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Yes; some know about where the ten tribes are, but it is God's purpose for now, that they remain hidden to general knowledge.
It is we Caucasian peoples who have fulfilled the prophesies of Jacob and Moses for the ten 'lost' tribes. We are the ones who have accepted the Salvation offered by Jesus. We are the 'lost sheep of the House of Israel' and all who stand strong in their faith during the forthcoming testing times ahead, will experience the incredible blessings that the Lord will lavish upon His people. Jeremiah 33:6-14, Hosea 2:14-23, Ezekiel 36:8-12, +
But note that ethnicity does not mean any true believers are precluded from this. Isaiah 56:1-8 says all who are righteous are His people. Psalms 37:29

Yes, one of the reasons why God has not revealed it to all peoples just yet is because of not wanting to alienate the Gentile believer on Christ. But Christ's enemies know it, which is why they have been busy for centuries trying to destroy western monarchs God set over His people in the west. It's also why the Islamic radicals are lining up for a direct attack upon our lands in the west with their radicals migrating to Europe and the U.S.
 
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No, I was comparing bible verses to bible verses - not your interpretation.

What I wrote was that there are no verses in Matthew 24, in the bible, after verse 15, the abomination of desolation - comparable to the verse in Luke 21 about the dispersion of the Jews into the nations, following the desolation of Jerusalem.

Thank you, that clarifies what you were saying.

So then you believe Matthew 24:15-21 is about the future, but Luke 21:20-24 is about 70AD?
It is agreed that Luke 21:20 is about 70 AD.

So then you believe Jesus gave 2 different version of the olivet discourse?

Typically we look at all 3 gospels to give us the full story, but Ill compare just the 2 that we are currently talking about:

Matthew 24:15
So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’a spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—

Luke 21:20
When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near.
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Matthew 24:16-18
then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak.

Luke 21:21
Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city.
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Matthew 24:19-21
How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

Luke 21:23-24
How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Again, don't forget the disciples believed they were living in the last days:

Acts 2:16
No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17“ ‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people.

1 Corinthians 10:11
These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come.

Hebrews 1:2
2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

So it's important to understand what the end is context of Israel, because the kingdom of God will never end, but the old covenant with national Israel did end.
 
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Thank you, that clarifies what you were saying.

So then you believe Matthew 24:15-21 is about the future, but Luke 21:20-24 is about 70AD?

Exactly. But I would go a step futher and say the end times generation is now, based upon Jerusalem being the fig tree, and the future - not being a long time into the future, but sometime before the end of 2037 for completion of the prophecies.

And not later than the end of 2030 for the confirming of the covenant (Mt. Sinai covenant) by the person acting in the role of the Antichrist - which is what makes him the Antichrist is that he will have been anointed the King of Israel.

So we would have the ten kings (leaders) come to power, then the little horn, then Gog/Magog take place - then following, the 7 years of Daniel 9:27. The confirming of the Mt. Sinai covenant is something Moses required all future leaders of Israel - which that would include the person in question - on a 7 years interval.

It is just a big speech the person will give televised to the nation of Israel and the world - that God gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel as theirs forever.
From the temple mount - something that can't be done now because of the Muslim Waaf situation.


Right now the big argument is who's land is it - Islam say it's theirs, and that the Jews robbed it. - and vow to drive them into the sea. So it is easy to see after the destruction of Gog/Magog, how that is going to play out as a big speech from the temple mount by the person the Jews will think is their messiah.

So then you believe Jesus gave 2 different version of the olivet discourse?

Typically we look at all 3 gospels to give us the full story, but Ill compare just the 2 that we are currently talking about:

Matthew 24:15
So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’a spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—

Luke 21:20
When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near.

I wouldn't call Luke 21 the olivet discourse because unlike Matthew 24, Luke 21 did not take place on the Mt. of Olives. Go back to the first 4 or 5 verses of Luke 21. Luke 21 was taking place at the temple.

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Matthew 24:16-18
then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak.

Luke 21:21
Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city.
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Matthew 24:19-21
How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

Luke 21:23-24
How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

I note the similarities. The immediate action in both cases is to leave Jerusalem. Likewise, there is a
similarity of escape historically, to the escape when Jesus returns to the Mt. of Olives in Zechariah 14.

Zechariah 14:
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Since the Mt. of Olives has not been split. And the splitting involves a time when the Jews are back in Jerusalem - we can know there is a lot of prophecy still left.


Again, don't forget the disciples believed they were living in the last days:

I agree that was their general belief.

So it's important to understand what the end is, because the kingdom of God will never end, but the old covenant with national Israel did end.

