Why Jeremiah 31:31-34 is YESHUA'S NEW Covenant

ralliann · Nov 27, 2017

Ken Rank said:
See, even "new heaven and new earth" in Hebrew (chadashah) and Greek (kainos) are not brand new. God is going to restore the earth He created, not create a brand new earth. So "new" is not correct there and it isn't correct in Jer. 31:31 or Heb. 8:8... it just isn't.

IMO, you are focused upon the wrong terms..... A new creation
Ge 1:1 In the beginning God created <01254> the heaven and the earth.
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create <01254> new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create <01254>: for, behold, I create <01254> Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Ken Rank said:
It is a renewed covenant according to both the Hebrew and Greek which then stands in line with the idea of an "everlasting covenant." Otherwise, you end up with a God calling the covenant everlasting when it wasn't..

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear
Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Faith according to hope
Ro 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

Ken Rank said:
And everlasting DOES mean everlasting... please don't go where many try to here... by undermine the word olam. If you do, you might undermine God Himself as He called Himself olam and we know He has no end.

My attempts to apply Apostolic teaching on these subjects. That is where I try to go.
Concerning everlasting...The covenant made in Genesis 17, to Abe, Isaac, and Jacob is truly ETERNAL, everlasting....Because it was by the swearing of an oath, which swearing is without repentance on God's part.
Heb 6:16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.
Heb 6:17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
Heb 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

And again
Ga 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man’s covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

The covenant made in Genesis 17

Ge 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

Ge 22:16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son

Also, The birthright of this covenant.......
Isaac as an only born= sole heir of all that belongs to his father.....
Ge 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

As Hebrews tells us
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Ge 25:5 And Abraham gave all that he had unto Isaac.
Ge 25:6 But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet lived, eastward, unto the east country.

Israel as firstborn has a double portion
1st portion the inheritance of this world this life.....
2nd portion the inheritance of the next world and the next life......

Lu 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Lu 13:29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

Ken Rank · Nov 27, 2017

It is always amusing that when a person says they are not seeking anything beyond where they are currently at on a topic, that others still feel the need to correct that person and make sure their position is known. Folks... I don't care... neither of you have addressed chadashah and kainos and only after you can show that both words DON'T mean to renew or make fresh, THEN I will listen. Until then, I stopped reading. Sorry....

ralliann · Nov 27, 2017

Ken Rank said:
It is always amusing that when a person says they are not seeking anything beyond where they are currently at on a topic, that others still feel the need to correct that person and make sure their position is known. Folks... I don't care... neither of you have addressed chadashah and kainos and only after you can show that both words DON'T mean to renew or make fresh, THEN I will listen. Until then, I stopped reading. Sorry....

As feared, a divisive issue.

Shimshon · Nov 27, 2017

Ken Rank said:
Don't feel the need to try to teach me, I am not seeking on this subject.

Now THAT is crystal clear from your responses. Yet, you are trying to teach it here. I speak to you so others will garner good food from this interaction. See Ken, life is never only about yourself, it's about those around you. And the relationships you can form.

Ken Rank said:
If you have your mind made up, that is fine. In the big picture here, I am not sure how much this matters.

Ken Rank said:
You're welcome to disagree but

But, again, I don't believe this to be a dividing issue.
Shalom.
Ken

Ken Rank said:
I am not interested in getting into a theological peeing match. If you want to ignore that the underlying Hebrew and Greek for new (as in new covenant) is really renew... go ahead. Your problem then is not with me, it is with the bible.

I'm not trying to teach you Ken. But it seems I am NOT welcome to disagree with you? I'm presenting your errors according to the exact same scriptures you claim to uphold. Why is there a division in our explanations? Well, it seems that doesn't matter to you, your not seeking on this subject. AND you don't want to learn anything different about your unbiblical positions. Yet, you say I am free to disagree.......BUT you don't want to hear the disagreements? LOL, OK Ken. I expected way much better of a response from you than this. Noted.... another one way street.

Blood Bought 1953 · Nov 27, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
I'm sorry if I upset you. I just don't take anything for granted when I see signs that someone doesn't "get it." But I'm glad you do not have a desire to sin.That is key.

You would be surprised at the number of people going to church every week that aren't saved. They expect Jesus to save them when they haven't even repented of their sin! Why? Because they don't know they must. That teaching is missing from their pulpits. It is the reason John the Baptist came first preaching repentance to make way for Jesus

I can’t correct typos...my iPad is shot....no need to apologize....I not upset I have heard some preachers say they believe over half the congregation is lost...not a surprise— many preachers do not believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus..".they say it is a more of a spiritual
Of Thing.......more later. Can not trust this ipadGod blless———-see what I mean? Lol

Ken Rank · Nov 27, 2017

ralliann said:
As feared, a divisive issue.

Not for me and again, you don't address the idea of renew. Which is fine... be blessed.

Ken Rank · Nov 27, 2017

Shimshon said:
Now THAT is crystal clear from your responses. Yet, you are trying to teach it here. I speak to you so others will garner good food from this interaction. See Ken, life is never only about yourself, it's about those around you. And the relationships you can form.

No, I shared my perspective, you shared yours... I made it clear I didn't agree and you went to the well again. Seriously, reconcile the use of chadashah in Jer. 31:31 and kainos and Heb. 8:8 and we can talk.

Shimshon said:
I'm not trying to teach you Ken. But it seems I am NOT welcome to disagree with you? I'm presenting your errors according to the exact same scriptures you claim to uphold. Why is there a division in our explanations? Well, it seems that doesn't matter to you, your not seeking on this subject. AND you don't want to learn anything different about your unbiblical positions. Yet, you say I am free to disagree.......BUT you don't want to hear the disagreements? LOL, OK Ken. I expected way much better of a response from you than this. Noted.... another one way street.

Disagreement is welcome but don't keep repeating yourself. I gave a very concise point using the blessings over Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and Psalm 105:8-10 which very clearly show the same promise extending from generation to generation. The reply I get is how something NEW is coming and how much better that will be. I don't argue that... there are always new aspects ADDED as we progress through the generations. But, the wording was clear, it is the same promise.

