Does the Bible teach works must follow God's grace as a part of our salvation?

Kenny'sID · Dec 19, 2017

Winken said:
We cannot be held accountable for the price already paid.

Strange? These people were held accountable by that very same Jesus:

Matt 25:41-46 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

How could that be any more clear?

JIMINZ · Dec 19, 2017

Jason0047 said:
When you read John 6:37, you also have to read John 6:66 where the many disciples left him. Jesus did not go chasing after them. They cast themselves out by choosing to stop in following Jesus. Also, the believer in Matthew 7:23 was surely cast out for Jesus told them to depart from Him because they worked iniquity (sin).

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Your Interpretation of Scripture here is wrong, your trying to say Christians can walk away from their Salvation and you use John 6:66 as your proof.

Knowing how you like the context of the verses, lets use

John 6:64-66.
64) But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

In this verse Jesus points out there were some of His Disciples who believed not.

65) And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66) From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

After Jesus said what He did, may Disciples stopped following Jesus.

Shouldn't we consider those who stopped following Jesus at that point, were those who Jesus had just finished saying Believed not?

It should also be noted at this time,
1) These Disciples were Jews,
2) They were not Saved,
3) They were not Christians, because Jesus had not yet been Crucified,
4) Because Salvation was not yet available to mankind.

Therefore, those Disciples who didn't walk with Jesus any longer, didn't lose their Salvation as you are espousing,
1) Because they didn't believe, as Jesus had said to them,
2) Because they were never Saved to begin with, Jesus had not yet been Crucified.

So then, your whole theory about walking away from Our Salvation, which is based upon your Scripture verse John 6:66 is a Misinterpretation of the verse.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 19, 2017

JIMINZ said:
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David did not have FAITH, BELIEF in Jesus Christ as his Savior and Lord for Forgiveness of sins.

David lived under the Law and was judged by the Law.

David was one of those Jesus went and Preached to for three Days, after his Crucifixion.

There is no other name in heaven whereby men can be saved.

David had faith in the coming Messiah who was Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:11 says, “Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for ‘The righteous shall live by faith.’” Certain folks try to disregard this verse as only applying to the NT, but Paul was referencing Habakkuk 2:4 that says that we are justified by faith, which is an OT concept.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 19, 2017

JIMINZ said:
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WOW, it took you all that time and posting to come to the same conclusion as everyone has been saying to you.

Not by works, but by Grace, through Faith.

No. Jesus saves both in Justification and in Sanctification.

JIMINZ · Dec 19, 2017

Jason0047 said:
There is no other name in heaven whereby men can be saved.

David had faith in the coming Messiah who was Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:11 says, “Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for ‘The righteous shall live by faith.’” Certain folks try to disregard this verse as only applying to the NT, but Paul was referencing Habakkuk 2:4 that says that we are justified by faith, which is an OT concept.

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Your just wrong.

JIMINZ · Dec 19, 2017

Jason0047 said:
No. Jesus saves both in Justification and in Sanctification.

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Could you please expound on that thought, I don't quite get it.

Anguspure · Dec 19, 2017

Jason0047 said:
Hmmmm, if we are feeling guilty, I see repentance as the solution. Repentance is a prayer or call unto God seeking His forgiveness. From that point on, we will then start to see results of us forsaking sin. Especially when we apply what the Bible says in walking righteously.

Repentance is turning towards the person of Christ, trusting and following only Him and His example.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 19, 2017

Blood Bought 1953 said:
David was saved by his faith ,which God counted as righteous....just like Abraham.....just like me....and you too if you believe Paul’s Gospel

Actually, most (and possibly not all) Eternal Security proponents only believe in a half gospel or a milk type only gospel (i.e. The gospel's initial portion that tells them to believe in His death and resurrection - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). This is the milk of the Word that the Corinthians could only accept. It was the only message they could bear because they were still yet carnal (See 1 Corinthians 3:2-3). It's why Paul said he came not to know anything among the Corinthians accept Jesus and Him crucified (1 Corinthians 2:2) because they would not be able to bear the second half of the message of the gospel (i.e. the meat of the Word).

The majority of Eternal Security proponents do not believe in the Bible's full or complete gospel (i.e. the meat of the Word). The second half or truth of the gospel is that Christ died so as to redeem us from all iniquity and so as to live holy and be zealous of good works.

Ephesians 5:25-27
25 “even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.”

Titus 2:14
“Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.”

