Ocd or me?

JesusIsLord_ · Nov 6, 2017

How do i know whether it's ocd or me? I feel evil. I ask myself whether i really trust in Christ for my salvation and i say yes, but something says no. Is it my heart or ocd? Do i really trust Him? I feel like an unbeliever.

What is trust anyways? Is it a feeling or a decision? I choose to trust Christ and i DON'T want to doubt, but i do. What does it all mean?

Do you guys have those thoughts too? Fir example i say that i trust Him and something says "no you don't, you know you don't". Am i lying to myself or is it just more lies from ocd?

Gregory Thompson · Nov 6, 2017

I have many thoughts, many many thoughts.
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The brain attached to our earthly tent is hostile to God, it can't understand the things of God.
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Trust is like, I trust this chair is sturdy so I sit on it, I trust the driver will get me there safely so I get in the car, I trust my friend to be the person they always have been.
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Trust is an alternate meaning of faith, we come to God because he cultivates trust in us and then we trust him, receiving his love that casts out fear, this shakes up things. The more we trust him, the more we grow until the "born again" self outgrows the perception and experience of the body or flesh.
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Jesus spoke in parables about things that grow because the progress sometimes feels like watching grass grow. Hope some of that helps.

M.M.G77 · Nov 6, 2017

Hi everyone! I never knew what Scrupulosity OCD was until about 7 months ago I experienced it. I thought I was going to die. I’m still now having to battle intrusive memories—but not nearly as much. So, I found this book called SWITCH ON YOUR BRAIN by Dr. Caroline Leaf(Christian neuroscientist)and it has changed by life. It’s a proven 5 step process that helps break down toxic thoughts and build healthy ones. She urges that you use scripture. And that’s where the healing begins! With the WORD OF GOD. Mine was so bad. I had severe insomnia, anxiety,diarrhea,frustration,loss of appetite, fear of lost salvation, afraid to hear or say certain words that would trigger. Not mention all the guilt, shame, and condemnation. I felt like the sickest person in the world because of those blasphemous and perverted thoughts against the Trinity. And just perversions out of know where. Like my mind would pervert anything almost. This was even affecting my intimacy with my husband. But Praise Be to God that I found this book. I urge y’all to get it. It will change you. I’ll be praying also. Intercession is powerful!

faroukfarouk · Nov 6, 2017

M.M.G77 said:
Hi everyone! I never knew what Scrupulosity OCD was until about 7 months ago I experienced it. I thought I was going to die. I’m still now having to battle intrusive memories—but not nearly as much. So, I found this book called SWITCH ON YOUR BRAIN by Dr. Caroline Leaf(Christian neuroscientist)and it has changed by life. It’s a proven 5 step process that helps break down toxic thoughts and build healthy ones. She urges that you use scripture. And that’s where the healing begins! With the WORD OF GOD. Mine was so bad. I had severe insomnia, anxiety,diarrhea,frustration,loss of appetite, fear of lost salvation, afraid to hear or say certain words that would trigger. Not mention all the guilt, shame, and condemnation. I felt like the sickest person in the world because of those blasphemous and perverted thoughts against the Trinity. And just perversions out of know where. Like my mind would pervert anything almost. This was even affecting my intimacy with my husband. But Praise Be to God that I found this book. I urge y’all to get it. It will change you. I’ll be praying also. Intercession is powerful!

Hi; Hebrews 7.25 is a great verse to remember, when it comes to the theme of intercession; for the believer, the Lord Jesus 'ever lives to make intercession' for His people.

drjean · Nov 6, 2017

Hi there. You are in such turmoil! Please know that God is not the author of confusion...so if you are having those issues, reach out to God for help (don't push Him away...) IF you know you accepted Christ's salvation once in the past, then rely upon GOD to keep HIS promises. Don't let your feelings try and change God's power. It isn't anything we can do, get or keep salvation--it's God Who does that!

Don't doubt in the dark what you knew to be true in the light. This flare of your OCD will calm again...as it does ... hang on!

com7fy8 · Nov 6, 2017

JesusIsLord_ said:
Do you guys have those thoughts too?

I have wrong thoughts, and I consider them to be of Satan and his evil spirit. And I trust God to change me so I am not available to what is unloving.

JesusIsLord_ · Nov 6, 2017

Mari17 · Nov 6, 2017

JesusIsLord_ said:
How do i know whether it's ocd or me? I feel evil. I ask myself whether i really trust in Christ for my salvation and i say yes, but something says no. Is it my heart or ocd? Do i really trust Him? I feel like an unbeliever.