You are welcome to show me how chadashah (Jer. 31:31) doesn't mean renew... until then there isn't anything you can say to sway me. That isn't saying you can't share your opinion, it is just me being honest in saying how it won't affect me at all. Chasashah is chadash (H2318) which means "to renew," it is a verb being used as an adjective (hence the form change) but the meaning doesn't change, it STILL means "to renew" in Hebrew. Most English translations picked "new" but that is because the translators still translate according to their own paradigm.

1stcenturylady · Nov 27, 2017

Ken Rank said:
See, even "new heaven and new earth" in Hebrew (chadashah) and Greek (kainos) are not brand new. God is going to restore the earth He created, not create a brand new earth. So "new" is not correct there and it isn't correct in Jer. 31:31 or Heb. 8:8... it just isn't. It is a renewed covenant according to both the Hebrew and Greek which then stands in line with the idea of an "everlasting covenant." Otherwise, you end up with a God calling the covenant everlasting when it wasn't. And everlasting DOES mean everlasting... please don't go where many try to here... by undermine the word olam. If you do, you might undermine God Himself as He called Himself olam and we know He has no end.

Hi Ken,

What do you think of Jeremiah 31:32? I'm interested in your explanation. What covenant is not the covenant God made with their fathers that will be renewed.

Ken Rank · Nov 27, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
Hi Ken,

What do you think of Jeremiah 31:32? I'm interested in your explanation. What covenant is not the covenant God made with their fathers that will be renewed.

I don't generally do this but I will for this post. In parenthesis and in blue is my commentary...

Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming (are coming, haven't happened yet and interestingly quoted word for word in Hebrews 8 which was written post ascension. This is one of the reasons I believe we are children of God NOW, but that the covenant is not in place yet, at least not in full), says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant ("New" is the Hebrew word chadashah, a verb [chadash - H2318) which means "to renew" being used here as an adjective to describe "covenant") with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-- (Note only Judah and Israel, not Judah and Israel and the gentiles)
Jer 31:32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers (which was written on stone) in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts (the difference... not on stone but on the heart and mind directly. There is NO indication this is a new text, but rather, God's law as it has always been known. So, not like it was at Sinai [on stone] because now it is being written directly on the heart); and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. (This is the repeating point of the covenant... seen in Genesis 17:7 and Exodus 6:7)
Jer 31:34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. (This last sentence is one of the main reasons I do not believe the covenant is fully renewed yet. We still are teaching, not all know the Lord, and the not needing to teach and all knowing the Lord is very clearly defined as how we will know it has been renewed) For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

ToBeLoved · Nov 27, 2017

Ken Rank said:
See, even "new heaven and new earth" in Hebrew (chadashah) and Greek (kainos) are not brand new. God is going to restore the earth He created, not create a brand new earth. So "new" is not correct there and it isn't correct in Jer. 31:31 or Heb. 8:8... it just isn't. It is a renewed covenant according to both the Hebrew and Greek which then stands in line with the idea of an "everlasting covenant." Otherwise, you end up with a God calling the covenant everlasting when it wasn't. And everlasting DOES mean everlasting... please don't go where many try to here... by undermine the word olam. If you do, you might undermine God Himself as He called Himself olam and we know He has no end.

So Ken, I'm looking at the word Chadashah and I see the other verses where this word is used and it does mean new, not 'renew' or reastablished. See Strong's Hebrew: 2319. חָדָשׁ (chadash) -- 53 Occurrences

Englishman's Concordance
Strong's Hebrew: 2319. חָדָשׁ (chadash) — 53 Occurrences
Exodus 1:8
HEB: וַיָּ֥קָם מֶֽלֶךְ־ חָדָ֖שׁ עַל־ מִצְרָ֑יִם
NAS: Now a new king arose
KJV: Now there arose up a new king
INT: arose king new over Egypt

Leviticus 23:16
HEB: וְהִקְרַבְתֶּ֛ם מִנְחָ֥ה חֲדָשָׁ֖ה לַיהוָֽה׃
NAS: then you shall present a new grain offering
KJV: and ye shall offer a new meat offering
INT: shall present offering A new to the LORD

Leviticus 26:10
HEB: וְיָשָׁ֕ן מִפְּנֵ֥י חָדָ֖שׁ תּוֹצִֽיאוּ׃
NAS: out the old because of the new.
KJV: the old because of the new.
INT: supply because of the new and clear

Numbers 28:26
HEB: בְּהַקְרִ֨יבְכֶ֜ם מִנְחָ֤ה חֲדָשָׁה֙ לַֽיהוָ֔ה בְּשָׁבֻעֹ֖תֵיכֶ֑ם
NAS: when you present a new grain offering
KJV: when ye bring a new meat offering
INT: present offering A new to the LORD Weeks

Deuteronomy 20:5
HEB: בָּנָ֤ה בַֽיִת־ חָדָשׁ֙ וְלֹ֣א חֲנָכ֔וֹ
NAS: that has built a new house
KJV: [is there] that hath built a new house,
INT: built house A new not dedicated

Deuteronomy 22:8
HEB: תִבְנֶה֙ בַּ֣יִת חָדָ֔שׁ וְעָשִׂ֥יתָ מַעֲקֶ֖ה
NAS: you build a new house,
KJV: When thou buildest a new house,
INT: build house A new shall make A parapet

Deuteronomy 24:5
HEB: אִישׁ֙ אִשָּׁ֣ה חֲדָשָׁ֔ה לֹ֤א יֵצֵא֙
NAS: takes a new wife,
KJV: hath taken a new wife,
INT: A man wife A new nor go

Deuteronomy 32:17
HEB: לֹ֣א יְדָע֑וּם חֲדָשִׁים֙ מִקָּרֹ֣ב בָּ֔אוּ
NAS: whom they have not known, New [gods] who came
KJV: whom they knew not, to new [gods that] came
INT: have not known New lately came

