Why doesnt Jesus

Jenniferdiana said:

Why doesnt Jesus know the hour except the father? Why cant he know?

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Jesus IS GOD , God Is Omnipotent God IS all knowing
Jesus was speaking to Jews in a Jewish culture
In America there are many statements that people know the response
ask :
What's up doc?
what goes up must......?
knock knock jokes ... knock knock who's ...........?
what's black and white and red(read) all over ?
Mom speaking to child ....Just you wait till your father gets home!
You're Grounded!

Jesus was speaking to Jews in a manner in which they can relate to , in this case the ancient Jewish wedding , EVERYONE in that day knew the process that ONLY the father knows what day and hour the wedding ceremony would be held as the bride and groom played no part in setting it up , it would take a year to get this prepared and done solely by the father of the bride . When someone would ask , when is the big day ? they would respond in saying , ask my father as only he knows when.
Jesus did know but it was not for mankind to know
If Jesus said he knew but says he will not say when, people would think he did not know.

It is also to prevent satan from knowing the hour as well;
as satan knows the scriptures , just as when King Herod set out to kill the Messiah by killing all male children 2 years old and younger as he was hoping to kill messiah before His ministry would take place ,
just think of how things would be now if he had accomplished it , This is why Mary had to take her baby to another place where they could hide

DavidPT said:

I can see why you might conclude that, yet I myself don't see Jesus having meant it like that.

Though I generally prefer the KJV, the following translation seems to be making Jesus' point a bit clearer.



Weymouth New Testament

John 3:13 (WNT) There is no one who has gone up to Heaven, but there is One who has come down from Heaven, namely the Son of Man whose home is in Heaven.

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If you are not sure what something means you should go back to greek because it's more precise.
Click -John 3:1 (KJV)

It's
G5607

Being in heaven , not his home in heaven

The Father and the Son don't want anyone knowing because, that will reveal God's master piece of master pieces of moves, that will checkmate the enemy.

Jenniferdiana said:

Why doesnt Jesus know the hour except the father? Why cant he know?

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This is one of those questions that is largely understood in Christianity to be part of the Mystery of the Incarnation. We confess that Christ, being God and man, is indeed truly both God and human. Which means that we say God was born, that He has a mother, that God suffered, bled, and died; and yet all of those statements are inherently contradictory. We are saying God, who cannot suffer, suffered; God, who cannot die, died. He could be born, He could suffer, and He could die because He is truly human.

And so we read both that as Jesus aged He "grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor before both God and men" (Luke 2:52), being that as a human being He grew, matured, learned; and we also read that Jesus knew the hearts and thoughts of men (Matthew 12:25, Luke 5:22, Luke 6:8).

How could He both know all things, being God; and yet there be things He did not know, being human?

Some have sought to explain this by proposing the Kenosis Theory, the word kenosis is Greek and means "emptying" and is taken from Philippians ch. 2 where St. Paul says that Christ became human and "emptied" Himself; the Kenosis Theory interprets this to mean that Christ laid aside His Divinity in the Incarnation. The problem is that this goes against the historic teaching of Christianity, that Jesus is truly both God and human in the perfect union of His one, undivided Person. He does not becomes in any way less-than-God, He remains truly and fully God. This theory often either overlooks, or else ends up rejecting, the fact that the Incarnation is not temporary, Jesus did not stop being human; our Lord Jesus is a human being even now, seated at the right hand of the Father, and He remains forever God-and-man.

It would instead be preferable to simply confess that there are aspects of the Incarnation which remain paradoxical and enigmatic. Yes, Jesus is God and God knows all things, and yet there were some things Jesus did not know; yes, Jesus is a human being and therefore is subject to the material world the same as any other human being, and yet He could command the waves and wind to stop by merely saying, "Silence! Be still!" The Incarnation, ultimately, isn't about us having a fully comprehensible understanding of so great a mystery: it is about confessing the absurd, scandalous, and wonderful truth that God became man and dwelt among us.

-CryptoLutheran

There is a clue to why the hour remains hidden....

10The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”

11He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.12Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see;

though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:

“ ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;

you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.

15For this people’s heart has become calloused;

they hardly hear with their ears,

and they have closed their eyes.

