Why Jeremiah 31:31-34 is YESHUA'S NEW Covenant

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A ChristIan can not live a righteous life.....if he could...” Christ died in vain” God has declared me “righteous”just like He did Abraham—-because of my faith. Now excuse me......I’m not grateful for what God has done ,it’s not possible to FIND myself obeying God just because IHave his Spirit and would obey out of love for Him....Iam not afraid of being chastised or even killed for sinning..".me and my itching ears are returning to the Darkness to sin up a storm (please note century lady....I am being ironic in this post!)

Have you been filled with the Spirit? And I don't mean just because the Bible says a Christian is, but has He filled you. You would know it if He did because you wouldn't have the desire to sin. You are no longer in the flesh if you have the Holy Spirit. If you still have a problem with sin, then repent and ask Jesus to fill you with His Spirit. You will experience a tremendous change in your thinking.
 
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Have you been filled with the Spirit? And I don't mean just because the Bible says a Christian is, but has He filled you. You would know it if He did because you wouldn't have the desire to sin. You are no longer in the flesh if you have the Holy Spirit. If you still have a problem with sin, then repent and ask Jesus to fill you with His Spirit. You will experience a tremendous change in your thinking.


God bless you 1st century lady.....please look up the word “irony”. And trust me. PLEASE trust me. I HAVE NO DESIRE TO SIN !!!! Dear God....why can’t people understand this
 
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God bless you 1st century lady.....please look up the word “irony”. And trust me. PLEASE trust me. I HAVE NO DESIRE TO SIN !!!! Dear God....why can’t people understand this

I'm sorry if I upset you. I just don't take anything for granted when I see signs that someone doesn't "get it." But I'm glad you do not have a desire to sin.That is key.

You would be surprised at the number of people going to church every week that aren't saved. They expect Jesus to save them when they haven't even repented of their sin! Why? Because they don't know they must. That teaching is missing from their pulpits. It is the reason John the Baptist came first preaching repentance to make way for Jesus to baptize them with fire.
 
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So if those Gentiles that assimilated we’re treated like they were native born, they were no longer considered Gentiles, right?
God gave the Torah to the Israelites AND the strangers with them... one Torah for all. God specifically stated that if those strangers walked in His ways (like Israel) that He would bless them and if they didn't He would curse them. He told the stranger to assimilate into the tribes they traveled with and told the Israelites to treat them like native born. So, they became just as much Israel as Israel... just like David's grandmother. :)
 
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Wasn’t the other person talking about the Old Covenant?

The coveywitn Abraham is not the D
Old Covenant
The promise to Abraham dealt with a seed that no man can count (Israel is that seed) and also a land that Israel (later) would partially inhabit. Israel has never owned/inhabited all of the promised land. Therefore, with that in mind, and going back to Psalm 105:8-10... we see that the promise that was given to Abraham was extended to Isaac and it is the SAME PROMISE...

Genesis 26:3 Dwell in this land, and I will be with you and bless you; for to you and your descendants I give all these lands, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father.

So... that means we have 2 generations that the SAME promise is extended through. Back to Psalm 105:10 we then read that God confirmed "IT" (the promise... in fact some versions say, "confirmed the SAME to Jacob") and this is confirmed when we read the blessing over Jacob...

Genesis 35:11 Also God said to him: "I am God Almighty. Be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall proceed from you, and kings shall come from your body. (12) The land which I gave Abraham and Isaac I give to you; and to your descendants after you I give this land."

Very clearly, but with a LITTLE MORE detail... we have the promise given to Abraham, that was extended to Isaac is now extended to Jacob as well. Going back to Psalm 105:10 we see that in the same breath, what went to Jacob goes to Israel as an everlasting covenant. The promise given to Abraham, extended to Isaac, then Jacob, with the text finally written on stone at Sinai and called everlasting. That SAME EVERLASTING COVENANT is renewed through Yeshua where the text is taken from the stone and placed directly on the heart.

This is why Ezekiel 11:19 says God will give us a new spirit and remove the stony heart and replace it with a heart of flesh. This is why the Hebrew in Jer. 31:31 has chadashah (to renew) where we see "new" and Heb. 8:8 had kainos (to make fresh/renew) for "new".... the same covenant, the same everlasting covenant, renewed through Yeshua and one day we ALL will live in the land promised in FULL... something Israel has not done yet.
 