Joshua 9:13
HEB: אֲשֶׁ֣ר מִלֵּ֣אנוּ חֲדָשִׁ֔ים וְהִנֵּ֖ה הִתְבַּקָּ֑עוּ
NAS: we filled were new, and behold,
KJV: which we filled, [were] new; and, behold, they be rent:
INT: which filled were new and behold are torn

Judges 5:8
HEB: יִבְחַר֙ אֱלֹהִ֣ים חֲדָשִׁ֔ים אָ֖ז לָחֶ֣ם
NAS: New gods were chosen;
KJV: They chose new gods; then [was] war
INT: were chosen gods New Then war

Judges 15:13
HEB: בִּשְׁנַ֙יִם֙ עֲבֹתִ֣ים חֲדָשִׁ֔ים וַֽיַּעֲל֖וּהוּ מִן־
NAS: him with two new ropes
KJV: him with two new cords,
INT: two ropes new and brought from

Judges 16:11
HEB: יַאַסְר֙וּנִי֙ בַּעֲבֹתִ֣ים חֲדָשִׁ֔ים אֲשֶׁ֛ר לֹֽא־
NAS: me tightly with new ropes
KJV: me fast with new ropes
INT: tightly ropes new which not

Judges 16:12
HEB: דְּלִילָה֩ עֲבֹתִ֨ים חֲדָשִׁ֜ים וַתַּאַסְרֵ֣הוּ בָהֶ֗ם
NAS: So Delilah took new ropes and bound
KJV: therefore took new ropes,
INT: Delilah ropes new and bound and said

1 Samuel 6:7
HEB: וַעֲשׂ֜וּ עֲגָלָ֤ה חֲדָשָׁה֙ אֶחָ֔ת וּשְׁתֵּ֤י
NAS: and prepare a new cart
KJV: a new cart,
INT: and prepare cart A new a and two

2 Samuel 6:3
HEB: אֶל־ עֲגָלָ֣ה חֲדָשָׁ֔ה וַיִּשָּׂאֻ֔הוּ מִבֵּ֥ית
NAS: of God on a new cart
KJV: of God upon a new cart,
INT: about cart A new bring the house

2 Samuel 6:3
HEB: אֶת־ הָעֲגָלָ֥ה חֲדָשָֽׁה׃
NAS: were leading the new cart.
KJV: of Abinadab, drave the new cart.
INT: were leading cart the new

2 Samuel 21:16
HEB: וְה֖וּא חָג֣וּר חֲדָשָׁ֑ה וַיֹּ֖אמֶר לְהַכּ֥וֹת
NAS: was girded with a new [sword], and he intended
KJV: he being girded with a new [sword], thought
INT: he was girded A new intended to kill

1 Kings 11:29
HEB: מִתְכַּסֶּה֙ בְּשַׂלְמָ֣ה חֲדָשָׁ֔ה וּשְׁנֵיהֶ֥ם לְבַדָּ֖ם
NAS: Now Ahijah had clothed himself with a new cloak;
KJV: and he had clad himself with a new garment;
INT: had clothed cloak A new and both were alone

1 Kings 11:30
HEB: אֲחִיָּ֔ה בַּשַּׂלְמָ֥ה הַחֲדָשָׁ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר עָלָ֑יו
NAS: took hold of the new cloak
KJV: caught the new garment
INT: Ahijah cloak of the new which was on

2 Kings 2:20
HEB: לִי֙ צְלֹחִ֣ית חֲדָשָׁ֔ה וְשִׂ֥ימוּ שָׁ֖ם
NAS: He said, Bring me a new jar, and put
KJV: Bring me a new cruse,
INT: Bring jar A new and put in it

1 Chronicles 13:7
HEB: עַל־ עֲגָלָ֣ה חֲדָשָׁ֔ה מִבֵּ֖ית אֲבִינָדָ֑ב
NAS: of God on a new cart
KJV: of God in a new cart
INT: and cart A new the house of Abinadab

2 Chronicles 20:5
HEB: לִפְנֵ֖י הֶחָצֵ֥ר הַחֲדָשָֽׁה׃
NAS: of the LORD before the new court,
KJV: of the LORD, before the new court,
INT: before court the new

Job 29:20
HEB: כְּ֭בוֹדִי חָדָ֣שׁ עִמָּדִ֑י וְ֝קַשְׁתִּ֗י
NAS: My glory is [ever] new with me, And my bow
KJV: My glory [was] fresh in me, and my bow
INT: my glory is new me and my bow

Job 32:19
HEB: יִפָּתֵ֑חַ כְּאֹב֥וֹת חֲ֝דָשִׁ֗ים יִבָּקֵֽעַ׃
NAS: wine, Like new wineskins
KJV: it is ready to burst like new bottles.
INT: vent wineskins new to burst

Psalm 33:3
HEB: ל֭וֹ שִׁ֣יר חָדָ֑שׁ הֵיטִ֥יבוּ נַ֝גֵּ֗ן
NAS: Sing to Him a new song; Play
KJV: Sing unto him a new song; play
INT: Sing song A new skillfully Play

Psalm 40:3
HEB: בְּפִ֨י ׀ שִׁ֥יר חָדָשׁ֮ תְּהִלָּ֪ה לֵֽאלֹ֫הֵ֥ינוּ
NAS: He put a new song in my mouth,
KJV: And he hath put a new song
INT: my mouth song A new A song to our God

Psalm 96:1
HEB: לַ֭יהוָה שִׁ֣יר חָדָ֑שׁ שִׁ֥ירוּ לַ֝יהוָ֗ה
NAS: Sing to the LORD a new song; Sing
KJV: O sing unto the LORD a new song: sing
INT: to the LORD song A new Sing to the LORD

Psalm 98:1
HEB: לַֽיהוָ֨ה ׀ שִׁ֣יר חָ֭דָשׁ כִּֽי־ נִפְלָא֣וֹת
NAS: to the LORD a new song,
KJV: unto the LORD a new song;
INT: to the LORD song A new for wonderful

