The definition of sin

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Religion in general, and Christianity in particular, does not always want things to be clear. If, for instance, a clear outcome is expected after a session of prayer, then the effectiveness of prayer will be shown to be statistically equivalent to randomness.

However, a religion like Islam, as far as I understand, makes it absolutely clear what is considered right and wrong. Any contradiction in scripture is resolved by the understanding that a later statement overrides an earlier statement. So Muslims have a clear understanding of what is expected of them (even though most, fortunately, ignore the clear commands to murder people). While being easily the world's most despicable religion, Islam is nevertheless clear, concise, and well defined by religious standards.

Christianity, on the other hand, does not make it clear what is right or wrong. One might think that the rules are similar to Islam in that the New Testament overrides the Old Testament, but that does not seem to actually be the case. Jesus and Paul, the two main founders of Christianity, did away with much of the Old Testament, but John - the fourth most important founder of Christianity behind Peter - says in 1 John 3:4 that "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." It would seem to make sense that the law as dictated by God through Moses is the "objective morality" that some Christians refer to, which would mean that sin is defined as defiance of any of the 600+ commandments in the law. Yet, essentially no Christian on earth would attest to the absolute authority of everything listed in the Mosaic law.

I've never gotten a clear answer on this issue. Worse, I don't know if I've ever even seen two Christians agree on this. Worst, this is the criteria by which we will be evaluated as worthy of eternal hellfire, and yet we have no access to this criteria.

The purpose of this thread is for someone to present a clear definition of sin. I must be able to apply your definition to any conceivable scenario and determine for myself if an action qualifies as sinful. If you think my expectations are unreasonable, please explain why Islam is capable doing this.
 

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Religion in general, and Christianity in particular, does not always want things to be clear. If, for instance, a clear outcome is expected after a session of prayer, then the effectiveness of prayer will be shown to be statistically equivalent to randomness.

However, a religion like Islam, as far as I understand, makes it absolutely clear what is considered right and wrong. Any contradiction in scripture is resolved by the understanding that a later statement overrides an earlier statement. So Muslims have a clear understanding of what is expected of them (even though most, fortunately, ignore the clear commands to murder people). While being easily the world's most despicable religion, Islam is nevertheless clear, concise, and well defined by religious standards.

I would not describe Islam in that way, nor is it free from people having differences of opinion on matters of interpretation.

Christianity, on the other hand, does not make it clear what is right or wrong. One might think that the rules are similar to Islam in that the New Testament overrides the Old Testament, but that does not seem to actually be the case. Jesus and Paul, the two main founders of Christianity, did away with much of the Old Testament, but John - the fourth most important founder of Christianity behind Peter - says in 1 John 3:4 that "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." It would seem to make sense that the law as dictated by God through Moses is the "objective morality" that some Christians refer to, which would mean that sin is defined as defiance of any of the 600+ commandments in the law. Yet, essentially no Christian on earth would attest to the absolute authority of everything listed in the Mosaic law.

I've never gotten a clear answer on this issue. Worse, I don't know if I've ever even seen two Christians agree on this. Worst, this is the criteria by which we will be evaluated as worthy of eternal hellfire, and yet we have no access to this criteria.

The purpose of this thread is for someone to present a clear definition of sin. I must be able to apply your definition to any conceivable scenario and determine for myself if an action qualifies as sinful. If you think my expectations are unreasonable, please explain why Islam is capable doing this.

I disagree that Jesus or Paul sinned in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2 by doing away with even the smallest part of the Law. I agree that sin is defined as the transgression of the Mosaic Law and attest to the absolute authority of everything listed in it, however there are more things that are righteous or sinful than the Law specifically prescribes or prohibits. The Law is spiritual (Romans 7:14), so it has always been meant to teach us deeper spiritual principles to live by of which the listed laws are just examples, and those principles are the attributes of God, such as holiness, righteousness, goodness (Romans 7:12), justice, mercy, faithfulness (Matthew 23:23), love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, kindness, and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23, Exodus 34:6-7). There are many verses that refer to the Mosaic Law as being God's instructions for how to walk in His ways (Deuteronomy 10:12-13), so they teach us how to reflect His image/attributes to the world, which means that sin is any action that is against His attributes.
 
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There are going to be many ways of talking about sin because it can be considered from many different angles. The Bible does not limit itself to one definition. I don't disagree with what the other posters have proposed. Although I'm not quite sure what @RaymondG means. Still, I think my definition is a good starting point.
 
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Sin is any transgression of or lack of conformity to the Law of God.

To be clear, are you saying that it is sinful to work on the Sabbath? Is it sinful to not execute someone for working on the Sabbath? Also... pork and shellfish?
 
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Sin is the precised separation from God. If God is up there and you are right here, then you are a sinner. The first and greatest commandment....Hear...the Lord our God is One Lord.......

Sorry, this explains nothing.
 
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I would not describe Islam in that way, nor is it free from people having differences of opinion on matters of interpretation.

The difference of opinion lies in the fact that Islam clearly commands murder. Because most Muslims would rather not do that, they twist the meaning of their holy book. Christians do the exact same thing with about 90% of what Jesus said.



