Testing Ellen G.White as a messenger of God and prophet.

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From what we read in scripture God's remnant must possess the spirit of prophecy in order to qualify as the remnant and we need to understand the issues involved. There is nothing more dangerous to Satan, than the clear revelation of the will of God so that the people are given an understanding of the end times and how Satan will try to fool them. It is therefore important that we understand the Biblical criteria for the manifestation of the gift of prophecy and see if Ellen G.White passes the test as a messenger of God and prophet and is in harmony with Gods word. Did she exalt the Word of God and the Law of God? Lets take a look:




"...The Word of God - The Bible - She wrote:
The Holy Scriptures are to be accepted as an authoritative, infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the revealer of doctrines, and the test of experience. Great Controversy, p. 7
Her writings, which collectively are referred to as the Spirit of Prophecy, were never intended to give new light, but were always intended to illuminate the greater light, the Scriptures. She wrote:​
Little heed is given to the Bible and the Lord has given a lesser light to lead men and women to the greater light. Colporteur Ministry, p. 125
The written testimonies are not to give new light, but to impress vividly upon the heart the truths of inspiration already revealed. Man's duty to God and to his fellow man has been distinctly specified in God's word; yet but few of you are obedient to the light given. Additional truth is not brought out; but God has through the Testimonies simplified the great truths already given and in His own chosen way brought them before the people to awaken, and impress the mind with them, that all may be left without excuse...The Testimonies are not to belittle the word of God, but to exalt it and attract minds to it, that the beautiful simplicity of truth may impress all. Testimonies, Vol. 2, pp. 605,606

To those who criticized the word of God, she wrote:
Cling to your Bible as it reads and stop your criticism in regard to its validity and obey the word, and not one of you will be lost. Selected Messages, Vol. 1, p. 18

The Bible was to be the only creed:
The Bible and the Bible alone is to be our creed, the role bond of union... God�s word is infallible... lift up the banner on which is inscribed the Bible, our rule of faith and discipline. Selected Messages Vol. 1, p. 416, 1885; Early Writings, p. 78

Just as the great Reformers, Ellen G. White lifted up the Bible banner against false doctrines and practices, she wrote:
As darkness thickens and error increases, we should obtain a more thorough knowledge of the truth, and be prepared to maintain from the Scriptures the truth of our position. Review & Herald, August 11, 1853, p. 53

We must stand barricaded by the truths of the Bible. The canopy of truth is the only canopy under which we can stand safely. MM 88, 1904

Her position regarding the Word of God is the same as that held by Protestants since the beginning. Protestants have always rejected the claim of Roman Catholicism that tradition as well as Scriptures should dictate beliefs. The Westminster Confession underscores this point:
The Supreme Judge, by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Spirit speaking in the Scriptures. Yet notwithstanding our full persuasion and assurance of infallible truth, and divine authority thereof, is from the inward work of the Holy Spirit, bearing witness by and with the Word in our hearts. Westminster Confession, chapter 1, part 10,5

Ellen G. White clearly recognizes the role of the Holy Spirit in the interpretation of Scripture as outlined in the Westminster Confession. She wrote:
We can attain to an understanding of God�s word only through the illumination of that Spirit by which the word was given. 5 Testimonies, p. 703

The fact that God has revealed His will to men through His word, has not rendered needless the continued presence and guiding of the Holy Spirit. On the contrary, the Spirit was promised by our Saviour, to open the Word to His servants, to illuminate and apply its teachings. Great Controversy, p. viii

Wonderful illuminations will not be given aside from the Word, or to take the place of it. Selected Messages Vol. 2, p. 48