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The Sinai covenant was not made with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
De 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
De 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
If you have your mind made up, that is fine. In the big picture here, I am not sure how much this matters. But, if you are willing to hear out a reasoned response to your point, then please read this post. Thanks.
 
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If you have your mind made up, that is fine. In the big picture here, I am not sure how much this matters. But, if you are willing to hear out a reasoned response to your point, then please read this post. Thanks.
Hi Ken. I read your post, but I disagree. New covenant teaching concerning Abraham paints a different scenario IMO. That is where I will focus to give you my understanding of these things.
Paul speaks of two covenants. The covenants (plural) made with Abraham are found in Gen 15 and Gen 17. The covenant in Gen 15 concerns the natural seed of Abraham. It also concerns the earthly, worldly inheritance given to the children of Israel. But.....Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, are not given a land inheritance. Read Gen 15 carefully and take note of what it actually says.
I will begin this way. I will give you some quotes from the new covenant for reference. And bolden certain points

Acts 7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.
6 And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years.
7 And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place.

Ok, lets look at the actual covenant made in Gen 15 and see What acts is talking about.

Note:
1. vs 15 tells Abraham He will die
2. vs 16 tells Abraham this covenant concerns the 4th Generation of his seed..(the many seeds)
3. vs 18 tells Abraham his seed are given the land (the 4th generation, so numerous Egypt feared their takeover)

Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Speaking of the 3 patriarchs and of Sarah, the matriarch, the book of Hebrews says the same thing we see in Acts 7.
Heb 11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob understood, they would inherit after they were already dead. Hence their faith in the resurrection from the dead. Therefore Abe's faith was tested concerning this matter. And the covenant of Genesis 17 was established in Isaac. Even Joseph (3rd gen) spoke in faith of the resurrection.
Ge 50:25 And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.

In short the covenant of Gensis 17, was the land promise given Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the twelve Patriarchs. It was not the earthly worldly land and kingdom, promised them.

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

The covenant of Gen 17, is where many nations are heirs of promise equal with the natural seed.
 
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The promise to Abraham dealt with a seed that no man can count (Israel is that seed) and also a land that Israel (later) would partially inhabit. Israel has never owned/inhabited all of the promised land. Therefore, with that in mind, and going back to Psalm 105:8-10... we see that the promise that was given to Abraham was extended to Isaac and it is the SAME PROMISE...

Genesis 26:3 Dwell in this land, and I will be with you and bless you; for to you and your descendants I give all these lands, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father.

So... that means we have 2 generations that the SAME promise is extended through. Back to Psalm 105:10 we then read that God confirmed "IT" (the promise... in fact some versions say, "confirmed the SAME to Jacob") and this is confirmed when we read the blessing over Jacob...

Genesis 35:11 Also God said to him: "I am God Almighty. Be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall proceed from you, and kings shall come from your body. (12) The land which I gave Abraham and Isaac I give to you; and to your descendants after you I give this land."

Very clearly, but with a LITTLE MORE detail... we have the promise given to Abraham, that was extended to Isaac is now extended to Jacob as well. Going back to Psalm 105:10 we see that in the same breath, what went to Jacob goes to Israel as an everlasting covenant. The promise given to Abraham, extended to Isaac, then Jacob, with the text finally written on stone at Sinai and called everlasting. That SAME EVERLASTING COVENANT is renewed through Yeshua where the text is taken from the stone and placed directly on the heart.

This is why Ezekiel 11:19 says God will give us a new spirit and remove the stony heart and replace it with a heart of flesh. This is why the Hebrew in Jer. 31:31 has chadashah (to renew) where we see "new" and Heb. 8:8 had kainos (to make fresh/renew) for "new".... the same covenant, the same everlasting covenant, renewed through Yeshua and one day we ALL will live in the land promised in FULL... something Israel has not done yet.
The important promise given to Abraham for us is all nations will be blessed. This promise is recorded in Genesis 18, 22 and 26.
 
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The promise to Abraham dealt with a seed that no man can count (Israel is that seed) and also a land that Israel (later) would partially inhabit. Israel has never owned/inhabited all of the promised land. Therefore, with that in mind, and going back to Psalm 105:8-10... we see that the promise that was given to Abraham was extended to Isaac and it is the SAME PROMISE...

