God is not going to answer all our ethical questions

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But there can be no evil without a good yardstick to measure evil by.

Agreed. Any ethics needs a standard of the good in order for one action to be preferable to another.

And there can be no good with moral law.

I personally find the legal analogy to be weak. Morality isn't necessarily like a legal code with "legal" and "illegal" actions. It can be more like a user's manual that gives an understanding of practices and consequences (such as the warning: "there is an electrocution risk for drying your hair while in the bathtub"), and advice for the proper care and maintenance of one's life. That fits the concept of a standard.

and no moral law without a lawgiver

There are no laws without lawgivers, but there can be an understanding of the good without lawgivers. The good can be a function of what one is, rather than what a cosmic entity commands.

So for the atheist good and evil do not exist.

Simply untrue in my case. I don't believe in divine command theory in ethics, but that does not mean that I don't have a concept of "good". I certainly do, but it has nothing to do with "laws".

Men's endless opinions yes but not fixed moral law.

Oh, I believe that the standard of the human good is determined by their natural function, and is thus "fixed". Human well-being is what it is.

Atheism has only matter to work with, not morality--that's sneaking outside the physical....borrowing from God.

Atheism does not say that morality does not exist, or that concepts do not exist.


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Agreed. Any ethics needs a standard of the good in order for one action to be preferable to another.



I personally find the legal analogy to be weak. Morality isn't necessarily like a legal code with "legal" and "illegal" actions. It can be more like a user's manual that gives an understanding of practices and consequences (such as the warning: "there is an electrocution risk for drying your hair while in the bathtub"), and advice for the proper care and maintenance of one's life. That fits the concept of a standard.



There are no laws without lawgivers, but there can be an understanding of the good without lawgivers. The good can be a function of what one is, rather than what a cosmic entity commands.



Simply untrue in my case. I don't believe in divine command theory in ethics, but that does not mean that I don't have a concept of "good". I certainly do, but it has nothing to do with "laws".



Oh, I believe that the standard of the human good is determined by their natural function, and is thus "fixed". Human well-being is what it is.



Atheism does not say that morality does not exist, or that concepts do not exist.


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"But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised" (1 Cor 2.14 nas)
 
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"But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised" (1 Cor 2.14 nas)

Replying to someone like that certainly does save precious time and effort addressing points in a constructive way.


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One key way is by seeing if we trust Him in times of trials, difficulties...
An all knowing god would already know the answer to that.
 
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"But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised" (1 Cor 2.14 nas)
A few are hungering after God and may have one burning Q that they want an answer to. Good. Yet give some others 25 answers and it's not enough. They love the chase not a solution. Which are you, my friend? What would it take for you to resolve your Q?
 
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A few are hungering after God and may have one burning Q that they want an answer to. Good. Yet give some others 25 answers and it's not enough. They love the chase not a solution. Which are you, my friend? What would it take for you to resolve your Q?

Is there any particular reason you are talking to yourself?

I have my own solutions, thanks. I'm not interested in any chasing, though I do appreciate dialog with others.


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"But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised" (1 Cor 2.14 nas)
"Christians will never understand atheists, because they just don't listen." (Freodin, CF 2017)
 
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