"The Passion Translation": You are Jesus Christ's Equal

amariselle · Dec 15, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Nothing then. (Nothing to do with the post I posted that you quoted)

I have no idea why you are in disagreement with what I wrote in that case.

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 15, 2017

amariselle said:
I have no idea why you are in disagreement with what I wrote in that case.

You included something as if in response to my post that you quoted, which had nothing , apparently still, to do with the post that you quoted.

amariselle · Dec 15, 2017

1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. - Hebrews 4:1-11

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 15, 2017

amariselle said:
You should really finish that verse about "entering his rest."

Only Satan wants us to fear that maybe we are not really saved.

Actually, YHWH warns all His people, and all the secular ones He wants to warn also,
about
the danger of thinking one is saved when they are not. (and multitudes FIND OUT THIS ON JUDGMENT DAY - they SHOULD HAVE BEEN AFRAID !! because they missed out on LIFE)

amariselle · Dec 15, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
You included something as if in response to my post that you quoted, which had nothing , apparently still, to do with the post that you quoted.

My point is, Scripture is clear, those who believe and have been saved need not fear damnation and the second death.

God bless.

amariselle · Dec 15, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Actually, YHWH warns all His people, and all the secular ones He wants to warn also,
about
the danger of thinking one is saved when they are not. (and multitudes FIND OUT THIS ON JUDGMENT DAY - they SHOULD HAVE BEEN AFRAID !! because they missed out on LIFE)

How are we saved? Does Scripture tell us we can have assurance of salvation?

amariselle · Dec 15, 2017

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. - 1 John 5:10-13

amariselle · Dec 15, 2017

Galatians 3

3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

amariselle · Dec 15, 2017

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. -Romans 9:30-33

amariselle · Dec 15, 2017

1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above)

7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.-Romans 10:1-13

amariselle · Dec 15, 2017

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. - John 3:14-18

amariselle · Dec 15, 2017

27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. - John 6:27-40

Blade · Dec 15, 2017

amariselle... are these people you talk about here? So you know they have a facebook page and you can just chat with them.. pray with them.. talk to them about how you feel right? Well love ya but..they are not here. I know people do still talk about the late Oral Roberts. What I did being no one.. is I went to that man himself and asked him about. He talked to me. I just treat others how I want to be treated.

YES I under stand what you see/read. But to talk about someone that is not here can not defend themselfs is not what Christ does. Again I READ what you do. That being said..

Copelands "little gods" again I had real questions so.. I went to them.... in this case and I love them I believe they are of God.. I just don't agree with all the teach. Talking to them.. you have a FAR GREATER chance of taking a personal trip about Heaven with Jesus then ever talking to them.

I listen to ALL of what they say on that.. and its nothing like people say. Jesus saying quoting David "ye are gods". I can SEE how some could get this wrong. My take on that verse is like me saying.. you belong to GOD kind of talk.

Yet.. it would be foolish to just toss this away. Well it is written "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"

What I do hear from them and those like them is "JESUS is the ONLY way to the Father. You must be born again" There is so much more to this. Even ALL the angels in heaven.. can not call GOD their Father. My boys.. are NOT ME...but they are like me. So.. I can SEE how some can take this to far.

"makes me His equal". So ask them all the questions you want to ask. To just post some posts by them... one then speculates one exactly what they mean. Do you know for FACT what Paul meant "let this mind be IN YOU that was IN Christ"? One is going to have to pray seek ask the Father.. ask Yeshua.

So.. there not here..

amariselle · Dec 15, 2017

Blade said:
amariselle... are these people you talk about here? So you know they have a facebook page and you can just chat with them.. pray with them.. talk to them about how you feel right?

I have posted on their Facebook page, several times. They also have a very public ministry, and I will not ever be able to sit down with them personally and discuss these concerns.

Blade said:
Well love ya but..they are not here. I know people do still talk about the late Oral Roberts. What I did being no one.. is I went to that man himself and asked him about. He talked to me. I just treat others how I want to be treated.