Actually we (non-Jews) were never a part of the Mt. Sinai covenant to start with. Concerning bible prophecy, it has to be separated what is going to happen - as to containing events that are in opposition to God...such as the "Anti" the Christ, the messiah, anointed as the King of Israel - for a short time.
 
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I did say that.

If Jesus did not fulfill the Law then we are still under the Law. What part the Law did Jesus not fulfill???

If you mean by 'fulfill' to 'do away with', then there are many of God's laws Jesus did not do away with that still exist for the Church and society. See 1 Timothy 1.

It literally does not say that in verse 18. What does not one jot or tittle passing from the Law mean to you???

It does however say UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, nothing, not one jot or tittle, will pass from the Law.

This leads us to an apparent contradiction if it is about the physical heavens and earth passing away, as the law did change: Hebrews 7:12

For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

What Jesus said in Matt.5:18 is easy to understand using common sense. A jot or tittle is about the letter markings in the Hebrew manuscripts of the Old Testament Books. All He is saying is everything written to occur for THIS present world must come to pass before the heavens and the earth pass away. Simple as that. So their ain't... no contradiction in that.

It just appears you don't know what all God's law is about, and I don't care to get into any silly debates about that with you. So good luck with your supposed contradictions.
 
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If you mean by 'fulfill' to 'do away with',

No, I mean accomplish.

then there are many of God's laws Jesus did not do away with that still exist for the Church and society. See 1 Timothy 1.

Agree, are the laws of no stealing and no coveting done away with? Of course not. Will they be done away with in heaven? Of course not.

A jot or tittle is about the letter markings in the Hebrew manuscripts of the Old Testament Books.

Agree

All He is saying is everything written to occur for THIS present world must come to pass before the heavens and the earth pass away. Simple as that. So their ain't... no contradiction in that.

Again, that’s not what he says at all. He says nothing about the Law would change UNTIL heaven and earth pass away and UNTIL it is all accomplished. You even agree that SOME parts of the Law have changed. He even elaborates right after in verse 19:

19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments (the Law) and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:19

Do you obey and teach others to keep circumcision? Festivals? Sabbaths? Animal sacrifices? That priests must come from tha tribe of Levi?

Looks like Paul might be in trouble:

Circumcision was required by the Law

I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.
Galatians 5:2


Food restrictions were in the Law

Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats.
Romans 14:20

The sabbath and festivals were in the Law

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
Colossians 2:16

No more purpose for animal sacrifices

And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,
Hebrews 10:11-12

A priest not from the line of Levi

For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well. For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
Hebrews 7:12,14

It just appears you don't know what all God's law is about

And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
Matthew 22:37-40

silly debates about that with you.

I would disagree that it is silly, and say these scriptures are very important to discuss. But you are entitled to how you feel about it.
 
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I wouldn't call Luke 21 the olivet discourse because unlike Matthew 24, Luke 21 did not take place on the Mt. of Olives. Go back to the first 4 or 5 verses of Luke 21. Luke 21 was taking place at the temple.


If we have to get technical as you state Luke 21 doesn’t say he was on the mount of olives, then we have to be technical also that it doesn’t say he was in the temple either.

In marks gospel, they leave the temple right after the widow’s offering, then Jesus proceeds to give the olivet discourse.

In Luke’s gospel, Jesus gives the olivet discourse right after the widows offering. Now, if this occurred in the evening, then it would definitely be on the mount of olives:

And every day he was teaching in the temple, but at night he went out and lodged on the mount called Olivet.
Luke 21:37
 
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If we have to get technical as you state Luke 21 doesn’t say he was on the mount of olives, then we have to be technical also that it doesn’t say he was in the temple either.
In Luke 21, Jesus was speaking from where the woman had given her two mites into the treasury. Where would that had been? Where was Jesus teaching at that time?

Luke 21
37 And in the day time he was teaching in the temple; and at night he went out, and abode in the mount that is called the mount of Olives.

38 And all the people came early in the morning to him in the temple, for to hear him.

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In marks gospel, they leave the temple right after the widow’s offering, then Jesus proceeds to give the olivet discourse.

In Luke’s gospel, Jesus gives the olivet discourse right after the widows offering. Now, if this occurred in the evening, then it would definitely be on the mount of olives:
No, you have made some wrong conclusions. Jesus was not on the mount of Olives in Luke 21, but.... afterward......Jesus would be on the way to the Mt of Olive.

Mark 13 picks up as Jesus and some of the disciples had left the temple, having observed the widow in Mark 12 in the last few verses, and in Mark 13 are on their way to the Mt. of Olives.

