Noah's Flood Was Definitely Local, Why?

Joshua... just let it go, you can’t argue with this kind of rational. I have know idea how Aman777 could have come to any of these conclusions using any version of the Bible.

Aman777 I have no quarrel with you and don’t agree with any of your conclusions, as they are way beyond rational or logical. Please don’t try and explain any of this any further. I respect that this is your opinion but it has no place in this thread.

As I have stated many times, you cannot make illogical logical.

Warm regards, GBTG

Aman777 said:

ONLY Adam's descendants are Human.

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Genesis 2: 7 then the Lord God formed the man of bdust from the ground and cbreathed into his dnostrils the breath of life, and ethe man became a living creature.

Adam had the breath of life. We do not see this in Genesis chapter one. There is a lot that Adam and Eve were the first of 6,000 year ago. Before Adam and Eve we had male and female. I believe they were the first husband and wife, the first man and women.

joshua 1 9 said:

Genesis 2: 7 then the Lord God formed the man of bdust from the ground and cbreathed into his dnostrils the breath of life, and ethe man became a living creature.

Adam had the breath of life. We do not see this in Genesis chapter one.

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That is because Genesis One is the complete History of God's 6 Days/Ages of creation...including events which are future to our time. Details are found in the rest of the Bible which ALWAYS refer back to one of the 6 Days/Ages outlined in Genesis chapter one.

Adam's formation from the dust of the ground is detailed in Genesis 2 and shows that he was made BEFORE plants, herbs and trees were made, on the 3rd Day, by Lord God/Jesus. Gen 2:4-9 Adam's "creation" by God the Trinity is detailed in Genesis 5:1-2 and adds details to the outline of his creation on the present 6th Day as shown in Genesis 1:27.

*** There is a lot that Adam and Eve were the first of 6,000 year ago. Before Adam and Eve we had male and female. I believe they were the first husband and wife, the first man and women.

Not so, since Adam was formed to be immortal like his maker, Jesus. That is WHY some preachers refer to Jesus as our older brother. Humans (descendants of Adam) are the children of God, who must first be tested, before receiving our perfect bodies which are immortal, at the Rapture. We are NOT and never have been Apes since we are destined to have rule over them when Jesus returns. Gen 1:28 The ToE is the biggest satanic Lie ever told.

Aman777 said:

Details are found in the rest of the Bible which ALWAYS refer back to one of the 6 Days/Ages outlined in Genesis chapter one.

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Is there any connection between the days of Genesis and the churches that John talks about in Rev?

GBTG said:

I have know idea how Aman777 could have come to any of these conclusions using any version of the Bible.

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People can come up with any sort of hypothesis they want to. The question is what can the substantiate.

Aman777 said:

Adam's formation from the dust of the ground is detailed in Genesis 2 and shows that he was made BEFORE plants, herbs and trees were made, on the 3rd Day

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Then what did man eat?

Well, I can either believe you and any other finite minded man from any discipline....

Or...

I can believe my creator, who said:

Genesis 7:19King James Version (KJV)

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Looks like God is telling us that everything under the whole heaven were covered.....

AND I will support that claim with:


Romans 3:4King James Version (KJV)

4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

other countries had thier own boats and saved others

tulipbee said:

other countries had thier own boats and saved others

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Really? Can you give any scripture?

JacksBratt said:

Really? Can you give any scripture?

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no

random person said:

Eber named his son Peleg for the division of the earth that occurred before Peleg was born during Eber's lifetime.

See Genesis 10:25

Now lets do the math according to Genesis 11:10-19

The Flood is Year Zero.

+2 Arphaxad is born
+35 Salah is born
+30 Eber is born
+34 Peleg is born (in whom was named for the division of the earth a la tower of Babel)

What does that add up to... 111 years. The tower of Babel occurred 111 years after the Flood.

It had to be a local flood!

Abraham was born approximately 292 years after the Flood.

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No contraception, a divine mandate to fill the earth, lots of empty space and given the life spans of the time an almost zero death rate. If each woman of reproductive age was having a baby a year you would be talking millions of people after just a hundred years. But how many would you need to build a tower. Could have been hundreds or thousands. The bible does not say how tall the tower got. It was the aspiration and self reliance that were the issues here.

joshua 1 9 said:

Is there any connection between the days of Genesis and the churches that John talks about in Rev?

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Sure. Revelation speaks of the past, present and future of God's Creation. Rev 1:19 New Jerusalem in Rev 21 speaks of the 7th Day where all Christians will go when our Universe is burned. Rev 21:2 Churches are the ekklēsia or the assembly of believers in Jesus Christ.

joshua 1 9 said:

Then what did man eat?