You were fortunate then, most times they will not respond in any way. I've actually been blocked entirely for even asking questions (respectfully) from one page.

Blade said:
YES I under stand what you see/read. But to talk about someone that is not here can not defend themselfs is not what Christ does. Again I READ what you do. That being said..

You do know that Paul "named names", right? I am not gossiping about anyone, nor bearing false witness. Public ministries must be publically exposed. This is not some private grievance, this is a very public issue and it's deceiving many.

Blade said:
Copelands "little gods" again I had real questions so.. I went to them.... in this case and I love them I believe they are of God.. I just don't agree with all the teach.

The Copelands and their numerous heretical teachings are indeed of great concern.

Blade said:
Talking to them.. you have a FAR GREATER chance of taking a personal trip about Heaven with Jesus then ever talking to them. I listen to ALL of what they say on that.. and its nothing like people say. Jesus saying quoting David "ye are gods". I can SEE how some could get this wrong. My take on that verse is like me saying.. you belong to GOD kind of talk.

Yet.. it would be foolish to just toss this away. Well it is written "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"

What I do hear from them and those like them is "JESUS is the ONLY way to the Father. You must be born again" There is so much more to this. Even ALL the angels in heaven.. can not call GOD their Father. My boys.. are NOT ME...but they are like me. So.. I can SEE how some can take this to far.

"makes me His equal". So ask them all the questions you want to ask. To just post some posts by them... one then speculates one exactly what they mean. Do you know for FACT what Paul meant "let this mind be IN YOU that was IN Christ"? One is going to have to pray seek ask the Father.. ask Yeshua.

So.. there not here..

I guess some may think Paul shouldn't have publically named names and exposed people either. Nor confronted Peter publically and corrected him, publically.

False teachers must be exposed. People are being led astray by these large ministries and teachers.

Whether they are saved or not is not for me or anyone else to say. Whether they teach sound doctrine, is for all Christians to test and discern and when false doctrine is taught, to warn.

God bless.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 15, 2017

amariselle said:
Works that are not what save us. Salvation is by grace through faith, not of works.

Your not listening. Please read Hebrews 11. It shows that faith produces good works. Same is true with Ephesians 2:8-9. It is followed by verse 10 that says, "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." (Ephesians 2:10).

Ephesians 2:10 says there are good wrks which God has previously ordained that we should walk in them. This is not an option.

Hebrews 11 is a theme. It is showing us that faith produces works. You cannot have faith that does not eventually lead to good works. For faith without works is dead. There are exceptions like with the thief on the cross, etc. But most have to live our their faith and that involves works. So when you fight against the idea that we need works, you are fighting against the faith because works are a part of our faith. They are not two separate entities. Works flow out of our faith and is a part of our faith. That is what you are not getting. The problem is that you see "doing good" as being evil and "committing sin" while under God's grace as being good. You have things backwards. God is good, and He wants His people to be good, too (Which is a reflection of Himself). For we are created in God's image after all.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 15, 2017

AGTG said:
Unfortunately, very few are going to stand up against this. That's why it's gotten so bad, but I wonder how much longer this will go on. It's looking like the devil has the majority of self-proclaimed Christendom under wraps and now he is just focusing on making war against the legitimate saints who won't tolerate the delusion.

Yes, it is true that Jesus is God and He is not our equal. To say so otherwise is really wrong. But it is just as bad to teach that one can sin and still be saved, too. For it is turning God's grace into a license for immorality. Christ did not die so that we can continue in our sins.

amariselle · Dec 15, 2017

Jason0047 said:
Yes, it is true that Jesus is God and He is not our equal. To say so otherwise is really wrong. But it is just as bad to teach that one can sin and still be saved, too. For it is turning God's grace into a license for immorality. Christ did not die so that we can continue in our sins.

Will you answer my questions now?

amariselle · Dec 15, 2017

Jason0047 said:
Your not listening. Please read Hebrews 11. It shows that faith produces good works. Same is true with Ephesians 2:8-9. It is followed by verse 10 that says, "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." (Ephesians 2:10).