Genesis 26:3 Dwell in this land, and I will be with you and bless you; for to you and your descendants I give all these lands, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father.

So... that means we have 2 generations that the SAME promise is extended through. Back to Psalm 105:10 we then read that God confirmed "IT" (the promise... in fact some versions say, "confirmed the SAME to Jacob") and this is confirmed when we read the blessing over Jacob...

Genesis 35:11 Also God said to him: "I am God Almighty. Be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall proceed from you, and kings shall come from your body. (12) The land which I gave Abraham and Isaac I give to you; and to your descendants after you I give this land."

Very clearly, but with a LITTLE MORE detail... we have the promise given to Abraham, that was extended to Isaac is now extended to Jacob as well. Going back to Psalm 105:10 we see that in the same breath, what went to Jacob goes to Israel as an everlasting covenant. The promise given to Abraham, extended to Isaac, then Jacob, with the text finally written on stone at Sinai and called everlasting. That SAME EVERLASTING COVENANT is renewed through Yeshua where the text is taken from the stone and placed directly on the heart.

This is why Ezekiel 11:19 says God will give us a new spirit and remove the stony heart and replace it with a heart of flesh. This is why the Hebrew in Jer. 31:31 has chadashah (to renew) where we see "new" and Heb. 8:8 had kainos (to make fresh/renew) for "new".... the same covenant, the same everlasting covenant, renewed through Yeshua and one day we ALL will live in the land promised in FULL... something Israel has not done yet.
That covenant given at Mt Sinai isn't renewed.
 
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If you have your mind made up, that is fine. In the big picture here, I am not sure how much this matters. But, if you are willing to hear out a reasoned response to your point, then please read this post. Thanks.
Ho do you reason against Deuteronomy 5 as presented?
 
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Hi Ken. I read your post, but I disagree. New covenant teaching concerning Abraham paints a different scenario IMO. That is where I will focus to give you my understanding of these things.
Paul speaks of two covenants. The covenants (plural) made with Abraham are found in Gen 15 and Gen 17. The covenant in Gen 15 concerns the natural seed of Abraham. It also concerns the earthly, worldly inheritance given to the children of Israel. But.....Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, are not given a land inheritance. Read Gen 15 carefully and take note of what it actually says.
I will begin this way. I will give you some quotes from the new covenant for reference. And bolden certain points

Acts 7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.
6 And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years.
7 And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place.

Ok, lets look at the actual covenant made in Gen 15 and see What acts is talking about.

Note:
1. vs 15 tells Abraham He will die
2. vs 16 tells Abraham this covenant concerns the 4th Generation of his seed..
3. vs 18 tells Abraham his seed are given the land (the 4th generation)

Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Speaking of the 3 patriarchs and of Sarah, the matriarch, the book of Hebrews says the same thing we see in Acts 7.
Heb 11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob understood, they would inherit after they were already dead. Hence their faith in the resurrection from the dead. Therefore Abe's faith was tested concerning this matter. And the covenant of Genesis 17 was established in Isaac. Even Joseph (3rd gen) spoke in faith of the resurrection.
Ge 50:25 And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.

In short the covenant of Gensis 17, was the promise given Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the twelve Patriarchs. It was not the earthly worldly land and kingdom, promised them.

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

The covenant of Gen 17, is where many nations are heirs of promise equal with the natural seed.
You're welcome to disagree but I used the Scripture that specifically showed God saying that the previous promise was being taken into the next generation. But, again, I don't believe this to be a dividing issue. :)
Shalom.
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You're welcome to disagree but I used the Scripture that specifically showed God saying that the previous promise was being taken into the next generation. But, again, I don't believe this to be a dividing issue. :)
Shalom.
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I do not know if it is a dividing issue either. I am skeptical that it can become one. All your quotes concerning Isaac and Jacob concern the covenant of Gen 17, as Hebrews and acts teach. But the natural seed is spoken of in Gen 15, the earthly shadow of gen 17, which is the new heaven and the new earth. The Patriarches walked as strangers and sojourners in the land, and were few (not many, as the 4th gen) in it.
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 
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I do not know if it is a dividing issue either. I am skeptical that it can become one. All your quotes concerning Isaac and Jacob concern the covenant of Gen 17, as Hebrews and acts teach. But the natural seed is spoken of in Gen 15, the earthly shadow of gen 17, which is the new heaven and the new earth. The Patriarches walked as strangers and sojourners in the land, and were few (not many, as the 4th gen) in it.
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
See, even "new heaven and new earth" in Hebrew (chadashah) and Greek (kainos) are not brand new. God is going to restore the earth He created, not create a brand new earth. So "new" is not correct there and it isn't correct in Jer. 31:31 or Heb. 8:8... it just isn't. It is a renewed covenant according to both the Hebrew and Greek which then stands in line with the idea of an "everlasting covenant." Otherwise, you end up with a God calling the covenant everlasting when it wasn't. And everlasting DOES mean everlasting... please don't go where many try to here... by undermine the word olam. If you do, you might undermine God Himself as He called Himself olam and we know He has no end.
 