What is trust anyways? Is it a feeling or a decision? I choose to trust Christ and i DON'T want to doubt, but i do. What does it all mean?

Do you guys have those thoughts too? Fir example i say that i trust Him and something says "no you don't, you know you don't". Am i lying to myself or is it just more lies from ocd?

This sounds like OCD to me. Speaking from experience, I can say that OCD loves to make us try to feel like we're something that we're not. It's always making us second-guess ourselves: "I think it's my OCD. But if FEELS so real!" I've had very real-feeling obsessions in the past, about other things that are just as horrible. OCD has this sadistic tendency to latch on to those thoughts which horrify us the most and try to make us believe that we want those things. People without OCD process those thoughts normally, knowing that they don't really mean them, so they don't pay that much attention to them. Those of us with OCD tend to stay stuck in those thoughts, and then get caught in an obsessive cycle of trying to figure out whether or not we want/mean them, when deep down we know we never did. Although OCD can attach itself to spiritual topics, it is a mental problem and must be treated as such. The thoughts are meaningless, thus must be treated as meaningless by not attending to them. This is a part of ERP therapy, which is considered to be highly effective in treating OCD. I don't have time to explain more right now but if you are interested I can share some of my experiences overcoming OCD, and some of the strategies that have worked for me. Also you can explore some of the other threads in this forum, specifically those by Ivy and ZacharaiahJosephTurner, as I've written in more detail about some of these things in those threads. The first step is to recognize this as OCD, then to treat it as such. If you need to, don't be afraid to find a therapist who knows how to treat OCD as well. You CAN break out of this cycle!

Tolworth John · Nov 7, 2017

JesusIsLord_ said:
I'm afraid to leave the body of Christ. I'm afraid that i will somehow chose to leave, even though i don't want to. I think those specific thoughts (of leaving the body of Christ) started because i didn't take the Lord's Supper/communion yesterday (i thought i wasn't fit to do it).

My mind is acting as if i HAVE left His body! It's so tormenting. The Lord knows the motives i haven't taken His Supper, I think it's just the devil lying to me. Or maybe those i just the effects of not obeying God, but i have apologized. I'm tired. But am not going to give up.

Just venting, thank you guys for all the answers, they are really helpful

We all have thoughts that question or challenge what we believe.

Hold on to what you know is true. The truth does not change because we have bad thoughts.

Jesus died to save you, he knows what you and I are like and it is he who holds on to our faith.

He will not let you go, so hang on it there, and strive to follow Jesus.

com7fy8 · Nov 7, 2017

JesusIsLord_ said:
i didn't take the Lord's Supper/communion yesterday (i thought i wasn't fit to do it).

You can read 1 Corinthians 11 which talks about how certain Corinthians abused the gathering of God's children and the Lord's Supper. What I understand is that Paul is saying they were mainly wrong by how ones would eat and drink their own stuff, right next to people who had "nothing". And that was why many of them were dying and weak and sick . . . because ow how they were shaming Jesus' own brothers and sisters.

He does not say it was because they did not confess some sins they did, but because of how they were relating in a bad way with people of Jesus.

So, worthiness is not mainly about if you have done certain things wrong and if you have confessed them, or how you might feel about yourself, but it is about how we are relating with one another.

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)

Shawb · Nov 9, 2017

I just had the same thing happen to me a few minutes ago. I had a thought that said, “I don’t believe in God.” And I became super anxious, no matter how much I keep telling myself I believe in God and his son it seems to be of no effect. Please pray for me

DeerGlow · Nov 9, 2017

Shawb said:
I just had the same thing happen to me a few minutes ago. I had a thought that said, “I don’t believe in God.” And I became super anxious, no matter how much I keep telling myself I believe in God and his son it seems to be of no effect. Please pray for me

I think I know that feeling. :hug:

Shawb · Nov 9, 2017

JesusIsLord_ said:
How do i know whether it's ocd or me? I feel evil. I ask myself whether i really trust in Christ for my salvation and i say yes, but something says no. Is it my heart or ocd? Do i really trust Him? I feel like an unbeliever.

What is trust anyways? Is it a feeling or a decision? I choose to trust Christ and i DON'T want to doubt, but i do. What does it all mean?

Do you guys have those thoughts too? Fir example i say that i trust Him and something says "no you don't, you know you don't". Am i lying to myself or is it just more lies from ocd?