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14
13 "...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, "

Romans 15:18-19
18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ has not accomplished through me, in word and deed, to make the Gentiles obedient —
19 in mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God, so that from Jerusalem and round about to Illyricum I have fully preached the gospel of Christ. NKJV

Hebrews 5:9
"And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, NKJV

Romans 1:16-18
16 “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;”

What is this faith look like?

James 2:17
“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.”

James 2:24
“Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.”

James 2:18
“shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.”

Hebrews 9:14
“How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God.”

Titus 3:8
“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works.”

1 Peter 4:1-2
1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God

Colossians 1:21-23
21 “And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister.”

Colossians 2:6-7
6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught,”

1 John 1:7
“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”

Bible Highlighter · Dec 19, 2017

JIMINZ said:
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His Faith in what?

According to Paul's Gospel Heb.11 their Faith was in God, our Faith is in Jesus Christ as Savior.

Our Righteousness is in Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

My Faith, Your Faith is in Christ.

Hebrews 11:13
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Hebrews 11:39,40
39) And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40) God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

But if you were to not read Hebrews 11 with a certain bias, you would see that works always followed the faith of the great men of God in the Holy Scriptures.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 19, 2017

Anguspure said:
Repentance is turning towards the person of Christ, trusting and following only Him and His example.

Jesus defined repentance for us.
He said in Matthew 12:41 that the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. If you were to turn to Jonah chapter 3, you would be able to see in Jonah 3:6-10 that the King of the Ninevites had told his people to:

(a) Cry out to God.
(b) Turn from their sins or evil ways.

After the Ninevites had turned from their wicked ways it was --- THEN --- that God decided to turn away from bringing wrath or Judgment upon them.

Proverbs 28:13 says he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy.
1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:7 says that if we walk in the light as he [Christ] is in the light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.

Repentance is something that a believer does when they first come to the faith. They admit they are a sinner to Jesus and ask Him to be forgiven of their sins. They do this with the intention that they will turn away from sin and never do it again. Repentance can also be done on occasion (and not as a lifestyle) by a believer who has walked with God, as well. This would be 1 John 2:1 and 1 John 1:9 (cf. 1 John 1:7).

The parable of the two sons (Matthew 21:28-32) is a lesson also in proper repentance. The son who repented and obeyed the father is the one who repented.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 19, 2017

Jason0047 said:
No. Jesus saves both in Justification and in Sanctification.

JIMINZ said:
Could you please expound on that thought, I don't quite get it.

One part of the Bible appears to say that we are saved without doing anything. The other part of the Bible paints a different picture saying that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God, etc.. How do we reconcile the many passages of Paul with what James says? How do we reconcile faith and works (or a life of holiness)? How do we reconcile Ephesians 2:8-9 and Titus 3:5 with James 2:17, James 2:24, 1 John 3:10, and Titus 1:16, etc.?

The answer is actually really simple. The answer is Jesus Christ.

Jesus saves us by His work that He did with His death, resurrection, and ascension (i.e. Justification - Our belief in Jesus and His work He did for us and by our asking Him to forgive us of our sin).

Jesus also saves us by His work that He does within our life, too (i.e. Jesus saves us in Sanctification, as well). For Jesus was manifested to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8). This would be the works of the devil within your life (i.e. sin). For there is nothing that can tranform or changes lives more than Jesus Christ; That is one of the reasons why God's people preach the good news of Jesus Christ so as to be saved by Him. For Jesus has fixed up broken homes (or familes). Jesus has drawn the alcoholic away from the bottle. Jesus has helped the gambler to put down his cards and walk away from the game. Jesus has helped the drug addict from the power of the needle. Jesus has helped the harlot from being a slave to sexual sin and money. For Jesus Christ changes lives. Jesus changed my life and He continues to change lives today (Making them new creations in His image).

"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
(2 Corinthians 5:17).

Here are three heavy hitter verses that I am hoping will hit a home run with you on this point.

"But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof."(Romans 13:14).

"Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works." (Titus 2:14).

25 "...even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." (Ephesians 5:25-27).

Did you catch what it said in Ephesians 5?
It says Christ gave Himself for the church (i.e. the saints) that He might sanctify and cleanse them by the washing of the water of the Word (i.e. God's Word or Scripture) that He might present to Himself a type of church that is without spot, wrinkle, and who is holy and without blemish. How do we get cleansed by the Word? By obeying the commands within it. Jesus says, "Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you" (John 15:3). And Jesus had said elsewhere, "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed." (John 8:31). For Jesus says, "He that is of God heareth God's words" (John 8:47). On the flipside, Jesus says this can be our reality,
26 "And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it."
(Matthew 7:26-27).