Psalm 144:9
HEB: אֱ‍ֽלֹהִ֗ים שִׁ֣יר חָ֭דָשׁ אָשִׁ֣ירָה לָּ֑ךְ
NAS: I will sing a new song to You, O God;
KJV: I will sing a new song
INT: God will sing A new song A harp

Psalm 149:1
HEB: לַֽ֭יהוָה שִׁ֣יר חָדָ֑שׁ תְּ֝הִלָּת֗וֹ בִּקְהַ֥ל
NAS: to the LORD a new song,
KJV: unto the LORD a new song,
INT: to the LORD song A new his praise the congregation

Ecclesiastes 1:9
HEB: וְאֵ֥ין כָּל־ חָדָ֖שׁ תַּ֥חַת הַשָּֽׁמֶשׁ׃
NAS: So there is nothing new under
KJV: [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun.
INT: there all manner new under the sun

Ecclesiastes 1:10
HEB: רְאֵה־ זֶ֖ה חָדָ֣שׁ ה֑וּא כְּבָר֙
NAS: this, it is new ? Already
KJV: See, this [is] new? it hath been already
INT: See this fresh he already

Songs 7:13
HEB: כָּל־ מְגָדִ֔ים חֲדָשִׁ֖ים גַּם־ יְשָׁנִ֑ים
NAS: choice [fruits], Both new and old,
KJV: [are] all manner of pleasant [fruits], new and old,
INT: are all choice new again and old

Isaiah 41:15
HEB: לְמוֹרַג֙ חָר֣וּץ חָדָ֔שׁ בַּ֖עַל פִּֽיפִיּ֑וֹת
NAS: I have made you a new, sharp
KJV: Behold, I will make thee a new sharp
INT: threshing sharp A new having teeth

Isaiah 42:9
HEB: הִנֵּה־ בָ֑אוּ וַֽחֲדָשׁוֹת֙ אֲנִ֣י מַגִּ֔יד
NAS: Now I declare new things; Before
KJV: are come to pass, and new things do I declare:
INT: Behold have come new I declare

Isaiah 42:10
HEB: לַֽיהוָה֙ שִׁ֣יר חָדָ֔שׁ תְּהִלָּת֖וֹ מִקְצֵ֣ה
NAS: to the LORD a new song,
KJV: unto the LORD a new song,
INT: to the LORD song A new his praise the end

Isaiah 43:19
HEB: הִנְנִ֨י עֹשֶׂ֤ה חֲדָשָׁה֙ עַתָּ֣ה תִצְמָ֔ח
NAS: I will do something new, Now
KJV: Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth;
INT: behold will do something Now will spring

Isaiah 48:6
HEB: תַגִּ֑ידוּ הִשְׁמַעְתִּ֤יךָ חֲדָשׁוֹת֙ מֵעַ֔תָּה וּנְצֻר֖וֹת
NAS: it? I proclaim to you new things from this time,
KJV: [it]? I have shewed thee new things from this time,
INT: declare proclaim new this hidden

Isaiah 62:2
HEB: לָךְ֙ שֵׁ֣ם חָדָ֔שׁ אֲשֶׁ֛ר פִּ֥י
NAS: And you will be called by a new name
KJV: and thou shalt be called by a new name,
INT: will be called name A new Which the mouth

Isaiah 65:17
HEB: בוֹרֵ֛א שָׁמַ֥יִם חֲדָשִׁ֖ים וָאָ֣רֶץ חֲדָשָׁ֑ה
NAS: I create new heavens
KJV: For, behold, I create new heavens
INT: create heavens new earth new

Isaiah 65:17
HEB: חֲדָשִׁ֖ים וָאָ֣רֶץ חֲדָשָׁ֑ה וְלֹ֤א תִזָּכַ֙רְנָה֙
NAS: heavens and a new earth;
KJV: heavens and a new earth:
INT: new earth new not will not be remembered

Isaiah 66:22
HEB: כַאֲשֶׁ֣ר הַשָּׁמַ֣יִם הַ֠חֳדָשִׁים וְהָאָ֨רֶץ הַחֲדָשָׁ֜ה
NAS: For just as the new heavens
KJV: For as the new heavens and the new
INT: Which heavens as the new earth and the new

Isaiah 66:22
HEB: הַ֠חֳדָשִׁים וְהָאָ֨רֶץ הַחֲדָשָׁ֜ה אֲשֶׁ֨ר אֲנִ֥י
NAS: heavens and the new earth
KJV: heavens and the new earth,
INT: as the new earth and the new Which I

Jeremiah 26:10
HEB: שַֽׁעַר־ יְהוָ֖ה הֶחָדָֽשׁ׃ ס
NAS: in the entrance of the New Gate
KJV: in the entry of the new gate
INT: Gate of the LORD'S of the New

Jeremiah 31:22
HEB: בָרָ֨א יְהוָ֤ה חֲדָשָׁה֙ בָּאָ֔רֶץ נְקֵבָ֖ה
NAS: has created a new thing in the earth--
KJV: hath created a new thing in the earth,
INT: has created Jehovah A new the earth A woman

Jeremiah 31:31
HEB: יְהוּדָ֖ה בְּרִ֥ית חֲדָשָֽׁה׃
NAS: when I will make a new covenant
KJV: that I will make a new covenant
INT: of Judah covenant A new

Jeremiah 36:10
HEB: בֵּית־ יְהוָה֙ הֶֽחָדָ֔שׁ בְּאָזְנֵ֖י כָּל־
NAS: at the entry of the New Gate
KJV: at the entry of the new gate
INT: house of the LORD'S of the New the ears to all

Lamentations 3:23
HEB: חֲדָשִׁים֙ לַבְּקָרִ֔ים רַבָּ֖ה
NAS: [They] are new every morning; Great
KJV: [They are] new every morning: great
INT: are new morning Great

Ezekiel 11:19
HEB: אֶחָ֔ד וְר֥וּחַ חֲדָשָׁ֖ה אֶתֵּ֣ן בְּקִרְבְּכֶ֑ם
NAS: heart, and put a new spirit within
KJV: and I will put a new spirit
INT: one spirit A new and put within

