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I'm struggling so much right now. I keep asking myself, why does it even matter if I am a Christian or not? What's the point?
I still call myself a Christian. I can't imagine that ever changing. But the passion/flame isn't there. I don't feel a connection. I feel empty, like my faith is gone. It feels like a struggle to convince myself to care about God. And that's what's confusing. I've always felt that being Christian was just part of who I was. It use to be easy. But now it's like I have to put in an effort to convince myself that God matters. It's not that I'm questioning if he's real or not (although I guess some part of me is). It's more that I wonder, so what if he's real? So what if I'm Christian? Does it make a difference either way? I'll either go to hell or heaven. Am I just trying to force myself to care because there's a possibility I'll go to hell if I don't?

I've come to the conclusion that it must be my depression that is making me feel this way. I'm questioning my own worth, my own friendships, and now even my own religion. And nothing makes these thoughts stop. I don't know what to do anymore. I just wish I could care. I miss feeling something.

[+ I use to never pray. I felt like, well, God has everything planned anyway, so if I pray what difference would it make?
But ever since I started getting these bad feelings, which has been maybe a year now, I started to pray. But I feel like it doesn't do anything. Yet I still keep praying and praying. I pray for these bad feelings to go away, yet they just get worse.]

Edit: I just wanted to give a huge thanks to everyone who has replied. You've made me feel a lot better. I wasn't sure if I should post in here or not, but I'm very glad I did. Rest assured I am reading all these posts, even though I might not reply to all of them. Thank you to each and every single one of you :)
 
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I've come to the conclusion that it must be my depression that is making me feel this way. I'm questioning my own worth, my own friendships, and now even my own religion. And nothing makes these thoughts stop. I don't know what to do anymore. I just wish I could care. I miss feeling something.

I am sorry that you are feeling the way you do.
Have you sought help from your doctor?

Depression or any mental illness, does not get better by itself.

Being a Christian is a matter of trust/faith in facts.
Being a Christian is not dependant on our 'feelings'.

Please seek professional help to get better mentally and spiritualy.
 
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I can understand how you feel because I think I feel the same way. (I've been diagnosed with depression.) Have you been to a doctor? A psychiatrist? A Christian therapist? Since your symptoms are getting worse, you may very well have the illness too. Go get checked out.
 
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Thanks, both of you. I take medication and have recently started to see a therapist. We've only had a few sessions, but maybe I will start feeling better after seeing her more times.

However, spiritually, I have no one to talk to.
You can't talk spiritually to your therapist? I did mine. And of course you can virtually talk here.

My (total) guess at this point is that you do have depression, and the combination of the illness with the meds is flatlining your feelings. The good thing is that our faith is not feelings based. So you can choose to believe what you want regardless of how you feel.
 
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I suffer with depression too and also often think 'What's the point?' about faith, spiritual life, eating properly, getting exercise, voluntary work...like, literally everything seems pointless to me sometimes. Generally I have a word with myself something along these lines ''Sarah, you can't even handle this bit of suffering how do you think you're going to cope with an eternity of it?'' and then I get back on the horse.

I also find it helpful to think about suffering and how it brings us closer to Lord Jesus Christ.

Although many of the popular tv preachers, writers and social media (Christian) gurus would like us to believe that they don't suffer and that suffering is simply a lack of faith wherein we fail to claim our victory in Christ, we actually do all suffer. Lord Jesus Christ Himself suffered. Someone started a thread the other day on the subject 'Do we all go through a Garden of Gethsemane?' and I find that an interesting concept. Also the book 'The Scars That Have Shaped Me' and some of John Piper's teachings (youtube) really cut through that current health, wealth, prosperity gospel stuff for me.

I really think that selling the lie that we can all live a life of abundant health, wealth and joy all of the time if only we try a little harder and have a little more faith is a very clever con.
Everybody is suffering, or they will do. We cannot escape it!

Depression is my cross to bear. Of course you should do your best to deal with it, as people say, doctors, therapists, medicines, spiritual mentors are all great helpers that God can use to help us. We can also learn a lot from our suffering such as compassion and empathy for others.

Whatever happens, keep your faith, pray even if you don't feel like it. Be around believers and uplifting people (like here on CF!) and keep putting one foot in front of the other, endure to the end, trust that Jesus loves you :twohearts:

Free pdf book: https://document.desiringgod.org/the-scars-that-have-shaped-me-en.pdf?1498054609
 
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You can't talk spiritually to your therapist? I did mine. And of course you can virtually talk here.