Otherwise they might see with their eyes,

hear with their ears,

understand with their hearts

and turn, and I would heal them.’a

16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

I believe that God uses a method called entrapment to deal with the Lukewarm, after all he did warn about those Lukewarm who get caught out, like the five foolish virgins and the servant who associated with the drunkards and the sinners of the world because he presumed that the Lord will delay his coming.

Definition of entrapment....

the action of allowing someone into committing a crime in order to secure their prosecution.
"his style of investigation constitutes entrapment"

So, Jesus will allow the Lukewarm to fall, hence Paul states before his coming there must first come the falling away.

Cat Loaf You said:

Father came to earth in form of Son of God , you can't separate them these 3 are in 1 (everybody forgets HS ;c ) . I have like plenty of verses to show you for example these two :

There is only one God

Isa 45:22
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Only God can pay the price for your sins
Psalm 49
7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
15 But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave: for he shall receive me. Selah.

God will provide himself a lamb ( when you read in hebrew it's like God will appear himself as offering )
Genesis 22
8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.


Jesus Christ is the Father also
John 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Isa 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus Christ was in heaven while being on earth in that same time , because he is both Father , Son and Holy Spirit because these three are one and you can't separate them .

John 3
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:


Jesus literally said that he is in heaven while being on earth talking to Nicodemus

Hope it helps .

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I also picked up on the OT part where it reads God was offering himself as the lamb. Considering that there is nothing Holy enough to actually be a sacrifice that would warrant us seeing him face to face, the only thing would be him to do what he did.
The reason Jesus himself did not know and only the Father knows, is because Jesus is the Word. Had the Father put it in the Word, Jesus would therefore know. Since the Father did not put the day and hour into his Word, but only the events that would occur during the day and hour, the day and hour are unknown to everyone including the Son until they transpire. Thus how Jesus fulfilled the Word written. As it also will be during that day and hour.
The Word is unveiled according to the Father's will. The Word did not write itself. Though they are still one, as his Word is the radiance and glory of himself. That is why they are always in accord, and never truly separate.
A rough analogy in my head would be that the paper and pen do not know what they contain until it is written, nor do they know the mind of the writer until it is revealed. They do according to the writer's hand as he wills it. If the writer writes that "it is to be continued at a later time", the paper and pen do not know when it will be continued, only the writer. Nothing ever truly separates what has been written from the author who penned it, for it is written from the recesses of one's true nature.
The Father is the writer.
For edification, God's Word is not just the written, as clearly seen in the events described in Genesis; the heavens and the earth and all the powers thereof, here shown to be spoken into existence.
Also, as written in Daniel, there is things that are written but sealed until the time of the end. The Father knows the time that it is to be unsealed.

At the moment, there are two camps of Christianity, those who are vigilant and feel that the times we live in are at hand and there are those who play it down by saying these things have always happened and nothing knew will happen. In other words the lukewarm perceive that the Lord delayeth his coming.

4They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly (2 Peter 3)

I truly believe it is to entrap the Lukewarm camp, who are strongly delusioned in not fathoming the times and just continuing as if everything will happen the same.

So not revealing the day or hour, is to purge the Lukewarm. As Jesus said he will vomit them out.

Jenniferdiana said:

I just want to mention that when i asked "why cant he know?", i meant something different. I should have asked "why doesnt the father want him to know?" because thats what i was really asking. I see some of you thought differently like i thought he knew..Sorry for that and for you reading it the wrong way..i guess its kinda like reading a translation of the bible.. :-/

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I understood you the first time.

And I think that you ask the excellent questions.

"Why cant He know?"

"Why doesn't the Father want Him to know?"

There has to be a reason but what could it be?

What exactly is going to happen on that day and at that hour?

Peaceful Sabbath.

The Times said:

At the wedding at galilee, where Jesus performed the miracle of turning water into wine, his mother had informed him that they had no wine, then Jesus responded by stating the following.....

what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. (John 2:4)

Jesus obviously was alluding to his hour, when his wedding would be, at the consecration of his bride, at the end of the world.