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You're welcome to disagree but I used the Scripture that specifically showed God saying that the previous promise was being taken into the next generation. But, again, I don't believe this to be a dividing issue. :)
Shalom.
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But, it is a dividing issue when one uses the scriptures to convey an opposite meaning than what they actually state. Listed showed you where deut. explicitly counters your assumptions here. As have others. And, here is another:
Romans 4:13 For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. 14For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void.​

Very clearly, but with a LITTLE MORE detail... we have the promise given to Abraham, that was extended to Isaac is now extended to Jacob as well. Going back to Psalm 105:10 we see that in the same breath, what went to Jacob goes to Israel as an everlasting covenant. The promise given to Abraham, extended to Isaac, then Jacob, with the text finally written on stone at Sinai and called everlasting. That SAME EVERLASTING COVENANT is renewed through Yeshua where the text is taken from the stone and placed directly on the heart.

Romans 4:15 For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression. 16 That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring–not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,​

The promise, the Seed, the inheritance is Yeshua, who gives eternal life to all who 'believe'. It did not come through the Torah, nor does it rest on Torah observance as given Israel through Moses.
 
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The promise, the Seed, the inheritance is Yeshua, who gives eternal life to all who 'believe'. It did not come through the Torah, nor does it rest on Torah observance as given Israel through Moses.

If you see the covenant as dealing with only eternal life, go ahead. I see it as far more than just that. As for everlasting life coming through Moses... sure, please, by all means, go and find where I said that! Just because the covenant is everlasting doesn't mean it began at Moses... I was actually very clear earlier that it started even before Abraham but for argument sake, we start there.

I am not interested in getting into a theological peeing match. If you want to ignore that the underlying Hebrew and Greek for new (as in new covenant) is really renew... go ahead. Your problem then is not with me, it is with the bible.

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See, even "new heaven and new earth" in Hebrew (chadashah) and Greek (kainos) are not brand new. God is going to restore the earth He created, not create a brand new earth. So "new" is not correct there and it isn't correct in Jer. 31:31 or Heb. 8:8... it just isn't. It is a renewed covenant according to both the Hebrew and Greek which then stands in line with the idea of an "everlasting covenant." Otherwise, you end up with a God calling the covenant everlasting when it wasn't. And everlasting DOES mean everlasting... please don't go where many try to here... by undermine the word olam. If you do, you might undermine God Himself as He called Himself olam and we know He has no end.
The LORD has declared, that when Yisrael returns to God in faith, he will gather us as his wife and bring us to Tziyon, where we will be great in number, and shepherded by God given leaders with knowledge and understanding. They will lead us to no longer think or remember, miss or try to renew “The ark of the covenant of the LORD with all it’s ordinances and regulations that deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation. (Hebrews 9:10)

Jeremiah 3: 14-18 14 “Return, faithless people,” declares the LORD, “for I am your husband. I will choose you–one from a town and two from a clan–and bring you to Zion. 15 Then I will give you shepherds after my own heart, who will lead you with knowledge and understanding. 16 In those days, when your numbers have increased greatly in the land,” declares the LORD, “men will no longer say, ‘The ark of the covenant of the LORD.’ It will never enter their minds or be remembered; it will not be missed, nor will another one be made. 17 At that time they will call Jerusalem The Throne of the LORD, and all nations will gather in Jerusalem to honor the name of the LORD. No longer will they follow the stubbornness of their evil hearts. 18 In those days the house of Judah will join the house of Israel, and together they will come from a northern land to the land I gave your forefathers as an inheritance.

