John 14:15 If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments: -- so says Christ

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 2, 2017

HARK! said:
Marriage is a contract. Do you believe that you can be breaking that contract, while remaining the bride of Yahshua?

I have no idea what you are referring to, or what your point is, or what you are trying to imply or get to . It looks like twisting words to get somewhere, but hopefully not (as love hopes for the best) ... i.e. if you can clarify and want to, then do.

HARK! · Dec 2, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
I have no idea what you are referring to, or what your point is, or what you are trying to imply or get to . It looks like twisting words to get somewhere, but hopefully not (as love hopes for the best) ... i.e. if you can clarify and want to, then do.

I'll make it plain and simple. If one is in a marriage contract with Yahshua; he walks as Yahshua did.

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 2, 2017

HARK! said:
I'll make it plain and simple. If one is in a marriage contract with Yahshua; he walks as Yahshua did.

Thanks !
Where can someone reading go and find out more about this? It seems that in this forum, at least in most sections, the truth cannot be preached very clearly .... (if it offends anyone) .... and of course, the truth is a stumbling block, Christ Crucified is a stumbling block, to Jews and to gentiles, or something like that....
Anyway, though, where can anyone go to learn how to become a child of Yahweh?

listed · Dec 3, 2017

HARK! said:
Romans 9:6-8 “Not as though the word of God has taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall your seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”

The Abrahamic covenant is still in effect. If you are not the physical seed of Abraham; you can still marry into the family through the Yahshuaic Covenent.....

That isn't what the text you quoted and emphasized says. Please see my bolded in your quote.

Galatians 3:28-29 “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

The text you quote clearly says neither are Jews or Greeks. You're clearly trying to prove all who worship God are Jews. The text you quote porves you wrong.

......But if you are the bride of Yahshua; you must walk in the Mosaic Covenant; as Yahshua
did.

No because the bride of Yahshua is redeemed from both sin and the law by Him and established a different covenant (Luke 22:20) sealed with His blood.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 “A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my judgments, and do them.”

Nice try to make Jeremiah and Jesus lairs.

listed · Dec 3, 2017

HARK! said:
I'll make it plain and simple. If one is in a marriage contract with Yahshua; he walks as Yahshua did.

You only make a call to Judaism for salvation.

listed · Dec 3, 2017

Neal of Zebulun said:
It disturbs me that someone will claim the Law is on their heart and then go around teaching that we shouldn't keep it, and even try to entrap someone who's trying.

Thank Yahweh that no man or woman can snatch His elect out of His hand, amen. (John 10:27-30)

The law written on the heart isn't the law issued at Mt Sinai.

HARK! · Dec 3, 2017

listed said:
The law written on the heart isn't the law issued at Mt Sinai.

Proof?

listed · Dec 3, 2017

BobRyan said:
and you keep his commandments as HE claims Ex 20:6, John 14:15, 1 John 5:2-3.

This is the easy part - instead of tossing God's Word out the window - as Christians we highly value it and obey it.

Why then do you toss out so much of it including Moses?

listed · Dec 3, 2017

HARK! said:
Proof?

You don't accept Jeremiah 31:31-33 as truth.

listed · Dec 3, 2017

Neal of Zebulun said:
I have not seen a single verse anywhere in the Bible that tells us:

Do not put Yahweh above everything

Worship idols

Don't care about His Name

Forget His Sabbath

Curse your parents

Murder

Adulterate

Steal

Be a false witness

Covet

Completely antithetical to the Bible. How can anyone argue against the 10 commandments?

I love Yahweh!

As a rule list Christians are to follow to secure and maintain salvation the 10 commandments are invalid. The law is only for the wicked (1 Timothy 1:9-10).

listed · Dec 3, 2017

Neal of Zebulun said:
Tell me, honestly, is it okay with Yahweh, if first cousins marry?

Who did Cain marry? Who did Abraham marry? This obviously changed as the world became populated. It specifically changed in the covenant made with Israel and not before.

1stcenturylady · Dec 3, 2017

Neal of Zebulun said:
That doesn't answer or negate my question.

If you prefer, I will ask another way.

If a man and his father's wife were Christians, but later had children together, would they and their children be damned?

A yes or no will do.

His father's wife would be his mother, so that is incest, a sexual sin. They would need to repent, not keep doing what they were doing. And the man in Corinth did repent and was taken back into the fold. It doesn't say they had children.

But if they both did repent, then the children, if any, would be clean. 1 Cor. 7

1stcenturylady · Dec 3, 2017

Neal of Zebulun said:
It disturbs me that someone will claim the Law is on their heart and then go around teaching that we shouldn't keep it, and even try to entrap someone who's trying.

Thank Yahweh that no man or woman can snatch His elect out of His hand, amen. (John 10:27-30)

If you have misunderstood me in this way, let me just say, I don't teach to break it, I teach there is ANOTHER WAY to keep it.

The Old Covenant had many laws but no way but our carnal nature to keep it. The New Covenant through Jesus' gift to His own who have repented of sin, the Holy Spirit. He is inside us, changing us and giving us the power to not sin. He has made sin dead in us. We now by walking in the Spirit, produce the fruit of the Spirit. And He keeps building on it, giving us more and more power to overcome any temptation that comes along. Our carnal nature is dead so we are not in the flesh/carnal nature but in the Spirit.

But that is only for those who claim Christ, AND also have repented of sin, and have been given the Holy Spirit. There are many Christian denominations who are DEAD. Their doctrines have so twisted the scriptures that they believe grace to be "sin boldly so grace may abound all the more."

