Noah's flood is a picture of our baptism...the world/all flesh consumed...when the dove was sent out and found no place to rest the soles of her feet until we see her descending upon Jesus at His baptism in the Jordan...
Yes, this would be a start, of course!
So, this is the Claim - that "Noah was a real live historical person", what evidence do you have to support this claim?
So, this is another claim, let's leave reasons and the why-fors out for the time being and work on substantiating the claim first. In fact, since much of this is reliant on the account of Genesis, perhaps we should start out by verifying why this should be taken at face value straight up? as in Why should I believe the bible?
Could you point to some of these satellite images, or at the very least, the article you reference that point this out?
......sooooooo, you don't have these satellite images? and therefore don't have evidence?? So I have this right, are you saying this evidence is 'going' to come because advance satellite imagery is needed and the military might have it and maybe someone is looking for the garden of eden in the millitary? Are you for real?
This all makes sense - even the bit at the end about all the religions in the area carrying a similar flood myth that matches the timeframe in question. I do note there's nothing in there about an ark, or noah, or wiped out civilizations, etc. Nothing in here matches your river parting four ways, etc. so not sure why you referenced it here?
Wait, What? What 'Other' evidence?? What evidence have you provided already? Bible quotes and unsubstantiated conjecture is not evidence!
Well, if you claim to have evidence, then perhaps we can start there, because so far you haven't actually provided evidence to speak of - Do you even understand the nature of scientific evidence? I don't think you do...
Poppycock. Citation please, feel free to reference those peer-reviewed scientific articles anytime you're ready.
Assertions upon assertions. Where is the EVIDENCE! Especially about the wild/cultivated plants thing - maybe some more of this claimed evidence from your 'experts on Botany'?
You're going too have to start quoting some peer-reviewed science, or provide evidence in support of all these claims. I am aware that cultural references are made to findings such as mitochondrial Eve and Y chromosomal Adam, but these simply do not match the timeframes or narrative of any religious texts and are only referenced to bring instant recognition to the science in context, not because there is any sort of biblical verification I'm *sorry to tell you...
But, no evidence, right?
And still no evidence though?
Of course, no evidence?
I'm sure you could go on, but this is completely insignificant as far as Science is concerned. You have almost exclusively posted biblical quotes and personal opinion as if it were scientifically valid, and it just isn't. The one thing you did link that was based on scientific evidence doesn't support your claims (I'm happy if you were to provide an explanation on why you think it's relevant?). When you're ready, please provide some scientifically valid evidence so we might analyze it together.
Exactly, this media is limited. Many many books would be needed to show all of the evidence. WE can not present the abundant overwhelming amount of evidence on a tiny little post like this.
I am simply telling you that is what the Bible says. That is what Bishop Usshers book says. The people in the Bible are real people. The scientific evidence for this is consistent with the scientific evidence that substantiates all genealogies: DNA. Every man, women and child that has ever lived is on the family tree of the human race. When we get heaven we will see the family tree for every person we are related to. Of course there will be branches cut off because they were not productive and they did not produce fruit. We are told that those branches will be thrown into the fire and God will remember them no more.
Just run a google search guy. Get real. You people may have been born with a silver spoon but somewhere along they way you are going to start to need to feed yourself and quit expecting others to do your work for you. God is going to hold you accountable.
I am quoting the Biology book that you were suppose to read in High School. How old are you? I mean I took High School Biology back in the 60's so at least I have an excuse for not learning this stuff in High School. But I buy used text books off of Google for about $5 for what was a very expensive book but is somewhat outdated. Usually it is just one chapter that needed to be rewritten so we can check into that to be sure the book is accurate and up to date other than that chapter. My son says they want the students to have the most recent revisions so they can use page references and people know where to find the information in the book.
