John 14:15 If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments: -- so says Christ

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This is why the letter of the law kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Amen! "He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.
 
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Amen!

"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3
Christ is the one who gave us the TEN Commandments Hebrews 8:1-12

So then it was HE who "MADE the Sabbath FOR MANKIND" Mark 2:27
Of course it is not okay. But love replaces commandments. If you LOVE God, you don't take His name in vain "
and you keep his commandments as HE claims Ex 20:6, John 14:15, 1 John 5:2-3.

This is the easy part - instead of tossing God's Word out the window - as Christians we highly value it and obey it.
 
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and you keep his commandments as HE claims Ex 20:6, John 14:15, 1 John 5:2-3.

This is the easy part - instead of tossing God's Word out the window - as Christians we highly value it and obey it.

What does it mean that we "establish" the law?
 
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Still cutting and pasting I see.

We are not under the Ten Commandments, nor the sacrificial system, nor the clean foods only, nor circumcision IF we walk in the Spirit.

I do, so I am not under your laws.

They're not RobRyan's laws. They're YHWH's laws.

If we walk in the Spirit; we keep YHWH's law!

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We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them.


What is sin?

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Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
 
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They're not RobRyan's laws. They're YHWH's laws.

If we walk in the Spirit; we keep YHWH's law!

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We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them.


What is sin?

New International Version
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.

What I meant by Bob's laws was his telling us we must be under them.
 
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I would ask Bob to forgive me if I am wrong; but I believe that he is trying to tell us that we are not above the law.

If we walk in the law; we are neither under the law, nor above the law. We are in harmony with the law.


Psalm 119Names of God Bible (NOG)
Psalm 119a]">[a]
1 Blessed are those whose lives have integrity,
those who follow the teachings of Yahweh.
2 Blessed are those who obey his written instructions.
They wholeheartedly search for him.
3 They do nothing wrong.
They follow his directions.
4 You have commanded
that your guiding principles be carefully followed.
5 I pray that my ways may become firmly established
so that I can obey your laws.
6 Then I will never feel ashamed
when I study all your commandments.
7 I will give thanks to you
as I learn your regulations, which are based on your righteousness.
8 I will obey your laws.
Never abandon me.

9 How can a young person keep his life pure?
He can do it by holding on to your word.
10 I wholeheartedly searched for you.
Do not let me wander away from your commandments.
11 I have treasured your promise in my heart
so that I may not sin against you.
12 Thanks be to you, O Yahweh.
Teach me your laws.
13 With my lips I have repeated
every regulation that comes from your mouth.
14 I find joy in the way shown by your written instructions
more than I find joy in all kinds of riches.
15 I want to reflect on your guiding principles
and study your ways.
16 Your laws make me happy.
I never forget your word.

17 Be kind to me so that I may live
and hold on to your word.
18 Uncover my eyes
so that I may see the miraculous things in your teachings.
19 I am a foreigner in this world.
Do not hide your commandments from me.
20 My soul is overwhelmed with endless longing for your regulations.
21 You threaten arrogant people, who are condemned
and wander away from your commandments.
22 Remove the insults and contempt that have fallen on me
because I have obeyed your written instructions.
23 Even though influential people plot against me,
I reflect on your laws.
24 Indeed, your written instructions make me happy.
They are my best friends.

25 I am close to death.
Give me a new life as you promised.
26 I told you what I have done, and you answered me.
Teach me your laws.
27 Help me understand your guiding principles
so that I may reflect on your miracles.
28 I am drowning in tears.
Strengthen me as you promised.
29 Turn me away from a life of lies.
Graciously provide me with your teachings.
30 I have chosen a life of faithfulness.
I have set your regulations in front of me.
31 I have clung tightly to your written instructions.
O Yahweh, do not let me be put to shame.
32 I will eagerly pursue your commandments
because you continue to increase my understanding.

33 Teach me, O Yahweh, how to live by your laws,
and I will obey them to the end.
34 Help me understand so that I can follow your teachings.
I will guard them with all my heart.
35 Lead me on the path of your commandments,
because I am happy with them.
36 Direct my heart toward your written instructions
rather than getting rich in underhanded ways.
37 Turn my eyes away from worthless things.
Give me a new life in your ways.
38 Keep your promise to me
so that I can fear you.
39 Take away insults, which I dread,
because your regulations are good.
40 I long for your guiding principles.
Give me a new life in your righteousness.

