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Lol.....You are clutching at straws now!
There is no question that Caesar Nero is the Man-Beast of Revelation -- 666.
Again you continue to show that you ONLY accept scripture that you think fits your bogus invalid understanding of what you read
You manufacture your false doctrine , it is not real , You pick and choose which scripture you want to be true and dispose of any scripture that ruins and expose your fake doctrine

As it has been pointed out already MULTIPLE TIMES , NONE , I REPEAT NONE of any of your antichrist Man-Beast people are valid - NONE !!
Yea they did horrible things as did Hitler , one simple thing annihilates your folly bogus belief

The Man of Sin / Man of Lawlessness Man-Beast of Revelation has a PARTNER CALLED THE FALSE PROPHET THAT BRINGS FIRE DOWN FROM HEAVEN IN FRONT OF THE EYES OF ALL THE PEOPLE _and he does it on his command !!
NONE of you amil types have proven that nero or any other person you claim is the Man-Beast had such a partner !!

Proving that nero was NOT the Man-Beast and proving how your fake doctrine is FAKE AND WRONG

PROVE IT
you have no understanding so you just mock and make accusations for you lack any truth or understanding of the matter :)
 
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Again you continue to show that you ONLY accept scripture that you think fits your bogus invalid understanding of what you read
You manufacture your false doctrine , it is not real , You pick and choose which scripture you want to be true and dispose of any scripture that ruins and expose your fake doctrine

As it has been pointed out already MULTIPLE TIMES , NONE , I REPEAT NONE of any of your antichrist Man-Beast people are valid - NONE !!
Yea they did horrible things as did Hitler , one simple thing annihilates your folly bogus belief

The Man of Sin / Man of Lawlessness Man-Beast of Revelation has a PARTNER CALLED THE FALSE PROPHET THAT BRINGS FIRE DOWN FROM HEAVEN IN FRONT OF THE EYES OF ALL THE PEOPLE _and he does it on his command !!
NONE of you amil types have proven that nero or any other person you claim is the Man-Beast had such a partner !!

Proving that nero was NOT the Man-Beast and proving how your fake doctrine is FAKE AND WRONG

PROVE IT
you have no understanding so you just mock and make accusations for you lack any truth or understanding of the matter :)

Thank you my friend.

Like I have said many times before, Scripture is not something you can pick up and always read at face value. No. Some scripture has more meaning to it than what we read in black and white.

Revelation is such a scripture.

I will go along with what Jesus said in the beginning few lines of Revelation.
 
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Thank you my friend.

Like I have said many times before, Scripture is not something you can pick up and always read at face value. No. Some scripture has more meaning to it than what we read in black and white.

Revelation is such a scripture.

I will go along with what Jesus said in the beginning few lines of Revelation.
There is no question that Caesar Nero is the Man-Beast of Revelation -- 666.
Again you continue to show that you ONLY accept scripture that you think fits your bogus invalid understanding of what you read
You manufacture your false doctrine , it is not real , You pick and choose which scripture you want to be true and dispose of any scripture that ruins and expose your fake doctrine

As it has been pointed out already MULTIPLE TIMES , NONE , I REPEAT NONE of any of your antichrist Man-Beast people are valid - NONE !!
Yea they did horrible things as did Hitler , one simple thing annihilates your folly bogus belief

The Man of Sin / Man of Lawlessness Man-Beast of Revelation has a PARTNER CALLED THE FALSE PROPHET THAT BRINGS FIRE DOWN FROM HEAVEN IN FRONT OF THE EYES OF ALL THE PEOPLE _and he does it on his command !!
NONE of you amil types have proven that nero or any other person you claim is the Man-Beast had such a partner !!

Proving that nero was NOT the Man-Beast and proving how your fake doctrine is FAKE AND WRONG
Jesus did not say what you say

you cannot prove what you say -so you ignore what God says to suit your own desires
 
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Again you continue to show that you ONLY accept scripture that you think fits your bogus invalid understanding of what you read
You manufacture your false doctrine , it is not real , You pick and choose which scripture you want to be true and dispose of any scripture that ruins and expose your fake doctrine

As it has been pointed out already MULTIPLE TIMES , NONE , I REPEAT NONE of any of your antichrist Man-Beast people are valid - NONE !!
Yea they did horrible things as did Hitler , one simple thing annihilates your folly bogus belief

The Man of Sin / Man of Lawlessness Man-Beast of Revelation has a PARTNER CALLED THE FALSE PROPHET THAT BRINGS FIRE DOWN FROM HEAVEN IN FRONT OF THE EYES OF ALL THE PEOPLE _and he does it on his command !!
NONE of you amil types have proven that nero or any other person you claim is the Man-Beast had such a partner !!