You are missing the point. I am showing you the parts of the Bible that we have scientific evidence for. We are talking about Abraham and his descendants. The evidence is in the research they are doing on DNA. You can study haplotypes or not, that is up to you. But I am not going to spoon feed it to you. Your going to have to put a little bit of effort into this IF you want to know the truth. In this case you can read up on haplotypes in Wiki Haplotype - Wikipedia. In the Bible we are talking about the Cohan haplotype or y chromosome aaron. Y-chromosomal Aaron - Wikipedia
I have tons of evidence. Hundreds of thousands of science books that proves the Bible is true beyond any reasonable doubt. You have to abandon reason if you want to deny the truth we find in our Bible.
The flood is not a myth it is a paradigm. There is a huge difference. Just like evolution theory is not a myth is it a paradigm. This is why we have paradigm shifts in science and even paradigm shifts in how we define evolutionary theory. A new synthesis: Neo Darwinism for example, makes for a paradigm shift.
Yes I provided you evidence for the Garden of Eden: Your High School Biology book. More exactly the chapter or unit in your high school biology book on bio diverse Eco system or ecology. We can keep going over and over this if you want. I personally am a slow learner and I need many reputations. So I have a bit of understanding for people that just do not get it the first time around.
I think you need to look the word up in Hebrew. There is clearly a difference between the word adamah and the word erets. "Adamah (Biblical Hebrew : אדמה) is a word, translatable as ground or earth, which occurs in the Biblical account of Creation of the Book of Genesis." (Wiki) Adamah is a word used for the land that Adam came from. Eden in the Bible was a bio diverse eco system. This is something you can read about in your High School Biology book .
The seasons are caused by the moon holding the earth at a tilt.
Surely though you could provide at leaast something of substance? This isn't hard if as you say there is in fact evidence of a scientific nature to support this.
I could say that I'm closely related to the Queen of England and scientific evidence would also be consistent with my claim too - doesn't make it real though. To demonstrate that is the actual case, I would require Evidence. Perhaps DNA Evidence, or birth records could be contributory (but not overwhelming) evidence too. Again, what you're providing here is wind and no evidence.
Really? I searched "satellite garden of eden" and got nothing of value (scientifically speaking of course). Here's some links and my observations off the first page:
NONE of the high school biology text books spruik any nonsense about Adam and Eve or Noah and his family that we're all allegedly descended from. At least drop a reference to whatever it is thinks supports your claim so we can see it for the rubbish it actually is.
Nothing in this research about populations that are alive today speaks to there being an Abraham or Noah or even Adam. Feel free to present it if you have any...
I agree (with Evolution being fact), but I find that YEC and Fundamentalists frequently discount the Theory of Evolution because it doesn't support their pet belief, facts be damned... Since we're still very light on supporting evidence, perhaps any info about this mitochondrial eve (circa 150,000BCE) supporting your assertions might help your case??
Then for Pete's Sake, Supply Something, Anything at all to support your case!!! Why keep it all to yourself if you seem to think it's so relevant??
.... This has nothing to do with the Bible. There's nothing about anything to support your 'seeds on the Ark' conjecture - could you try explaining why this is supposed to support your claim?
I already have. Are you reading my posts? I am giving you plenty of scientific evidence for what we read in our Bible. As much as I can with the media we are using. The problem is YOU have to do something and you can not expect others to do for you what only you can do for yourself.
Do me the courtesy of addressing my points! You don't just get to ignore each and every one of my legitimate addressals pretending I either didn't make them or that they othewise don't count.
Thank you for showing a picture that shows just what I've been talking about.
Here's a basic introduction to structural geology you probably need to look at. In particular, slides 5-8, 13, 29-39,for coverage on what & how folds in rock occurs without cracks.
Yes, this is true. In spite of "evidence" given by young earth creationists, there is no evidence for a global flood. Or I should say, the evidence presented is woefully inadequate when compared with the evidence of modern geological science. I mean, heck; there is even evidence that the moon landing was a hoax, that the earth is flat, that 9/11 was via demolition not airplanes, chemtrails, and etc.
