Is "Christian Zionism" an Oxymoron?

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The 1599 Geneva Bible was written over 350 years before I was born...

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FYI, the Geneva Bible has prophecy in it , as all the other recognized and authorized Bibles do that has not yet been fulfilled. The greatest of which pertaining to the Lord's return. Capiche?!


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FYI, the Geneva Bible has prophecy in it , as all the other recognized and authorized Bibles do that has not yet been fulfilled. The greatest of which pertaining to the Lord's return. Capiche?!


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The great Baptist preacher Charles Haddon Spurgeon wrote during his time that Darby claimed his group was the only "true church" in London.

Mr. Grant on "The Darby Brethren"

That would make Darby a cult leader.

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Your above response is nothing more than meaningless opinion and does not answer my question, "what is Darby a false prophet about."

John Darby did not invent the pre-tribulation rapture of the Church theology. Jesus and Paul did, in John 14:2-3, 28; 1 Thess.4:14-17; 2 Thess.2:1-8; Rev.3:10; 4:1-2; 7-8, 14.

Supporters of pretribulationism generally believe that John Nelson Darby (1800–1882) revived this lost New Testament teaching through intense Bible study during convalescence from a riding accident in December 1827 and January 1828. Evangelical opponents of pretribulationism often put forth theories that cast Darby in a bad light. For example, some say Darby got it from Edward Irving (1792–1834), while others say it originated from the prophetic utterance of a fifteen-year old Scottish lassie Margaret MacDonald (1815–1840). Both sources are understood to be tainted since Irving was considered exocentric and heretical and MacDonald's prophetic utterance is thought to be demonic. What is the evidence that Darby developed his view from his own personal study?

Bt homas Ice, PhD.


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Supporters of pretribulationism generally believe that John Nelson Darby (1800–1882) revived this lost New Testament teaching through intense Bible study during convalescence from a riding accident in December 1827 and January 1828. Evangelical opponents of pretribulationism often put forth theories that cast Darby in a bad light. For example, some say Darby got it from Edward Irving (1792–1834), while others say it originated from the prophetic utterance of a fifteen-year old Scottish lassie Margaret MacDonald (1815–1840). Both sources are understood to be tainted since Irving was considered exocentric and heretical and MacDonald's prophetic utterance is thought to be demonic. What is the evidence that Darby developed his view from his own personal study?

Bt homas Ice, PhD.

Nice "story".

There is just one little problem with Dr. Ice's riding accident "story", and that problem is John Darby himself who wrote a prophetic paper in 1829 from the historicist, amill perspective.
He also mentions in his paper "The Morning Watch", which was the periodical of the Irvingites.
Therefore, we know he was following what they were doing.


It also shows the riding accident story to be, just another "story".

Darby did not adopt the doctrine until after Irving died of TB during 1834.

One of the best histories of these events was written by Brethren Historian F.R. Coad during the 1960's.

PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418


Origins of the Pretrib Doctrine: Pastor Tim Warner
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/pretrib_history.pdf

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Nice "story".

There is just one little problem with Dr. Ice's riding accident "story", and that problem is John Darby himself who wrote a prophetic paper in 1829 from the historicist, amill perspective.
He also mentions in his paper "The Morning Watch", which was the periodical of the Irvingites.
Therefore, we know he was following what they were doing.


It also shows the riding accident story to be, just another "story".

Darby did not adopt the doctrine until after Irving died of TB during 1834.

One of the best histories of these events was written by Brethren Historian F.R. Coad during the 1960's.

PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418


Origins of the Pretrib Doctrine: Pastor Tim Warner
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/pretrib_history.pdf

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Your obsession with John Darby is the epitome of meaningless opinion. He DID NOT invent either premillennialism or the pre-trib rapture of the Church, you are in denial of. But rather that come directly from Jesus and Paul, as documented in the following four post link. Let me see your Scripturally based argument proving any part of it is false, or you have proven your views to be false.

Your argument as to the excerpt about John Darby, by Thomas Ice, PhD, was the conclusion of the Biography he wrote about his entire life, and is more of your pointless, meaningless, false opinion.

The Biblical teaching of the pre-trib rapture of the Church, originated by Jesus and His Apostles, NOT by John Darby.

The Biblical teaching of the pre-trib rapture of the Church - a deeper walk...


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Your argument as to the excerpt about John Darby, by Thomas Ice, PhD, was the conclusion of the Biography he wrote about his entire life, and is more of your pointless, meaningless, false opinion.