Proving that nero was NOT the Man-Beast and proving how your fake doctrine is FAKE AND WRONG
Jesus did not say what you say

you cannot prove what you say -so you ignore what God says to suit your own desires

You keep repeating the same thing my dear buddy!

God bless you anyway.
 
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Have you read the verses provided...what you want to know is there.I don't need to add anything more.

-If you have eyes to see ...then you will see .

Revelation 17:8 ....Revelation 9:11

so I do not put words into your comments would you please tell me who the beast is.

Are you saying it is Satan?
 
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Again you continue to show that you ONLY accept scripture that you think fits your bogus invalid understanding of what you read
You manufacture your false doctrine , it is not real , You pick and choose which scripture you want to be true and dispose of any scripture that ruins and expose your fake doctrine

Rather, Thats what you are doing.


The Man of Sin / Man of Lawlessness Man-Beast of Revelation has....


Wait just a minute...
This right here concretely demostrates the folly of your bogus belief.

Not one single solitary scripture teaches that Paul's Man of Sin and John's Beast of Revelation are the Same individual. Not even one.

You can not demonstrate this belief you have that they are the same individual from ANY scriptural teaching whatsoever, because there is none. Zero, Nada, Zilch, Goose Egg.

Such a conenction is ONLY based on man made tradition and can not be demonstrated from the pages of actual scripture, proving that YOU are the one inventing this doctrine out of thin air.
 
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Not one single solitary scripture teaches that Paul's Man of Sin and John's Beast of Revelation are the Same individual. Not even one.
Your level of understanding is a total failure , nothing short of a total complete failure to understand what you read ,

Anything in scripture at all that is not in agreement with your fake doctrine you either ignore it all together , call it an allegory and nonsense such as that

The Man of Sin/Man of Lawlessness goes into the temple sits in the throne made fro the Lord and declares to the word that he is God , then he sets out out to force people to worship him as God
The same person in the Revelation is called the dragon, the beast and satan
of course you reject anything that does not fit your fake doctrine - good luck with that you will need more than luck :)
 
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Abaddon the angel of the abyss (the pit) [Revelation 9:11].

Is this the same "pit" you are refering to
Revelation 20King James Version (KJV)
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
 
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Not one single solitary scripture teaches that Paul's Man of Sin and John's Beast of Revelation are the Same individual. Not even one.



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Is this the same "pit" you are refering to
Revelation 20King James Version (KJV)
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
That is the same pit ...but two different occurrence in time.

[Rev 9]-Abaddon and his nasty friends released from the pit at the 5 TH TRUMPET...
Revelation 9
1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star from heaven fallen unto the earth: and there was given to him the key of the pit of the abyss.

2 And he opened the pit of the abyss; and there went up a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit

Note: to avoid any confusion:Abaddon is NOT Satan


The proof
-Revelation 19:20
The Beast [Abaddon] and the False Prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire.


-Revelation 20:1-3
Satan will be locked into the bottomless pit for 1,000 years.
 
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not in agreement with your fake doctrine

Let’s see who’s teaching a fake doctrine. with 3 easy yes or no questions we can see if you are trustworthy:

1. Is God currently king of the heavens and the earth?

2. Is Jesus Christ God?

3. Is Jesus Christ currently king of the heavens and the earth?
 
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Let’s see who’s teaching a fake doctrine. with 3 easy yes or no questions we can see if you are trustworthy:

1. Is God currently king of the heavens and the earth?

2. Is Jesus Christ God?

3. Is Jesus Christ currently king of the heavens and the earth?
God has given satan dominion over the earth and sky after Adam and Eve sinned -

According to Gods own timing He has appointed times of how and when the fulfillment of His plan for humanity will come to it's end - that coming to it's end will ultimately at some future time ahead will result in His family receiving a new body that will never die. Due to the fact that God has created mankind he desires all of mankind to spend eternity with Him , but true love must prevail and that means mankind is given the freedom to choose to either serve God or serve their own desires and as a result sin has entered the world causing a fallen world .

That fallen world will be dealt with by God and he has told us in His Word how He will deal with it .
That is what the books of the prophets in the OT revealed and that is why Jesus told John what to tell his generation of people and to all generations until ALL I repeat ALL of the things Jesus said will happen come to pass
Those things have begun but are not yet complete
regardless of what you say or believe :)
 
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God has given satan dominion over the earth and sky after Adam and Eve sinned -

According to Gods own timing He has appointed times of how and when the fulfillment of His plan for humanity will come to it's end - that coming to it's end will ultimately at some future time ahead will result in His family receiving a new body that will never die. Due to the fact that God has created mankind he desires all of mankind to spend eternity with Him , but true love must prevail and that means mankind is given the freedom to choose to either serve God or serve their own desires and as a result sin has entered the world causing a fallen world .