The Law of God:
Ellen White repeatedly pointed to the binding claims of God's law. Joseph Bates, an Adventist pioneer had introduced the Sabbath of the fourth commandment to her and although she was first skeptical, she and her husband studied the Scriptures and were confirmed in the view that the Sabbath was as binding as the other nine commandments. One Sabbath, April 3, 1847, Ellen White was given a vision confirming the binding claims of the Ten Commandments and the Sabbath. Concerning the Law of God, she writes:
But it is ever the purpose of Satan to make void the law of God and to pervert the true meaning of the plan of salvation. Therefore, he has originated the falsehood that the sacrifice of Christ on Calvary's cross was for the purpose of freeing men from the obligation of keeping the commandments of God. He has foisted upon the world the deception that God has abolished His constitution, thrown away His moral standard, and made void His holy and perfect law. Had He done this, at what terrible expense would it have been to Heaven! Instead of proclaiming the abolition of the law, Calvary's cross proclaims in thunder tones its immutable and eternal character. Early Writings, p. 118

Likewise she stated that it was the duty of God's children to enlighten others regarding the prophecies and the law of God:
Then present to them the prophecies; show them the purity and binding claims of the law of God. Not one jot or title of this law is to lose its force, but hold its binding claims upon every soul to the end of time. 15 MR, p. 351

The writings of Ellen White are based on the twin pillars of faith in the merits of Jesus Christ and obedience to His righteous law. Jesus said "If ye love me keep my commandments" (John 14:15) and in her writings the relationship between law and grace is clearly expounded. Never does she present a legalistic view of the law of God and never does she belittle its claims. Never does she claim that the law has saving merits. We are saved by grace and grace alone, but a consequence of being saved is that through the merits of Jesus Christ one is once more brought into a right relationship with God, which includes obedience to His law. She writes:
Cannot men see that to belittle the law of God is to dishonor Christ? Why did He come to this world to suffer and die, if the law is not binding upon human beings? Who could speak more plainly than He did regarding the immutability of the law? He came to bring light and immortality to light by exalting the law, and making it honorable. Where can be found those who preach the binding claims of God's law more plainly and decidedly than did Christ when He was upon the earth? ST 01-25-05

In presenting the binding claims of the law, many have failed to portray the infinite love of Christ. Those who have so great truths, so weighty reforms to present to the people, have not had a realization of the value of the atoning Sacrifice as an expression of God�s great love to man. Love for Jesus, and Jesus� love for sinners, have been dropped out of the religious experience of those who have been commissioned to preach the gospel, and self has been exalted instead of the Redeemer of mankind. The law is to be presented to its transgressors, not as something apart from God, but rather as an exponent of His mind and character. As the sunlight cannot be separated from the sun, so God's law cannot be rightly presented to man apart from the divine Author. The messenger should be able to say, "In the law is God's will;" come, see for yourselves that the law is what Paul declared it to be "holy, and just, and good." It reproves sin, it condemns the sinner, but it shows him his need of Christ, with whom is plenteous mercy and goodness and truth. Though the law cannot remit the penalty for sin, but charges the sinner with all his debt, Christ has promised abundant pardon to all who repent, and believe in His mercy. The love of God is extended in abundance to the repenting, believing soul. The brand of sin upon the soul can be effaced only through the blood of the atoning Sacrifice. No less an offering was required than the sacrifice of Him who was equal with the Father. The work of Christ - His life, humiliation, death, and intercession for lost man - magnifies the law, and makes it honorable. Selected Messages Vol 1, p. 371

It is impossible for man in his own unaided strength to overcome the natural propensities to evil. There is no saving quality in the law, to save the transgressor of the law, and yet no man who has had light as to the binding claims of the law will be excused from obedience by the great Lawgiver because it is inconvenient to keep God's commandments, because it would injure man's popularity, or hurt his worldly interests. In the judgment, the law will be seen to be the test of character. It is the settled purpose of Satan to deceive men today as he deceived Eve in Eden, and lead them to disregard the command of God, and accept something beside God, something independent of God, something in opposition to God. ST, 04-04-95