Jeremiah 23:7-8 7 “So then, the days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when people will no longer say, ‘As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,’ 8 but they will say, ‘As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the descendants of Israel up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.’ Then they will live in their own land.”​

Notice the prophet said that in those days by the Lords declation no one will be even thinking about the ark of the Lord’s covenant, they won’t remember it, nor miss it. And it will never again be made!!

But his ‘law’s are still able to be walked out. Laws that do not deal with the ark of the covenant?

Ezekiel 36:26-27 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.​

Jeremiah 31:31-33 31 “The time is coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them, ” declares the LORD. 33 “This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time,” declares the LORD. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.​

Why did God speak through Jeremiah stating that the ark would no longer be made or thought of if the covenant of the LORD was to be ‘kept’ at all, by anyone, at any time in the future? Especially when Yeshua returns and regathers Yisrael.

According to these scriptures, the new covenant will not even concern itself with the Ark of the Covenant, or our salvation out of Egypt. Both of which are inexplicably tied to Torah observance, or the covenant of the LORD.

The ark was the very presence of God and the whole reason for the Temple. The salvation out of Egypt is the basis for the Torah given Moshe. Without declaring the salvation out of Egypt we do not declare Pesach or our being made holy to God through his commands given at Mt. Sinai.

Jeremiah 3 & 23 are speaking of the same ‘day’ as Jeremiah 31.

Yet, in all this, the law of God remains, and is still written on our heart.

Yeshua has come to bring us where he is. He has gone through the more perfect tent, not made with hands that is not of this creation. Instead of ‘re’entering the tent of Moses, he came through once and for all into the holy places that have nothing to do with the sacrifices of animals, but with the sacrifice and resurrection of his own body. The banner God raised up to the nations for all to see, believe, and be healed (forgiven of sins).

Yeshua purifies our conscience from dead works (living day to day for ourselves) to serve the living God through the indwelling of his Spirit. He mediates a new covenant so that Yisrael may receive this promised eternal inheritance. Union with God through Yeshua, who is in union with God, forever living in the Land promised to our forefathers.

Hebrews 9:11But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God. 15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
please don't go where many try to here... by undermine the word olam. If you do, you might undermine God Himself as He called Himself olam and we know He has no end

Isaiah 43

18 “Stop dwelling on past events and brooding over times gone by; 19 I am doing something new; it’s springing up – can’t you see it? I am making a road in the desert, rivers in the wasteland.​
 
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The LORD has declared, that when Yisrael returns to God in faith, he will gather us as his wife and bring us to Tziyon, where we will be great in number, and shepherded by God given leaders with knowledge and understanding. They will lead us to no longer think or remember, miss or try to renew “The ark of the covenant of the LORD with all it’s ordinances and regulations that deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation. (Hebrews 9:10)

Jeremiah 3: 14-18 14 “Return, faithless people,” declares the LORD, “for I am your husband. I will choose you–one from a town and two from a clan–and bring you to Zion. 15 Then I will give you shepherds after my own heart, who will lead you with knowledge and understanding. 16 In those days, when your numbers have increased greatly in the land,” declares the LORD, “men will no longer say, ‘The ark of the covenant of the LORD.’ It will never enter their minds or be remembered; it will not be missed, nor will another one be made. 17 At that time they will call Jerusalem The Throne of the LORD, and all nations will gather in Jerusalem to honor the name of the LORD. No longer will they follow the stubbornness of their evil hearts. 18 In those days the house of Judah will join the house of Israel, and together they will come from a northern land to the land I gave your forefathers as an inheritance.

Jeremiah 23:7-8 7 “So then, the days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when people will no longer say, ‘As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,’ 8 but they will say, ‘As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the descendants of Israel up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.’ Then they will live in their own land.”​

Notice the prophet said that in those days by the Lords declation no one will be even thinking about the ark of the Lord’s covenant, they won’t remember it, nor miss it. And it will never again be made!!

But his ‘law’s are still able to be walked out. Laws that do not deal with the ark of the covenant?