I have these feelings a lot. I know from experience that it’s is Ocd. Think about it, why are you suddenly distrustful of God when he’s never let anyone down. OCD is not a logical disease it’s an emotional one. Speak truth to the lies and never believe them. God knows you, he cannot be fooled by the nonsense in our heads. I know I just posted having a thought like this and it causing me much distress, but when the emotions left I knew these thoughts were not true (but I can still use prayers though

As I still feel very guilty for such unbelieving thoughts). God and my love for him are truer than anything I think and feel. I hope this helps you God bless.

Kristen.NewCreation · Nov 15, 2017

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JesusIneedYou · Nov 21, 2017

M.M.G77 said:
Hi everyone! I never knew what Scrupulosity OCD was until about 7 months ago I experienced it. I thought I was going to die. I’m still now having to battle intrusive memories—but not nearly as much. So, I found this book called SWITCH ON YOUR BRAIN by Dr. Caroline Leaf(Christian neuroscientist)and it has changed by life. It’s a proven 5 step process that helps break down toxic thoughts and build healthy ones. She urges that you use scripture. And that’s where the healing begins! With the WORD OF GOD. Mine was so bad. I had severe insomnia, anxiety,diarrhea,frustration,loss of appetite, fear of lost salvation, afraid to hear or say certain words that would trigger. Not mention all the guilt, shame, and condemnation. I felt like the sickest person in the world because of those blasphemous and perverted thoughts against the Trinity. And just perversions out of know where. Like my mind would pervert anything almost. This was even affecting my intimacy with my husband. But Praise Be to God that I found this book. I urge y’all to get it. It will change you. I’ll be praying also. Intercession is powerful![/QU

SISTER DID YOU GET THROUGHT IT <33333

JesusIneedYou · Nov 21, 2017

I dealt with ocd for 4 years is hard but I hope this helps you God wrote this through my hub before I had ocd.

What I want from you Brittany, I want you to focus! Focus on Jesus Christ He is your Lord! Focus

on the priorities in your life. Your faith, MY CALL, you husband, music, serving ME! Focus on what you can do to strengthen these areas in your life that I just told you to

> focus on. How can you strengthen MY CALL for you? By

> realizing I have chosen you.

> You did not choose ME I chose you before the foundations of

> the world. Before I said let there be light I thought of you

> and chose you to be with ME forever. You are MY child, do

> not doubt that or base your relationship to ME on your

> circumstances or on what

> you are feeling, thinking, doing, or saying at any given

> time because those all change in the tides of time. Like a

> high tide and low tide in the ocean, feelings, thoughts,

> circumstances. What you say, do, feel, change and sometimes

> very suddenly. But I do

> not change! I do not lie! I do not change MY Mind even when

> you get stuck on a sand bar and are afraid to swim on in the

> sea of Life. Trust ME Brittany my beautiful daughter. Trust

> ME with all your heart, that includes all of your mind, your

> emotions, your

> feelings, your words and actions, trust ME to direct these

> areas. Lean not on your own understanding, this leads to

> confusion and obsessions when your choosing your own

> understanding and not MINE. In all your ways acknowledge ME.

> This means having a knowledge

> of me, a consciousness of ME even when it seems I cannot be

> found I am always there with you. Sometimes I am silent

> because this helps you to learn the Word that is already

> written. Silence builds faith, faith in ME and MY Word

> already spoken. They do not

> change everything all is and can be solved by living in MY

> Word. My Words are eternal and so is MY Love for you. I have

> a vision of you Brittany, of who I want you to be, DON’T

> RESIST THIS VISION! Do not persist in self, in your way, do

> not lean on your feelings

> that will lead to more confusion and trouble. LET ME SHAPE

> YOU AND CONFORM YOU INTO WHAT I ENVISION YOU TO BE! The

> devil is a liar he lies to you often. He lies to you through

> feelings and your own reasoning and understanding and this

> is why I say to focus

> on ME, I tell you the Truth always and I always have YOUR

> BEST IN MY HEART! Because you are in MY Heart! I love you

> eternally and unconditionally and I will finish what I have

> started but you can hinder the progress when you start

> relying on your senses and

> understanding again. That is why you need to learn MY

> SPIRIT! He is in you and will lead you on the Righteous Path

> of Light. You know the Way! You know the Truth! Brittany MY

> daughter you know whats LIFE! Choose LIFE! If it is negative

> reject it quickly it

> is an evil seed, a fiery arrow from the evil one aimed to

> destroy you. DO NOT ACCEPT IT. USE YOUR SHEILD OF FAITH AND

> YOUR SWORD TO FIGHT HIM OFF OF YOU, THE WORD OF GOD! I tell

> you do not be lazy about this, STAND FIRM no matter how

> strong the attack or temptation

> is, I will deliver you. Brittany live by what is written.

