A Millennium Full Of Sacrificial Blood?

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24 In controversy they shall stand as judges, and judge it according to My judgments. They shall keep My laws and My statutes in all My appointed meetings, and they shall hallow My Sabbaths. 25 They shall not defile themselves by coming near a dead person. Only for father or mother, for son or daughter, for brother or unmarried sister may they defile themselves. 26 After he is cleansed, they shall count seven days for him. 27 And on the day that he goes to the sanctuary to minister in the sanctuary, he must offer his sin offering in the inner court," says the Lord GOD. 28 "It shall be, in regard to their inheritance, that I am their inheritance. You shall give them no possession in Israel, for I am their possession. 29 They shall eat the grain offering, the sin offering, and the trespass offering; every dedicated thing in Israel shall be theirs. 30 The best of all firstfruits of any kind, and every sacrifice of any kind from all your sacrifices, shall be the priest's; also you shall give to the priest the first of your ground meal, to cause a blessing to rest on your house. 31 The priests shall not eat anything, bird or beast, that died naturally or was torn by wild beasts. Ezekiel 44:15-31

Based on the above...

Particular bloodlines of human beings will be the judges, instead of Christ. John 5:27-30


They will keep the Sabbaths, no matter what Paul said in Colossians 2:16-17.

They shall not go near a dead person, even though Christ raised the dead and Peter prayed for Tabitha and she was raised from the dead. Acts 9:40

In verse 27 above there is a sin offering, no matter what we find in Hebrews 10:16-18.

They are to keep a certain diet, no matter what Peter was told about clean and unclean foods in the Book of Acts.


Have you ripped the books of John, Acts, Galatians and Hebrews out of your Bible?

In Hebrews 8:13 we are told that the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete".

You are trying to revive the Old Covenant system by insisting that this passage will occur in the future and in doing so you have produced tremendous conflict that cannot be reconciled with a normal reading of New Testament scripture.


As for the claim that God can change the law anytime He wants, we should look at the verse below.
What is the "everlasting covenant"?


Heb 13:20  Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 


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Many falsely teach there will be a future millennial kingdom on this earth, where a Jewish priest will sacrifice animals in a temple in Jerusalem.

These same people use Isaiah 65 as a proof text of this millennial kingdom.

How do these people justify this teaching, when Isaiah 65:25 clearly teaches there will be no hurt or destruction in the kingdom seen?

Isaiah 65:25KJV
The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

How do these people justify animal sacrifice, in the kingdom seen in Isaiah 65?

Yes the kingdom seen is eternal, and there will be no animal sacrifice, for Jesus Christ was the perfect Lamb of God!

Jesus Christ Is Lord :)

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It’s not talking about animals. Those are illustrations of different nations living at peace with one another due to the influence of the invisible government of God, the Bible, the Gospel and believers.

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Ezekiel:

Well Israel, God instructed me to tell you guys about a temple I had a vision of, our captivity in Babylon will end in 45 years, we will return to Jerusalem and build a temple under Zerubbabel?

I forgot to tell you guy's that the temple in the vision is 2500+ plus years in the future?

Writer even you gotta smile at that one :)

Just try to demonstrate EVEN ONE DETAIL of this very long (nine full chapters) prophecy that has ever been fulfilled.
 
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Based on the above...

Particular bloodlines of human beings will be the judges, instead of Christ. John 5:27-30


They will keep the Sabbaths, no matter what Paul said in Colossians 2:16-17.

They shall not go near a dead person, even though Christ raised the dead and Peter prayed for Tabitha and she was raised from the dead. Acts 9:40

In verse 27 above there is a sin offering, no matter what we find in Hebrews 10:16-18.

They are to keep a certain diet, no matter what Peter was told about clean and unclean foods in the Book of Acts.


Have you ripped the books of John, Acts, Galatians and Hebrews out of your Bible?

In Hebrews 8:13 we are told that the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete".

You are trying to revive the Old Covenant system by insisting that this passage will occur in the future and in doing so you have produced tremendous conflict that cannot be reconciled with a normal reading of New Testament scripture.


As for the claim that God can change the law anytime He wants, we should look at the verse below.
What is the "everlasting covenant"?


Heb 13:20  Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 


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Take that argument up with the Holy Spirit who inspired these words, not with me. That is who you are arguing with.
 
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And do you think the "living waters" has anything at all to do with the New Jerusalem?

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John 7: 38He that believes on me, as the scripture has said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39(But this spoke he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Isaiah:60
1Arise, shine; for your light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen on you.