The Sabbath of the fourth commandment forms an integral part of the law of God and is as binding today as it was when God blessed and hallowed it after His work of creating the world. To change the Sabbath is to deny the binding claim of God's law and would disqualify a prophet claiming such a change.
This is the work that we are called upon to do. From the pulpits of the popular churches it is proclaimed that the first day of the week is the Sabbath of the Lord; but God has given us light, showing us that the fourth precept of the Decalogue is as verily binding as are the other nine moral precepts. It is our work to make plain to our children that the first day of the week is not the true Sabbath, and that its observance after light has come to us as to what is the true Sabbath, is idolatry, and in plain contradiction to the law of God. EE, pp. 287,288..." Excerpts from God's Guiding Gift by Professor Walter J. Veith Phd.

Ellen White fulfilled these requirements of the of Biblical test of authenticity. She exalted the Word and the Law of God. So we will look at other tests given in scripture and see how Ellen White stands up against them as I have time to look at her writings, sermons on it, and search through and study it deeper.
 

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From what we read in scripture God's remnant must possess the spirit of prophecy in order to qualify as the remnant and we need to understand the issues involved. There is nothing more dangerous to Satan, than the clear revelation of the will of God so that the people are given an understanding of the end times and how Satan will try to fool them. It is therefore important that we understand the Biblical criteria for the manifestation of the gift of prophecy and see if Ellen G.White passes the test as a messenger of God and prophet and is in harmony with Gods word. Did she exalt the Word of God and the Law of God? Lets take a look:



"...The Word of God - The Bible - She wrote:
The Holy Scriptures are to be accepted as an authoritative, infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the revealer of doctrines, and the test of experience. Great Controversy, p. 7
Her writings, which collectively are referred to as the Spirit of Prophecy, were never intended to give new light, but were always intended to illuminate the greater light, the Scriptures. She wrote:​
Little heed is given to the Bible and the Lord has given a lesser light to lead men and women to the greater light. Colporteur Ministry, p. 125
The written testimonies are not to give new light, but to impress vividly upon the heart the truths of inspiration already revealed. Man's duty to God and to his fellow man has been distinctly specified in God's word; yet but few of you are obedient to the light given. Additional truth is not brought out; but God has through the Testimonies simplified the great truths already given and in His own chosen way brought them before the people to awaken, and impress the mind with them, that all may be left without excuse...The Testimonies are not to belittle the word of God, but to exalt it and attract minds to it, that the beautiful simplicity of truth may impress all. Testimonies, Vol. 2, pp. 605,606

To those who criticized the word of God, she wrote:
Cling to your Bible as it reads and stop your criticism in regard to its validity and obey the word, and not one of you will be lost. Selected Messages, Vol. 1, p. 18

The Bible was to be the only creed:
The Bible and the Bible alone is to be our creed, the role bond of union... God�s word is infallible... lift up the banner on which is inscribed the Bible, our rule of faith and discipline. Selected Messages Vol. 1, p. 416, 1885; Early Writings, p. 78

Just as the great Reformers, Ellen G. White lifted up the Bible banner against false doctrines and practices, she wrote:
As darkness thickens and error increases, we should obtain a more thorough knowledge of the truth, and be prepared to maintain from the Scriptures the truth of our position. Review & Herald, August 11, 1853, p. 53

We must stand barricaded by the truths of the Bible. The canopy of truth is the only canopy under which we can stand safely. MM 88, 1904

Her position regarding the Word of God is the same as that held by Protestants since the beginning. Protestants have always rejected the claim of Roman Catholicism that tradition as well as Scriptures should dictate beliefs. The Westminster Confession underscores this point:
The Supreme Judge, by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Spirit speaking in the Scriptures. Yet notwithstanding our full persuasion and assurance of infallible truth, and divine authority thereof, is from the inward work of the Holy Spirit, bearing witness by and with the Word in our hearts. Westminster Confession, chapter 1, part 10,5