Once Jesus got to the Mt. of Olives in verse 3 , Peter, James, John, Andrew asked him privately....


which Jesus did not speak to them about the destruction of Jerusalem, but their persecution, and the gospel ultimately being preached to all nations, then the abomination of desolation signaling the great tribulation and his return.
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Matthew 24 would correspond to Mark 13, as being the Olivet discourse. While Luke 21 took place n the temple complex, aforehand, before the crowd there, listening to him.

Matthew 24:
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?



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In Luke 21, Jesus was speaking from where the woman had given her two mites into the treasury. Where would that had been?

Before the Olivet Discourse, Jesus was in the temple when the woman gave 2 mites. This is recorded in Mark 12:41-44 and Luke 21:1-3. Both of these events take place right before the olivet disourse.

So you believe Jesus talked about the woman who gave 2 mites on 2 separate occasions right before the 2 different discourses?

Where was Jesus teaching at that time?

When Jesus was talking about the 2 mites offering from the widow, he was in the temple. Now matthew doesn't record the story of the widow. So is that olivet discourse different than the one in mark?

And in the day time he was teaching in the temple; and at night he went out, and abode in the mount that is called the mount of Olives.

This sets the time. We know Jesus was in the temple during the day and left in the evening to go to the mount of Olives. This can be confirmed that it was evening in Matthew and Mark when he had gone to the mount of olives. In order to prove his location, we have to know what time it was. However, the gospel of luke does not record what time it was when he gave the discourse.

No, you have made some wrong conclusions. Jesus was not on the mount of Olives in Luke 21, but.... afterward......Jesus would be on the way to the Mt of Olive.

In mark, the widow and her 2 mites takes place in the evening, which is why Jesus left the temple.
Are you saying that the widow and her 2 mites is a different story in Luke?

It never says Jesus left after giving the discourse.

Matthew 24 would correspond to Mark 13, as being the Olivet discourse. While Luke 21 took place n the temple complex, aforehand, before the crowd there, listening to him.

Where does it say a crowd was listening to him in Luke 21?

In Luke 21, Jesus was speaking from where the woman had given her two mites into the treasury. Where would that had been? Where was Jesus teaching at that time?

Luke 21
37 And in the day time he was teaching in the temple; and at night he went out, and abode in the mount that is called the mount of Olives.

38 And all the people came early in the morning to him in the temple, for to hear him.

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No, you have made some wrong conclusions. Jesus was not on the mount of Olives in Luke 21, but.... afterward......Jesus would be on the way to the Mt of Olive.

Mark 13 picks up as Jesus and some of the disciples had left the temple, having observed the widow in Mark 12 in the last few verses, and in Mark 13 are on their way to the Mt. of Olives.

Once Jesus got to the Mt. of Olives in verse 3 , Peter, James, John, Andrew asked him privately....


which Jesus did not speak to them about the destruction of Jerusalem, but their persecution, and the gospel ultimately being preached to all nations, then the abomination of desolation signaling the great tribulation and his return.
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Matthew 24 would correspond to Mark 13, as being the Olivet discourse. While Luke 21 took place n the temple complex, aforehand, before the crowd there, listening to him.

Matthew 24:
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

The gospels were written by different authors, hence the differences in the gospel.

Do you believe that Jesus rose from the grave twice? because the stories aren't exactly the same:

Read the story of the resurrection form all the gospels. They are all pretty different, with different details, does that mean they are about different resurrections? of course not. So just because there a are differences between the olivet discourse, doesn't' mean they are different events.

Here are examples from Luke and John:

Luke 24:9-12
When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. 10It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles. 11But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like nonsense. 12Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away, wondering to himself what had happened.

John 20:1-10
Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!”
3So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. 4Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter came along behind him and went straight into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7as well as the cloth that had been wrapped around Jesus’ head. The cloth was still lying in its place, separate from the linen. 8Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed. 9(They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.) 10Then the disciples went back to where they were staying.
 
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When Jesus was talking about the 2 mites offering from the widow, he was in the temple. Now matthew doesn't record the story of the widow. So is that olivet discourse different than the one in mark?
Where was Jesus in Matthew 23, prior to Matthew 24 ?

Mark 12 - in the temple complex, followed by Mark 13 at the Mt. of Olives
Matthew 23 - in the temple complex, followed by Matthew 24 at the Mt of Olives

Luke 21 - in the temple complex.
 
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Where does it say a crowd was listening to him in Luke 21?
Just start working your way back through Luke 21 to Luke 20.

Luke 20:1
1 And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

Luke 20:45 Then in the audience of all the people he said unto his disciples,
 
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Since the YouTube video was removed, I can't comment on it.

But here's a look at how I see the Seals...

