Leaving off the eschatology we see some great Christian Truths in John's Revelation.

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Every time a true born again believer in Jesus Christ dies, it is as if Jesus had been crucified, because the blood is of his body and this altar is the chalice of all the blood of the saints encompassing the last 2000 year and counting.

So the question remains, is the chalice over flowing right now?

I believe so!

I believe in God declaring war upon the wicked. Do you?
 
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OP: "...great Christian Truths in John's Revelation."

OOPS ...a MISS-nomer

Revelation 1 (NASB)...The Revelation of Jesus Christ
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him (Jesus) to show to His bond-servants, the things (in God's "eyes") which must soon take place;
and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John,(the Elder)
2 who testified to the "word of God" and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he (John) saw.

TRUTH:

Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—
 
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TRUTH:

Rev.3:5b...Eternal Security of the true believer's salvation
and I will not erase his name from the (Lamb's) "book of life", and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
 
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TRUTH:

Rev. 3...God Draws/calls. Man must choose to accept or reject
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock;
if anyone hears My voice and opens the door,
I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.
 
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Here we see that the 'saints in heaven' are aware of time and attending things going on here on Earth.

They are told what the wait is about, and are encouraged to rest.

Revelation 6:9-11

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

They are waiting on more Christians being killed. Are you dying for Christ?

"For as many as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." Alleluia!

Forgive me...
Or if amilinium be true those under the altar could be those like the woman seeking justice from adversaries.

Luke 18:
6 Then the Lord said, “Hear what the unjust judge said. 7 And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them? 8 I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?”
 
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TRUTH:

Rev. 11:15b...Christ’s Reign Foreseen
“The kingdom of the world (kosmos) has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ;
and He will reign forever and ever.”

TRUTH:

Rev.19 ...The Rider on the White Horse: The Second Coming of Christ
13b...His name is called "The Word of God"
16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

TRUTH:

Rev. 20...the Millenial Reign of Christ
6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death (lake of fire) has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

TRUTH:

Rev. 20...Sentencing of Un-believers at the Great White Throne of God
15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the (Lamb's) "book of life", (believers)
he was thrown into the "lake of fire".(eternal spiritual separation from God in the heavenly realms)

TRUTH:

Revelation 21-22: The New Heaven and New Earth and the New Jerusalem

TRUTH:

Rev. 23
12 “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My REWARD is with Me, to render to every (BELIEVING) man according to what he has done.
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
16b ...I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”
21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.
 
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Here we see that the 'saints in heaven' are aware of time and attending things going on here on Earth.

They are told what the wait is about, and are encouraged to rest.

Revelation 6:9-11

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

They are waiting on more Christians being killed. Are you dying for Christ?

"For as many as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." Alleluia!

Forgive me...
Am I wrong here in the reading of your question and post, that you are accusing those who were slain for the word of God, because of their cry in heaven, in fact being sinners that don't deserve the white robes given to them, and that God's decision is unjust?
 
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Am I wrong here in the reading of your question and post, that you are accusing those who were slain for the word of God, because of their cry in heaven, in fact being sinners that don't deserve the white robes given to them, and that God's decision is unjust?

Absolutely not. You got that from the question. That is not what I expected you to see. Very interesting.

Forgive me...
 
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Here we see that the 'saints in heaven' are aware of time and attending things going on here on Earth.

They are told what the wait is about, and are encouraged to rest.

Revelation 6:9-11

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

They are waiting on more Christians being killed. Are you dying for Christ?

"For as many as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." Alleluia!

Forgive me...
As much as one might wish for an end to the speculations on end times the reality is that some groups of Christians exist primarily for the sake of speculating about end times. Some groups take part their name from prophetic speculation. And the book of Revelation is the main arena for the speculations; coupled with Daniel and parts of Ezekiel and Isaiah whole systems of speculative end times theology were created in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries.

But you are right, the book of Revelation teaches valuable lessons and contains messages that ought to encourage Christians.
 
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Absolutely not. You got that from the question. That is not what I expected you to see. Very interesting.