2For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise on you, and his glory shall be seen on you.

3And the Gentiles shall come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your rising.

4Lift up your eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to you: your sons shall come from far, and your daughters shall be nursed at your side.

5Then you shall see, and flow together, and your heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted to you, the forces of the Gentiles shall come to you........

14The sons also of them that afflicted you shall come bending to you; and all they that despised you shall bow themselves down at the soles of your feet; and they shall call you; The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel
 
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Take that argument up with the Holy Spirit who inspired these words, not with me. That is who you are arguing with.
Here are Jesus' last most recent comments about sacrifices and offerings:

Hebrews 10
4
For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5 Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says,
“Sacrifice and offering You have not desired,
But a body You have prepared for Me;
6 In whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have taken no pleasure.
7
“Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come
(In the scroll of the book it is written of Me)
To do Your will, O God.’”
8 After saying above, “Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have not desired, nor have You taken pleasure in them(which are offered according to the Law),
9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first in order to establish the second.
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By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Note verse 9 in particular; the replacement of the first -- Old Will and Testament sacrifices -- by the second -- New Will and Testament Sacrifice.

If God never desired or took pleasure in sacrifices and offerings -- and He didn't; and if He has replaced them by the once and final Sacrifice of His Son -- and He has; then there will never be a reappearance of the former under the Everlasting Covenant of the New Will and Testament written in no less than the Blood of that Sacrifice, the Divine Testator, the Son of God, the Lamb of God, our Savior, Jesus Christ.
 
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Here are Jesus' last most recent comments about sacrifices and offerings:

Hebrews 10
4
For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5 Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says,
“Sacrifice and offering You have not desired,
But a body You have prepared for Me;
6 In whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have taken no pleasure.
7
“Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come
(In the scroll of the book it is written of Me)
To do Your will, O God.’”
8 After saying above, “Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have not desired, nor have You taken pleasure in them(which are offered according to the Law),
9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first in order to establish the second.
10
By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Note verse 9 in particular; the replacement of the first -- Old Will and Testament sacrifices -- by the second -- New Will and Testament Sacrifice.

If God never desired or took pleasure in sacrifices and offerings -- and He didn't; and if He has replaced them by the once and final Sacrifice of His Son -- and He has; then there will never be a reappearance of the former under the Everlasting Covenant of the New Will and Testament written in no less than the Blood of that Sacrifice, the Divine Testator, the Son of God, the Lamb of God, our Savior, Jesus Christ.

This is just an argument against a purpose for the sacrifices, not an argument against the existence of the sacrifices. If you want to show where the sacrifices demonstrated in Zechariah are for sins, then you might have something, but at this point you are assuming a purpose without evidence. Nothing but a straw man argument.
 
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This is just an argument against a purpose for the sacrifices, not an argument against the existence of the sacrifices. If you want to show where the sacrifices demonstrated in Zechariah are for sins, then you might have something, but at this point you are assuming a purpose without evidence. Nothing but a straw man argument.
They no longer have any purpose, so why should they exist?

We're in Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 45
22 And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering.
 
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14The sons also of them that afflicted you shall come bending to you; and all they that despised you shall bow themselves down at the soles of your feet; and they shall call you; The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel


Heb 11:15  And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 
Heb 11:16  But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. 




Heb 12:22  But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 
Heb 12:23  To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
Heb 12:24  And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 


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Take that argument up with the Holy Spirit who inspired these words, not with me. That is who you are arguing with.

The Holy Spirit does not say one thing in the Old Testament and then say the opposite in the New Testament.

Therefore, it is you who are arguing with the Holy Spirit.

In Galatians chapter 3 Paul confirms the temporary nature of the Old Covenant in Galatians 3:16-29.
In verse 16 Paul says the promise made to Abraham was made to only to the one seed, who is Christ, instead of the many seeds.
Later in the passage Paul says the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed could come to whom the promise was made. Christ is that seed.


In Galatians chapter 4 Paul calls the Sinai Covenant "bondage" and compels the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage".
This is confirmed by the New Covenant passage from Hebrews 8:6-13, where we find the New Covenant making the Old Covenant "obsolete".


We find in Exodus 34:28 that the ten commandments are the Sinai Covenant and in Deuteronomy 5:1-3 we find that it was not given before Mount Sinai.

It is clearly stated in Hebrews 10:16-18 that there is now no more offering for sin. In Hebrews 13:20 we find the New Covenant to be "everlasting".
The Old Testament passage you are referencing clearly has sin offerings.