Ezekiel 36:26-27 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.​

Jeremiah 31:31-33 31 “The time is coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them, ” declares the LORD. 33 “This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time,” declares the LORD. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.​

Why did God speak through Jeremiah stating that the ark would no longer be made or thought of if the covenant of the LORD was to be ‘kept’ at all, by anyone, at any time in the future? Especially when Yeshua returns and regathers Yisrael.

According to these scriptures, the new covenant will not even concern itself with the Ark of the Covenant, or our salvation out of Egypt. Both of which are inexplicably tied to Torah observance, or the covenant of the LORD.

The ark was the very presence of God and the whole reason for the Temple. The salvation out of Egypt is the basis for the Torah given Moshe. Without declaring the salvation out of Egypt we do not declare Pesach or our being made holy to God through his commands given at Mt. Sinai.

Jeremiah 3 & 23 are speaking of the same ‘day’ as Jeremiah 31.

Yet, in all this, the law of God remains, and is still written on our heart.

Yeshua has come to bring us where he is. He has gone through the more perfect tent, not made with hands that is not of this creation. Instead of ‘re’entering the tent of Moses, he came through once and for all into the holy places that have nothing to do with the sacrifices of animals, but with the sacrifice and resurrection of his own body. The banner God raised up to the nations for all to see, believe, and be healed (forgiven of sins).

Yeshua purifies our conscience from dead works (living day to day for ourselves) to serve the living God through the indwelling of his Spirit. He mediates a new covenant so that Yisrael may receive this promised eternal inheritance. Union with God through Yeshua, who is in union with God, forever living in the Land promised to our forefathers.

Hebrews 9:11But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God. 15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.


Isaiah 43

18 “Stop dwelling on past events and brooding over times gone by; 19 I am doing something new; it’s springing up – can’t you see it? I am making a road in the desert, rivers in the wasteland.​
What is new, what is different? He is moving the text from the stone to the heart where before it was on stone and Israel was asked to keep it on their hearts on their own. Unable to do that, God is now doing it for us, all. That is new, that is "better" but it is the same text... the same covenant/promise. He called it everlasting... that is enough for me and will REMAIN enough for me. :) Don't feel the need to try to teach me, I am not seeking on this subject. The wording is clear (chadashah/kainos) other adjectives are clear (like "everlasting") and so I am good, thanks.
 
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If you see the covenant as dealing with only eternal life, go ahead. I see it as far more than just that. As for everlasting life coming through Moses... sure, please, by all means, go and find where I said that! Just because the covenant is everlasting doesn't mean it began at Moses... I was actually very clear earlier that it started even before Abraham but for argument sake, we start there.

I am not interested in getting into a theological peeing match. If you want to ignore that the underlying Hebrew and Greek for new (as in new covenant) is really renew... go ahead. Your problem then is not with me, it is with the bible.

Shalom.
No, my issue is not with the bible. Your statements however do not coincide with what was written in it. I see you making numerous assumptions and claiming they are clear and correct. And it seems your not interested in discussing a counter POV. Got it. So for the sake of clarity, and further explanation of why I disagree with your muddied assumptions about the promises given Abraham and it's non-correlation with the Law given through Moses here in this thread.

Here is my understanding of The Promises made to Abraham.

Paul, was finally brought up in front of the King of Israel because of the Temple fiasco in Jerusalem. He explains that he was brought to trial because of the hope he had in the promise of God made to ‘our fathers’.

Acts 26:6 And now I stand here on trial because of my hope in the promise made by God to our fathers, 7to which our twelve tribes hope to attain, as they earnestly worship night and day. And for this hope I am accused by Jews, O king! 8 Why is it thought incredible by any of you that God raises the dead?

22To this day I have had the help that comes from God, and so I stand here testifying both to small and great, saying nothing but what the prophets and Moses said would come to pass: 23that the Christ must suffer and that, by being the first to rise from the dead, he would proclaim light both to our people and to the Gentiles.”

Again about what Moses and the prophets said, just like Stephen. And what is the promise? Messiah, and resurrection from the dead. Messiah and eternal life. To all who believe. Jew and Gentile alike. This is the promise, that has nothing to do with the law. Though the law speaks of it, the law is NOT it. Yet, I tip my hand. Let’s continue more.