Ellen G. White clearly recognizes the role of the Holy Spirit in the interpretation of Scripture as outlined in the Westminster Confession. She wrote:
We can attain to an understanding of God�s word only through the illumination of that Spirit by which the word was given. 5 Testimonies, p. 703

The fact that God has revealed His will to men through His word, has not rendered needless the continued presence and guiding of the Holy Spirit. On the contrary, the Spirit was promised by our Saviour, to open the Word to His servants, to illuminate and apply its teachings. Great Controversy, p. viii

Wonderful illuminations will not be given aside from the Word, or to take the place of it. Selected Messages Vol. 2, p. 48

The Law of God:
Ellen White repeatedly pointed to the binding claims of God's law. Joseph Bates, an Adventist pioneer had introduced the Sabbath of the fourth commandment to her and although she was first skeptical, she and her husband studied the Scriptures and were confirmed in the view that the Sabbath was as binding as the other nine commandments. One Sabbath, April 3, 1847, Ellen White was given a vision confirming the binding claims of the Ten Commandments and the Sabbath. Concerning the Law of God, she writes:
But it is ever the purpose of Satan to make void the law of God and to pervert the true meaning of the plan of salvation. Therefore, he has originated the falsehood that the sacrifice of Christ on Calvary's cross was for the purpose of freeing men from the obligation of keeping the commandments of God. He has foisted upon the world the deception that God has abolished His constitution, thrown away His moral standard, and made void His holy and perfect law. Had He done this, at what terrible expense would it have been to Heaven! Instead of proclaiming the abolition of the law, Calvary's cross proclaims in thunder tones its immutable and eternal character. Early Writings, p. 118

Likewise she stated that it was the duty of God's children to enlighten others regarding the prophecies and the law of God:
Then present to them the prophecies; show them the purity and binding claims of the law of God. Not one jot or title of this law is to lose its force, but hold its binding claims upon every soul to the end of time. 15 MR, p. 351

The writings of Ellen White are based on the twin pillars of faith in the merits of Jesus Christ and obedience to His righteous law. Jesus said "If ye love me keep my commandments" (John 14:15) and in her writings the relationship between law and grace is clearly expounded. Never does she present a legalistic view of the law of God and never does she belittle its claims. Never does she claim that the law has saving merits. We are saved by grace and grace alone, but a consequence of being saved is that through the merits of Jesus Christ one is once more brought into a right relationship with God, which includes obedience to His law. She writes:
Cannot men see that to belittle the law of God is to dishonor Christ? Why did He come to this world to suffer and die, if the law is not binding upon human beings? Who could speak more plainly than He did regarding the immutability of the law? He came to bring light and immortality to light by exalting the law, and making it honorable. Where can be found those who preach the binding claims of God's law more plainly and decidedly than did Christ when He was upon the earth? ST 01-25-05

In presenting the binding claims of the law, many have failed to portray the infinite love of Christ. Those who have so great truths, so weighty reforms to present to the people, have not had a realization of the value of the atoning Sacrifice as an expression of God�s great love to man. Love for Jesus, and Jesus� love for sinners, have been dropped out of the religious experience of those who have been commissioned to preach the gospel, and self has been exalted instead of the Redeemer of mankind. The law is to be presented to its transgressors, not as something apart from God, but rather as an exponent of His mind and character. As the sunlight cannot be separated from the sun, so God's law cannot be rightly presented to man apart from the divine Author. The messenger should be able to say, "In the law is God's will;" come, see for yourselves that the law is what Paul declared it to be "holy, and just, and good." It reproves sin, it condemns the sinner, but it shows him his need of Christ, with whom is plenteous mercy and goodness and truth. Though the law cannot remit the penalty for sin, but charges the sinner with all his debt, Christ has promised abundant pardon to all who repent, and believe in His mercy. The love of God is extended in abundance to the repenting, believing soul. The brand of sin upon the soul can be effaced only through the blood of the atoning Sacrifice. No less an offering was required than the sacrifice of Him who was equal with the Father. The work of Christ - His life, humiliation, death, and intercession for lost man - magnifies the law, and makes it honorable. Selected Messages Vol 1, p. 371