41 Let your blessings reach me, O Yahweh.
Save me as you promised.
42 Then I will have an answer for the one who insults me
since I trust your word.
43 Do not take so much as a single word of truth from my mouth.
My hope is based on your regulations.
44 I will follow your teachings forever and ever.
45 I will walk around freely
because I sought out your guiding principles.
46 I will speak about your written instructions in the presence of kings
and not feel ashamed.
47 Your commandments, which I love, make me happy.
48 I lift my hands in prayer because of your commandments,
which I love.
I will reflect on your laws.

49 Remember the word you gave me.
Through it you gave me hope.
50 This is my comfort in my misery:
Your promise gave me a new life.
51 Arrogant people have mocked me with cruelty,
yet I have not turned away from your teachings.
52 I remembered your regulations from long ago, O Yahweh,
and I found comfort in them.
53 I am burning with anger because of wicked people,
who abandon your teachings.
54 Your laws have become like psalms to me
in this place where I am only a foreigner.
55 At night I remember your name, O Yahweh,
and I follow your teachings.
56 This has happened to me
because I have obeyed your guiding principles.

57 You are my inheritance, O Yahweh.
I promised to hold on to your words.
58 With all my heart I want to win your favor.
Be kind to me as you promised.
59 I have thought about my life,
and I have directed my feet back to your written instructions.
60 Without any hesitation I hurry to obey your commandments.
61 Though the ropes of wicked people are tied around me,
I never forget your teachings.
62 At midnight I wake up to give thanks to you
for the regulations, which are based on your righteousness.
63 I am a friend to everyone who fears you
and to everyone who follows your guiding principles.
64 Your mercy, O Yahweh, fills the earth.
Teach me your laws.

65 You have treated me well, O Yahweh,
as you promised.
66 Teach me to use good judgment and knowledge,
because I believe in your commandments.
67 Before you made me suffer, I used to wander off,
but now I hold on to your word.
68 You are good, and you do good things.
Teach me your laws.
69 Arrogant people have smeared me with lies,
yet I obey your guiding principles with all my heart.
70 Their hearts are cold and insensitive,
yet I am happy with your teachings.
71 It was good that I had to suffer
in order to learn your laws.
72 The teachings that come from your mouth are worth more to me
than thousands in gold or silver.

73 Your hands created me and made me what I am.
Help me understand so that I may learn your commandments.
74 Those who fear you will see me and rejoice,
because my hope is based on your word.
75 I know that your regulations are fair, O Yahweh,
and that you were right to make me suffer.
76 Let your mercy comfort me
as you promised.
77 Let your compassion reach me so that I may live,
because your teachings make me happy.
78 Let arrogant people be put to shame
because they lied about me,
yet I reflect on your guiding principles.
79 Let those who fear you turn to me
so that they can come to know your written instructions.
80 Let my heart be filled with integrity in regard to your laws
so that I will not be put to shame.

81 My soul is weak from waiting for you to save me.
My hope is based on your word.
82 My eyes have become strained from looking for your promise.
I ask, “When will you comfort me?”
83 Although I have become like a shriveled and dried out wineskin,
I have not forgotten your laws.
84 What is left of my life?
When will you bring those who persecute me to justice?
85 Arrogant people have dug pits to trap me
in defiance of your teachings.
86 (All your commandments are reliable.)
Those people persecute me with lies. Help me!
87 They almost wiped me off the face of the earth.
But I did not abandon your guiding principles.
88 Give me a new life through your mercy
so that I may obey the written instructions,
which came from your mouth.

89 O Yahweh, your word is established in heaven forever.
90 Your faithfulness endures throughout every generation.
You set the earth in place, and it continues to stand.
91 All things continue to stand today because of your regulations,
since they are all your servants.
92 If your teachings had not made me happy,
then I would have died in my misery.
93 I will never forget your guiding principles,
because you gave me a new life through them.
94 I am yours.
Save me, because I have searched for your guiding principles.
95 The wicked people have waited for me in order to destroy me,
yet I want to understand your written instructions.
96 I have seen a limit to everything else,
but your commandments have no limit.

97 Oh, how I love your teachings!
They are in my thoughts all day long.
98 Your commandments make me wiser than my enemies,
because your commandments are always with me.
99 I have more insight than all my teachers,
because your written instructions are in my thoughts.
100 I have more wisdom than those with many years of experience,
because I have obeyed your guiding principles.
101 I have kept my feet from walking on any evil path
in order to obey your word.
102 I have not neglected your regulations,
because you have taught me.
103 How sweet the taste of your promise is!
It tastes sweeter than honey.
104 From your guiding principles I gain understanding.
That is why I hate every path that leads to lying.