When faced with the reality of the historical written record, it is clear to all others here what is "pointless, meaningless, false opinion" and what is fact.

Fact: Darby wrote a prophetic paper in 1829 from the historicist, amill perspective, that never even hinted at the pretrib doctrine.

Fact: Dr. Thomas Ice claims that Darby came up with the pretrib doctrine while recovering from a riding accident during 1827-1828.

Fact: The pretrib doctrine showed up in "The Morning Watch", which was the periodical of the Irvingites during the Fall of 1830.

Fact: Based on the paper written by Brethren Historian F.R. Coad, Darby accepted the pretrib doctrine at a later point in time and it was one of the things that caused a major contention between Darby and Brethren leader Benjamin Newton.

These are not my opinions they are a part of the written record.

You are correct in that Darby did not invent the pretrib doctrine.

He adopted it from the Irvingites, after Irving died in 1834.

Dr. Charles C. Ryrie stated in his book "Dispensationalism" that Darby became interested in prophecy after attending a conference at Albury.

Edward Irving presented doctrine from the book "Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty" at the Albury Conferences. The book was written under the name "Ben Ezra a converted Jew".
However, it was actually written by the Jesuit, Manuel Lacunza.


Darby's greatest contribution to the doctrine was dividing scripture into that for the Church and that for Israel. Many Dispensationalists call this "Rightly Dividing" the Word.
Darby then brought the doctrine to America during the 1860's and became its greatest salesman.


The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible.

It is a history that most Dispensationalists would like to keep hidden from those sitting in the pews.
Therefore, condemnation is often directed toward those who dare to speak the truth on the history of this modern doctrine.


Below are links to the historical written record, which will verify the above facts.



Genesis of Dispensational Theology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee4RS5pDntQ


Dispensationalism in America

Bruce Gore


PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS

with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418


Lacunza, Manuel, “Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty“

PDF Files

Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine

Pastor Tim Warner
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/pretrib_history.pdf


Pretribulationist Revisionism

(Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints)
Pastor Tim Warner
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/Jeffrey.pdf

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The doctrine claims that at some future point in time modern descendants of Jacob will come to salvation outside of the Church.

Recently the present Lord Rothschild admitted the role that his family of money-changers played in the creation of the modern State of Israel.

Is the modern Zionist movement really "Christian", based on 1 John 2:22-23?

All of the faithful followers of Yahshua are descendants of Abraham.
There is no unique destiny for those who despise the Messiah except eternal damnation!
The modern man-made state of Israel is not representative of God's chosen people like the Judeo-Christian frauds teach.
Zionism and Christianity do not even belong in the same sentence!
Good post!!
 
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Quasar input is in red for you to follow along easier.

Your obsession with the rapture represents twisting scripture to facilitate your personal bias on the matter of the gathering.

There is not a single verse in the entire word of god that suggests anyone is taken up to Heaven with a transformed body NOT ONE!!

Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

This is not about escaping the tribulation at all. It is all about being Spiritually able to stand strong and escape the deception of the Love of this World.

Luke 21:34-35 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.


Look here how Quasar combines scriptures to support a nonsensical theory!! Simply Amazing!!

Jn.14:2-4 and 28:
"In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you [See Jn.20:17]. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going." [Jn.14:2-4].


John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

The place prepared for us is New Jerusalem revealed after the 1000 year reign of our Messiah, fulfilling his promise of thy Kingdom come on earth as it is in Heaven! John 14:3 is fulfilled when He receives His Elect that inherit this restored earth at His second advent.

Luke 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken

Men's hearts failing them for fear, Yes this includes the fearful pre-trib rapture cult that is to afraid to suffer for or alongside Christ who promised us not peace and safety but Tribulations in this world.

Luke 21:27-28 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

After the tribulation, we are transformed when Christ our Messiah returns to the earth again.

You know the way to the place where I am going." [Jn.14:2-4].

Really what translation are you using? The verses below will provide the real context of the question asked in this verse as the answer is given a few verses later.
What are you suggesting here? Did Yahshua give them a map to Heaven Really?

John 14:5-7 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


 
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I just started on the book "Against Our Better Judgment", by Alison Weir.

It is the hidden history of how the U.S. was used to create the modern State of Israel.


I did not know previously that U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis was a part of a secret society called the Parushim, which means "Pharisees". Its purpose was to support the cause of Zionism.



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John Nelson Darby came to America around the time of the Civil War and brought the Two Peoples of God doctrine of modern Dispensational Theology to our nation.