That fallen world will be dealt with by God and he has told us in His Word how He will deal with it .
That is what the books of the prophets in the OT revealed and that is why Jesus told John what to tell his generation of people and to all generations until ALL I repeat ALL of the things Jesus said will happen come to pass
Those things have begun but are not yet complete
regardless of what you say or believe :)

You didn’t answer the questions. Which makes it difficult to see your teachings as trustworthy. If what you teach is true, you should have no problem answering the questions with simple yes or no answers.

So I’ll ask you again :) :

1. Do you believe God is currently king over the heavens and the earth?

2. Do you believe Jesus is God?

3. Do you believe Jesus is currently king over the heavens and the earth?
 
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God has given satan dominion over the earth and sky after Adam and Eve sinned -

So who is it that currently has dominion, satan or God?

It is Christ who is the eternal God forever and ever amen!

that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.
Ephesians 1:20-21
 
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Your questions are not asked with a sincere heart , you are not sincere in what you ask - you are playing games with your questions in the attempt to manipulate.

Dominion is - the power or right of governing and controlling

God gave mankind dominion over the earth and all the animals , even telling Adam to name the animals.
When Adam and Eve sinned God took that dominion away from Adam and gave it to satan

Simple analogy is when a business owner gives dominion to the CEO Chief Executive Officer , the CEO is the Not the owner of the company but is given the authority to make the most important decisions on how the company will operate , the CEO can be terminated from their position.

Another example is if your dad lets you use his car because you need a car ,you are given dominion of the usage and care of that car , if your dad deems that you are being irresponsible with his car he can take it away from you as he did not sign over ownership of that car to you , it is still his car.

Just as when the time that God determines to remove dominion from satan ,
When Jesus returns in HIS GLORY back to earth Jesus will take dominion of the earth from satan and forevermore retain that dominion

1 Jon 5:19
19 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.




You didn’t answer the questions. Which makes it difficult to see your teachings as trustworthy. If what you teach is true, you should have no problem answering the questions with simple yes or no answers.

So I’ll ask you again :) :
1. Do you believe God is currently king over the heavens and the earth?

2. Do you believe Jesus is God?

3. Do you believe Jesus is currently king over the heavens and the earth?
 
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That is the same pit ...but two different occurrence in time.

[Rev 9]-Abaddon and his nasty friends released from the pit at the 5 TH TRUMPET...
Revelation 9
1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star from heaven fallen unto the earth: and there was given to him the key of the pit of the abyss.

2 And he opened the pit of the abyss; and there went up a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit

Note: to avoid any confusion:Abaddon is NOT Satan


The proof
-Revelation 19:20
The Beast [Abaddon] and the False Prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire.


-Revelation 20:1-3
Satan will be locked into the bottomless pit for 1,000 years.

Lake of fire is after the 1000 year.


sequence
Second Coming of Christ (first resurrection)
1000 year reighn in heaven with him (do you not know we will judge angels)
New Jerusalem decends
Satan loosed from his 1000 year captivity (captive because no human alive on earth for 1000 years for him to deceive)
Wicked are resurrected (second resurrection)
Satan rallies the nations of the wicked against the New Jerusalem.
then they are all cast into the lake of fire
We will walk on their ashes.

Revelation 20 Commentary


20:1-3 The Millennium: After Christ’s second coming, the earth is utterly desolate, a jagged smoldering ruin. The righteous have been taken to Heaven, and the wicked have been destroyed. 2 Thessalonians 2:8.

As the prophecy continues, John sees “an angel come down from heaven,” lay hold on Satan and bind him for “a thousand years.” Satan is alone with no one to ruin or deceive. He has a thousand years to reflect on the effects which sin has wrought, to behold the results of his rebellion, and to look forward with dread to the time when he will be punished for the evil he has done and the sins he has caused others to commit. At the end of the thousand years (commonly known as the “millennium”) he will be “loosed” for a short time.
20:4-6 The scene shifts to heaven where the saints sit with the Lord in judgment on the wicked. They will not determine the salvation or damnation of anyone, for each one’s case has already been decided. Instead Christ, in union with his people, judges the wicked dead, as well as Satan and his fallen angels. 1 Corinthians 6:2-3. The books of record are examined, and the punishment to be administered to each of the wicked is determined. During this time God patiently answers any questions the saints may have. This work takes “a thousand years” to complete, but when it is finished both saints and angels agree that God has been just in all His acts and in the way He has dealt with the great rebellion.