105 Your word is a lamp for my feet
and a light for my path.
106 I took an oath, and I will keep it.
I took an oath to follow your regulations,
which are based on your righteousness.
107 I have suffered so much.
Give me a new life, O Yahweh, as you promised.
108 Please accept the praise I gladly give you, O Yahweh,
and teach me your regulations.
109 I always take my life into my own hands,
but I never forget your teachings.
110 Wicked people have set a trap for me,
but I have never wandered away from your guiding principles.
111 Your written instructions are mine forever.
They are the joy of my heart.
112 I have decided to obey your laws.
They offer a reward that never ends.

113 I hate two-faced people,
but I love your teachings.
114 You are my hiding place and my shield.
My hope is based on your word.
115 Get away from me, you evildoers,
so that I can obey the commandments of my Elohim.
116 Help me Elohim, as you promised, so that I may live.
Do not turn my hope into disappointment.
117 Hold me, and I will be safe,
and I will always respect your laws.
118 You reject all who wander away from your laws,
because their lies mislead them.b]">[b]
119 You get rid of all wicked people on earth as if they were rubbish.
That is why I love your written instructions.
120 My body shudders in fear of you,
and I am afraid of your regulations.

121 I have done what is fair and right.
Do not leave me at the mercy of those who oppress me.
122 Guarantee my well-being.
Do not let arrogant people oppress me.
123 My eyes are strained from looking for you to save me
and from looking for the fulfillment of your righteous promise.
124 Treat me with kindness,
and teach me your laws.
125 I am your servant.
Help me understand
so that I may come to know your written instructions.
126 It is time for you to act, O Yahweh.c]">[c]
Even though people have abolished your teachings,
127 I love your commandments more than gold, more than pure gold.
128 I follow the straight paths of your guiding principles.
I hate every pathway that leads to lying.

129 Your written instructions are miraculous.
That is why I obey them.
130 Your word is a doorway that lets in light,
and it helps gullible people understand.
131 I open my mouth and pant
because I long for your commandments.
132 Turn toward me, and have pity on me
as you have pledged to do for those who love your name.
133 Make my steps secure through your promise,
and do not let any sin control me.
134 Save me from human oppression
so that I may obey your guiding principles.
135 Smile on me,
and teach me your laws.
136 Streams of tears flow from my eyes
because others do not follow your teachings.

137 You are righteous, O Yahweh,
and your regulations are fair.
138 You have issued your written instructions.
They are fair and completely dependable.
139 My devotion for your words consumes me,
because my enemies have forgotten your words.
140 Your promise has been thoroughly tested,
and I love it.
141 I am unimportant and despised,
yet I never forget your guiding principles.
142 Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness,
and your teachings are reliable.
143 Trouble and hardship have found me,
but your commandments still make me happy.
144 Your written instructions are always right.
Help me understand them so that I will live.

145 I have called out with all my heart. Answer me, O Yahweh.
I want to obey your laws.
146 I have called out.
Save me, so that I can obey your written instructions.
147 I got up before dawn, and I cried out for help.
My hope is based on your word.
148 My eyes are wide-open throughout the nighttime hours
to reflect on your word.
149 In keeping with your mercy, hear my voice.
O Yahweh, give me a new life guided by your regulations.
150 Those who carry out plots against me are near,
yet they are far away from your teachings.
151 You are near, O Yahweh,
and all your commandments are reliable.
152 Long ago I learned from your written instructions
that you made them to last forever.

153 Look at my misery, and rescue me,
because I have never forgotten your teachings.
154 Plead my case for me, and save me.
Give me a new life as you promised.
155 Wicked people are far from being saved,
because they have not searched for your laws.
156 Your acts of compassion are many in number, O Yahweh.
Give me a new life guided by your regulations.
157 I have many persecutors and opponents,
yet I have not turned away from your written instructions.
158 I have seen traitors,
and I am filled with disgust.
They have not accepted your promise.
159 See how I have loved your guiding principles!
O Yahweh, in keeping with your mercy, give me a new life.
160 There is nothing but truth in your word,
and all of your righteous regulations endure forever.

161 Influential people have persecuted me for no reason,
but it is only your words that fill my heart with terror.
162 I find joy in your promise
like someone who finds a priceless treasure.
163 I hate lying; I am disgusted with it.
I love your teachings.
164 Seven times a day I praise you
for your righteous regulations.
165 There is lasting peace for those who love your teachings.
Nothing can make those people stumble.
166 I have waited with hope for you to save me, O Yahweh.
I have carried out your commandments.
167 I have obeyed your written instructions.
I have loved them very much.
168 I have followed your guiding principles and your written instructions,
because my whole life is in front of you.