Romans 4 – 1-12 & 13-25

The first half of this chapter deals with the subject of Abraham being accounted righteous BEFORE he did any act of law. He was found righteous because he believed, and since he believed he followed the commands then given to him by God. His status with God had nothing to do with his actions, but with is belief. His belief caused his actions. And he was justified BEFORE he was given the commands. This was to show that God’s promise of eternal life is offered through faith, not works. Having nothing to do with following the commands, but everything to do with believing the words and promises of God. Works may prove your faith, but the fact is your faith is NOT rewarded on the basis of any works.

Since the latter half of this chapter deals specifically with this topic I will post it all.

13 For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. 14For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void.

15 For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression. 16 That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring–not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,

17 as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”–in the presence of the God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist. 18 In hope he believed against hope, that he should become the father of many nations, as he had been told, “So shall your offspring be.”

19 He did not weaken in faith when he considered his own body, which was as good as dead (since he was about a hundred years old), or when he considered the barrenness of Sarah’s womb. 20 No distrust made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God, 21 fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised. 22 That is why his faith was “counted to him as righteousness.” 23 But the words “it was counted to him” were not written for his sake alone, 24 but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord, 25who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.

The Gentiles are God’s offspring through Abraham and the promise made through him about Messiah. The promise to Abraham does NOT come through the law, has nothing to do with the law, but rests on grace through faith. When we, Jews or/and Gentiles place faith in the promise of Messiah made through Abraham by God we also are counted as righteous in God’s sight!!! Messiah is the promise, who brings eternal life to all who believe. Having nothing to do with the law, or becoming Israel through following it.

And now the dreaded Galatians 3;

Righteousness comes ONLY through faith having nothing to do with the law.

10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, ……

11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”

12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”

13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us–for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”–

14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

Paul then goes into a detailed explaination of the relationship between ‘The Law’ and ‘The Promise’;

15To give a human example, brothers:even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.

17 This is what I mean: the law, which came years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise. 19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one. 21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

The promises were made to Abrham and his offspring, which refers to Messiah. So, the promises were made to Abraham and Messiah.

The inheritance does not come by or through the law, it comes by and through the promise.

The law was later included UNTIL Messiah should come. The law was mediated through angels. The law is not contrary to the promise of God. The law is not contrary to being found righteous ONLY through faith in Messiah. The law is not contrary to remaining righteous ONLY through faith in Messiah.

The promise is given to those who believe in Messiah. Messiah is given to the faithful.

In Messiah all nations are sons of God, through faith.

If we are in Messiah we are children of God. Messiah is the promise, his gift is the Spirit of God that dwells within us, placing us ‘in’ Messiah, at one with God.

Galatians 4 goes into even more detail about the contrast between the law and the promise. But we really need to get to Ephesians 2 & 3.


Ephesians 2
12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Gentiles were never before offered entrance or connection to the God of Israel outside of Israel. God took a Gentile and made him a special creation, unique to the rest of the nations of the world. And now, through Messiah these nations have been ‘brought near’. But how close?

Ephesians 3
The mystery of the Gospel revealed – 6 This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

Members of the same body? Could the TOG’s be right? What does it mean to become ‘members of the same body’?
One Body with Many Members
12 For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body–Jews or Greeks, slaves or free–and all were made to drink of one Spirit. 14 For the body does not consist of one member but of many. 15 If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would be the sense of hearing? If the whole body were an ear, where would be the sense of smell? 18 But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. 19 If all were a single member, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, yet one body. 21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you,” nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22 On the contrary, the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and on those parts of the body that we think less honorable we bestow the greater honor, and our unpresentable parts are treated with greater modesty, 24 which our more presentable parts do not require. But God has so composed the body, giving greater honor to the part that lacked it, 25 that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. 26 If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together. 27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. 28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But earnestly desire the higher gifts. And I will show you a still more excellent way.

If all were Israel, were would the body be? Are there not many parts to one body? Are not the parts of the body that ‘seem’ to be weaker actually indispensable? And those that we ‘think’ less honorable, should they not be given greater honor? Are there not parts of the body that require more or less modesty? God gave greater honor to the part that lacked!!! Did you catch that? So there may be no division in the body, but that we may all care for each other.

And, is not love a more excellent way than being appointed a high place in the body?

1 john 2

20 But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge.21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father.

25 And this is the promise that he made to us–eternal life.

26 I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie–just as it has taught you, abide in him.
 
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