My (total) guess at this point is that you do have depression, and the combination of the illness with the meds is flatlining your feelings. The good thing is that our faith is not feelings based. So you can choose to believe what you want regardless of how you feel.

We haven't really talked about it. I don't know if she's a Christian or not. I'm not sure how to bring it up , or if I even should.

Yes, I do. I've had depression for about 3 years, and social anxiety for 7. The depression has gotten very severe this past year, meanwhile my anxiety has gotten a lot better.

However, I am very confused about what you and Tolworth John mean when you say faith is not feelings-based. Can you elaborate? I thought the point of faith was about how you feel towards God and Christianity.


I suffer with depression too and also often think 'What's the point?' about faith, spiritual life, eating properly, getting exercise, voluntary work...like, literally everything seems pointless to me sometimes. Generally I have a word with myself something along these lines ''Sarah, you can't even handle this bit of suffering how do you think you're going to cope with an eternity of it?'' and then I get back on the horse.

I also find it helpful to think about suffering and how it brings us closer to Lord Jesus Christ.

Although many of the popular tv preachers, writers and social media (Christian) gurus would like us to believe that they don't suffer and that suffering is simply a lack of faith wherein we fail to claim our victory in Christ, we actually do all suffer. Lord Jesus Christ Himself suffered. Someone started a thread the other day on the subject 'Do we all go through a Garden of Gethsemane?' and I find that an interesting concept. Also the book 'The Scars That Have Shaped Me' and some of John Piper's teachings (youtube) really cut through that current health, wealth, prosperity gospel stuff for me.

I really think that selling the lie that we can all live a life of abundant health, wealth and joy all of the time if only we try a little harder and have a little more faith is a very clever con.
Everybody is suffering, or they will do. We cannot escape it!

Depression is my cross to bear. Of course you should do your best to deal with it, as people say, doctors, therapists, medicines, spiritual mentors are all great helpers that God can use to help us. We can also learn a lot from our suffering such as compassion and empathy for others.

Whatever happens, keep your faith, pray even if you don't feel like it. Be around believers and uplifting people (like here on CF!) and keep putting one foot in front of the other, endure to the end, trust that Jesus loves you :twohearts:

Free pdf book: https://document.desiringgod.org/the-scars-that-have-shaped-me-en.pdf?1498054609


Me too. Sometimes I do see the point in things - but then sometimes a switch goes off and I suddenly don't care about anything. Sometimes I worry that the apathetic one is the real me, and that I'll suddenly be stuck in this mood and won't be able to come out of it.

I have to agree with you there. Maybe that is even a part of my problem. I want to believe that I can suddenly have happiness without any struggling, but that's unrealistic. I'll definitely check that book out.

Thank you very much for your help :)
 
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I'm struggling so much right now. I keep asking myself, why does it even matter if I am a Christian or not? What's the point?
I still call myself a Christian. I can't imagine that ever changing. But the passion/flame isn't there. I don't feel a connection. I feel empty, like my faith is gone. It feels like a struggle to convince myself to care about God. And that's what's confusing. I've always know felt that being Christian was just part of who I was. It use to be easy. But now it's like I have to put in an effort to convince myself that God matters. It's not that I'm questioning if he's real or not (although I guess some part of me is). It's more that I wonder, so what if he's real? So what if I'm Christian? Does it make a difference either way? I'll either go to hell or heaven. Am I just trying to force myself to care because there's a possibility I'll go to hell if I don't?

I've come to the conclusion that it must be my depression that is making me feel this way. I'm questioning my own worth, my own friendships, and now even my own religion. And nothing makes these thoughts stop. I don't know what to do anymore. I just wish I could care. I miss feeling something.

[+ I use to never pray. I felt like, well, God has everything planned anyway, so if I pray what difference would it make?
But ever since I started getting these bad feelings, which has been maybe a year now, I started to pray. But I feel like it doesn't do anything. Yet I still keep praying and praying. I pray for these bad feelings to go away, yet they just get worse.]
You're probably correct in surmising that it's your physical and mental condition that makes you feel this way. However, if you're still not sure about your faith then ask yourselves if you've received the Holy Spirit. If not just ask the Lord for and receive the Holy Spirit now. The Holy Spirit will be your constant assurance and guide.

Every aspect of a Christian's life is tied in to our faith. Natural life is inseparable from our faith and anything that's not done by faith is sin (Romans 14:23). So instead of looking at it as faith vs depression look at it as depression in a life of faith. Even a great man of God like Elijah was depressed and tired when he ran from Jezebel. These are times that strengthen your faith and draw you closer to God. Hope that helps.

