Congrats Democrats! You won the Alabama Senate Election. Say Good-bye to Al Franken.

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Hi HIS,

Well, I'd agree somewhat that a lot of mass media is pre-packaged to some extent. A lot of sources piggyback off of other sources, but...

I'm not so much in agreement that it's written to elicit some 'planned reaction'. I still believe that by and large news reporters, esp. those with the major news sources, take their responsibility seriously. Are the sources sometimes tainted? Maybe. One can only trust sources up to a point and I would imagine that if there's any 'seeking to elicit some planned response', that would likely be an agenda of the source and not the reporter.

I think the one most often seeking to 'elicit some planned response' is Donald Trump in declaring that all news that doesn't seem to agree with his reality is 'fake news'. But that's only because I believe he's quite the story teller.

But each one believes what they believe.

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In Christ, ted
In an ideal world, large news reporters would not have agendas. It's evident that they do though. This goes beyond Trump and the fake news mantras. Facts are twisted by news organizations to fit a narrative in order to form desired opinion. This quote from George Orwell on his experience in the Spanish civil war might help:

“I remember saying once to Arthur Koestler, ‘History stopped in 1936’, at which he nodded in immediate understanding. We were both thinking of totalitarianism in general, but more particularly of the Spanish civil war. Early in life I have noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper, but in Spain, for the first time, I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, not even the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie. I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed. I saw troops who had fought bravely denounced as cowards and traitors, and others who had never seen a shot fired hailed as the heroes of imaginary victories; and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellectuals building emotional superstructures over events that had never happened. I saw, in fact, history being written not in terms of what happened but of what ought to have happened according to various ‘party lines’.”
 
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In an ideal world, large news reporters would not have agendas. It's evident that they do though.

Most of us learned a long time ago that the world is not ideal.
 
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Most of us learned a long time ago that the world is not ideal.
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You proved that with the combined help of the national party, the national news media, Republican fratricide and a smear campaign based on unsubstantiated allegations of untoward behavior occurring 40 years ago you could win an election in Alabama. Winning at any cost, you destroyed your own party leadership in the process, you destroyed what little credibility the national news media had left, you destroyed due process and you destroyed the legacies of your best presidents of the last half century. Altogether, quite the impressive feat.

You have the next two years, until the 2020 election to try to hang on to that seat. Good luck.
The sense of histrionics here is intense to me.
I would suggest the party leadership was destroyed in the LAST election; the national news media is just fine to people who are skeptical of Trump just straight up lying to them, due process is no where near destroyed (public opinion requires no due process); destroying legacy of the best president of the last half century? Seriously? Have you seen the clown in the white house now?
 
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Winning at any cost, you destroyed your own party leadership in the process, you destroyed what little credibility the national news media had left, you destroyed due process and you destroyed the legacies of your best presidents of the last half century. Altogether, quite the impressive feat.

still has more credibility then Alex Jones, Info Wars, tomi lahren, glenn beck etc...
 
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Did Al Franken run while people knew about the stuff he did? Because that’s the only way that question becomes relevant.

Yes, that's why I posed it to see how the hypocrites respond, go back to pages 3 and 4 for examples...
 
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but it is also an indictment of the Republicans who are so far up their own egos they are letting a great opportunity to make real changes happening.

It's not just them their partners in crime on the other side of the political fence don't want to see change either, why else would idiots like Chucky and Nancy still be around...
 
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You proved that with the combined help of the national party, the national news media, Republican fratricide and a smear campaign based on unsubstantiated allegations of untoward behavior occurring 40 years ago you could win an election in Alabama. Winning at any cost, you destroyed your own party leadership in the process, you destroyed what little credibility the national news media had left, you destroyed due process and you destroyed the legacies of your best presidents of the last half century. Altogether, quite the impressive feat.

You have the next two years, until the 2020 election to try to hang on to that seat. Good luck.

Coverup? Alabama Supreme Court Blocks Lower Court Order To Preserve Senate Election Voting Records

https://freedomoutpost.com/coverup-...rder-preserve-senate-election-voting-records/

^_^ ^_^ ^_^
 
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Moore's demanding a recount... pretty hard to forge new "records" if the old ones are preserved.

Losers like to be reminded that they lost I guess.
 