1st Seal - (assumed first seal; doesn't really say 1st seal) - one on a white horse wearing a victory wreath for a crown (Greek stephanos means 'to twine') and having a bow of cheap fabric (Greek toxon). This rider is pointing to the coming pseudo-Christ of Matt.24:

If that rider were Jesus, He wouldn't be coming on the 1st Seal to conquer the world. Jesus comes to conquer this world at the end of the tribulation, not before it.

This rider is the false messiah. The reason why it is given as a first warning in Rev.6 is because it is the first thing Jesus warned us about in His Olivet Discourse:

Mark 13:5
5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:
KJV


2nd Seal - a red horse, i.e. a war horse. That's the sign in His Olivet Discourse where He warned that we shall hear of wars and rumors of wars, but... the end is NOT YET. (Matt.24:6). So as long as wars are going on, the events for the very end of this present world, are not yet. And the very end is about these tribulation events when the majority will believe world peace and safety has come on earth (1 Thess.5).

3rd Seal - black horse, balances, measure of wheat for a penny, etc. - it's about the balances of commerce. The expression of a measure of wheat for a penny is put for having to work all day just to buy a loaf of bread. Weak economy and inflation it's pointing to. But don't hurt the Oil or the Wine, which are Biblical symbols of God's Truth by The Holy Spirit and our Lord Jesus' Blood shed on the cross.

4th Seal - a pale horse; Death riding on it. Hell followed with him. Power over 4th part of earth to kill with with 1) a sword, 2) hunger, 3) death, 4) beasts.

That I believe is more in the spiritual sense than literal sense, reason being because in Rev.9 those not sealed with God's Seal are not allowed to be killed by the devil's servants. And per Amos 8:11, the famine for the last days is not for bread or water, but for hearing The Words of The LORD. "Death" is being used as a title for Satan.

This Seal parallels the signs Jesus gave in Matt.24 & Mark 13 about famines and troubles and earthquakes is divers places, i.e., the beginning of sorrows. I believe we are very close to this point today.

5th Seal - the souls under the altar

The direct parallel to those yet to be slain as they were is in Mark 13:9-13 and Matthew 24:9-10. That is pointing to the future time of great tribulation.

6th Seal (Part I) - great earthquake, sun becomes black, moon appears as blood, stars fall as untimely figs.

Parallel is Mark 13:14-23 and Matthew 24:15-28 about the time of great tribulation with the false messiah in Jerusalem working great signs and wonders to deceive with.

This is the actual timing of the false rider on the white horse. Remember, the 1st Seal label is not specifically mentioned back at Rev.6:1 ("one of the seals"). The stars falling like untimely figs is pointing to the idea of a winter fig that grows early and then falls off in the spring. The idea is about the false messiah who comes first, before our Lord Jesus does, and falling away to bow to that false one in place of our Lord Jesus (2 Cor.11). We are to wait for our Lord Jesus' coming after that. This is why Apostle Paul was warning us about this in 2 Thess.2, because some false ones were trying to claim a different order of events for Christ's return with fake letters as if from Paul and the Apostles.

6th Seal (Part II) - heaven departed as a scroll, every mountain and island moved, kings of the earth and every great man try to hide from the wrath of The Lamb (Jesus). This is pointing to the day of Christ's second coming on the day of The Lord and 7th trumpet when He will take over all kingdoms on this earth.

This attempt to hide in the rocks and wanting for the mountains and hills to fall on them is also covered in Luke 23 when Jesus was speaking of the deceived. It is about their shame when the True Messiah suddenly appears, and the deceived are shocked because of going after the false messiah who comes first.

If the he or entity that sat on the first horse is the antichrist who are the he’s or entities that set upon the other three horses?

Could not these riders parallel Zechariah 6? Those riders are clearly spirits, Zechariah 6:5
 
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The US is Babylon, Trump is Lucifer, the king of Babyon.

Trump is not Lucifer and the US is not Babylon! The US does not fit into Revelation 17-18. Try looking for Mystery Babylon in the middle east, Saudi Arabia might be a good place to start.
 
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Where was Jesus in Matthew 23, prior to Matthew 24 ?

In the temple complex, same with all 3 gospel accounts of the discourse.

Luke 21 - in the temple complex

Yes, In Luke 20 and the beginning of Luke 21 he is in the temple complex.

In Luke’s version of the olivet discourse we are given different details of the olivet discourse then the other gospels. Just like how Luke gives different details of the ressurection.

This leads both of us to make assumptions. I’m assuming that this did take place on the mount of olives, even though it doesn’t say that. You are assuming it takes place in the temple, even though it doesn’t say that either.

Just start working your way back through Luke 21 to Luke 20.

