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The Jewish cultural phrase of his hour had not yet come, really just implies that "his time had not yet come". In this regard context becomes everything to the accompanying phrase, because if you said his time has not yet come, then the question that begs is for what?

In the case of the wedding at Galilee, the context is his wedding day. This is a very simple context to extrapolate, in order to associate it with the phrase that his time had not yet come, when he weds his bride that is.

It really comes down to context and the reasoning behind the preposition, given the phrase is generic in use and is not unique to a specific event.
He wasnt talking about his wedding day. Atleast i think he was talking about his ministry. What does a wedding have to do with running out of wine etc...? Lol
 
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Why doesnt Jesus know the hour except the father? Why cant he know?
I believe you must take into account the fact that when Jesus spoke those words He was speaking from the position of His humanity to which He temporarily lowered Himself from His glorified heavenly state, coming as a servant on behalf of mankind and in full submission to the Father. I have no doubt that He now, in His resurrected and glorified state, knows the day and the hour of His return.
 
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I believe that many of us forget that Jesus was jewish. So, in the Jewish sense, what He said made sense as a human. The Jewish family would have the man provide and prepare his house. When the house was ready, then the Father would tell him to go and get his bride. Jesus is preparing homes for His people (He tells us this in John 14:1-4). So, before we go to the divine aspects, let us look at Jesus human side. He was in fact God in the flesh(we do not deny that). So, back to what I was saying: After the Father(God) had been assured that everything was in order then he would tell the son(Jesus) to go and get His Bride(rapture).

BINGO! It is regarding the Jewish marriage. Yeshua said "In my Father's House are many dwellings...I go and prepare a place for you" John 14 The Father would let the groom know when it was time to go get his bride. Before the groom would leave, the groom would give a cup of wine to the bride. If she drank it, she accepted the proposal and the couple were joined in a covenant of betrothal. The groom would have to pay a bride price (mohar). From that moment on, the bride was sanctified. Does this sound familiar? When the groom returned for his bride it was usually at night. Although the bride was expecting her groom to come for her, she did not know the exact time of his coming. As a result the groom's arrival would be preceded by a shout. This shout would forewarn the bride to be prepared for the coming of the groom. Once the groom received his bride, they would go to the ceremony and feasting would last 7 days.
 
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He wasnt talking about his wedding day. Atleast i think he was talking about his ministry. What does a wedding have to do with running out of wine etc...? Lol

In addressing your question of "What does a wedding have to do with running out of wine?"

A little biblical background about wine.....

A drink-offering of wine was presented with the daily sacrifice ( Exodus 29:40 Exodus 29:41 ), and also with the offering of the first-fruits ( Leviticus 23:13 ), and with various other sacrifices ( Numbers 15:5 Numbers 15:7 Numbers 15:10 ). Wine was used at the celebration of the Passover. And when the Lord's Supper was instituted, the wine and the unleavened bread then on the paschal table were by our Lord set apart as memorials of his body and blood.

Joel states.......

The LORD replied to them: "I am sending you grain, new wine and olive oil, enough to satisfy you fully; never again will I make you an object of scorn to the nations. (Joel 2:19)

The new wine that Jesus created is the wine of his new covenant, which is related to his blood sacrifice and is solely tied in the consecration of his bride, the Church.

The symbolism of the wedding at Galilee is that the wedding organiser is the Father in Jewish tradition and the bridegroom is the Son and the bride is the Church.

Please note that he was asked to produce wine towards the end of the wedding, as the final consecration of the bride.

Jesus would say.....

"My time has not yet come"

This phrase is directly associated with the wedding supper of the lamb of God, at the time of the consecration of the bride, towards the end of the harvest, where Jesus will produce the best tasting matured (sanctified) wine, so that it leaves the Father to comment.....

"You have kept the best wine until now!"

When the final consecration of the body and wine comes, then the saying is made.....

7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. (Revelation 19:7-8)

These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Revelation 7:14)

Wine is the symbol of the blood of the lamb of God and when the bride is made herself ready, means it is time for the bride to....

"buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut. (Matthew 25:10)

The oil and wine in context to the wedding supper of the lamb of God is part and parcel of his coming to finally call up his bride onto him, in her final consecration.

Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. (Joel 2:16)

Please reflect on what Jesus said in context to the wedding at Galilee and discern that he was speaking of his wedding day to come.

"My time has not yet come"

Was it his time when he would be crucified or his time when he would return for his bride?

The two clues is the chronology of the wedding events in Galilee, they being, that the wine was running out, and towards the end of the wedding.

We can picture this event of wine running out, towards the end of the harvest, when taking into consideration the falling away, that was taught by Paul.

The wine of the harvest is the discipleship throughout the world, when it heads towards running out within the context of the falling away, then Jesus performs the miracle of producing a wine unlike any other, a wine that is so matured in faith, that the Father is well pleased of.

Is it not ironic that his first miracle was the turning of water into matured wine and how befitting and prophetic it would be for him to perform this in his body of believers, as the final miracle, before his coming as the bridegroom, before calling his bride up, to his place, that he prepared in his Father's house.
 
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In addressing your question of "What does a wedding have to do with running out of wine?"

A little biblical background about wine.....

A drink-offering of wine was presented with the daily sacrifice ( Exodus 29:40 Exodus 29:41 ), and also with the offering of the first-fruits ( Leviticus 23:13 ), and with various other sacrifices ( Numbers 15:5 Numbers 15:7 Numbers 15:10 ). Wine was used at the celebration of the Passover. And when the Lord's Supper was instituted, the wine and the unleavened bread then on the paschal table were by our Lord set apart as memorials of his body and blood.