Forgive me...
My apologies, I had your original post confused with someone who had later responded to you. Adding to your post though, I find the saints mentioned, to be receiving the garments as promised, white being synonymous with purity or possibly holy. see Zechariah 3:4 Joshua had his filthy garments removed and was given a change of raiment. As we are joined to Christ, spiritually speaking, that change of raiment is the white robes we are given and are what is referred to in Revelation. May I also suggest 1 Corinthians 15:53 stating, that as we are corruptible and mortal, we must put on immortality? God is holy. I would expect that in order to be in his presence, one would have to be holy or clean, and that is what the white robes are. Many times scriptures refer to God being made of light, and pure light is white, composed of all color. See his bow (rainbow) in the cloud in Genesis. While darkness itself, is the absence of light (See John chapter 1 - ...the darkness comprehended it not..) No one is truly worthy of what God has given us. That is what is referred to as grace and mercy, which I am thankful for. The saints who do cry, should not be accused though, as they are crying to the one who will avenge them, as he always does. And are given robes apparently as reward, just as he gives the crowns in other verses. He does and will punish the wicked. His judgment is righteous and true, and .."his rain falls on the just and unjust alike." (Matthew 5:45) Though it is noteworthy that the 24 elders earlier in Revelation, with their crowns, actually cast their crowns at his feet in worship, saying holy,holy, holy. I can't say I doubt the emphasis on how holy God really is. Also may I add in Revelation 20:4 the ones on the thrones are noted to have been given authority to judge. So all in all, I'm not sure where you were going with the original post, except that God is true and faithful to his word, and I can only second the statement, as it seems to be more that than an actual question, per se. Come to the table, there is a seat prepared. We will eat fruit of the tree of life which comes forth in all its seasons. We will drink of the water of life. There are many mansions in the Father's house prepared. Joy unspeakable is quite literally the only way to explain what it will be like.
 
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My apologies, I had your original post confused with someone who had later responded to you. Adding to your post though, I find the saints mentioned, to be receiving the garments as promised, white being synonymous with purity or possibly holy. see Zechariah 3:4 Joshua had his filthy garments removed and was given a change of raiment. As we are joined to Christ, spiritually speaking, that change of raiment is the white robes we are given and are what is referred to in Revelation. May I also suggest 1 Corinthians 15:53 stating, that as we are corruptible and mortal, we must put on immortality? God is holy. I would expect that in order to be in his presence, one would have to be holy or clean, and that is what the white robes are. Many times scriptures refer to God being made of light, and pure light is white, composed of all color. See his bow (rainbow) in the cloud in Genesis. While darkness itself, is the absence of light (See John chapter 1 - ...the darkness comprehended it not..) No one is truly worthy of what God has given us. That is what is referred to as grace and mercy, which I am thankful for. The saints who do cry, should not be accused though, as they are crying to the one who will avenge them, as he always does. And are given robes apparently as reward, just as he gives the crowns in other verses. He does and will punish the wicked. His judgment is righteous and true, and .."his rain falls on the just and unjust alike." (Matthew 5:45) Though it is noteworthy that the 24 elders earlier in Revelation, with their crowns, actually cast their crowns at his feet in worship, saying holy,holy, holy. I can't say I doubt the emphasis on how holy God really is. Also may I add in Revelation 20:4 the ones on the thrones are noted to have been given authority to judge. So all in all, I'm not sure where you were going with the original post, except that God is true and faithful to his word, and I can only second the statement, as it seems to be more that than an actual question, per se. Come to the table, there is a seat prepared. We will eat fruit of the tree of life which comes forth in all its seasons. We will drink of the water of life. There are many mansions in the Father's house prepared. Joy unspeakable is quite literally the only way to explain what it will be like.

There are many who do not believe that the saints in heaven watch us. That is the point of the OP.

Forgive me...
 
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Am I wrong here in the reading of your question and post, that you are accusing those who were slain for the word of God, because of their cry in heaven, in fact being sinners that don't deserve the white robes given to them, and that God's decision is unjust?
The Martyr's Oath

Forgive me...
 