If that is what you mean by teaching breaking the laws of God, then I agree with you. Just don't throw me in the mix.

Where the letter of the law kills, the Spirit gives life. I teach Spirit. And I don't mince words. I show the warnings which have been overlooked, too many to account here.

But the Spirit is our power

2 Peter 1
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Also read Galatians 5. It is all about how the Spirit gives us the power to no longer sin.

These are all the commandments we need: 1 John 3:23

Bumble Bee · Dec 3, 2017

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1stcenturylady · Dec 3, 2017

BobRyan said:
and you keep his commandments as HE claims Ex 20:6, John 14:15, 1 John 5:2-3.

This is the easy part - instead of tossing God's Word out the window - as Christians we highly value it and obey it.

Let's look at the New Testament scriptures you quoted.

John 14:15 in context

“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you."

John 15:10

10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Bob, the problem is you see them as the same set of commandments. In a way most of them are, BUT they are kept in a whole new way which makes all the difference in the world, with additions or changes pertaining to Jesus.

"My commandments" are to BELIEVE ON HIM, and to LOVE. Two commandments which we see in 1 John 3:-2

He continues in the other verse you quoted:

Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

So, again, what commandments is being spoken of here. John already said what commandments in chapter 3.

6 By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?

18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. 19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. 20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Bob, I hope you understand this some day. This seems to be about the fourth time I've had to show you WHAT the NT commandments are. The Ten Commandments never told us to believe in the Son of God, or even mentioned the Messiah. Why? Because they were going to be done away with. Now, with the gift of the Holy Spirit in us, when we use the fruit of Spirit, which we must, we keep God's laws NATURALLY, with our new nature.

And I know you know no one on here takes God's name in vain, but we do not keep the Sabbath, and THAT is what you really care about. And as I've said, it seems like 100 times, JESUS is our Sabbath rest. It is all about Him. That is why if we follow Him every moment of every day, we do not have to follow the shadow any longer, as we have the real deal.

Believe on Me, and I will give you REST.

HARK! · Dec 3, 2017

listed said:
You don't accept Jeremiah 31:31-33 as truth.

31 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith Jehovah.

33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people:

I don't see anything here about a new set of laws. YHWH's laws reveal YHWH's nature. Do you really believe that the Creator will change his nature; because some of his creations rebel against him?

Personally, I wouldn't feel very comfortable testing that hypothesis.

1stcenturylady · Dec 3, 2017

HARK! said:
31 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith Jehovah.

33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people:

I don't see anything here about a new set of laws. YHWH's laws reveal YHWH's nature. Do you really believe that the Creator will change his nature; because some of his creations rebel against him?

Personally, I wouldn't feel very comfortable testing that hypothesis.

Read #75 You will find the NT only has 2, but they encompass a myriad.

HARK! · Dec 3, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, (tou theo, the God, YHWH) that we keep HIS commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Found it!

1stcenturylady · Dec 3, 2017

HARK! said:
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, (tou theo, the God, YHWH) that we keep HIS commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Found it!

Yes, and His commandments are:

1. Believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ
2. Love your neighbor as yourself.

HARK! · Dec 3, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
Yes, and His commandments are:

1. Believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ

What is the name of Yahweh's son? It's not Jesus. The name Jesus didn't exist in the time of our Messiah. It's not even a Hebrew name. The Messiah himself said that he came in Yahweh's name. The Messiah's name is a sentence name, as many Hebrew names are. Yah is the hyphenated, or poetic, form of Yahweh. Shua, is the Hebrew word for salvation. Our Messiah's name is Yahshua, or Yahweh is salvation, or Yahweh saves.

Therefore, by saying "believe on the name of His Son Yah-shua;" It can correctly interpreted as "believe Yahweh is salvation"

This is supported in scripture.

YesheYahu (Isa) 43:
11 I, even I, am YHWH; and beside Me there is no savior.

YesheYahu (Isa) 45:21-25
21 Tell and bring them near; yes let them take counsel together: who has declared this from ancient time? who has told it from that time? have not I YHWH? and there is no Elohiym else beside Me; a just Elohiym and a Savior; there is none beside Me.

22 Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am Elohiym, and there is none else.

Hoshea 13:4
4 Yet I am YHWH, your Elohiym from the land of Egypt, and you shall know no ‘god’ but Me: for there is no savior besides Me.

YesheYahu (Isa) 12:2
2 Behold, Elohiym is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for Yahh YHWH is my strength and my song; He is also my salvation.

1stcenturylady said:
2. Love your neighbor as yourself

This verse is nothing new. Yahweh told this to Moses.

(CLV) Lv 19:18
You shall not avenge nor shall you be resentful against the sons of your people. You will love your associate as yourself: I am Yahweh.

These command look very familiar.

1.)

(CLV) Mk 12:29
Jesus (That's Yahshua by the way) answered him that "The foremost precept of all is: Hear, Israel! the Lord (That's Yahweh by the way) our God is one Lord.

(CLV) Mk 12:30
And, You shall be loving the Lord (Yahweh again)your God out of your whole heart, and out of your whole soul, and out of your whole comprehension, and out of your whole strength. This is the foremost precept.

2.)

(CLV) Mk 12:31
And the second is like it: `You shall be loving your associate as yourself.' Now greater than these is not other precept."

Notice that Yahshua didn't say that any other precepts were abolished. He simply said that these two were the greatest, while simultaneously acknowledging the others.

John 14:15 If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments: -- so says Christ

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