It is impossible for man in his own unaided strength to overcome the natural propensities to evil. There is no saving quality in the law, to save the transgressor of the law, and yet no man who has had light as to the binding claims of the law will be excused from obedience by the great Lawgiver because it is inconvenient to keep God's commandments, because it would injure man's popularity, or hurt his worldly interests. In the judgment, the law will be seen to be the test of character. It is the settled purpose of Satan to deceive men today as he deceived Eve in Eden, and lead them to disregard the command of God, and accept something beside God, something independent of God, something in opposition to God. ST, 04-04-95

The Sabbath of the fourth commandment forms an integral part of the law of God and is as binding today as it was when God blessed and hallowed it after His work of creating the world. To change the Sabbath is to deny the binding claim of God's law and would disqualify a prophet claiming such a change.
This is the work that we are called upon to do. From the pulpits of the popular churches it is proclaimed that the first day of the week is the Sabbath of the Lord; but God has given us light, showing us that the fourth precept of the Decalogue is as verily binding as are the other nine moral precepts. It is our work to make plain to our children that the first day of the week is not the true Sabbath, and that its observance after light has come to us as to what is the true Sabbath, is idolatry, and in plain contradiction to the law of God. EE, pp. 287,288..." Excerpts from God's Guiding Gift by Professor Walter J. Veith Phd.

Ellen White fulfilled these requirements of the of Biblical test of authenticity. She exalted the Word and the Law of God. So we will look at other tests given in scripture and see how Ellen White stands up against them as I have time to look at her writings, sermons on it, and search through and study it deeper.

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Prophet -one who has a vocation from God - A prophet may speak of past, present or future events. To prophesy can also mean to utter inspired words. A prophet must be in harmony with the Gods law and Gods word and also able to stand the test:
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1 NKJV

The Bible lists a series of tests that can be applied to prophets to determine whether they are genuine or not. Taken individually, it is possible to counterfeit many of these tests, but collectively, they provide an impassable barrier to false prophets. False prophets can quote Scripture or have some of their prophecies come true, but they can still be false prophets, subtly using every opportunity to lead God's people astray. A prophet of God will have to satisfy all the Biblical criteria, which can be summarized as follows as Professor Walter J. Veith Phd. shows as he goes over the tests:

...1) A true prophet's message will be in complete harmony with the word of God and the law of God.
To the law and to the testimony! If they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:20

Most of these TV faith healing evangalist who give prophecies would fail just on this test. A prophet cannot negate what God has revealed in His word, and all the precepts of the law are binding.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10
When the law is not observed, the gift of prophecy is withdrawn:
...the law is no more, her prophets also find no vision from the Lord. Lamentations 2:9

Ellen G. White certainly was in harmony with God's word, His Law as well as purpose and will.

2) A true prophet's predictions must come to pass.
As for the prophet who prophesies of peace, when the word of the prophet comes to pass, the prophet will be known as one whom the Lord has truly sent. Jeremiah 28:9 NKJV
...when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. Deuteronomy 18:22 NKJV

This is were it gets contentious, some prophecies are conditional or to turn the people from sin and to God such as Jonah's prphecy on Ninevah, or some prophet's predictions may come true (even Satan can guess when some history will repeat itself), and he/she may even perform 'signs' or 'miracles' to convince you of the genuineness of the prophecy - yet it may be false. Oral Roberts comes to mind.....:
If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying " Let us go after other gods" - which you have not known - "and let us serve them," you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him. Deuteronomy 13:1-4 NKJV

Signs and wonders are no test of genuineness.The prophet's words have to be in harmony with God's word and the Law of God. Satan will work miracles in the last days to deceive many so we must constantly test using God's litmus test he has given us. Ellen White's prophecies are showing to be truer with each passing day and she certainly remained in harmony and passes God's litmus test so their is ample evidence on this test.