Jesus said in John 5:28-29: “The hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have one good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” “The first resurrection” is the “resurrection of life.” It takes place at the second coming of Christ when He resurrects all the righteous who have died (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57), and it marks the beginning of the millennium. The second resurrection is the “resurrection of damnation.” It takes place when “the thousand years” are “finished,” and is composed of the wicked, who will take part in “the second death.”
20:7-10 At the end of the thousand years of the millennium, Jesus and His people, along with the holy City, the New Jerusalem, descend to the earth. Revelation 21:2. All the wicked who have ever lived are now resurrected in “the resurrection of damnation,” and “Satan” is “loosed out of his prison.” After his long incarceration, he now has all his subjects, the vast multitude of the lost, to tempt, deceive and torment. He then goes out “to deceive the nations” and “to gather them together to battle.” He persuades them that he has resurrected them from the grave by his own power. He convinces them that together they can conquer the New Jerusalem and overthrow God. Now plans are made, instruments of war constructed, and the armies of Satan Surround “The camp of the saints” and “the beloved city.”

Before judgment is executed against the wicked, they are shown the charges for which they are condemned; they agree with the saints and the angels that God’s judgment is just. See vss. 11-13.

Then the sentence is executed. “Fire” comes “down from God out of heaven” to devour the wicked, turning the earth’s surface into a vast “lake of fire.” It burns up “the devil,” “the beast,” “the false prophet” and “whosoever was not found written in the book of life,” vs. 15. Sin and the effects of sin are destroyed, including “death” and “hell” (the grave), vs. 14. In the cleansing flames the wicked are annihilated; this is the second death. “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power,” vs. 6. The fire that consumed the wicked purifies the earth. Every trace of the curse of sin is swept away. The universe is once again free from sin and rebellion.

God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezekiel 18:32; 33:11); to Him the destruction of the wicked is a strange act. Isaiah 28:21. God loves and sends blessings upon all, even on those who are evil. John 3:16; Matthew 5:45; Luke 6:35. The wicked have made themselves unfit for Heaven. The purity, peace and harmony of paradise would be a great torture to them. Their destruction is the most merciful thing that God can do for them
20:11-15 The Great White Throne Judgment: After the wicked surround the City of God, but before they are destroyed, God opens the books of Heaven and shows each one of the lost the record of his life of rebellion against God. They also see the love of God in the effort He has expended to affect their salvation, and in the blood of the Son of God poured out on their behalf.

The record books of heaven portray its unmistakeable detail their selfishness, cruelty, and every particular of their rejection of God’s authority. They will see clearly why their names are not in the Book of Life. Revelation 13:8; Exodus 32:32, 33; Revelation 3:5.

All the wicked will be fully convinced of God’s justice in the sentence of eternal death pronounced against them. All of God’s judgments are seen to be fair and honest. The entire host of the lost will bow down and confess that God is just. Romans 14:11. Even Satan will knee’ before God and admit that he has been wrong in his rebellion Then the wicked receive their punishment in the lake of fire with Satan and his angels.
 
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Just as when the time that God determines to remove dominion from satan ,
When Jesus returns in HIS GLORY back to earth Jesus will take dominion of the earth from satan and forevermore retain that dominion

So you are Saying that This Scripture is Wrong then?

that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.
Ephesians 1:20-21

And this one is wrong too?:
Matthew 28:18
Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."

As well as this?:
1 Peter 3:21-22
Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him

The Apostles above teach that Jesus Christ has Total Dominion, power and rule over Heaven and Earth RIGHT NOW, at this present time.

Random internet guy Seventysevens says NO, that is wrong. Seventysevens says Jesus has no such power or Dominion right now, because Satan has Power and Dominion OVER AND ABOVE Jesus on earth right now.

Sorry Friend, When Choosing which of these two POLAR OPPOSITE teachings to believe, Random 21st century internet guy seventysevens, or this divinely inspired apostles, my money is on the apostles, every time.
 
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Lake of fire is after the 1000 year.
Revelation 20:10 tell us clearly that The Beast and False Prophet are ALREADY in the Lake Of Fire Referring to Revelation 19:20 who have happened 1,000 years earlier....


Revelation 20:7-10
7 And when the thousand years are finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 and shall come forth to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up over the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are also the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The righteous have been taken to Heaven, and the wicked have been destroyed. 2 Thessalonians 2:8.
Show us the verses saying that the righteous will be TAKEN TO HEAVEN WHILE THEY ARE ALIVE ?

Unto the Coming of Jesus the righteous alive are still on the Earth and gathered by the ANGELS to meet Jesus. Matthew 24:29-31

20:1-3 The Millennium: After Christ’s second coming, the earth is utterly desolate, a jagged smoldering ruin.
-At the Coming of Jesus the wicked[all those who have taken the Mark and worship the Beast] will be gathered at Armageddon along the armies of the World and will be slain by Jesus Revelation 19:11-21.

-After Christ’s Second Coming the 1,000 years Reign of Jesus on Earth begin [Revelation 20:4-6]
 
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