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Hi HIS,

Thanks for your response. You responded:
Facts are twisted by news organizations to fit a narrative in order to form desired opinion. This quote from George Orwell on his experience in the Spanish civil war might help

I certainly wouldn't even begin to say that such things as your Orwell quote don't ever happen. We see this very thing happening today within N. Korea and even some in China. These are nations that hold a much stronger control over the news media. A government official actually gets to make the final call as to what is reported and how an event might be reported. Yes, that's always going to leave the public with a slanted reporting that leans towards the government's side.

However, that isn't how our news reporting works as far as the major new sources of this country. We have men and women who are professional journalists and have been trained in the gathering and reporting of news, which I believe, allows our new sources to be more in line with the truth.

Take, for example, the recent reporter who posted that a crowd at a Donald Trump speaking engagement was smaller than it actually was. Within mere moments, the credibility of his report was called into question. Further, his claim was not made in a news media report. He had merely sent a tweet that showed a smaller crowd before the event, that got picked up and retweeted until it became a 'news' story. Here's a report from another news source about the incident. Washington Post reporter apologizes for 'bad tweet' after Trump calls him out

However, my point is that in a country that allows reasonably full freedom of the press, 'fake' strories generally can't stand the test of time. Stories that may be slanted to one side or another must stand up against other reports of the same story that report the account differently.

Here's a possible example of how our press might become slanted in its reporting. In the past, when the president speaks to reporters, all reporters from various news sources are allowed to listen to his comments. Now we have a president who is attempting to refuse admittance to such events to various sources that he feels don't report things according to his reality. When you limit the journalists who listen to your words to only those who seem to side with your agenda, then yes, you're very likely to get news stories that are slanted towards your agenda.

Further, when those journalists know that any report that they make that would be against what words were spoken might throw them into the 'excluded' group, the journalists themselves may slant their reporting to save their place in the press room. It's a dangerous precedent for our freedom of the press.

You and I just have a different understanding of the credibility of the American news machine. That's ok. Just know that I'm nowhere near in full agreement with your position and we'll leave it at that.

God bless you,
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LOL ... is that what you've been telling all your Democrat friends since Hillary lost?

You should be thanking us instead of screaming and crying.

Tell the truth: Had Moore won, would his acceptance into the GOP been an asset or a liability going into the 2018 midterms?
 
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You should be thanking us instead of screaming and crying.
You seem to not be paying attention.

I just congratulated Dems on the hard fought victory.
Tell the truth: Had Moore won, would his acceptance into the GOP been an asset or a liability going into the 2018 midterms?
Who said I was upset? You and your party's incessant need for emotional appeals makes you view everything through an emotional lens. You should quit that.

I'm not upset in the least. In fact, I'm looking forward to Al Franken's resignation ... and to seeing how Mitch McConnell conducts business in the new Senate.
 
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You seem to not be paying attention.

I just congratulated Dems on the hard fought victory.

Do you ever convince anyone besides yourself?

Who said I was upset? You and your party's incessant need for emotional appeals makes you view everything through an emotional lens. You should quit that.

The OP was a textbook example of histrionics... you should quit that.

I'm not upset in the least.

I repeat my question from above.

In fact, I'm looking forward to Al Franken's resignation ... and to seeing how Mitch McConnell conducts business in the new Senate.

I repeat my other question, which you dodged. Had Moore won, do you think that he would've helped or hurt the GOP?
 
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Do you ever convince anyone besides yourself?

The OP was a textbook example of histrionics... you should quit that.

I repeat my question from above.

I repeat my other question, which you dodged. Had Moore won, do you think that he would've helped or hurt the GOP?
So ... Up is down ... right is wrong.

Thanks for the clarification.
 
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So ... Up is down ... right is wrong.

Thanks for the clarification.

You're not convincing. If I clarified nothing else, at least learn that much.

Noting also that you still can't answer the simple question: Do you think a Moore victory would have helped or hurt the GOP?
 
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You seem to not be paying attention.

I just congratulated Dems on the hard fought victory.

Who said I was upset? You and your party's incessant need for emotional appeals makes you view everything through an emotional lens. You should quit that.

I'm not upset in the least. In fact, I'm looking forward to Al Franken's resignation ... and to seeing how Mitch McConnell conducts business in the new Senate.

You likely believe what you state, but your posts, would indicate otherwise.
 
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