About the deep nature of God

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Well, I frightened myself with two apparently contradictory words of the scripture, then found an explanation that filled me with fullness. Of course, it's still can't avoid cautiousness and I would call it a theory. I just wish you to live the same fullness.
It's about the all-powerfullness of God, which was asserted by Gabriel to Mary. Nothing's impossible to God , apparently contradicted by thé impossibity in which 2 timothy 2,13 tells that Hé is to deny Himself.
Well, after wandering in misunderstanding, it occured to me that this impossibility comes from à spontaneity of His, That makes His good nature transparent to any observer.
In french, wé have an expression to tell this: one reads in you like in an open book.
And this doesn't make Him unable to be all powerful. It's consistent.
I hope it brings you happiness
 

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As disciples we often may be spontaneous, and indeed and in truth must be, following the Shepherd, being as the wind - people can hear, but don't know where it is going, nor where it came from.

YHWH, of course, is never spontaneous Himself, though it may appear that way to humans.
He always knew everything about all He would do from Creation thru the Return of Yeshua and eternally before and after (He is never surprised).

All of His Word, Plan and Purpose and Salvation for little children (whoever is saved) is perfectly and always consistent and perfect and every detail always having been always known to Him.
 
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He always knew everything about all He would do from Creation thru the Return of Yeshua and eternally before and after (He is never surprised)
I 'm sorry to have doubt: Do you think He was pretending not to know the answer to this question He asked to Adam, after the latter told Him he was hiding because he was naked: would you have eaten from the bad tree ? And so on with Eve.
Personnally, I don't imagine God to be pretending to do anything, namely to not knowing. The difference between the being and the appearing.
 
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I frightened myself with two apparently contradictory words of the scripture

As you haven't said which words you think are contradictory it is difficult to know what you were thinking.

Can you explain how God speaking through an angel about what he can do is contradicted by an apostle telling a preacher to deny himself and to serve God with all he has?
 
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I 'm sorry to have doubt: Do you think He was pretending not to know the answer to this question He asked to Adam, after the latter told Him he was hiding because he was naked: would you have eaten from the bad tree ? And so on with Eve.
Personnally, I don't imagine God to be pretending to do anything, namely to not knowing. The difference between the being and the appearing.
From a 'human' perspective, 'pretending' may be one way to put it at first. Later, we learn that He Reveals to men WHAT HE WANTS TO REVEAL, nothing more, nothing less.....
Since YHWH ALREADY had planned and scheduled ALL of our lives, before the world was created,
yes, and simply, YHWH knew everything the man He Created was ever going to do, as He also knows everything we ever do or plan to do (Yes, He knows all the thoughts and intents of our hearts also, and reveals that He knows throughout His Word).
 
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yeshuaslavejeff said:
He always knew everything about all He would do from Creation thru the Return of Yeshua and eternally before and after (He is never surprised)
I 'm sorry to have doubt: Do you think He was pretending not to know the answer to this question He asked to Adam, after the latter told Him he was hiding because he was naked: would you have eaten from the bad tree ? And so on with Eve.
Personnally, I don't imagine God to be pretending to do anything, namely to not knowing. The difference between the being and the appearing.

Hello again Peter2 - God wasn't pretending anything. Of course He knew where they were and what had happened. He was simply asking the people concerned the questions, for their education (and ours). I think even in French we often ask questions that we already know the answer to, n'est-ce pas? :)
Go well
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As you haven't said which words you think are contradictory it is difficult to know what you were thinking.
Hello John,
1: nothing is impossible to God, testimony of His all-powerfulness.
2:Hé cannot deny Himself, looking like a testimony of non-all-powerfulness
 
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I think even in French we often ask questions that we already know the answer to, n'est-ce pas?
Bien-sûr, shoetoyou, but I think it's as very bad behaviour, for it gives bad feelings to the person you're speaking to, but in case hé or she is not sensitive anymore to this habit. What's more, by doing so, people make fun of truth, even if infinitésimally, and it's not right for your relationship to it.
O,y es, if you smile, you can make a joke of your pretending not knowing .
 
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Bien-sûr, shoetoyou, but I think it's as very bad behaviour, for it gives bad feelings to the person you're speaking to, but in case hé or she is not sensitive anymore to this habit. What's more, by doing so, people make fun of truth, even if infinitésimally, and it's not right for your relationship to it.
Dear Peter2 - I find your way of thinking strange. Why should asking questions one knows the answer to be, "very bad behaviour"? It's a way of teaching, of stimulating thinking and debate.
Go well
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PS je suis pas Shoetoyou :)
 
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Sorry not to call you with your name, afishamongmany,
Dear Peter2 - I find your way of thinking strange. Why should asking questions one knows the answer to be, "very bad behaviour"? It's a way of teaching, of stimulating thinking and debate.
It's evident though that there is no stimulation for he who already knows, and that ask for the information..
As for the teaching, you're right, and Jesus often did,, but he was known to be teaching, for he was also sometimes called Rabbi, or even teacher. In my first post, God is not, Who is inquiring
 
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YHWH, of course, is never spontaneous Himself, though it may appear that way to humans.
Hello ysj,
I dug and remembered the behaviour of the father of the prodigal, when he was back home. How would you call, besides mercy, the immediate feelings that could have inspired it ? And to be more precise, how would you call what inspired their displaying ?
 
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Hello John,
1: nothing is impossible to God, testimony of His all-powerfulness.
2:Hé cannot deny Himself, looking like a testimony of non-all-powerfulness
Why do you think that there is a contradiction here?
God is all powerful, but he cannot go against hgis character or do that which is illogical.
So God does not lie, nor does he make square circles.

As you have not said which verses are in contradiction it isn't possible to go deeper.

May I suggest you become familier with the logical work of William laine Craig's web site reasonable faith.
or make use of google, as there are no new problems, someone will have had this problem and will have answered it.
 
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Hello ysj,
I dug and remembered the behaviour of the father of the prodigal, when he was back home. How would you call, besides mercy, the immediate feelings that could have inspired it ? And to be more precise, how would you call what inspired their displaying ?
Do you mean the true love reprented in the parable, of the father for his son? And the son for his father?

Their love was, as it were a lifetime love, deep and lasting and true. Not spur of the moment. (even the prodigal's remembrance when he realized how good his father's servants had life, compared to his own with the pigs)...
Their emotions , unreliable, but their sorrow while separated real, and their joy on reunion great and truthful.
When this happens in real life, likewise
the emotions, unreliable, and sorrow and joy may be real and somewhat dramatic due to human entanglements,
but YHWH'S knowledge of all events was already known to YHWH - no surprises.
He Reveals His Word, as He Pleases - we do not know anything of Him unless He chooses to Reveal it, and we only know as He Reveals .
 
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Hello ysj,
Their love was, as it were a lifetime love, deep and lasting and true. Not spur of the moment
I always thought so.

but YHWH'S knowledge of all events was already known to YHWH - no surprises.
The word "spontaneity" I made use of doesn't refer to an expression of emotion, nor is due to previous ignorance. It refers to an expression of joy. You were right to teach me precision and I thank you
 
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