Or the following can be our reality...

"Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God." (Philippians 1:11).

I hope this helps.
And may God bless you.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 19, 2017

JIMINZ said:
Your just wrong.

No, Scripture says,
"Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works," (Romans 4:6). (KJV).

"David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:" (Romans 4:6) (NIV).

"Even as David also pronounces blessing on the man to whom God counts righteousness apart from works," (Romans 4:6) (NHEB).

This would be "Justification" (i.e. Initial Salvation or entrance into God's Kingdom and or how we are ultimately made right with God; "Sanctification" then follows as a natural next step out of "Justification").

Bible Highlighter · Dec 19, 2017

JIMINZ said:
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Your Interpretation of Scripture here is wrong, your trying to say Christians can walk away from their Salvation and you use John 6:66 as your proof.

Knowing how you like the context of the verses, lets use

John 6:64-66.
64) But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

In this verse Jesus points out there were some of His Disciples who believed not.

65) And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66) From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

After Jesus said what He did, may Disciples stopped following Jesus.

Shouldn't we consider those who stopped following Jesus at that point, were those who Jesus had just finished saying Believed not?

It should also be noted at this time,
1) These Disciples were Jews,
2) They were not Saved,
3) They were not Christians, because Jesus had not yet been Crucified,
4) Because Salvation was not yet available to mankind.

Therefore, those Disciples who didn't walk with Jesus any longer, didn't lose their Salvation as you are espousing,
1) Because they didn't believe, as Jesus had said to them,
2) Because they were never Saved to begin with, Jesus had not yet been Crucified.

So then, your whole theory about walking away from Our Salvation, which is based upon your Scripture verse John 6:66 is a Misinterpretation of the verse.

No. They believed for a while and then they later stopped believing. For if they did not believe, then they would not have went out and preached the gospel, etc.

Even the parable of the sower proves that a person can believe for a while.

"...when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away." (Luke 8:13).

Bible Highlighter · Dec 19, 2017

Blood Bought 1953 said:
Century Lady......my favorite worthy foe! Lol....hope things are going well for you and yours.
I don’t worry about any rules.Paul said that if we believe his Gospel—plus nothing—we will be saved. So I don’t care what obstacles are put in my way. Whatever they are, it’s up to God to lead me to overcome them.HE made the promise to save— not me.The onus is on him....His word is at stake, not mine.I did my pArt —- I believed....now I believe that He will do His part and save me.if salvation comes by faith plus eat snow on top of Mt.Everest, God will see to it that is done.if I have to be 90% perfect to get into Heaven,God will see that I am 90% perfect. What a relief to know that HE will finish the work that He started.The man who finds life will find it by trusting God..my Life is abundant, and I never worked for it....It was a gift from God because of my faith...let go and let God!

Anything that God tells us to do is a command, rule, or law.

Faith itself is a rule, law, or command from God (Mark 11:22).
Belief in Jesus is a command, rule, or law from God (1 John 3:23) (Note: This is actually stated as a commandment). So are you not under the command to believe on Jesus?
For the world will be reproved of their sin by the Spirit for the REASON that they do not believe on Jesus Christ (See John 16:8-9).
Also, belief in the gospel is a command, rule, or law from God, too (Mark 1:15).
So you cannot escape God's laws within the New Testament.
Paul was condemning the idea of going back to the Old Testament ceremonial laws to be saved and Paul was condemning the false Pharisee religion that tried to be justified by their own version of Law alone without faith and God's grace. People today have twisted Paul's words into a "do nothing" gospel (whereby they can serve two masters; But Jesus says you cannot serve two masters. For you will hate the one and love the other).

Bible Highlighter · Dec 19, 2017

Winken said:
Jesus incorporated and complied with everything that went before Him. He embodied it all. He paid the price for sin at the Cross. We cannot be held accountable for the price already paid. Our life is to be a witness to others about the saving Grace of Jesus, pointing each one we witness to, to how to become a Believer. One who becomes a Believer no longer longs to commit sin. When a born-again, Spiritually birthed Christian lapses into sin, it is forgiven. 1 John 1:9. God makes it clear that His Spirit will not always strive with one who dwells in sin. That life may be ended, and at the JSoC, the lack of Christian witnessing will be weighed in the balance of earned rewards. As someone said, "by the skin of their teeth" they will survive.