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Man (Adam) was first made in the likeness of Lord God/Jesus with a Shekinah Glory or brightness which totally surrounded him. When Adam sinned, he lost his Glory like God and was found in the likeness of sinful flesh. Gen 3:7 In Heaven, we can eat or NOT, since we will be in our immortal bodies, like Adam had before he sinned.

JacksBratt said:

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

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Amen. Adam's firmament sank in Lake Van, Turkey, 11,000 years ago and his entire Earth was "clean dissolved" Isa 24:19 and today is part of the largest Lake in Turkey. What is interesting is that Lake Van is in the mountains of Ararat and Adam's firmament is STILL at the bottom of the Lake. Amen?

Aman777 said:

Amen. Adam's firmament sank in Lake Van, Turkey, 11,000 years ago and his entire Earth was "clean dissolved" Isa 24:19 and today is part of the largest Lake in Turkey. What is interesting is that Lake Van is in the mountains of Ararat and Adam's firmament is STILL at the bottom of the Lake. Amen?

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There was something going on there 11,000 years ago. This is where they find the first goddess, so perhaps this is where feminism was born.

"Turkey interestingly enough is home to both wild wheat and the first cultivated wheat 11,000 years ago originating from the Karacadag mountains in southeast Turkey, not too far from several archeological sites in Turkey with wheat, Cafer Hoyuk around 9600 to 8,200 years ago, Cayonu around 9,500 to 8,700 years ago, and Nevali Cori around 9,200 years ago."

12,400 – 11,700 Years Ago – Kortik Tepe (Turkey) Pre/early-Agriculture Cultic Ritualism | Damien Marie AtHope

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Aman777 said:

Man (Adam) was first made in the likeness of Lord God/Jesus with a Shekinah Glory or brightness which totally surrounded him.

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Kenneth Hagin was the one that talked about Shekinah Glory.

Aman777 said:

Sure. Revelation speaks of the past, present and future of God's Creation. Rev 1:19 New Jerusalem in Rev 21 speaks of the 7th Day where all Christians will go when our Universe is burned. Rev 21:2 Churches are the ekklēsia or the assembly of believers in Jesus Christ.

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The New Jerusalem will be 1500 by 1500 miles. The size of the Arab continental plate. When Jesus returns and His feet touch the ground, the east will be separated from the west and the north from the south. (Mount of Olives) This is the land that God gave to the descendants of Abraham. As believers we are adopted into the Family of God.

joshua 1 9 said:

There was something going on there 11,000 years ago. This is where they find the first goddess, so perhaps this is where feminism was born.

"Turkey interestingly enough is home to both wild wheat and the first cultivated wheat 11,000 years ago originating from the Karacadag mountains in southeast Turkey, not too far from several archeological sites in Turkey with wheat, Cafer Hoyuk around 9600 to 8,200 years ago, Cayonu around 9,500 to 8,700 years ago, and Nevali Cori around 9,200 years ago."

12,400 – 11,700 Years Ago – Kortik Tepe (Turkey) Pre/early-Agriculture Cultic Ritualism | Damien Marie AtHope

11,000-year-old site of Asikli Hoyuk in Turkey reveals early brain surgery and ancient craftsmanship

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Amen. History records the FIRST Human farming on this Planet began in the Feritle Crescent which is just SW of Lake Van, Turkey. Noah walked from the 5000 ft high Lake into the Valleys of Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human Civilization on this Earth. Evols don't believe and IGNORE their own History in order to prop up their Evol Religion. History proves that we did NOT evolve from the Apes.

joshua 1 9 said:

Kenneth Hagin was the one that talked about Shekinah Glory.

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Amen and Ezekiel did too.

Eze 1:27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. Eze 1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

Aman777 said:

FIRST Human farming on this Planet began in the Fertile Crescent

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The term "Fertile Crescent" was coined by James Breasted back in 1916. We used his book when I took an ancient history class in high school back in the 60's. The teacher said if we ever find a better book on the subject get back to him to let him know. Our teacher lived to be 100 and he was still reading and doing a study up to the end of his life. The area you are talking about they began to do the archeology work in 1986. About 20 years after I began my study of the fertile crescent. According to Bruce Feiler this is the Journey that Abraham walked. (Walking the Bible) Abraham walked the land to claim the land for his descendants. He had a lot of faith.

Deut 11:24 "Every place where you set your foot will be yours: Your territory will extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the Euphrates River to the Mediterranean Sea."

Joshua 1:3 "I will give you every place where you set your foot, as I promised Moses."