Again, this is an assumption. It does not say in Luke 21 that he was speaking to a crowd, but to his disciples.
 
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Where was Jesus in Matthew 23, prior to Matthew 24 ?

Mark 12 - in the temple complex, followed by Mark 13 at the Mt. of Olives
Matthew 23 - in the temple complex, followed by Matthew 24 at the Mt of Olives

Luke 21 - in the temple complex.
Do you believe in 2 different ressurection events of Jesus, as the accounts between the gospels are much different?
 
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So then you believe Matthew 24:15-21 is about the future, but Luke 21:20-24 is about 70AD?

Exactly.

Matthew is referring to events that will occur after a present day temple is built in Jerusalem and Luke is referring to the events of 70AD.
 
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Our church just made a live YouTube Bible study on Revelation 6 and future events. We touched the first 6 seals. What are your opinions on it?
Most people pull the first seal out of its early church context. In Chapter 5 John saw Jesus ascend back to His throne in heaven. That sets the timing to around 32 AD. No one can find 2000 years in the next verses, because John did not write them in. IN CONTEXT the first seal is the CHURCH taking the GOSPEL to the world - exactly as Jesus commanded them to do.

Seals 2, 3 and 4 are to represent the devil's attempts to stop the advance of the gospel, to keep in hemed in to the 1/4 of the earth centered on Jerusalem. Of course in spite of wars, pestilences, famines, etc, the gospel has gone out to every nation of the world.

Seal 5 is the martyrs of the church age. They are told they must wait for the very last martyr of the church age. The church age will end with the pretrib rapture. Any martyrs after this will be Day of the Lord or 70th week martyrs.
 
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Most people pull the first seal out of its early church context. In Chapter 5 John saw Jesus ascend back to His throne in heaven. That sets the timing to around 32 AD. No one can find 2000 years in the next verses, because John did not write them in. IN CONTEXT the first seal is the CHURCH taking the GOSPEL to the world - exactly as Jesus commanded them to do.

Seals 2, 3 and 4 are to represent the devil's attempts to stop the advance of the gospel, to keep in hemed in to the 1/4 of the earth centered on Jerusalem. Of course in spite of wars, pestilences, famines, etc, the gospel has gone out to every nation of the world.

Seal 5 is the martyrs of the church age. They are told they must wait for the very last martyr of the church age. The church age will end with the pretrib rapture. Any martyrs after this will be Day of the Lord or 70th week martyrs.
Then most people would be correct
 
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Exactly.

Matthew is referring to events that will occur after a present day temple is built in Jerusalem and Luke is referring to the events of 70AD.
The gospels were written by different authors, hence the differences in the different accounts of the same story.


If you believe the discourse in Luke and Matthew are different , then Do you believe Jesus rose from the dead multiple times as there are differences in the ressurection story between the gospels?

Matthew 28:1-20
1. Mary and Mary are told by angel to tell the disciples Jesus is risen.

2. Mary and mary run into Jesus on the way.

3. Jesus meets the disciples in Galilee for the 1st time

Mark 16:1-19
1. Mary and Mary don’t tell anyone about the empty tomb or angel, as they were afraid.

2.Jesus appears only to Mary Magdalene. Then she tells others

3. Jesus appeared to the 11. Location not mentioned in Mark.

Luke 24:1-50
1. Mary M, Joanna, mary, and other women are at the tomb and go tell the disciples. Only Peter is reported to return to the tomb to see for himself

2. Jesus appears to “2 of them” on the road to Emmaus. 1 of them is named Cleopas.

3. Jesus appears to the 11 in Jerusalem for the 1st time.

John 20:1-29

1. Mary Magdalene only sees that the tomb is empty (no angel). She tells peter and John. They both run to the tomb.

2. After this Jesus talks to Mary M at the tomb, then She runs to tell the disciples.

3. Jesus appears to disciples at unknown location.
 
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Then most people would be correct
No, pulling a verse out of its context is never correct. But perhaps it just doesn't bother you to do it. In context, the first seal was broken as soon as Jesus ascended. Just so you know, that would be 2000 years or so TOO SOON for the Antichrist.

Next, John used the color white 17 other times in Rev. and never to represent anything evil. He always used white to represent righteousness. In fact, there is not even one single word in the 1st seal description that would even hint of evil.

I will grant you, if the Antichrist were writing Revelation, he would want to color himself white, but sorry, it is GOD's book, and He used John to do the writing. And God chose white for this seal and colored the dragon fiery red.

There is simply no reason to even think the first seal is to represent the antichrist. However, since it was opened around 32 AD, right when Jesus ascended, it is perfect timing with the church taking the gospel to the world.
 
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