Well, first, why do we have to confess our sins to be forgiven of our sins in 1 John 1:9 if he paid for our sins in the future? Also, 1 John 1:7 says we are to walk in the light as He [i.e. Christ] is in the light and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. So the condition of having the blood cleanse us is to walk in the light of Jesus Christ. This would be obeying His commands. Compare 1 John 1:6-7 with 1 John 2:3-4. They say a similar thing to each other.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 19, 2017

Winken said:
No. Misinterpretation and misapplication of scripture. See Post #15 for insight.

Not at all. See the verses in Post #2.

I also added an update in Post #1 that talks about Ephesians 2:8-9, as well.
It is the last paragraph within the post.

May God's love shine upon you.

Cat Loaf You · Dec 19, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
Actually there is a PLUS.

1 John 3:23
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ AND love one another, as He gave us commandment.

Don't be deceived.

1 John 1:6
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.

James 2:19 "Even the demons believe—and tremble!"

You can't just believe in Jesus to save you, and not DO what He says. For one thing, a true Christian does NOT commit willful sin.

6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

So take that warning to heart, and if you are in one of those liberal churches that does not believe sin can separate you from God - RUN!!!! Your eternal life depends on it.

Actually there is no plus , people who think that need to write a sticker on thier fridge and every time they open it they need to read Psalm 49

7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

8 (For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever

Bible Highlighter · Dec 19, 2017

Cat Loaf You said:
Actually there is no plus , people who think that need to write a sticker on thier fridge and every time they open it they need to read Psalm 49

7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

8 (For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever

Jesus saves not only in Justification, but in Sanctification, too.
For Jesus has helped the drug addict to put down the needle and the gambler to put down his cards.

"But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof." (Romans 13:14).

Anguspure · Dec 19, 2017

Jason0047 said:
Jesus defined repentance for us.
He said in Matthew 12:41 that the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. If you were to turn to Jonah chapter 3, you would be able to see in Jonah 3:6-10 that the King of the Ninevites had told his people to:

(a) Cry out to God.
(b) Turn from their sins or evil ways.

After the Ninevites had turned from their wicked ways it was --- THEN --- that God decided to turn away from bringing wrath or Judgment upon them.

Proverbs 28:13 says he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy.
1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:7 says that if we walk in the light as he [Christ] is in the light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.

Repentance is something that a believer does when they first come to the faith. They admit they are a sinner to Jesus and ask Him to be forgiven of their sins. They do this with the intention that they will turn away from sin and never do it again. Repentance can also be done on occasion (and not as a lifestyle) by a believer who has walked with God, as well. This would be 1 John 2:1 and 1 John 1:9 (cf. 1 John 1:7).

The parable of the two sons (Matthew 21:28-32) is a lesson also in proper repentance. The son who repented and obeyed the father is the one who repented.

Is not Jesus our Lord and our God? If we turn to Him alone we repent of everything that is not who He is.

SBC · Dec 19, 2017

Jason0047 said:
When you read John 6:37, you also have to read John 6:66 where the many disciples left him. Jesus did not go chasing after them. They cast themselves out by choosing to stop in following Jesus. Also, the believer in Matthew 7:23 was surely cast out for Jesus told them to depart from Him because they worked iniquity (sin).

There is a huge difference between being a created thing, being curious and being committed.

There is a huge difference in what a man Receives From the Lord For a man being Created, being Curious or a man being Committed.

The Lord Gives His Spirit To All men, knowing, unknowing, believers, unbelievers, faithful, unfaithful, in different Fashions, For different Purposes, To Different Extents.

A Created man, all begin similar to Adam, regardless of the history and age of the Earth and millions of other people....each person is an individual who Must experience the exact same thing of being thrust into this World Without Choice to be on this Earth.

We are born With certain Instincts Primarily being ... Trust, Getting another's Attention,
Getting what an individual Wants from another, and knowing right From Wrong.

The newborn baby will use these instincts, typically toward its Mother-

As a person Grows, they discover, and are curious to try Trusting other things....

Point being... what One IS Trusting... Has the HAS captured that Individual's Attention.

Point being....we humans are short sighted, limited in knowledge, limited in understanding, weak beings.