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Here we see that the 'saints in heaven' are aware of time and attending things going on here on Earth.

They are told what the wait is about, and are encouraged to rest.

Revelation 6:9-11

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

They are waiting on more Christians being killed. Are you dying for Christ?

"For as many as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." Alleluia!

Forgive me...
Why do you say these are Saints in Heaven? Clearly these are the Beheaded of the Seven Year Tribulation period, who are indeed told to wait until the Beasts 42 Month reign of terror is over. The Church/Saints are indeed in Heaven, having been Raptured, we see them in Rev. ch. 7, they are the Saints that came out of the Great Tribulation (2000 years of the Church Tribulation).

Two different entities.

As per the Saints watching from Heaven, they SLEEP and are called home at the Rapture, so says Paul in 1 Corinthians 15.
 
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Matthew 5:33-37 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
 
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Here we see that the 'saints in heaven' are aware of time and attending things going on here on Earth.

They are told what the wait is about, and are encouraged to rest.

Revelation 6:9-11

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

They are waiting on more Christians being killed. Are you dying for Christ?

"For as many as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." Alleluia!

Forgive me...
I will gladly die for Christ.
Others tho will desire to die, but the death shall flee from them as in the holocaust of 1st century Jerusalem.

Reve 9:
5 And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months.
Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.
6 In those days men will seek death and will not find it;
they will desire to die, and death will flee from them
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The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen. In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal

...............This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A.D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months, the Romans having invested the City on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding.
 
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This is talking about the times Just before the retun of Jesus when many followers of jesus will be being killed for their belief in Him.. God has a number in mind..
What that number is only He knows.. When the crop is ripe then he shall return and gather in fruit..
That is what I always thought.........
We most times reap what we sow, as the 1st century Jews found out in 70ad....

Matt 13:30 "Suffer ye! to be together-growing to of the HARVEST/qerismou <2326> and in the time of the HARVEST/qerismou <2326> I shall be declaring to the Harvesters/Reapers/qerismou <2326>
'together-collect the darnel/zizania <2215 and bind ye them! into bundles to burn/kata-kausai <2618> (5658) them.
The yet grain together bring into the place of Me'


Reve 14:15 and another Messenger came out out of the Sanctuary crying out in a voice, great, to the one sitting on the cloud: "Send! the sickle of thee and reap! that came the hour to REAP/HARVEST/qerison <2325> (5657), that is dried the HARVEST/qerismoV <2326> of the land. . [Joel 3:13/Matt 13:30]

Reve 18:8 because of this, in one day shall be arriving the blows of Her, death and mourning and famine.
And in fire She shall be being burned/kata-kauqhsetai <2618> (5701), that strong Lord, the God, the One judging Her.


The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive. The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen..............

Meanwhile the Temple continued burning, until at length, vast as was its size, the flames completely enveloped the, whole building ; which, from the extent of the conflagration, impressed the distant spectator with an idea that the whole city was now on fire. The tumult and disorder which ensued upon this event, it is impossible (says Josephus) for language to describe.
........while the crackling noise of the devouring flames mingled with the clamor of arms, the groans of the dying and the shrieks of despair, augmented the tremendous horror of a scene, to which the pages of history can furnish no parallel.
 
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Sermons based upon an Idealist view of the Book of Revelation can be magnificent.
Let me make a recommendation to listen to Dr. Azurdia Revelation sermons regardless of your perspective on Revelation. Both the idealist and progressive parallelism perspectives hold up as applications of scripture even if you do not think of them as interpretations. These sermons of Dr. Azurdia prove the case of why there are nearly 2500 hymns with references to the Book of Revelation and the case for the inclusion of Revelation in the canon.

If depressed or weak, read the 5th chapter of the Book of Revelation. There are more than 500 hymns which reference this chapter for a very good reason.

Arturo G Azurdia III has about 32 stirring audio sermons from the progressive parallelism point of view. His site is <Spirit Empowered Preaching>
 
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