Does the ELCA have social teachings on the gay wedding controversy?

FireDragon76 said:

I'm just using it as an example. They tend to be the most common group that takes this notion of instant holiness as a given. We Lutherans reject it. Our lives are complicated, we are saints yes, but we are also sinners at the same time. Therefore, we don't play God, we don't speak for God unless it is clear through biblical evidence and plain reason. Not just pious whims so common in other evangelical churches. We actually want rock-solid certainty before we go spouting off what is God's design or God's will.

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Mskriskris said:

Do you know what righteous judgement mean, and the difference between unrighteous and righteous judgement?

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Mskriskris said:

Denominational problems aside (since I have none lol), righteous judgement had nothing to do with instant holiness. Nor has that been implied at all. Righteous judgement is judging, or coming to a decision based on the authority of the Word, as oppose to leaning on your own understanding. The Christian baker saying "no", whether or not it makes people feel less happy, is them exercising righteous judgement. Its a decision that is based on what the Word of God already clearly established about associating yourself with it (ex. of righteous judgement: The Word of God said not to associate, doing this act will have me associate, therefore I can't do this act.) My argument is that they should not be forced to say yes, they should have that right to say "yes" or "no". I would not shame them, because I know why they would say "no". I still stand by that, so idk what else to say.

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ViaCrucis said:

"I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral persons— not at all meaning the immoral of this world, or the greedy and robbers, or idolaters, since you would then need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother or sister who is sexually immoral or greedy, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or robber. Do not even eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging those outside? Is it not those who are inside that you are to judge? God will judge those outside. 'Drive out the wicked person from among you.'" - 1 Corinthians 5:9-13

-CryptoLutheran

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ViaCrucis said:

Who, besides God, can judge in righteousness?

-CryptoLutheran

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FireDragon76 said:

No, that's a failure to distinguish Law and Gospel. Not everything God commands we can obey. Sin is present in our lives from birth to death. God's commands often show us our sinfulness, our inability and need for his grace.

You should not come to a Lutheran forum and lecture us on what the Bible says. You should come with an open mind, or not come at all. Our church has spoken, we will not countenance discrimination against sexual minorities. You are free to accept that or not, but you cannot challenge what is Evangelical Lutheran teaching.

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