You can always connect with us 24 x 7. God bless you child :).
 
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If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. - 1 John 4:18

I would say also that a perfect faith, a perfect hope, along with a perfect love all will effectively dispel the darkness. If we take the opposite of energy and light we would have nothing and darkness, and spiritually... Laziness, coldness, hatred, fear, depression, greed, and sorrow.

My testimony also, as written by GC Rankin 100 years before me, the difference being....

I started out Baptist, GC Rankin Presbyterian
I would work the hay field, GC Rankin the cottonfield
I would receive this in a Pentecostal Holiness church, GC Rankin Methodist
I came down with cigarettes, GC Rankin with a pistol of large make!
All in exact methods of GC Rankin 100 years before me!

"Grandfather was kind to me and considerate of me, yet he was strict with me. I worked along with him in the field when the weather was agreeable and when it was inclement I helped him in his hatter's shop, for the Civil War was in progress and he had returned at odd times to hatmaking. It was my business in the shop to stretch foxskins and coonskins across a wood-horse and with a knife, made for that purpose, pluck the hair from the fur. I despise the odor of foxskins and coonskins to this good day. He had me to walk two miles every Sunday to Dandridge to Church service and Sunday-school, rain or shine, wet or dry, cold or hot; yet he had fat horses standing in his stable. But he was such a blue-stocking Presbyterian that he never allowed a bridle to go on a horse's head on Sunday. The beasts had to have a day of rest. Old Doctor Minnis was the pastor, and he was the dryest and most interminable preacher I ever heard in my life. He would stand motionless and read his sermons from manuscript for one hour and a half at a time and sometimes longer. Grandfather would sit and never take his eyes off of him, except to glance at me to keep me quiet. It was torture to me." - George Clark Rankin


George Clark Rankin was then sent to Georgia after his grandfather could no longer care for him. With his belongings in a satchel he had a Colt's navy pistol of a large make. It was an old weapon, and what under the sun I wanted with it is a mystery to me to this good day. I reached the station in time to catch the eleven-o' clock train. I purchased my ticket and boarded the car for the first time in my life. I had one lone lorn fifty-cent piece left in my depleted purse, and that was the sum and substance of my finances for the rest of the trip. As the train whizzed along I looked first at the people and then through the window at the country and thought over my journey and what was to come of it. At nine o'clock we reached Dalton and disembarked. I had never been in a hotel. I saw one not far from the depot and went to it. I asked the clerk what he would charge me for a room that night and he said fifty cents. That was exactly my pile! I called for the accommodation, but before retiring I told him I wanted to leave very early the next morning for Spring Place and that I would pay him then, for no one would be up when I would leave. He smiled and took the silver half dollar. I went to my room, and solitude is no name for the room I occupied that night. After a while I fell into a sound sleep and awoke bright and early the next morning. It was not good daylight. I arose and hastened downstairs, and there sat the same clerk whom I had the night before it had never dawned on me that a hotel clerk sat up all night. I thanked him for his kindness and bade him good-bye in regular old country style.

It was not long until I was in the road and making tracks across the country to where my uncle lived. It was in 1866 and the marks of Sherman's march to the sea were everywhere visible. The country was very much out of repair and all around Dalton the earth was marked with breastworks. Every hill showed signs of war. Much of the fencing had not been restored and here and there I could see blackened chimneys still standing. After I had gotten out a few miles I stopped and took that old pistol with its belt and scabbard out of my satchel and buckled the war paraphernalia around my person on the outside of my coat. Just why I did this I cannot explain. I must have looked a caution in my homespun suit and rural air trudging along that highway with that old army pistol fastened around me. In going down a hill toward a ravine from which there was another hill in front of me I met two men horseback. They spoke to me and eyed me very curiously, but, strange to say, I could not tell why. Why would not men eye such a looking war arsenal as that? There were two others riding down the hill in front of me, and as the first two passed me they stopped and looked back at the others and shouted: "Lookout, boys, he is loaded!"