Ezekiel 18:31
HEB: לָכֶ֛ם לֵ֥ב חָדָ֖שׁ וְר֣וּחַ חֲדָשָׁ֑ה
NAS: and make yourselves a new heart
KJV: and make you a new heart
INT: and make heart A new spirit new

Ezekiel 18:31
HEB: חָדָ֖שׁ וְר֣וּחַ חֲדָשָׁ֑ה וְלָ֥מָּה תָמֻ֖תוּ
NAS: heart and a new spirit!
KJV: heart and a new spirit:
INT: A new spirit new why die

Ezekiel 36:26
HEB: לָכֶם֙ לֵ֣ב חָדָ֔שׁ וְר֥וּחַ חֲדָשָׁ֖ה
NAS: Moreover, I will give you a new heart
KJV: A new heart also will I give
INT: will give heart A new spirit A new

Ezekiel 36:26
HEB: חָדָ֔שׁ וְר֥וּחַ חֲדָשָׁ֖ה אֶתֵּ֣ן בְּקִרְבְּכֶ֑ם
NAS: heart and put a new spirit within
KJV: also will I give you, and a new spirit
INT: A new spirit A new and put within

Ken Rank · Nov 27, 2017

ToBeLoved said:
So Ken, I'm looking at the word Chadashah and I see the other verses where this word is used and it does mean new, not 'renew' or reastablished. See Strong's Hebrew: 2319. חָדָשׁ (chadash) -- 53 Occurrences

Englishman's Concordance
Strong's Hebrew: 2319. חָדָשׁ (chadash) — 53 Occurrences
Exodus 1:8
HEB: וַיָּ֥קָם מֶֽלֶךְ־ חָדָ֖שׁ עַל־ מִצְרָ֑יִם
NAS: Now a new king arose
KJV: Now there arose up a new king
INT: arose king new over Egypt

Leviticus 23:16
HEB: וְהִקְרַבְתֶּ֛ם מִנְחָ֥ה חֲדָשָׁ֖ה לַיהוָֽה׃
NAS: then you shall present a new grain offering
KJV: and ye shall offer a new meat offering
INT: shall present offering A new to the LORD

Leviticus 26:10
HEB: וְיָשָׁ֕ן מִפְּנֵ֥י חָדָ֖שׁ תּוֹצִֽיאוּ׃
NAS: out the old because of the new.
KJV: the old because of the new.
INT: supply because of the new and clear

Numbers 28:26
HEB: בְּהַקְרִ֨יבְכֶ֜ם מִנְחָ֤ה חֲדָשָׁה֙ לַֽיהוָ֔ה בְּשָׁבֻעֹ֖תֵיכֶ֑ם
NAS: when you present a new grain offering
KJV: when ye bring a new meat offering
INT: present offering A new to the LORD Weeks

Deuteronomy 20:5
HEB: בָּנָ֤ה בַֽיִת־ חָדָשׁ֙ וְלֹ֣א חֲנָכ֔וֹ
NAS: that has built a new house
KJV: [is there] that hath built a new house,
INT: built house A new not dedicated

Deuteronomy 22:8
HEB: תִבְנֶה֙ בַּ֣יִת חָדָ֔שׁ וְעָשִׂ֥יתָ מַעֲקֶ֖ה
NAS: you build a new house,
KJV: When thou buildest a new house,
INT: build house A new shall make A parapet

Deuteronomy 24:5
HEB: אִישׁ֙ אִשָּׁ֣ה חֲדָשָׁ֔ה לֹ֤א יֵצֵא֙
NAS: takes a new wife,
KJV: hath taken a new wife,
INT: A man wife A new nor go

Deuteronomy 32:17
HEB: לֹ֣א יְדָע֑וּם חֲדָשִׁים֙ מִקָּרֹ֣ב בָּ֔אוּ
NAS: whom they have not known, New [gods] who came
KJV: whom they knew not, to new [gods that] came
INT: have not known New lately came

Joshua 9:13
HEB: אֲשֶׁ֣ר מִלֵּ֣אנוּ חֲדָשִׁ֔ים וְהִנֵּ֖ה הִתְבַּקָּ֑עוּ
NAS: we filled were new, and behold,
KJV: which we filled, [were] new; and, behold, they be rent:
INT: which filled were new and behold are torn

Judges 5:8
HEB: יִבְחַר֙ אֱלֹהִ֣ים חֲדָשִׁ֔ים אָ֖ז לָחֶ֣ם
NAS: New gods were chosen;
KJV: They chose new gods; then [was] war
INT: were chosen gods New Then war

Judges 15:13
HEB: בִּשְׁנַ֙יִם֙ עֲבֹתִ֣ים חֲדָשִׁ֔ים וַֽיַּעֲל֖וּהוּ מִן־
NAS: him with two new ropes
KJV: him with two new cords,
INT: two ropes new and brought from

Judges 16:11
HEB: יַאַסְר֙וּנִי֙ בַּעֲבֹתִ֣ים חֲדָשִׁ֔ים אֲשֶׁ֛ר לֹֽא־
NAS: me tightly with new ropes
KJV: me fast with new ropes
INT: tightly ropes new which not

Judges 16:12
HEB: דְּלִילָה֩ עֲבֹתִ֨ים חֲדָשִׁ֜ים וַתַּאַסְרֵ֣הוּ בָהֶ֗ם
NAS: So Delilah took new ropes and bound
KJV: therefore took new ropes,
INT: Delilah ropes new and bound and said

1 Samuel 6:7
HEB: וַעֲשׂ֜וּ עֲגָלָ֤ה חֲדָשָׁה֙ אֶחָ֔ת וּשְׁתֵּ֤י
NAS: and prepare a new cart
KJV: a new cart,
INT: and prepare cart A new a and two