I disagree that Jesus or Paul sinned in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2 by doing away with even the smallest part of the Law. I agree that sin is defined as the transgression of the Mosaic Law and attest to the absolute authority of everything listed in it, however there are more things that are righteous or sinful than the Law specifically prescribes or prohibits. The Law is spiritual (Romans 7:14), so it has always been meant to teach us deeper spiritual principles to live by of which the listed laws are just examples, and those principles are the attributes of God, such as holiness, righteousness, goodness (Romans 7:12), justice, mercy, faithfulness (Matthew 23:23), love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, kindness, and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23, Exodus 34:6-7). There are many verses that refer to the Mosaic Law as being God's instructions for how to walk in His ways (Deuteronomy 10:12-13), so they teach us how to reflect His image/attributes to the world, which means that sin is any action that is against His attributes.

This does not make it clear to me what sin is. It sounds like you're saying that sin is violation of the law, but then you also suggest there's other poorly defined aspects to it.
 
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There are going to be many ways of talking about sin because it can be considered from many different angles. The Bible does not limit itself to one definition. I don't disagree with what the other posters have proposed. Although I'm not quite sure what @RaymondG means. Still, I think my definition is a good starting point.
I meant to say perceived.....I corrected it....see if you understand what I meant now......If you do..then I am wrong.
 
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Sorry, this explains nothing.
I had a typo in there that I corrected, although I expect your response to be the same. The truth is known, not understood or learned. If any man lack wisdom...let him ask of God who will give it freely.
 
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Sin is, at the forefront, the absence of salvation in Jesus Christ. Sinful acts following salvation are willful departures from God's plan for your life. Repentance is called for: 1 John 1:9.

Sorry, but this does not clarify anything for me.
 
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There are going to be many ways of talking about sin because it can be considered from many different angles. The Bible does not limit itself to one definition. I don't disagree with what the other posters have proposed. Although I'm not quite sure what @RaymondG means. Still, I think my definition is a good starting point.

Is it fair for us to be gravely responsible for our sins without knowing what exactly constitutes sin?
 
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I had a typo in there that I corrected, although I expect your response to be the same. The truth is known, not understood or learned. If any man lack wise...let him ask of God you will give it freely.

Again, if there were clear expectations for prayer, then Christians would be forced to admit how useless it obviously is. Don't tell me to pray to God for an answer unless you are able to show me that prayer has predictable and repeatable results.
 
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Is it fair for us to be gravely responsible for our sins without knowing what exactly constitutes sin?
I am come that you might have life and that you might have it more abundantly. Those whom the son set free are free indeed. It is up to you to stand in the liberty wherewith christ has made you free.......or be entangled again in the yoke of bonage.....which is sin.
 
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Again, if there were clear expectations for prayer, then Christians would be forced to admit how useless it obviously is. Don't tell me to pray to God for an answer unless you are able to show me that prayer has predictable and repeatable results.
I can show you. Every prayer you pray will be answered. The obstacle I foresee however, is the requirement of belief. Can't cook an egg without the heat of the fire.
 
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I am come that you might have life and that you might have it more abundantly. Those whom the son set free are free indeed.

Obviously false. There's nothing liberating about having the inclination to touch, yet feeling guilty about doing it.

It is up to you to stand in the liberty wherewith christ has made you free.......or be entangled again in the yoke of bonage.....which is sin.

Nonsensical.

I can show you. Every prayer you pray will be answered. The obstacle I foresee however, is the requirement of belief. Can't cook an egg without the heat of the fire.

I believed for the first 18 years of my life. I was given nothing. I don't see why I should give anything more until I see results.
 
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The difference of opinion lies in the fact that Islam clearly commands murder. Because most Muslims would rather not do that, they twist the meaning of their holy book. Christians do the exact same thing with about 90% of what Jesus said.

I would recommend the book No God but One by Nabeel Quereshi, who was an ex-Muslim who converted to Christianity, which compares and contrasts their teachings.

This does not make it clear to me what sin is. It sounds like you're saying that sin is violation of the law, but then you also suggest there's other poorly defined aspects to it.

Sin is inclusive of everything the Law prohibits, but the Law was never intended as an exhaustive list of everything that is sinful, so if that's what you're looking for, then you won't find it. For example, God is righteous and He has given instructions for how to act in accordance with His righteousness, but there are more ways to do that than by following those instructions. Rather, those instructions were given to teach us how to live according to the principle of righteousness so that we can know what to do when we come across situations that not listed in the Bible. For example, the Bible doesn't specifically say anything about stem cell research, so rather than taking the position that it is not specifically prohibited by the Bible, so it must be ok, we can base our decision off of the principles that are taught in the Bible. So it should be clear to you that sin includes everything that transgresses Law and from that we can infer other things that are sin. Things that are not explicitly prohibited are naturally not as clear, but are not poorly defined either.
 
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I agree that sin is defined as the transgression of the Mosaic Law
But sin was defined before the mosaic law.

Genesis 4:6-7 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
The concept of sin exists apart from the law. Cain knew that he had sinned.
 
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