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In the course of an hour I was at my uncle's. He was surprised to see me, but gave me a cordial welcome. The first thing he did was to disarm me, and that ended my pistol-toting. I have never had one about my person or home to this good day. And I never will understand just why I had that one. A good dinner refreshed me and I soon unfolded my plans and they were satisfactory to my kind-hearted kinsman. He was in the midst of cotton-picking and that afternoon I went to the field and, with a long sack about my waist, had my first experience in the cottonfield. We then would get ready for the revival occurring that night…

After the team had been fed and we had been to supper we put the mules to the wagon, filled it with chairs and we were off to the meeting. When we reached the locality it was about dark and the people were assembling. Their horses and wagons filled up the cleared spaces and the singing was already in progress. My uncle and his family went well up toward the front, but I dropped into a seat well to the rear. It was an old-fashioned Church, ancient in appearance, oblong in shape and unpretentious. It was situated in a grove about one hundred yards from the road. It was lighted with old tallow-dip candles furnished by the neighbors. It was not a prepossessing-looking place, but it was soon crowded and evidently there was a great deal of interest. A cadaverous-looking man stood up in front with a tuning fork and raised and led the songs. There were a few prayers and the minister came in with his saddlebags and entered the pulpit. He was the Rev. W. H. Heath, the circuit rider. His prayer impressed me with his earnestness and there were many amens to it in the audience. I do not remember his text, but it was a typical revival sermon, full of unction and power.

At its close he invited penitents to the altar and a great many young people flocked to it and bowed for prayer. Many of them became very much affected and they cried out distressingly for mercy. It had a strange effect on me. It made me nervous and I wanted to retire. Directly my uncle came back to me, put his arm around my shoulder and asked me if I did not want to be religious. I told him that I had always had that desire, that mother had brought me up that way, and really I did not know anything else. Then he wanted to know if I had ever professed religion. I hardly understood what he meant and did not answer him. He changed his question and asked me if I had ever been to the altar for prayer, and I answered him in the negative. Then he earnestly besought me to let him take me up to the altar and join the others in being prayed for. It really embarrassed me and I hardly knew what to say to him. He spoke to me of my mother and said that when she was a little girl she went to the altar and that Christ accepted her and she had been a good Christian all these years. That touched me in a tender spot, for mother always did do what was right; and then I was far away from her and wanted to see her. Oh, if she were there to tell me what to do!

By and by I yielded to his entreaty and he led forward to the altar. The minister took me by the hand and spoke tenderly to me as I knelt at the altar. I had gone more out of sympathy than conviction, and I did not know what to do after I bowed there. The others were praying aloud and now and then one would rise shoutingly happy and make the old building ring with his glad praise. It was a novel experience to me. I did not know what to pray for, neither did I know what to expect if I did pray. I spent the most of the hour wondering why I was there and what it all meant. No one explained anything to me. Once in awhile some good old brother or sister would pass my way, strike me on the back and tell me to look up and believe and the blessing would come. But that was not encouraging to me. In fact, it sounded like nonsense and the noise was distracting me. Even in my crude way of thinking I had an idea that religion was a sensible thing and that people ought to become religious intelligently and without all that hurrah. I presume that my ideas were the result of the Presbyterian training given to me by old grandfather. By and by my knees grew tired and the skin was nearly rubbed off my elbows. I thought the service never would close, and when it did conclude with the benediction I heaved a sigh of relief. That was my first experience at the mourner's bench.

As we drove home I did not have much to say, but I listened attentively to the conversation between my uncle and his wife. They were greatly impressed with the meeting, and they spoke first of this one and that one who had "come through" and what a change it would make in the community, as many of them were bad boys. As we were putting up the team my uncle spoke very encouragingly to me; he was delighted with the step I had taken and he pleaded with me not to turn back, but to press on until I found the pearl of great price. He knew my mother would be very happy over the start I had made. Before going to sleep I fell into a train of thought, though I was tired and exhausted. I wondered why I had gone to that altar and what I had gained by it. I felt no special conviction and had received no special impression, but then if my mother had started that way there must be something in it, for she always did what was right. I silently lifted my heart to God in prayer for conviction and guidance. I knew how to pray, for I had come up through prayer, but not the mourner's bench sort. So I determined to continue to attend the meeting and keep on going to the altar until I got religion.

Early the next morning I was up and in a serious frame of mind. I went with the other hands to the cottonfield and at noon I slipped off in the barn and prayed. But the more I thought of the way those young people were moved in the meeting and with what glad hearts they had shouted their praises to God the more it puzzled and confused me. I could not feel the conviction that they had and my heart did not feel melted and tender. I was callous and unmoved in feeling and my distress on account of sin was nothing like theirs. I did not understand my own state of mind and heart. It troubled me, for by this time I really wanted to have an experience like theirs.