The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible.
After that time, the doctrine spread like a virus through the modern evangelical Church.
Some people sitting in modern Southern Baptist churches have never heard anything else.
Dispensational preachers like John Hagee and Dr. David Jeremiah dominate much of Christian television in the United States.


The doctrine claims that at some future point in time modern descendants of Jacob will come to salvation outside of the Church.

Today millions of Christians all over the world support the cause of "Zionism".
Thousands of American soldiers have been killed in the Middle East during my lifetime.


Recently the present Lord Rothschild admitted the role that his family of money-changers played in the creation of the modern State of Israel.

Some American Christians have given financially to rebuild a Jewish temple in Jerusalem, whose goal is to renew animal sacrifices.

Is the modern Zionist movement really "Christian", based on 1 John 2:22-23?


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I applaud your attempt to be more precise in your language concerning John Nelson Darby. But you still do not have it even close to correct. Among other things, you are still using your deceptive language that Dispensationalism "claims that at some future point in time modern descendants of Jacob will come to salvation outside of the Church." I continue to denounce this as a willful attempt to misrepresent our doctrine. But that is not the subject of this post.

The false claims about the history of the doctrine of Dispensationalism came to the attention of a University level professor of seventeenth and eighteenth century English literature a few years ago. Knowing this was completely and totally incorrect, he obtained a grant to take time off from his duties, and devote several years to researching this subject. All of the following quotations are from his book, titled "Dispensationalism Before Darby," by William C. Watson, Silverton, 2015, ISBN # 978-1-942614-03-6,

First, he found very clear statement of the doctrine of a pre-tribulation rapture, and of a restoration of Israel after that rapture, in a work published 147 years before Darby was born, and 82 years before the birth ofManuel Lacunza, who is falsely claimed to be the ultimate source of Darby's ideas. In this document, we read:

“And now we come to declare what he (the vile Person or Beast) will doe after the Saints are taken up; that is, he and his Army, after a short space, will recover their Spirits again, and being impowred by the devil he takes Jerusalem…And then he will set himself in the Temple of God, and exalt him self above all that is called God, 2Thess.2.4. and Dan.11.36…now persuaded, by the Dragon and the vile Person, to joyn with him, in utterly rooting out this people of the Jews out of that plentifull Country… And now we apprehend will be the time, when all the world will wonder after the Beast, whose deadly wound by a Sword was healed…set up the abomination which makes desolate,,,then would be the time that they [Jews] would have most need to fly [to the wilderness], in regard to the great tribulation that would immediately follow, such as was not from the beginning of the world to that time. …the holy City shall they tread under foot two and fourty months [3½ years]…in the midst of the week [in the middle of seven years] he shall cause the Sacrifice…to cease…and they [Jews] shall be given into his hands until a time, and times, and the dividing of time [3½ years]… So that from the time of the Saints being taken up…to the time that the Beast and the false Prophet will be taken alive and cast into the lake of fire, and the said Devill or Dragon bound up with a chain, will be a short time… So that the longest time of the Prophecies concerning him, for the said time of the Saints being taken up, to his end, will not be four years. A short time in respect of eternity, but a long time in respect of the miseries and plagues that will fall upon the Inhabitants of the Earth.” (“A Brief Survey of the Prophetical and Evangelical Events of the Last Times,” John Browne, London, 1653, 45-47.)

But as to the claim you are now making that Darby is the one who brought to America the idea of of Israel still being the people of God, Watson found all of the following:

Ephraim Huit (also called Hewitt) founded one of the first churches in Connecticut. He insisted that God’s love for the physical descendants was unconditional, saying, “The Lord having chosen the posterity of Abraham to be a particular Inheritance established with them a covenant of holiness, of happinesse, which though they did often violate...yet did their Remainder continue the beloved of the Lord, at least for the fathers sake, and their faithlessnesse made not the faith of God of none effect: still the Lord had them in his thoughts of peace.” (“The Whole Prophecie of Daniel Explained, by a Paraphrase, Analysis, and brief Comment,” by Ephraim Huit, London, 1643, 1.)