> Live by what you have heard from ME and by what you hear

> from ME. Brittany be careful about giving in to something

> before you have good reasons to believe it. This will take

> care of and put an end to

> being gullible and naïve. Not questioning everything and

> wondering about everything will put an end to the obsessions

> and the compulsions. Brittany be calm, be gentle, be slow to

> speak and react. Be courageous and bold and stand firm

> against all evil. Do everything

> out of love and selfless ambition. This is the mind and

> attitude of Christ Jesus MY SON and what pleases ME

> (Philippians 2:2-10). Use this time and circumstances to

> develop patience, endurance, and godly character. The

> character of MY children. Because that

> is what you are Brittany. YOU ARE MY BELOVED CHILD. I want

> you to repent of all your old ways they are evil. Ways

> includes bad habits and thinking patterns. This includes

> relying on feelings and emotions. Remember they can be

> deceptive because of the devil

> and the flesh and the enemies ability to manipulate them

> through your senses. What you see, hear, taste, smell, and

> touch. Through what feels good and looks good. Remember what

> is real is what is within you through ME! I desire mercy and

> love not sacrifice.

> Remember Brittany the faster you repent of the old the

> faster you will be made the new. You already are new. You

> are a new creation but I have to cut out all of the evil

> that was alive but is now dead and passing away. The faster

> you repent the faster you

> will be chosen to lead. I have made you a leader but a

> student must be fully trained first in order to be like your

> Master and Teacher and that is MY ONLY BEGOTTEN SON JESUS

> CHRIST YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR! Remember I love you MY child

> and do not forget what I

> have said!

Justin1234 · Dec 4, 2017

You are not alone! You can pm anytime. I have been through a lot of what you are talking about.
There is hope!

1am3laine · Dec 6, 2017

JesusIsLord_ said:
How do i know whether it's ocd or me? I feel evil. I ask myself whether i really trust in Christ for my salvation and i say yes, but something says no. Is it my heart or ocd? Do i really trust Him? I feel like an unbeliever.

What is trust anyways? Is it a feeling or a decision? I choose to trust Christ and i DON'T want to doubt, but i do. What does it all mean?

Do you guys have those thoughts too? Fir example i say that i trust Him and something says "no you don't, you know you don't". Am i lying to myself or is it just more lies from ocd?

Trusting in GOD is a decision and the feeling comes later on. The thoughts that are going against it are just thoughts that are going against the knowledge of Christ which GOD told us to cast down in JESUS name. ( 2 Corinthians 10:5 )

Those thoughts that say "no you don't trust GOD" are purely from satan.
Speak against them in the name of JESUS.

Everyone has had doubtful thoughts but it is up to us what we do when those thoughts come and the best choice is to speak against them in the name of JESUS.

Jstigga · Jan 30, 2018

M.M.G77 said:
Hi everyone! I never knew what Scrupulosity OCD was until about 7 months ago I experienced it. I thought I was going to die. I’m still now having to battle intrusive memories—but not nearly as much. So, I found this book called SWITCH ON YOUR BRAIN by Dr. Caroline Leaf(Christian neuroscientist)and it has changed by life. It’s a proven 5 step process that helps break down toxic thoughts and build healthy ones. She urges that you use scripture. And that’s where the healing begins! With the WORD OF GOD. Mine was so bad. I had severe insomnia, anxiety,diarrhea,frustration,loss of appetite, fear of lost salvation, afraid to hear or say certain words that would trigger. Not mention all the guilt, shame, and condemnation. I felt like the sickest person in the world because of those blasphemous and perverted thoughts against the Trinity. And just perversions out of know where. Like my mind would pervert anything almost. This was even affecting my intimacy with my husband. But Praise Be to God that I found this book. I urge y’all to get it. It will change you. I’ll be praying also. Intercession is powerful!

Hey is this book specific to ocd / scrupulosity or is it more general mental health Thanks

M.M.G77 · Jan 30, 2018

Jstigga said:
Hey is this book specific to ocd / scrupulosity or is it more general mental health Thanks

@Jstigga Its more general. But you will still benefit. Another thing I just recently discovered.....flower essences for OCD. Check out freedom-flowers.com. You will do yourself a HUGE favor. God truly is the Master Mind. I can’t believe that they have flower essences for all kinds of emotions, thought patterns, and behaviors.

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