169 Let my cry for help come into your presence, O Yahweh.
Help me understand as you promised.
170 Let my plea for mercy come into your presence.
Rescue me as you promised.
171 Let my lips pour out praise
because you teach me your laws.
172 Let my tongue sing about your promise
because all your commandments are fair.
173 Let your hand help me
because I have chosen to follow your guiding principles.
174 I have longed for you to save me, O Yahweh,
and your teachings make me happy.
175 Let my soul have new life so that it can praise you.
Let your regulations help me.
176 I have wandered away like a lost lamb.
Search for me,
because I have never forgotten your commandments.
 
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My best friend's parents were first cousins. Are they and their offspring damned?
No.

But answer me this, as plainly as I answered you:

If a brother and sister were Christians, but later they married and had children together, would they and their children be damned?
 
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I have not seen a single verse anywhere in the Bible that tells us:
  1. Do not put Yahweh above everything
  2. Worship idols
  3. Don't care about His Name
  4. Forget His Sabbath
  5. Curse your parents
  6. Murder
  7. Adulterate
  8. Steal
  9. Be a false witness
  10. Covet
Completely antithetical to the Bible. How can anyone argue against the 10 commandments?

I love Yahweh!
How? They do, that's how. Yahweh did not take away their free will to disobey.
 
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No.

But answer me this, as plainly as I answered you:

If a brother and sister were Christians, but later they married and had children together, would they and their children be damned?

Abraham and Sarah were brother and sister. Is Isaac damned?
 
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Abraham and Sarah were brother and sister. Is Isaac damned?
That doesn't answer or negate my question.

If you prefer, I will ask another way.

If a man and his father's wife were Christians, but later had children together, would they and their children be damned?

A yes or no will do.
 
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That doesn't answer or negate my question.

If you prefer, I will ask another way.

If a man and his father's wife were Christians, but later had children together, would they and their children be damned?

A yes or no will do.
Not really (a yes or no will not do).
For instance,
in heaven, is there anyone who is greedy, or an adulterer, or gay ? (no)
God's Judgment is Perfect, Righteous, and Always True.
 
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Not really (a yes or no will not do).
For instance,
in heaven, is there anyone who is greedy, or an adulterer, or gay ? (no)

You do realize that you just answered your own question with a simple no; after you said that a simple yes or no wouldn't do?

No?
 
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You do realize that you just answered your own question with a simple no; after you said that a simple yes or no wouldn't do?

No?
No, sorry.
How can a thief or an adulterer or someone who is greedy or a gay person
be forgiven and born again so they can
be new creations looking forward to being alive in the new heavens or the new earth ?
 
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No, sorry.
How can a thief or an adulterer or someone who is greedy or a gay person
be forgiven and born again so they can
be new creations looking forward to being alive in the new heavens or the new earth ?
I'm speaking about when a Christian does these things, some one who has already been born again.

But if you mean someone who has never turned to Christ before: 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.
 
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I'm speaking about when a Christian does these things, some one who has already been born again.

But if you mean someone who has never turned to Christ before: 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.
It doesn't really matter does it ?
There will be and is in heaven when we(whoever) get there no one who is greedy , and adulterer, gay or effeminate or a thief
in heaven.
 
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No, sorry.
How can a thief or an adulterer or someone who is greedy or a gay person
be forgiven and born again so they can
be new creations looking forward to being alive in the new heavens or the new earth ?


(CLV) Lk 7:41
"Two debtors paying usury were owing a certain creditor. The one owed five hundred denarii, yet the other fifty.

(CLV) Lk 7:42
Now, they having nothing to pay, he deals graciously with both. Which of them, then, will be loving him more?"
 
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footnote:
Luke 7:29 various translations from Biblegateway >>
CSB
(And when all the people, including the tax collectors, heard this, they acknowledged God’s way of righteousness, because they had been baptized with John’s baptism.
CEB
Everyone who heard this, including the tax collectors, acknowledged God’s justice because they had been baptized by John.
CJB
All the people who heard him, even the tax-collectors, by undergoing Yochanan’s immersion acknowledged that God was right;
TLV
And when all the people heard, even the tax collectors, they affirmed God’s justice, because they had been immersed with John’s immersion.
 
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