Huit taught that the passage in Daniel 7:18 “the Saints of the Most High will receive the kingdom” referred not to Christians, but to Jews in a future earthly kingdom, saying, “God’s Church as a Bride royally attired descends from Heaven...yet the holy Jews well knew, that none but they called of the Lord were these Saints. ...for Saints and Jewes are confounded everywhere in this Prophecie, and Saints never otherwise taken.” (“The Whole Prophecie of Daniel Explained, by a Paraphrase, Analysis, and brief Comment,” by Ephraim Huit, London, 1643, 204-207)


Peter Bulkeley immigrated to New England after being ejected by Archbishop Laud in 1634, founding Concord in 1637, he served as their first pastor until his death in 1659. He said:
“seeke the peace of Jerusalem, the prosperitie of Sion… By virtue of the Covenant made with their fathers, they shall be delivered out of the bondage in which they are now holden… The promise is made here [Ezekiel 37] to Judah and Israel…it is not to be shewed…that the ten Tribes of Israel…were ever restored since their captivie, or united to Judah againe…both Judah and Israel shall be called againe. …In Rom. 11 the whole Chapter, the Apostle purposely speaketh of the rejection of the Jews, but withal shewes that it was neither total nor final… then he comes to speak of their calling again.” (The Gospel-Covenant; or The Covenant of Grace Opened. Wherein are explained; 1. The differences betwixt the Covenant of Grace and Covenant of works. 2. The different administration of the Covenant before and after Christ…,” by Peter Bulkeley, London, 1646, preface, 3-4, 17-18.)

Bulkeley’s Reasons for Rejecting Preterism
1) “The promise is made here to Judah and Israel…it is not to be shewed by any History in Scripture, that the ten Tribes of Israel were ever restored since their Captivitie, or united to Judah againe. …both of them shall be called againe, and united together…to what time is this prophecy to be referred? I suppose to these last times, wherein both Judah and Israel whall be called again:
2) “And it cannot be meant of the time of their returne out of Babylon…there should be a change in worship [but] after they came out of Babylon the ceremoniall worship still lasted: the timeof Reformation is not yet come; therefore this prophecie speaks not of this time
3) “Because in the time of this Prophecies accomplishment, all Nations must be gathered to Jerusalem, to joyne the Church of the Jewes in the worship of God. But all Nations were not gathered to them at their coming out of Babylon.”
4) “there shall be a more full degree of calling home the Jewes, then was in either of the times mentioned before, and they shall come in, in more abundance, Rom 11.12.” (The Gospel-Covenant; or The Covenant of Grace Opened. Wherein are explained; 1. The differences betwixt the Covenant of Grace and Covenant of works. 2. The different administration of the Covenant before and after Christ…,” by Peter Bulkeley, London, 1646, 4-6)

“the promise here in my Text, being made to Judah and Israel both, therefore this prophecy
belongs to the times yet to come, when both of them shall be turned to the Lord. … So in Zech.
12.10.They shall looke upon him whom they have pierced, and shall mourn for him. This
prophecy is yet to be fulfilled, because this mourning for him was never seene in that Nation to
this day. … There is remaining in that people, a strange affection unto their own Land, many
aged persons…take wearisome journeys…that they may dye at Jerusalem. … In Rom 11. The
whole Chapter, the Apostle purposely speaketh of the rejection of the Jewes, but withal shews
that it was neither total nor final…then he comes to speake of their calling againe.” (The Gospel-Covenant; or The Covenant of Grace Opened. Wherein are explained; 1. The differences betwixt the Covenant of Grace and Covenant of works. 2. The different administration of the Covenant before and after Christ…,” by Peter Bulkeley, London, 1646, 8, 15-18.)

Bulkeley then made it clear that the Abrahamic Covenant to the Jews is eternal and unconditional, saying, “…his people, they may be assured, that the virtue, the blessing, and efficacy of the Covenant hall never be disannulled, but it shall goe on to you and your children forever; by your Covenant, you have such hold of God, that you may be assured, he will be a God, not to you onely, but to a thousand generations after you: not that there may be an interruption for a time, but the strength of the Covenant will take hold againe, so as there shall not faile…the Covenant will bring them in againe…” (The Gospel-Covenant; or The Covenant of Grace Opened. Wherein are explained; 1. The differences betwixt the Covenant of Grace and Covenant of works. 2. The different administration of the Covenant before and after Christ…,” by Peter Bulkeley, London, 1646, 21-22.)

Remember that 1643, when Huit published his book, was 157 years before Darby was born and 88 years before Lacunza was born, and Burkeley published his only three years later, that is 154 years before Darby was born and 85 years before Lacunnza was born. But both of these books were actually written in America, by Christian leaders in American churches.

So Darby neither originated the doctrine nor introduced it to America. Thus the entire foundation of your system of accusation about the origins of this doctrine, is fatally flawed.