3) A true prophet prophesies to edify the church, counseling and advising in religious matters.
But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification and exhortation, and comfort, ... but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. 1 Corinthians 14:3,4
But I am the Lord your God, ever since the land of Egypt; I will again make you dwell in tents, as in the days of the appointed feast. I have also spoken by the prophets, and have multiplied visions; I have given symbols through the witness of the prophets. Hosea 12:9,10 NKJV

A true prophet will not lead people into iniquity or condone sin and gives counsel to lead people to God and his word. Ellen White certainly was a moral church leader, giving spiritual guidance and counsel in harmony with Gods word and will.

4) A true prophet will exalt Christ as the Son of God and the Saviour of mankind.
No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.... Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 1 John 4:12,15 NKJV
When Jesus, after His resurrection, expounded the Scriptures to His disciples, He revealed to them the prophetic proclamations regarding Himself.
And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded unto them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself. Luke 24:27

Many false prophets will arise and claim to be from God, and speak about Jesus and still be false. So this is one that calls for a discerning spirit, of whether they are truly love and exalt Jesus Christ or just give lip service and will one of the one's who say to Jesus in the last judgment:
"Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?" Matthew 7:22
The Lord will, however, not recognize them as His, as they practiced iniquity (Greek: anomia - against the law of God). They seem to pass the test, but fail in regard to the Law.

Ellen G. White certainly cannot be said to practiced iniquity and her life was scrutinized extensively, more so today to find any faults.

5) The true prophet will speak with authority:
...for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes. Matthew 7:29
Jesus is the supreme example, and He spoke those things which He had seen and heard from the Father (John 8:26,28,38). A prophet will likewise reveal those things with authority that have been revealed to him by God.

Ellen White passes this and her writings continue to speak with authority even today.


6) The true prophet will bear good fruit.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Matthew 7:20
This test is compelling. Does the prophet live a life in harmony with the will of God and are the lives of those he/she touches transformed so that they too live godly lives?
Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain; and it did not rain on the land for three years and six months. James 5:17 NKJV
Although Elijah had similar faults and passions as we have, yet he strove to live a godly life and the fruits of his labor testify that he was truly a prophet of God.


Did Ellen G. Whites pioneering effort bear fruit, did her writings trqansform others and lead them to God's word and to live a Godly life, I would say so.

7)The true prophet, when in vision, will exhibit physical signs:

a) In vision, the prophet's eyes will be open.
The utterance of him who hears the words of God, who sees the vision of the Almighty, who falls down, with eyes wide open. Numbers 24:4 NKJV

Two pointers are here of significance: firstly, the prophet falls to the ground and secondly, his/her eyes are wide open. The New King James Version renders the translation from the original text very precisely, and for this reason it is quoted above. Most modern Bible translations do not bring these points to light clearly. The NIV, for example, translates the text as follows:
the oracle of one who hears the words of God, who sees a vision from the Almighty, who falls prostrate, and whose eyes are opened. Numbers 24:4 NIV
In this translation, the issue of the wide open eyes is lost, and can be interpreted in a spiritual rather than in a literal sense.

In Daniel 10, the physical state of the prophet Daniel, whilst in vision, is described.
And I, Daniel, alone saw the vision, for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves. Therefore I was left alone and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me; for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength. Yet heard I the voice of his words; and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face to the ground. Daniel 10:7-9

Daniel had "no strength", and he must have fallen to the ground as he lay with his face to the ground. The prophet does not, however, remain in this helpless state on the ground, but he is lifted up by God, and whilst still in vision, stands up on his feet.
And behold an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands. And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright, for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling. Daniel 10: 10,11

b) In vision, the prophet will have no breath in him, and no strength of his/her own.
And suddenly one having the likeness of the sons of men touched my lips; then I opened my mouth and spoke, saying to him who stood before me, My Lord, because of the vision, my sorrows have overwhelmed me, and I have retained no strength. For how can this servant of my Lord talk with you my Lord? As for me, no strength remains in me now, nor is any breath left in me. Daniel 10:16,17 NKJV