When evening came I was ready for Church service and was glad to go. It required no urging. Another large crowd was present and the preacher was as earnest as ever. I did not give much heed to the sermon. In fact, I do not recall a word of it. I was anxious for him to conclude and give me a chance to go to the altar. I had gotten it into my head that there was some real virtue in the mourner's bench; and when the time came I was one of the first to prostrate myself before the altar in prayer. Many others did likewise. Two or three good people at intervals knelt by me and spoke encouragingly to me, but they did not help me. Their talks were mere exhortations to earnestness and faith, but there was no explanation of faith, neither was there any light thrown upon my mind and heart. I wrought myself up into tears and cries for help, but the whole situation was dark and I hardly knew why I cried, or what was the trouble with me. Now and then others would arise from the altar in an ecstasy of joy, but there was no joy for me. When the service closed I was discouraged and felt that maybe I was too hardhearted and the good Spirit could do nothing for me.

After we went home I tossed on the bed before going to sleep and wondered why God did not do for me what he had done for mother and what he was doing in that meeting for those young people at the altar. I could not understand it. But I resolved to keep on trying, and so dropped off to sleep. The next day I had about the same experience and at night saw no change in my condition. And so for several nights I repeated the same distressing experience. The meeting took on such interest that a day service was adopted along with the night exercises, and we attended that also. And one morning while I bowed at the altar in a very disturbed state of mind Brother Tyson, a good local preacher and the father of Rev. J. F. Tyson, now of the Central Conference, sat down by me and, putting his hand on my shoulder, said to me: "Now I want you to sit up awhile and let's talk this matter over quietly. I am sure that you are in earnest, for you have been coming to this altar night after night for several days. I want to ask you a few simple questions." And the following questions were asked and answered:

"My son, do you not love God?"

"I cannot remember when I did not love him."

"Do you believe on his Son, Jesus Christ?"

"I have always believed on Christ. My mother taught me that from my earliest recollection."

"Do you accept him as your Savior?"

"I certainly do, and have always done so."

"Can you think of any sin that is between you and the Savior?"

"No, sir; for I have never committed any bad sins."

"Do you love everybody?"

"Well, I love nearly everybody, but I have no ill-will toward any one. An old man did me a wrong not long ago and I acted ugly toward him, but I do not care to injure him."

"Can you forgive him?"

"Yes, if he wanted me to."

"But, down in your heart, can you wish him well?"

"Yes, sir; I can do that."

"Well, now let me say to you that if you love God, if you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior from sin and if you love your fellowmen and intend by God's help to lead a religious life, that's all there is to religion. In fact, that is all I know about it."

Then he repeated several passages of Scriptures to me proving his assertions. I thought a moment and said to him: "But I do not feel like these young people who have been getting religion night after night. I cannot get happy like them. I do not feel like shouting."

The good man looked at me and smiled and said: "Ah, that's your trouble. You have been trying to feel like them. Now you are not them; you are yourself. You have your own quiet disposition and you are not turned like them. They are excitable and blustery like they are. They give way to their feelings. That's all right, but feeling is not religion. Religion is faith and life. If you have violent feeling with it, all good and well, but if you have faith and not much feeling, why the feeling will take care of itself. To love God and accept Jesus Christ as your Savior, turning away from all sin, and living a godly life, is the substance of true religion."

That was new to me, yet it had been my state of mind from childhood. For I remembered that away back in my early life, when the old preacher held services in my grandmother's house one day and opened the door of the Church, I went forward and gave him my hand. He was to receive me into full membership at the end of six months' probation, but he let it pass out of his mind and failed to attend to it.

As I sat there that morning listening to the earnest exhortation of the good man my tears ceased, my distress left me, light broke in upon my mind, my heart grew joyous, and before I knew just what I was doing I was going all around shaking hands with everybody, and my confusion and darkness disappeared and a great burden rolled off my spirit. I felt exactly like I did when I was a little boy around my mother's knee when she told of Jesus and God and Heaven. It made my heart thrill then, and the same old experience returned to me in that old country Church that beautiful September morning down in old North Georgia.

I at once gave my name to the preacher for membership in the Church, and the following Sunday morning, along with many others, he received me into full membership in the Methodist Episcopal Church, South. It was one of the most delightful days in my recollection. It was the third Sunday in September, 1866, and those Church vows became a living principle in my heart and life. During these forty-five long years, with their alternations of sunshine and shadow, daylight and darkness, success and failure, rejoicing and weeping, fears within and fightings without, I have never ceased to thank God for that autumnal day in the long ago when my name was registered in the Lamb's Book of Life.