Point being- we are wired To easily Trust Something...but Not wired with the Strength and Power To Remain in Trusting the Something.

We are all wired To Trust God...He provides the means for us To First Hear About Him - and From there forward- Each individual Exercises His Own Freewill...

To Listen, Trust, Gain more Knowledge, Follow Along For Awhile, Stop Trusting, follow along again, learn more, doubt, wonder, believe, Trust, Deny, stop Trusting, Return learning more, wonder, believe.....

These are Natural things a Natural Born Person experiences toward pretty much toward everything... Including God.

At some point in an individual's life they experience making COMMITMENT'S.

They Pledge an oath, by their own word, and Seal That Oath...with a handshake, a signature, etc. effecting Their Promise, ie their Oath.

People routinely.... BREAK....their own Oaths.
They do so for endless and Multiple Reasons.

Concerning God ....For a man Who Makes an Oath To God....He does First the Same....by their own word.
Then a handshake? No. A signature? No.
God Looking To Their Truth in their Heart ?
Yes!

And here The Commitment Struck between a man and God....IS NOT.... KEPT....
BY the Strength and Will OF the man.....
But IS KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD, AND HIS SEAL is put upon That man. That man IS FOREVER committed To God ONLY, Above All Other Things.

Does such a man NOW know or understand ALL things? Puffy, No. Not by a long shot.

Will such a man do stupid things? Yes.
Will such a man have contentions with other men, their children, their employers, neighbors, spouses, etc.? Yes.

And? So what? Does Scriptures give one knowledge of what to do about disputes BETWEEN men? Yes.

ARE disputes between men Sin? No.
Is being stupid a Sin? No.

What Does God Forgive a Man For?
The SIN Against God OF DISBELIEF In Him.
The SIN of corrupting your soul.
And ?
The Trespasses one man commits toward another Man...which IS conditional...
Conditions Being;
IF....the man IS committed To God...
IF....the man renders apologies/forgiveness/reparations Between the men FOR (SIN)??...NO.... FOR...
Trespasses Between Men.

SIN is a Transgression Against God.
SIN is Making A Pledge To God with your word, And then NOT KEEPING YOUR WORD!

OT men pledged THEIR Word TO belief IN God, BY Agreeing, TO OBEY His Law.

They Failed repeatedly to Keep their word, and God provided them a WAY to repent and be Forgiven and try again and the Same was repeated over and over.

Then arrives Jesus with the revelation OF a PERMANENT Forgiveness And The Power Given To KEEP A Man From Ever Again Sinning Against God.

THAT method ie WAY...REQUIRES... AS before, The mans word of COMMITMENT!

However THE Commitment Is NOW KEPT FOREVER By the Power of God, Not the weakness of man.

It is paramount for a man to Know What he is not only Committing TO... but ALSO what Are the TERMS of the Commitment and what they Mean.

Grabbing a scripture and pretending it Applies, When it DOES Not Apply...IS A Faulty error, that leads to Unecessary contention among men.

A man COMMITTED TO the Lord Jesus Christ....is Completely Set Apart FROM All other men Not commited To Christ.

There IS NO Valid comparing them To other men....
Not the curious, the wondering, the iffy kind of following and departing, the denying, the doubting, the believing Without commitment, the atheists, those who choose to still be Under the Law....etc.

A man Committed To Christ the Lord Jesus IS Committed IN Complete Fullness IN:
Thee Lord God Almighty...
And it IS BY the Fullness OF
Thee Lord God Almighty that such a man;
SHALL Never Again SIN Against Thee
Lord God Almighty
OR BE separated From
Thee Lord God Almighty.

Such a man IS FOREVER sealed BY and UNTO
Thee Lord God Almighty.

Yes Salvation IS provided For All....
But that Gift comes With Conditions....

An individual HAS to CLAIM AND RECEIVE That Gift...or forgo it...thus Lose it.

Just as you would have to CLAIM and RECEIVE and any other gift.

Every Gift Available For one To Claim it, RECEIVE it, enjoy the benefit of it.....

HAS a TIME LIMIT.

If one Does Not claim Or RECEIVE the Gift within their own personal Allotted Time frame.... they personally Lose it.

1 John 1:9 Applies to me.
Which Instantly should notify others, that an enormous amount of scriptures DO NOT APPLY to me or others WHO have become made Whole and Born OF God.

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Does the Bible teach works must follow God's grace as a part of our salvation?

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Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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