2 Samuel 6:3
HEB: אֶל־ עֲגָלָ֣ה חֲדָשָׁ֔ה וַיִּשָּׂאֻ֔הוּ מִבֵּ֥ית
NAS: of God on a new cart
KJV: of God upon a new cart,
INT: about cart A new bring the house

2 Samuel 6:3
HEB: אֶת־ הָעֲגָלָ֥ה חֲדָשָֽׁה׃
NAS: were leading the new cart.
KJV: of Abinadab, drave the new cart.
INT: were leading cart the new

2 Samuel 21:16
HEB: וְה֖וּא חָג֣וּר חֲדָשָׁ֑ה וַיֹּ֖אמֶר לְהַכּ֥וֹת
NAS: was girded with a new [sword], and he intended
KJV: he being girded with a new [sword], thought
INT: he was girded A new intended to kill

1 Kings 11:29
HEB: מִתְכַּסֶּה֙ בְּשַׂלְמָ֣ה חֲדָשָׁ֔ה וּשְׁנֵיהֶ֥ם לְבַדָּ֖ם
NAS: Now Ahijah had clothed himself with a new cloak;
KJV: and he had clad himself with a new garment;
INT: had clothed cloak A new and both were alone

1 Kings 11:30
HEB: אֲחִיָּ֔ה בַּשַּׂלְמָ֥ה הַחֲדָשָׁ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר עָלָ֑יו
NAS: took hold of the new cloak
KJV: caught the new garment
INT: Ahijah cloak of the new which was on

2 Kings 2:20
HEB: לִי֙ צְלֹחִ֣ית חֲדָשָׁ֔ה וְשִׂ֥ימוּ שָׁ֖ם
NAS: He said, Bring me a new jar, and put
KJV: Bring me a new cruse,
INT: Bring jar A new and put in it

1 Chronicles 13:7
HEB: עַל־ עֲגָלָ֣ה חֲדָשָׁ֔ה מִבֵּ֖ית אֲבִינָדָ֑ב
NAS: of God on a new cart
KJV: of God in a new cart
INT: and cart A new the house of Abinadab

2 Chronicles 20:5
HEB: לִפְנֵ֖י הֶחָצֵ֥ר הַחֲדָשָֽׁה׃
NAS: of the LORD before the new court,
KJV: of the LORD, before the new court,
INT: before court the new

Job 29:20
HEB: כְּ֭בוֹדִי חָדָ֣שׁ עִמָּדִ֑י וְ֝קַשְׁתִּ֗י
NAS: My glory is [ever] new with me, And my bow
KJV: My glory [was] fresh in me, and my bow
INT: my glory is new me and my bow

Job 32:19
HEB: יִפָּתֵ֑חַ כְּאֹב֥וֹת חֲ֝דָשִׁ֗ים יִבָּקֵֽעַ׃
NAS: wine, Like new wineskins
KJV: it is ready to burst like new bottles.
INT: vent wineskins new to burst

Psalm 33:3
HEB: ל֭וֹ שִׁ֣יר חָדָ֑שׁ הֵיטִ֥יבוּ נַ֝גֵּ֗ן
NAS: Sing to Him a new song; Play
KJV: Sing unto him a new song; play
INT: Sing song A new skillfully Play

Psalm 40:3
HEB: בְּפִ֨י ׀ שִׁ֥יר חָדָשׁ֮ תְּהִלָּ֪ה לֵֽאלֹ֫הֵ֥ינוּ
NAS: He put a new song in my mouth,
KJV: And he hath put a new song
INT: my mouth song A new A song to our God

Psalm 96:1
HEB: לַ֭יהוָה שִׁ֣יר חָדָ֑שׁ שִׁ֥ירוּ לַ֝יהוָ֗ה
NAS: Sing to the LORD a new song; Sing
KJV: O sing unto the LORD a new song: sing
INT: to the LORD song A new Sing to the LORD

Psalm 98:1
HEB: לַֽיהוָ֨ה ׀ שִׁ֣יר חָ֭דָשׁ כִּֽי־ נִפְלָא֣וֹת
NAS: to the LORD a new song,
KJV: unto the LORD a new song;
INT: to the LORD song A new for wonderful

Psalm 144:9
HEB: אֱ‍ֽלֹהִ֗ים שִׁ֣יר חָ֭דָשׁ אָשִׁ֣ירָה לָּ֑ךְ
NAS: I will sing a new song to You, O God;
KJV: I will sing a new song
INT: God will sing A new song A harp

Psalm 149:1
HEB: לַֽ֭יהוָה שִׁ֣יר חָדָ֑שׁ תְּ֝הִלָּת֗וֹ בִּקְהַ֥ל
NAS: to the LORD a new song,
KJV: unto the LORD a new song,
INT: to the LORD song A new his praise the congregation

Ecclesiastes 1:9
HEB: וְאֵ֥ין כָּל־ חָדָ֖שׁ תַּ֥חַת הַשָּֽׁמֶשׁ׃
NAS: So there is nothing new under
KJV: [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun.
INT: there all manner new under the sun

Ecclesiastes 1:10
HEB: רְאֵה־ זֶ֖ה חָדָ֣שׁ ה֑וּא כְּבָר֙
NAS: this, it is new ? Already
KJV: See, this [is] new? it hath been already
INT: See this fresh he already

Songs 7:13
HEB: כָּל־ מְגָדִ֔ים חֲדָשִׁ֖ים גַּם־ יְשָׁנִ֑ים
NAS: choice [fruits], Both new and old,
KJV: [are] all manner of pleasant [fruits], new and old,
INT: are all choice new again and old

Isaiah 41:15
HEB: לְמוֹרַג֙ חָר֣וּץ חָדָ֔שׁ בַּ֖עַל פִּֽיפִיּ֑וֹת
NAS: I have made you a new, sharp
KJV: Behold, I will make thee a new sharp
INT: threshing sharp A new having teeth

Isaiah 42:9
HEB: הִנֵּה־ בָ֑אוּ וַֽחֲדָשׁוֹת֙ אֲנִ֣י מַגִּ֔יד
NAS: Now I declare new things; Before
KJV: are come to pass, and new things do I declare:
INT: Behold have come new I declare