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I'm not too sure that I agree with you on this one. I don't think that He's talking about the end of the world. There were various other times where they tried to grab Him, or when He was avioding a trip to Jerusalem where it was written: "His hour had not yet come", or: "My hour has not yet come."


Here is a great explanation from Jennifer Rothnie Housewife, Artist, Perpetually Curious at eBible:

What did Jesus mean by "My hour has not yet come"?

The Times said:

At the moment, there are two camps of Christianity, those who are vigilant and feel that the times we live in are at hand and there are those who play it down by saying these things have always happened and nothing knew will happen. In other words the lukewarm perceive that the Lord delayeth his coming.

4They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly (2 Peter 3)

I truly believe it is to entrap the Lukewarm camp, who are strongly delusioned in not fathoming the times and just continuing as if everything will happen the same.

So not revealing the day or hour, is to purge the Lukewarm. As Jesus said he will vomit them out.

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I agree with you on this one. I think that the times ARE at hand. He is right at the door. And that's exactly what the lukewarm will say, "these things have always happened". I know that there has to be some fear, or denial. People don't want to admit, or are able to accept, that we might be at the end now.

I wanted to know even if it meant knowing the day of my own death here. Not everyone wants to know that. The carnal mind wants to think that it will live forever. But I think we are so close to that day and that hour that it might not even be the right thing to talk about. I don't know.

Be silent before the Lord.

Be silent before the Day of the Lord.

Silent night.

Peaceful Sabbath.

I know that multiple translations have gotten things wrong before but here is what some of them say:

Mark 13:32 (YLT)
`And concerning that day and the hour no one hath known--not even the messengers who are in the heaven, not even the Son--except the Father.

Mark 13:32 (SLT)
And concerning that day and hour none knows, nor the messengers in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Mark 13:32 (ASV)
But of that day or that hour knoweth no one, not even the angels in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Mark 13:32 (ESV2011)
“But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Mark 13:32 (HCSB)
“Now concerning that day or hour no one knows — neither the angels in heaven nor the Son — except the Father.

Mark 13:32 (NET)
“But as for that day or hour no one knows it – neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son – except the Father.

Mark 13:32 (KJV)
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Mark 13:32 (TR)
περι δε της ημερας εκεινης και της ωρας ουδεις οιδεν ουδε οι αγγελοι οι εν ουρανω ουδε ο υιος ει μη ο πατηρ

I don't want to distort what Jesus said because whatever he said is the right way to understand the mysteries. there are no words higher than his. probably since the nature of the Trinity is still mostly darkness to all, we won't understand.

John 10:29 (YLT)
my Father, who hath given to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to pluck out of the hand of my Father;

John 14:12 (YLT)
`Verily, verily, I say to you, he who is believing in me, the works that I do--that one also shall do, and greater than these he shall do, because I go on to my Father;

John 14:28 (YLT)
ye heard that I said to you--I go away, and I come unto you; if ye did love me, ye would have rejoiced that I said--I go on to the Father, because my Father is greater than I.

I think people are so far away from understanding the nature of reality that we won't be able to have a clear understanding about God talking of his own internal processes even though we are in them.

MyGivenNameIsKeith said:

I also picked up on the OT part where it reads God was offering himself as the lamb. Considering that there is nothing Holy enough to actually be a sacrifice that would warrant us seeing him face to face, the only thing would be him to do what he did.
The reason Jesus himself did not know and only the Father knows, is because Jesus is the Word. Had the Father put it in the Word, Jesus would therefore know. Since the Father did not put the day and hour into his Word, but only the events that would occur during the day and hour, the day and hour are unknown to everyone including the Son until they transpire. Thus how Jesus fulfilled the Word written. As it also will be during that day and hour.
The Word is unveiled according to the Father's will. The Word did not write itself. Though they are still one, as his Word is the radiance and glory of himself. That is why they are always in accord, and never truly separate.
A rough analogy in my head would be that the paper and pen do not know wt hat they contain until it is written, nor do they know the mind of the writer until it is revealed. They do according to the writer's hand as he wills it. If the writer writes that "it is to be continued at a later time", the paper and pen do not know when it will be continued, only the writer. Nothing ever truly separates what has been written from the author who penned it, for it is written from the recesses of one's true nature.
The Father is the writer.
For edification, God's Word is not just the written, as clearly seen in the events described in Genesis; the heavens and the earth and all the powers thereof, here shown to be spoken into existence.
Also, as written in Daniel, there is things that are written but sealed until the time of the end. The Father knows the time that it is to be unsealed.