Ephesians 2:10 says there are good wrks which God has previously ordained that we should walk in them. This is not an option.

Hebrews 11 is a theme. It is showing us that faith produces works. You cannot have faith that does not eventually lead to good works. For faith without works is dead. There are exceptions like with the thief on the cross, etc. But most have to live our their faith and that involves works. So when you fight against the idea that we need works, you are fighting against the faith because works are a part of our faith. They are not two separate entities. Works flow out of our faith and is a part of our faith. That is what you are not getting. The problem is that you see "doing good" as being evil and "committing sin" while under God's grace as being good. You have things backwards. God is good, and He wants His people to be good, too (Which is a reflection of Himself). For we are created in God's image after all.

Please show me where I said committing sin is "good" and "doing good is evil".

Quote me directly on that, thanks.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 15, 2017

amariselle said:
Okay. Let me ask you a few things.

Alright.

You said:
Since you have been saved, have you worried about anything?

"Worry" as in allowing it to consume me over my trust and love in God? No.
Is it a sin to be concerned or troubled about something?

You said:
Have you been unjustly angry with anyone?

Not that I can recall... no.
I was not usually an angry person before I was saved and after accepting Christ, that of course normally increased. I believe in hating the sin and not the sinner. But even anger should be controlled. For we are to pray, love, and do good towards our enemies.

You said:
Have you kept all your promises to others or done what you said you would do perfectly?

With the exception of the "Promise We Make to God" and the "Promise We Make in Marriage", Scripture says that we are not to make promises or vows. We are simply to say "Yes, I will do it" or "No, I will not do it."

You said:
Have you helped every single person you could have helped and in every way that you were able to help them?

If I see a person in need, I try to help; But I do need to take extra steps in doing more to help those who are in need. Why? Well, because I do realize that if I do not help the poor in this life, that I can be cast into everlasting fire. So it is important that I always continue to make this an important part of my life. Matthew 25:31-46 talks about not helping the poor in this life as having dire consequences for us.

You said:
Have you been lazy?

Laziness is a relative term. Someone might think I am being lazy, but I could be praying or writing to someone online who is in emotional tatters in their faith and they need encouragement from God's Word. But laziness as defined in doing absolutely nothing? No. I work hard, and I work at doing the things of the Lord in my off time.

You said:
Have you envied anyone in any way?

Admired? Yes. Envy and wanting to be them? No.
But this would be wanting to like Paul, or Enoch, or Job, or Daniel, etc.
To live righteously like they did would be an honor.
Oh, and yes; I realize that such righteousness is only possible with the Lord.

You said:
Have you been discontent or ungrateful?

My Mom taught me to always say "please" and "thankful" when i was kid. I thank God every day with my wife for the things I have. If I was ever ungrateful for something, I was not aware of it (or I cannot recall).

You said:
Have you lied to anyone?

Jesus said things that would be considered lying by today's standards. But Jesus did not lie and break the 9th commandment. Have I lied? I would say it nothing serious (like lying to my wife, etc). When I did lie in the past, it was only not to hurt other people's feelings and or for what I believed was for a greater good at the time. But was it wrong? Yes. Do I try to be more vigilante and pray so as not to be led into such temptation in the future in regards to such a sin? Yes. I never want to lie; And it is not common for me. So it is not a sin that I struggle with or anything if that is what you are driving at. I also confess such sins (of course). For if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9).

You said:
Since being saved, have you done any of these things? Yes or no?

Yes, but it is not the same thing as me planning to do them with the thinking I am saved.

Let me give you an example.

An alcoholic who who stumbles on his road to recovery in being sober free is like the believer who believes God's Word and does what is good and right.

The alcoholic who joins a drug program with having no intention of ever giving up their drink and claims to be sober is simply lying to themselves.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 15, 2017

amariselle said:
Will you answer my questions now?

I am really busy and I do work. So I have a life outside of the forums. But yes, before I even seen this post, I just answered your questions.

"The Passion Translation": You are Jesus Christ's Equal

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