Note that Daniel has no strength because of the vision. He is touched by God and speaks although there is no breath in him. Again, new translations of the Bible obscure these vital texts by means of interpretive rather than literal translations. The NIV renders verse 17 as follows:
How can I, your servant, talk with you, my lord? My strength is gone and I can hardly breathe. Daniel 10:17 NIV

"I can hardly breathe" does not convey the same message as "nor is any breath left in me"; or as the KJV puts it: "neither is there breath left in me". Daniel is given strength by God.
Then again, the one having the likeness of a man touched me and strengthened me. Daniel 10:18 NKJV

No mention is made of the restoration of breathing whilst in vision. The prophet is sustained by God whilst in vision......

The light given to Ellen White helped her lead the Adventist movement forward out of the 1844 disapointment and gave it counsel, direction, and correction as many voices and ideas threathened to derail the movement or head it into extreme views or doctrines.The visions given to Ellen White were intended to lead the church into a greater understanding of the word of God, and to correct wrong paths that were from time to time taken by God's people. Before the first advent of Christ, God gave the gift of prophecy to John the Baptist to prepare the way for His coming. In a similar way, the prophetic gift will be restored to prepare the way before the Second Coming or Advent.
 
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Before the first advent of Christ, God gave the gift of prophecy to John the Baptist to prepare the way for His coming. In a similar way, the prophetic gift will be restored to prepare the way before the Second Coming or Advent.

So she must not have been the prophetic one you desire as she has been dead for nearly 100 years. If it is to be like John the Baptist he was alive and active for the appearence of Christ. (not that there is actually any indication that a second John the Baptist is to appear to hearld the second coming, but just for the sake of your argument let's assume your statement is true)
 
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Before the first advent of Christ, God gave the gift of prophecy to John the Baptist to prepare the way for His coming. In a similar way, the prophetic gift will be restored to prepare the way before the Second Coming or Advent.
So she must not have been the prophetic one you desire as she has been dead for nearly 100 years.

1) There is nothing in the clipped portion that would indicate that reddogs said EGW was the one he "desired."
2) You have assumed that she will be the only one to whom the prophetic gift will be given. Peter noted that Joel's prophecy covered "sons and daughters". Note the plural and of both sexes.
 
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So she must not have been the prophetic one you desire as she has been dead for nearly 100 years. If it is to be like John the Baptist he was alive and active for the appearence of Christ. (not that there is actually any indication that a second John the Baptist is to appear to hearld the second coming, but just for the sake of your argument let's assume your statement is true)

Dont worry about it DJ, I'll answer it....The message and writings of the Spirit of Prophecy are still preparing the way for the second coming, the testimony of Jesus does not die with the messenger, and the Holy Spirit will also be poured out on the young men and young women so there are mighty spiritual days ahead.........and eternal destruction for those who fight to the end against what is from God.....
 
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The Gift of Prophecy in the Time of the End:
"....One of the identifying features of the remnant of God is the spirit of prophecy.
And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12:17 NKJV
The remnant keeps the commandments of God and the Law is therefore restored in its fullness. As prophets of God need to live and speak in harmony with God's law, the true gift of prophecy can only be made manifest if the law forms an integral part of the theology of the prophet. The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." Revelation 19:10 NKJV
The Scriptures teach that those awaiting the coming of the Lord will come behind in no gift, and Christ warns against false prophets in the last days who would tend to mislead God's people. As we are also admonished to test the spirits and to hold on to what is good, it is vital that we apply the criteria provided to test the prophets in our time...." excerpt from Gods Guiding Gift by Professor Walter J. Veith Phd
 
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