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Yea , people try to look for date of rapture in OT but it's impossible for it to be here , because if that was the case then Paul could not call it mystery . Christ did not reveal it in any form because it was still mystery untill Paul .

1 Cor 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Cat Loaf You said:

Yea , people try to look for date of rapture in OT but it's impossible for it to be here , because if that was the case then Paul could not call it mystery . Christ did not reveal it in any form because it was still mystery untill Paul .

1 Cor 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

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2 Corinthians 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
Matthew 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mark 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
It could be nearer than you think.

MyGivenNameIsKeith said:

2 Corinthians 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
Matthew 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mark 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
It could be nearer than you think.

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Hopefully this year

Cat Loaf You said:

If you are not sure what something means you should go back to greek because it's more precise.
Click -John 3:1 (KJV)

It's
G5607

Being in heaven , not his home in heaven

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One thing I'm quite certain of, Jesus wasn't meaning He was both on the earth and in heaven at the same time. That is easily debunked via the following for one. That being that He eventually returned to heaven and was no longer seen dwelling on the earth among men. Why ascend back to heaven if He is already there? How is that supposed to make sense? You do believe the account in Acts 1, right? Meaning the following.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

The text indicates---which is taken up from you into heaven. Totally pointless if He was already in heaven. Jesus is a single being, not multiple beings. He would have to be multiple beings if He was physically on the earth and physically in heaven at the same time.

DavidPT said:

One thing I'm quite certain of, Jesus wasn't meaning He was both on the earth and in heaven at the same time. That is easily debunked via the following for one. That being that He eventually returned to heaven and was no longer seen dwelling on the earth among men. Why ascend back to heaven if He is already there? How is that supposed to make sense? You do believe the account in Acts 1, right? Meaning the following.

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This is the worldly way of viewing things.
Remember it is written even of ekklesia, born ones of YHWH immersed in Yeshua's Name, that we ARE SEATED with HIM in the HEAVENLIES while we are still walking this earth, now, today.

Cat Loaf You said:

Yea , people try to look for date of rapture in OT but it's impossible for it to be here , because if that was the case then Paul could not call it mystery . Christ did not reveal it in any form because it was still mystery untill Paul .

1 Cor 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

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It is still a mystery, unknown to most.
Note HOW MUCH of a mystery in 1 Corinthians 15:51 .
Note how many think NONE of us sleep. (see? still a mystery) (and lots of false teachings everywhere practically)

yeshuaslavejeff said:

This is the worldly way of viewing things.
Remember it is written even of ekklesia, born ones of YHWH immersed in Yeshua's Name, that we ARE SEATED with HIM in the HEAVENLIES while we are still walking this earth, now, today.

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In this case I am meaning in a physical sense, and not in a spirit sense. When Jesus was physically dwelling on the earth 2000 years ago, He was not also at the same time dwelling physically in heaven as well.

[URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/2%20Corinthians%204%3A18']2 Corinthians 4:18 - Bible Gateway
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/2%20Corinthians%204%3A18
So we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are unseen; for the things which are visible are temporal [just brief and fleeting], but the things which are invisible are everlasting and imperishable.[/URL]
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians+1:15-18&version=NASB
Colossians 1:15-18 NASB - He is the image of the invisible God ...
Bible Gateway passage: Colossians 1:15-18 - New International Version...
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Colossians 1:15 - Bible Gateway
Colossians 1:15 - Bible Gateway
Now Christ is the visible expression of the invisible God. He existed before creation began, for it was through him that every thing was made, whether spiritual or material, seen or unseen. Through him, and for him, also, were created power and dominion, ownership and authority. In fact, every single thing was created ...

Jenniferdiana said:

Why doesnt Jesus know the hour except the father? Why cant he know?

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Good question. I think that the correct answer would be to appeal to the Hypostatic Union and to say that Jesus in his humanity does not know (limited human knowledge). But Jesus in his divinity does know (divine omniscience).