To claim that there will be future sin offerings after Christ's work on the cross of Calvary is an idea that cannot be reconciled with the New Testament authors.
It is one of those big red flags that proves the error of modern Dispensational Theology.


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Since you are now living in Florida, maybe you could spend some time sitting in Pastor Sam Adam's church.
Pastor Adams is an expert on how your doctrine compares to scripture.




www.IndependenceBaptist.com

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The Holy Spirit does not say one thing in the Old Testament and then say the opposite in the New Testament.
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You are entirely correct about this. And that is why I quote statements made by the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament to conclusively prove that your interpretations of the meanings of His statements in the New Testament cannot even possibly be correct.
 
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If God never desired or took pleasure in sacrifices and offerings -- and He didn't; and if He has replaced them by the once and final Sacrifice of His Son -- and He has; then there will never be a reappearance of the former under the Everlasting Covenant of the New Will and Testament written in no less than the Blood of that Sacrifice, the Divine Testator, the Son of God, the Lamb of God, our Savior, Jesus Christ.

Take that argument up with the Holy Spirit, who explicitly said, in the passage I quoted, that these will again be offered.

You are neglecting that the same God who has already chosen, several times over, to change the way He is to be worshiped, has the right to change this again in the future, as He has here explicitly said that He will.
 
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to conclusively prove that your interpretations of the meanings of His statements in the New Testament cannot even possibly be correct.

You claim the following is a future event, when a specific bloodline of people will do the following.

29 They shall eat the grain offering, the sin offering, and the trespass offering; every dedicated thing in Israel shall be theirs. 30 The best of all firstfruits of any kind, and every sacrifice of any kind from all your sacrifices, shall be the priest's; also you shall give to the priest the first of your ground meal, to cause a blessing to rest on your house. 31 The priests shall not eat anything, bird or beast, that died naturally or was torn by wild beasts. Ezekiel 44:15-31


The author of the Book of Hebrews said the following.

Heb 10:16  This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 
Heb 10:17  And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 
Heb 10:18  Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

One of you is wrong.

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They no longer have any purpose, so why should they exist?

We're in Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 45
22 And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering.

I'm referring to the sacrifices mentioned in Zechariah, but it does seem odd that you declare they shouldn't exist by citing a passage where they do exist and also gives a purpose contrary to your claim. Did you intend to shoot down your own argument, or are you just deflecting?
 
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I'm referring to the sacrifices mentioned in Zechariah, but it does seem odd that you declare they shouldn't exist by citing a passage where they do exist and also gives a purpose contrary to your claim. Did you intend to shoot down your own argument, or are you just deflecting?
He was answering me.
 
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You claim the following is a future event, when a specific bloodline of people will do the following.

29 They shall eat the grain offering, the sin offering, and the trespass offering; every dedicated thing in Israel shall be theirs. 30 The best of all firstfruits of any kind, and every sacrifice of any kind from all your sacrifices, shall be the priest's; also you shall give to the priest the first of your ground meal, to cause a blessing to rest on your house. 31 The priests shall not eat anything, bird or beast, that died naturally or was torn by wild beasts. Ezekiel 44:15-31


The author of the Book of Hebrews said the following.

Heb 10:16  This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 
Heb 10:17  And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 
Heb 10:18  Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

One of you is wrong.

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In the book of Hebrews, the Holy Spirit is speaking of the present Dispensation. In the book of Ezekiel, the same Holy Spirit was speaking of a future one. But when you chose to ignore the changes God has made in the past, in the methods He has specified for worship, you render yourself unable to understand the changes He has already declared that He will make in the future.
 
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Heb 11:15  And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 
Heb 11:16  But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. 




Heb 12:22  But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 
Heb 12:23  To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
Heb 12:24  And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 


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Yet here we have three chapters of worth of specifically earthly promises regarding the New Jerusalem. Promises that pertain to this life and not the next. Promises that are coming to pass rather than promises that are off in a world and age in the imagination of unspiritual people. Goods news about the government of God and the age of promise we now live in.

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Yet here we have three chapters of worth of specifically earthly promises regarding the New Jerusalem. Promises that pertain to this life and not the next. Promises that are coming to pass rather than promises that are off in a world and age in the imagination of unspiritual people. Goods news about the government of God and the age of promise we now live in.

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Simply believing what God explicitly said is not "the imagination of unspiritual people."
 
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