And incidentally, Thomas Ice has now realized his earlier errors on this subject, and has published Watson's papers about all of this, and much more, on his website.
 
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Among other things, you are still using your deceptive language that Dispensationalism "claims that at some future point in time modern descendants of Jacob will come to salvation outside of the Church." I continue to denounce this as a willful attempt to misrepresent our doctrine. But that is not the subject of this post.


That is a very strange statement coming from the man who announced this week a future change in covenants and a return to animal sacrifices for sin.
You have represented your doctrine very well, indeed.


Why don't you produce a YouTube video and announce to the world this future change in covenants and a return to animal sacrifices for sin as a key part of modern Dispensational Theology?


I bought a copy of Watson's book several weeks ago, and so far I have not found anything in it about a future change in covenants and a return to animal sacrifices for sin.



I have used Brethren historian F.R. Coad as a source of Brethren history.
You must not like what Coad said in the paper below.

Apparently you think that using a Brethren historian is "a willful attempt to misrepresent your doctrine".

You may not be aware that Pastor Tim Warner comes out of a Brethren background.


PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418

Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine
Pastor Tim Warner
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/pretrib_history.pdf


Based on Galatians 3:16-29, the Abrahamic Covenant is the promise of the New Covenant Messiah.

There is only one covenant of works that takes away sin.
It was the work done on a wooden Cross at Calvary.


How do you know "the Saints taken up" are not the two witnesses in Revelation chapter 11?

You have those above, who like John Hagee, claim the Jews are still under an earlier covenant, which is an idea you condemned.

You have another who also must have cut Hebrews 8:6-13 out of his Bible.



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That is a very strange statement coming from the man who announced this week a future change in covenants and a return to animal sacrifices for sin.
You have represented your doctrine very well, indeed.


Why don't you produce a YouTube video and announce to the world this future change in covenants and a return to animal sacrifices for sin as a key part of modern Dispensational Theology?


I bought a copy of Watson's book several weeks ago, and so far I have not found anything in it about a future change in covenants and a return to animal sacrifices for sin.



I have used Brethren historian F.R. Coad as a source of Brethren history.
You must not like what Coad said in the paper below.

Apparently you think that using a Brethren historian is "a willful attempt to misrepresent your doctrine".

You may not be aware that Pastor Tim Warner comes out of a Brethren background.


PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418

Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine
Pastor Tim Warner
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/pretrib_history.pdf


Based on Galatians 3:16-29, the Abrahamic Covenant is the promise of the New Covenant Messiah.

There is only one covenant of works that takes away sin.
It was the work done on a wooden Cross at Calvary.


How do you know "the Saints taken up" are not the two witnesses in Revelation chapter 11?

You have those above, who like John Hagee, claim the Jews are still under an earlier covenant, which is an idea you condemned.

You have another who also must have cut Hebrews 8:6-13 out of his Bible.


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I do not know the background of Tim Warner, but your representation of his claims does not speak well of him. Coad is well known as an active opponent of Darby, and his documents were obviously prejudiced.

But regardless of whether their errors were intentional or not, what they bth said has now been conclusively proved to have been false.

And your red herring abut what I have said is just that. A red herring. And it has absolutely nothing to do with this subject.

But I will plead guilty to the "heresy" of actually believing what the Bible EXPLICITLY says.
 
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But I will plead guilty to the "heresy" of actually believing what the Bible EXPLICITLY says.
Including these:

2 Corinthians 1
20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
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In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Hebrews 10
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.


You may notice that your "future third system of worship" is contained in the first (old) covenant of Hebrews 10:9. You may also notice that it has been taken away to establish the second (New) Covenant.

A system of worship contained in a covenant that has been taken away, no longer exists.
 
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Including these:

2 Corinthians 1
20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Hebrews 10
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.


You may notice that your "future third system of worship" is contained in the first (old) covenant of Hebrews 10:9. You may also notice that it has been taken away to establish the second (New) Covenant.

A system of worship contained in a covenant that has been taken away, no longer exists.

The system of worship described in Ezekiel is NOT the system of worship contained in the covenant that has been taken away. It is a different system designed for the New Covenant. You have seen me state thus repeatedly, and have not even bothered to check and see if it is correct. For if you had bothered to do this, you would have indeed seen that this is a 100% accurate statement. If you do not believe this is correct,then, instead of railing about my evil in saying it, prove from the scriptures that it is not correct. This is something you simply cannot do. For both the sacrifices and the laws about how and by whom they are to be offered are different from those given to Moses.
 
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