Isaiah 42:10
HEB: לַֽיהוָה֙ שִׁ֣יר חָדָ֔שׁ תְּהִלָּת֖וֹ מִקְצֵ֣ה
NAS: to the LORD a new song,
KJV: unto the LORD a new song,
INT: to the LORD song A new his praise the end

Isaiah 43:19
HEB: הִנְנִ֨י עֹשֶׂ֤ה חֲדָשָׁה֙ עַתָּ֣ה תִצְמָ֔ח
NAS: I will do something new, Now
KJV: Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth;
INT: behold will do something Now will spring

Isaiah 48:6
HEB: תַגִּ֑ידוּ הִשְׁמַעְתִּ֤יךָ חֲדָשׁוֹת֙ מֵעַ֔תָּה וּנְצֻר֖וֹת
NAS: it? I proclaim to you new things from this time,
KJV: [it]? I have shewed thee new things from this time,
INT: declare proclaim new this hidden

Isaiah 62:2
HEB: לָךְ֙ שֵׁ֣ם חָדָ֔שׁ אֲשֶׁ֛ר פִּ֥י
NAS: And you will be called by a new name
KJV: and thou shalt be called by a new name,
INT: will be called name A new Which the mouth

Isaiah 65:17
HEB: בוֹרֵ֛א שָׁמַ֥יִם חֲדָשִׁ֖ים וָאָ֣רֶץ חֲדָשָׁ֑ה
NAS: I create new heavens
KJV: For, behold, I create new heavens
INT: create heavens new earth new

Isaiah 65:17
HEB: חֲדָשִׁ֖ים וָאָ֣רֶץ חֲדָשָׁ֑ה וְלֹ֤א תִזָּכַ֙רְנָה֙
NAS: heavens and a new earth;
KJV: heavens and a new earth:
INT: new earth new not will not be remembered

Isaiah 66:22
HEB: כַאֲשֶׁ֣ר הַשָּׁמַ֣יִם הַ֠חֳדָשִׁים וְהָאָ֨רֶץ הַחֲדָשָׁ֜ה
NAS: For just as the new heavens
KJV: For as the new heavens and the new
INT: Which heavens as the new earth and the new

Isaiah 66:22
HEB: הַ֠חֳדָשִׁים וְהָאָ֨רֶץ הַחֲדָשָׁ֜ה אֲשֶׁ֨ר אֲנִ֥י
NAS: heavens and the new earth
KJV: heavens and the new earth,
INT: as the new earth and the new Which I

Jeremiah 26:10
HEB: שַֽׁעַר־ יְהוָ֖ה הֶחָדָֽשׁ׃ ס
NAS: in the entrance of the New Gate
KJV: in the entry of the new gate
INT: Gate of the LORD'S of the New

Jeremiah 31:22
HEB: בָרָ֨א יְהוָ֤ה חֲדָשָׁה֙ בָּאָ֔רֶץ נְקֵבָ֖ה
NAS: has created a new thing in the earth--
KJV: hath created a new thing in the earth,
INT: has created Jehovah A new the earth A woman

Jeremiah 31:31
HEB: יְהוּדָ֖ה בְּרִ֥ית חֲדָשָֽׁה׃
NAS: when I will make a new covenant
KJV: that I will make a new covenant
INT: of Judah covenant A new

Jeremiah 36:10
HEB: בֵּית־ יְהוָה֙ הֶֽחָדָ֔שׁ בְּאָזְנֵ֖י כָּל־
NAS: at the entry of the New Gate
KJV: at the entry of the new gate
INT: house of the LORD'S of the New the ears to all

Lamentations 3:23
HEB: חֲדָשִׁים֙ לַבְּקָרִ֔ים רַבָּ֖ה
NAS: [They] are new every morning; Great
KJV: [They are] new every morning: great
INT: are new morning Great

Ezekiel 11:19
HEB: אֶחָ֔ד וְר֥וּחַ חֲדָשָׁ֖ה אֶתֵּ֣ן בְּקִרְבְּכֶ֑ם
NAS: heart, and put a new spirit within
KJV: and I will put a new spirit
INT: one spirit A new and put within

Ezekiel 18:31
HEB: לָכֶ֛ם לֵ֥ב חָדָ֖שׁ וְר֣וּחַ חֲדָשָׁ֑ה
NAS: and make yourselves a new heart
KJV: and make you a new heart
INT: and make heart A new spirit new

Ezekiel 18:31
HEB: חָדָ֖שׁ וְר֣וּחַ חֲדָשָׁ֑ה וְלָ֥מָּה תָמֻ֖תוּ
NAS: heart and a new spirit!
KJV: heart and a new spirit:
INT: A new spirit new why die

Ezekiel 36:26
HEB: לָכֶם֙ לֵ֣ב חָדָ֔שׁ וְר֥וּחַ חֲדָשָׁ֖ה
NAS: Moreover, I will give you a new heart
KJV: A new heart also will I give
INT: will give heart A new spirit A new

Ezekiel 36:26
HEB: חָדָ֔שׁ וְר֥וּחַ חֲדָשָׁ֖ה אֶתֵּ֣ן בְּקִרְבְּכֶ֑ם
NAS: heart and put a new spirit within
KJV: also will I give you, and a new spirit
INT: A new spirit A new and put within

You spent a lot of time for nothing. Chadashah comes from the root chadash which is H2318.... which means to renew. It is the same word for new moon but as you know, it isn't a new moon, it is the SAME MOON renewing it's cycle every month. It is the same word used in Isaiah for new earth, but we all know God is not starting over... He is restoring that which has fallen. The word means to renew.

ToBeLoved · Nov 27, 2017

Ken Rank said:
You spent a lot of time for nothing. Chadashah comes from the root chadash which is H2318.... which means to renew. It is the same word for new moon but as you know, it isn't a new moon, it is the SAME MOON renewing it's cycle every month. It is the same word used in Isaiah for new earth, but we all know God is not starting over... He is restoring that which has fallen. The word means to renew.