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- From the testimony of George Clark Rankin
 
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I'm struggling so much right now. I keep asking myself, why does it even matter if I am a Christian or not? What's the point?
I still call myself a Christian. I can't imagine that ever changing. But the passion/flame isn't there. I don't feel a connection. I feel empty, like my faith is gone. It feels like a struggle to convince myself to care about God. And that's what's confusing. I've always know felt that being Christian was just part of who I was. It use to be easy. But now it's like I have to put in an effort to convince myself that God matters. It's not that I'm questioning if he's real or not (although I guess some part of me is). It's more that I wonder, so what if he's real? So what if I'm Christian? Does it make a difference either way? I'll either go to hell or heaven. Am I just trying to force myself to care because there's a possibility I'll go to hell if I don't?

I've come to the conclusion that it must be my depression that is making me feel this way. I'm questioning my own worth, my own friendships, and now even my own religion. And nothing makes these thoughts stop. I don't know what to do anymore. I just wish I could care. I miss feeling something.

[+ I use to never pray. I felt like, well, God has everything planned anyway, so if I pray what difference would it make?
But ever since I started getting these bad feelings, which has been maybe a year now, I started to pray. But I feel like it doesn't do anything. Yet I still keep praying and praying. I pray for these bad feelings to go away, yet they just get worse.]

Edit: I just wanted to give a huge thanks to everyone who has replied. You've made me feel a lot better. I wasn't sure if I should post in here or not, but I'm very glad I did. Thank you :)

I once felt like this. I got to the point where I would walk home from work and just walk across busy roads without stopping in front of cars not caring if I got hit. Didnt care about the affect it would have on my wife and 2 young kids. During this period I did one thing that resulted in a life changing experience, although not a cure for the depression. It was to keep praying and ask God to give me a glimpse of what it will be like when we get to heaven. He did give me a brief glimpse in my spirit. It will be amazing, being in the completely overwhelming love of God and being completely overwhelmed and consumed by it. And I know that was just a brief, very weak and veiled glimpse of what it will be like.

I also had other symptoms like aches and pains, sinus problems, headaches, which were all put down to depression by my doctor but when they put me on antidepressants they made me even worse so I stopped. I started doing my own research on the internet and discovered something that explained all of my symptoms, a food intolerance. I did a food elimination diet and within days felt better. As I added food back in I found sweetcorn gave me immediate and huge symptoms. But as there are literally hundreds of additives in just about every food type you can buy made from sweetcorn (e.g. even plain potatoes are washed in a liquid made from corn to stop them sprouting) it had been difficult beforehand to link it to particular foods. Doctors tended to blame it on psychological damage caused by being violently and verbally abused as a child. The point being there can be physical causes of depression which the medical profession will overlook and in those cases it can be overcome. They were trying to treat the symptoms but I found the cause.

There is also a strong spiritual issue that you will probably need to deal with. When I was going through this stage and earlier bouts of depression I spiritually latched onto people and things that I now know were wrong before God. There is a teaching I have only recently heard of going around under the name of "soul ties".

Do some research on this and look at if you think it applies to you. It allows the demonic an entry point that they can attack you from. You need to deal with it to cut that point and allowing God to block it. Since I did that I have come to the conclusion that demons are currently attacking Christians in this way and making us ineffective. Generational curses (Exodus 20:5) are also tied into this in that demons will attack a familiar blood line until the sin of the fathers (and mothers) has also been repented off and the entry point for attack closed.

I still have my moments and often struggle to feel the presence of God, but for me this is more down to the current style of praise in churches around the world, the current trend is praise God for what He does and it often stops there. The thing I find really releases me into the presence of God is singing of my love for Him, I am naturally more of a giver than just a receiver.
 
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I am sorry that you are feeling the way you do.
Have you sought help from your doctor?

Depression or any mental illness, does not get better by itself.

Being a Christian is a matter of trust/faith in facts.
Being a Christian is not dependant on our 'feelings'.

Please seek professional help to get better mentally and spiritualy.

What kind of professional help do you want him or her to seek?
 
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I'm struggling so much right now. I keep asking myself, why does it even matter if I am a Christian or not? What's the point?
I still call myself a Christian. I can't imagine that ever changing. But the passion/flame isn't there. I don't feel a connection. I feel empty, like my faith is gone. It feels like a struggle to convince myself to care about God. And that's what's confusing. I've always know felt that being Christian was just part of who I was. It use to be easy. But now it's like I have to put in an effort to convince myself that God matters. It's not that I'm questioning if he's real or not (although I guess some part of me is). It's more that I wonder, so what if he's real? So what if I'm Christian? Does it make a difference either way? I'll either go to hell or heaven. Am I just trying to force myself to care because there's a possibility I'll go to hell if I don't?

