There is no 1000 year earthly kingdom, where mortal humans are present, after The Last Day resurrection.

The Last Day means exactly what it states.

The LAST DAY who is the Great White Throne Judgment ...will happen 1,000 years after the FIRST Bodily Resurrection of Revelation 20:4-6...
Revelation 20:5
5 The REST of the DEAD lived not until the thousand years should be finished. This is the first resurrection.

Truth7t7 · Dec 20, 2017

Riberra said:
Good that you finally see that truth in Revelation 20:4-6

Now do you know WHY and FOR WHAT PURPOSE those who will be BEHEADED during the Tribulation will be Bodily Resurrected ?

The LAST DAY who is the Great White Throne Judgment ...will happen 1,000 years after the FIRST Bodily Resurrection of Revelation 20:4-6...
Revelation 20:5
5 The REST of the DEAD lived not until the thousand years should be finished. This is the first resurrection.

Your Disregard The Entire Post I Presented.

The Tribulation Saint will partake in the First Resurrection with all believers, this will take place on the "Last Day" as John 6:40 clearly teaches.

You act as if John 6:40 and "Last Day" does not exist.

There are two resurrections on this "Last Day" first the righteous, second the wicked, John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:1-2.

You want to teach in error, there are "Two Resurrections" of the believer, 100% Wrong!

Once again, there will be no future 1000 year earthly kingdom at the return of Jesus Christ

Matthew 25:31-46 clearly teaches, that at the return of Jesus Christ, the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom takes place.

Riberra you have been shown the truth of scripture "Several Times", why do you disregard this scriptural truth?

Matthew 25

Verse 31-32 Jesus returns with the angels, nations gathered for judgment.

Verse 34 the eternal kingdom is presented to the righteous.

Verse 41 the wicked are judged to the eternal lake of fire.

Verse 46 the righteous obtain eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34

Why do you pretend Matthew 25:31-46 does not exist, why?

Riberra · Dec 20, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
Your Disregard The Entire Post I Presented.

The Tribulation Saint will partake in the First Resurrection with all believers, this will take place on the "Last Day" as John 6:40 clearly teaches.

You act as if John 6:40 and "Last Day" does not exist.

There are two resurrections on this "Last Day" first the righteous, second the wicked, John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:1-2.

You want to teach in error, there are "Two Resurrections" of the believer, 100% Wrong!

Revelation 20:4-15 is very clear about Two Resurrections separated by 1,000 YEARS...
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Daniel 12:2 say that AFTER the tribulation MANY [THUS NOT ALL] of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake

Daniel 12:1-2
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince who standeth for the children of thy people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

BABerean2 · Dec 20, 2017

Riberra said:
Well Daniel 12:2 say that at that moment after the tribulation MANY [THUS NOT ALL]

(YLT) 'And the multitude of those sleeping in the dust of the ground do awake, some to life age-during, and some to reproaches—to abhorrence age-during.

John 5:27-30.

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BABerean2 · Dec 20, 2017

DavidPT said:
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High(Daniel 7:22)
and judgment was given unto them(Revelation 20:4)
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom(Daniel 7:22)

You probably don't like the idea of Scripture interepreting Scripture when it proves you wrong though, right?

You should know the answer to that better than anyone, based on the fact that you left out Revelation 11:18...

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