Joel states.......

The LORD replied to them: "I am sending you grain, new wine and olive oil, enough to satisfy you fully; never again will I make you an object of scorn to the nations. (Joel 2:19)

The new wine that Jesus created is the wine of his new covenant, which is related to his blood sacrifice and is solely tied in the consecration of his bride, the Church.

The symbolism of the wedding at Galilee is that the wedding organiser is the Father in Jewish tradition and the bridegroom is the Son and the bride is the Church.

Please note that he was asked to produce wine towards the end of the wedding, as the final consecration of the bride.

Jesus would say.....

"My time has not yet come"

This phrase is directly associated with the wedding supper of the lamb of God, at the time of the consecration of the bride, towards the end of the harvest, where Jesus will produce the best tasting matured (sanctified) wine, so that it leaves the Father to comment.....

"You have kept the best wine until now!"

When the final consecration of the body and wine comes, then the saying is made.....

7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. (Revelation 19:7-8)

These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Revelation 7:14)

Wine is the symbol of the blood of the lamb of God and when the bride is made herself ready, means it is time for the bride to....

"buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut. (Matthew 25:10)

The oil and wine in context to the wedding supper of the lamb of God is part and parcel of his coming to finally call up his bride onto him, in her final consecration.

Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. (Joel 2:16)

Please reflect on what Jesus said in context to the wedding at Galilee and discern that he was speaking of his wedding day to come.

"My time has not yet come"

Was it his time when he would be crucified or his time when he would return for his bride?

The two clues is the chronology of the wedding events in Galilee, they being, that the wine was running out, and towards the end of the wedding.

We can picture this event of wine running out, towards the end of the harvest, when taking into consideration the falling away, that was taught by Paul.

The wine of the harvest is the discipleship throughout the world, when it heads towards running out within the context of the falling away, then Jesus performs the miracle of producing a wine unlike any other, a wine that is so matured in faith, that the Father is well pleased of.

Is it not ironic that his first miracle was the turning of water into matured wine and how befitting and prophetic it would be for him to perform this in his body of believers, as the final miracle, before his coming as the bridegroom, before calling his bride up, to his place, that he prepared in his Father's house.
Maybe thats what you think. I think differently. And that doesnt sound like what that means. And i think youre forcing it and going way too deep into this. :-/
 
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Maybe thats what you think. I think differently. And that doesnt sound like what that means. And i think youre forcing it and going way too deep into this. :-/

that is EXACTLY what it means...
 
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I believe you must take into account the fact that when Jesus spoke those words He was speaking from the position of His humanity to which He temporarily lowered Himself from His glorified heavenly state, coming as a servant on behalf of mankind and in full submission to the Father. I have no doubt that He now, in His resurrected and glorified state, knows the day and the hour of His return.

that has NOTHING to do with it...
 
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Maybe thats what you think. I think differently. And that doesnt sound like what that means. And i think youre forcing it and going way too deep into this. :-/

I find your response a bit bewildering and odd to say the least, considering that your post asked for an answer involving a deeper understanding.

Now that many posters have provided you a deeper understanding to your thread question, maybe now is the time you present your deep understanding of the matter, rather than reporting to play from a position of ignorance.

Is it not fair what I have requested of you?
 
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I find your response a bit bewildering and odd to say the least, considering that your post asked for an answer involving a deeper understanding.

Now that many posters have provided you a deeper understanding to your thread question, maybe now is the time you present your deep understanding of the matter, rather than reporting to play from a position of ignorance.

Is it not fair what I have requested of you?
wow maybe ill just be quiet now..
 
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I need multiple paragraph responses from you, because these days two lines can be construed as an AI bot response.

I want to be sure that I am responding to a person, since you have revealed nothing about your deep thoughts in relation to the matter, other than probing responses, for the sake of information gathering in what seems to me to be a data base knowledge aquisition of an AI system.

You reported to be confused, but your responses tend to be short and assertive and therefore are contrary to a position of confusion.
 
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well what i read said he doesnt know the hour so i dont understand why would he know at the wedding the hour

Again your responses are assertive and two line responses, which is leading me to believe that I am in dialogue with an AI system.

Again if you are a person, no disrespect meant, but if in case you are an AI, you have been discovered and your cover is blown.
 
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Again your responses are assertive and two line responses, which is leading me to believe that I am in dialogue with an AI system.

Again if you are a person, no disrespect meant, but if in case you are an AI, you have been discovered and your cover is blown.
What are you talking about? I am a real person.
 
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Mat 24:43
But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

1 Thessalonians 5:1
But of the times and the seasons (YHWH's Appointed Times), brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. (Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits, Pentecost, Trumpets, Atonement, Sukkot)

4
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Revelation 3:3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

YESHUA Knows the day He is returning...

Jhn 21:17
He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou Me? Peter was grieved because He said unto him the third time, Lovest thou Me? And he said unto Him, Adonai, thou knowest all things; Thou knowest that I love Thee. YESHUA saith unto him, Feed My sheep.

Col 2:3

In Whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

And by the way, the verse that says no one knows the day and hour, Is regarding the day Heaven and Earth will pass away, Not the Second Coming... Which does not occur until the end of the Millennium...


Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My Words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only.



Mark 13:31
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but My words shall not pass away. 32 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

He comes as a thief to the wicked, and those who do not watch, And if they don't follow His feasts, then they are not watching and He will come upon them as a thief...

HE despises your feast days, they profit nothing... christmas easter etc etc...
 
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