Can you show me what I am doing wrong or what is incorrect?

This is what I am seeing. see link Jeremiah 31:31 Hebrew Text Analysis

2319 [e] ḥă-ḏā-šāh. חֲדָשָֽׁה׃ new Adj

It is not saying H2318 and chadash, but 2319 (e) and hadasah

1stcenturylady · Nov 27, 2017

Ken Rank said:
I don't generally do this but I will for this post. In parenthesis and in blue is my commentary...

Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming (are coming, haven't happened yet and interestingly quoted word for word in Hebrews 8 which was written post ascension. This is one of the reasons I believe we are children of God NOW, but that the covenant is not in place yet, at least not in full), says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant ("New" is the Hebrew word chadashah, a verb [chadash - H2318) which means "to renew" being used here as an adjective to describe "covenant") with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-- (Note only Judah and Israel, not Judah and Israel and the gentiles)
Jer 31:32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers (which was written on stone) in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts (the difference... not on stone but on the heart and mind directly. There is NO indication this is a new text, but rather, God's law as it has always been known. So, not like it was at Sinai [on stone] because now it is being written directly on the heart); and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. (This is the repeating point of the covenant... seen in Genesis 17:7 and Exodus 6:7)
Jer 31:34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. (This last sentence is one of the main reasons I do not believe the covenant is fully renewed yet. We still are teaching, not all know the Lord, and the not needing to teach and all knowing the Lord is very clearly defined as how we will know it has been renewed) For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

Great explanation. Thanks.

1stcenturylady · Nov 27, 2017

Ken Rank said:
I don't generally do this but I will for this post. In parenthesis and in blue is my commentary...

Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming (are coming, haven't happened yet and interestingly quoted word for word in Hebrews 8 which was written post ascension. This is one of the reasons I believe we are children of God NOW, but that the covenant is not in place yet, at least not in full), says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant ("New" is the Hebrew word chadashah, a verb [chadash - H2318) which means "to renew" being used here as an adjective to describe "covenant") with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-- (Note only Judah and Israel, not Judah and Israel and the gentiles)
Jer 31:32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers (which was written on stone) in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts (the difference... not on stone but on the heart and mind directly. There is NO indication this is a new text, but rather, God's law as it has always been known. So, not like it was at Sinai [on stone] because now it is being written directly on the heart); and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. (This is the repeating point of the covenant... seen in Genesis 17:7 and Exodus 6:7)
Jer 31:34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. (This last sentence is one of the main reasons I do not believe the covenant is fully renewed yet. We still are teaching, not all know the Lord, and the not needing to teach and all knowing the Lord is very clearly defined as how we will know it has been renewed) For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

I'm curious, are gentiles grafted into the House of Israel, or the House of Judah?

ToBeLoved · Nov 27, 2017

Ken Rank said:
I don't generally do this but I will for this post. In parenthesis and in blue is my commentary...

Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming (are coming, haven't happened yet and interestingly quoted word for word in Hebrews 8 which was written post ascension. This is one of the reasons I believe we are children of God NOW, but that the covenant is not in place yet, at least not in full), says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant ("New" is the Hebrew word chadashah, a verb [chadash - H2318) which means "to renew" being used here as an adjective to describe "covenant") with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-- (Note only Judah and Israel, not Judah and Israel and the gentiles)
Jer 31:32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers (which was written on stone) in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts (the difference... not on stone but on the heart and mind directly. There is NO indication this is a new text, but rather, God's law as it has always been known. So, not like it was at Sinai [on stone] because now it is being written directly on the heart); and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. (This is the repeating point of the covenant... seen in Genesis 17:7 and Exodus 6:7)
Jer 31:34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. (This last sentence is one of the main reasons I do not believe the covenant is fully renewed yet. We still are teaching, not all know the Lord, and the not needing to teach and all knowing the Lord is very clearly defined as how we will know it has been renewed) For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

See the above text in red.

So, if you do not believe the covenant is in place yet then I have quite a few questions.

What was the purpose of Jesus Christ coming and death?
If we are under the Old Covenant, how are Gentiles even saved?

What is the purpose of God waiting until sometime in the future for this covenant?

ralliann · Nov 27, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
I'm curious, are gentiles grafted into the House of Israel, or the House of Judah?

Neither. We are graffed into "the Israel of God" the faithful remnant which are also born again....

ToBeLoved · Nov 27, 2017

ralliann said:
Neither. We are graffed into "the Israel of God" the faithful remnant which are also born again....

verses

ralliann · Nov 27, 2017

ToBeLoved said:
verses

Ro 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Ro 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Ga 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Ga 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Ga 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Ken Rank · Nov 27, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
I'm curious, are gentiles grafted into the House of Israel, or the House of Judah?

I personally believe Israel... I don't see any reason to think that I become Jewish because I came to Yeshua in faith. Now, this might sound like semantics because Judah and Israel together are "the whole house of Israel." But, until Hosea 1:11 comes to pass, which I believe is just pre-millennial Kingdom, then prophetically we are talking about two people who become one. So, I PERSONALLY see Judah as all Jews... Messianic or those whose eyes are opened at his coming (as in Zechariah 12:10). I believe we are part of Israel (as in Ephesians 2, in that we WERE gentiles in the flesh and aliens of the Commonwealth of Israel but NOW through Yeshua are fellow citizens). Really... all the rhetoric that will come from me saying this aside... nothing else really makes sense. Because we have open prophesy about Israel in the nations... and we have only Judah and Israel mentioned in Hebrews 8:8-11 and that means something. IMHO

ToBeLoved · Nov 27, 2017

ralliann said:
Ro 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Ro 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Ga 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Ga 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Ga 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

We are Abraham's seed because of Abraham's faith and all who have faith are the children of Abraham.

Romans 4:16
16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may rest on grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring — not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all. 17As it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations.”

Galatians 3:7
Understand, then, that those who have faith are the sons of Abraham.

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