I've come to the conclusion that it must be my depression that is making me feel this way. I'm questioning my own worth, my own friendships, and now even my own religion. And nothing makes these thoughts stop. I don't know what to do anymore. I just wish I could care. I miss feeling something.

[+ I use to never pray. I felt like, well, God has everything planned anyway, so if I pray what difference would it make?
But ever since I started getting these bad feelings, which has been maybe a year now, I started to pray. But I feel like it doesn't do anything. Yet I still keep praying and praying. I pray for these bad feelings to go away, yet they just get worse.]

Edit: I just wanted to give a huge thanks to everyone who has replied. You've made me feel a lot better. I wasn't sure if I should post in here or not, but I'm very glad I did. Thank you :)

I am personally on depression and anxiety medication but I love the Lord. I say that because many Christians don’t believe in depression but it is very real. I have a friend who believes that way actually.

I would definitely recommend a Dr visit because they’ll make you take a depression test and that’ll tell you a lot. At worst, you can rule it out.

I’m sorry you are suffering with this. I know it’s such a burden but I promise, it really does lift.

God bless you my friend!
 
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I'm struggling so much right now. I keep asking myself, why does it even matter if I am a Christian or not? What's the point?
I still call myself a Christian. I can't imagine that ever changing. But the passion/flame isn't there. I don't feel a connection. I feel empty, like my faith is gone. It feels like a struggle to convince myself to care about God. And that's what's confusing. I've always know felt that being Christian was just part of who I was. It use to be easy. But now it's like I have to put in an effort to convince myself that God matters. It's not that I'm questioning if he's real or not (although I guess some part of me is). It's more that I wonder, so what if he's real? So what if I'm Christian? Does it make a difference either way? I'll either go to hell or heaven. Am I just trying to force myself to care because there's a possibility I'll go to hell if I don't?

I've come to the conclusion that it must be my depression that is making me feel this way. I'm questioning my own worth, my own friendships, and now even my own religion. And nothing makes these thoughts stop. I don't know what to do anymore. I just wish I could care. I miss feeling something.

[+ I use to never pray. I felt like, well, God has everything planned anyway, so if I pray what difference would it make?
But ever since I started getting these bad feelings, which has been maybe a year now, I started to pray. But I feel like it doesn't do anything. Yet I still keep praying and praying. I pray for these bad feelings to go away, yet they just get worse.]

Edit: I just wanted to give a huge thanks to everyone who has replied. You've made me feel a lot better. I wasn't sure if I should post in here or not, but I'm very glad I did. Thank you :)



Sweet....I have been where you are and my heart breaks for you. I would not wish depression upon my worst enemy.Those who have not been there don, t have a clue as to what depression feels like.I know that I didn’t.I was in a world that I didn’t know existed previously. I thought depression was just being sad.It’s got nothing to do with that.It’s about being dead.Imagine the top ten things in you life that give you pleasure.Now take a magic wand and make all those pleasures vanish.you have no desire to go anwhere,do anything and the last thing you want is to be around people.It’s just to taxing to be around people -too difficult to act normal when you are anything but that.Your true self has vanished and it is very painful to go out in public and put on display the “zombie” you have become.
Having said all that gloom and doom,I am very happy to say that now I am 99% better now. My joy has returned, I love life and look forward to getting out and doing things...especially just going around and being kind to everybody I meet.
My faith has been strong throughout this ordeal...thank God for that!In retrospect,I am convinced that in my case It was an attack by the Enemy.I came out of this nightmare almost overnight,so never give up hope.getting the proper medication was very important to me,so ask around about a good doctor who has experience in these matters.Pray often and seek out God’s promises that apply to this area and believe the promises....and try to be patient....if your battle is a Spiritual one,the warfare could take some time.
I wish I had been aware of this forum during my ordeal.There is much power when you combine your prayers with those of others.Know that I will be praying for you until you get well.....and you WILL get well.Stay strong in your faith,ask God for strength and May God bless you in this struggle.He’s already at work for you. “Blessed men GO THROUGH valleys of weeping”
 
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I once felt like this. I got to the point where I would walk home from work and just walk across busy roads without stopping in front of cars not caring if I got hit. Didnt care about the affect it would have on my wife and 2 young kids. During this period I did one thing that resulted in a life changing experience, although not a cure for the depression. It was to keep praying and ask God to give me a glimpse of what it will be like when we get to heaven. He did give me a brief glimpse in my spirit. It will be amazing, being in the completely overwhelming love of God and being completely overwhelmed and consumed by it. And I know that was just a brief, very weak and veiled glimpse of what it will be like.

I also had other symptoms like aches and pains, sinus problems, headaches, which were all put down to depression by my doctor but when they put me on antidepressants they made me even worse so I stopped. I started doing my own research on the internet and discovered something that explained all of my symptoms, a food intolerance. I did a food elimination diet and within days felt better. As I added food back in I found sweetcorn gave me immediate and huge symptoms. But as there are literally hundreds of additives in just about every food type you can buy made from sweetcorn (e.g. even plain potatoes are washed in a liquid made from corn to stop them sprouting) it had been difficult beforehand to link it to particular foods. Doctors tended to blame it on psychological damage caused by being violently and verbally abused as a child. The point being there can be physical causes of depression which the medical profession will overlook and in those cases it can be overcome. They were trying to treat the symptoms but I found the cause.

There is also a strong spiritual issue that you will probably need to deal with. When I was going through this stage and earlier bouts of depression I spiritually latched onto people and things that I now know were wrong before God. There is a teaching I have only recently heard of going around under the name of "soul ties".

Do some research on this and look at if you think it applies to you. It allows the demonic an entry point that they can attack you from. You need to deal with it to cut that point and allowing God to block it. Since I did that I have come to the conclusion that demons are currently attacking Christians in this way and making us ineffective. Generational curses (Exodus 20:5) are also tied into this in that demons will attack a familiar blood line until the sin of the fathers (and mothers) has also been repented off and the entry point for attack closed.

I still have my moments and often struggle to feel the presence of God, but for me this is more down to the current style of praise in churches around the world, the current trend is praise God for what He does and it often stops there. The thing I find really releases me into the presence of God is singing of my love for Him, I am naturally more of a giver than just a receiver.
God bless you. This morning I read Isaiah chapter 61. In verse 2 it says: put on the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness. Depression is an attack. When our spirits are lifted up through praises to God in psalm, songs, hymns and worship the devil must flee. The depression will flee even if it for a while, so that we can constantly look to God for deliverance and depend on Him. His grace is sufficient for us for in our weakness (whatever it might be) His strength is made perfect. The joy of the Lord is our strenght.
 
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I'm struggling so much right now. I keep asking myself, why does it even matter if I am a Christian or not? What's the point?
I still call myself a Christian. I can't imagine that ever changing. But the passion/flame isn't there. I don't feel a connection. I feel empty, like my faith is gone. It feels like a struggle to convince myself to care about God. And that's what's confusing. I've always know felt that being Christian was just part of who I was. It use to be easy. But now it's like I have to put in an effort to convince myself that God matters. It's not that I'm questioning if he's real or not (although I guess some part of me is). It's more that I wonder, so what if he's real? So what if I'm Christian? Does it make a difference either way? I'll either go to hell or heaven. Am I just trying to force myself to care because there's a possibility I'll go to hell if I don't?

I've come to the conclusion that it must be my depression that is making me feel this way. I'm questioning my own worth, my own friendships, and now even my own religion. And nothing makes these thoughts stop. I don't know what to do anymore. I just wish I could care. I miss feeling something.

[+ I use to never pray. I felt like, well, God has everything planned anyway, so if I pray what difference would it make?
But ever since I started getting these bad feelings, which has been maybe a year now, I started to pray. But I feel like it doesn't do anything. Yet I still keep praying and praying. I pray for these bad feelings to go away, yet they just get worse.]

Edit: I just wanted to give a huge thanks to everyone who has replied. You've made me feel a lot better. I wasn't sure if I should post in here or not, but I'm very glad I did. Thank you :)

You are in perfect position before God to receive...cry out and ask HIM...reason with Him. Many of David's Psalms have this very heart cry and I found great truth in them.

At the time that I was at my lowest, seeming to not be hearing from God, I cried out to Him with many tears and despair...telling Him I had done all I knew to do and just couldn't do it (or take it) anymore....and then I heard HIM...that still, small voice came through saying "I know you can't, but I can." So keep on asking HIM...it is always darkest before the dawn...
 
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I wrote the blog below (which is a prayer) as a cry of my heart during a time of depression. Don't let depression still your Joy in Christ alone. God bless.

No Other Cry Have I {Psalmist Prayer}
 
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Look at Romans 1:21
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Reverse what those people did.
When you see God working, no matter how small it may seem, give Him the glory.
And be thankful for all God has given you.
Count your many blessings name them one by one, it will surprise you what the LORD has done.
Even if all you can see is that you woke up above ground, give Him praise.
Any day above ground is a good day.
For a Christian, any day not on this earth is a wonderful day.
 
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