The book of Genesis...

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What are you doing in genesis 1:10 when you should be in genesis 1, 2 & 3. I just explained this in the post before this one.

First of all we are talking about the creation of the Heavens and the Earth. We have five words, beginning, God, created, heavens, earth. That is what we are working with, those five words. So we have to understand the meaning of those words. At least I tend to like the expository approach.

Why didn't you click on the link? You want me to explain the article to you when you need to read it for yourself. We can not teach truth, people have to discover truth for themselves.

"The dense interstellar clouds of gas and dust where stars form contain abundant water, in the form of ice. When a star first lights up, it heats up the cloud around it and floods it with radiation, vaporizing the ice and breaking up some of the water molecules into oxygen and hydrogen."

Nothing in the Bible conflicts with what Science is telling us. Sometimes when we have new information from Science that may have a impact on our understanding or interpretation of the Bible. Jesus tells us that: "You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions." There are various scriptures that warn us about man's traditons not representing God commandment or God's written word the Bible.

I keep telling people when the whole earth is covered with water the water is frozen. They call this a snowball earth. I do not know why this is a issue for people. I grew up looking at what the glaciers left behind when they melted. So I have no issue with the concept of a Snowball earth.

Then there what is called the permafrost that covers the earth as well. :)
 
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Why do you not answer my question. Answer mine and I will answer yours.
It was rhetorical. The point is I do not care how old the earth is and I do not think that makes a difference. We have to where the evidence takes us and if we end up where we do not expect to go that shows that God is working and not our imagination.

We have seen movies like Jurassic Park so we know what Steven Spielberg's imagination and storytelling ability can accomplish. The question is: "Where does the evidence take us and what does that show us about God's Creation and the dinosaurs.
 
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I ask you how you know the age of the earth is 4.6 billion years old. You did not respond
Mostly I go by the spindown rate of the earth and the receding rate of the moon. Based on the math we get from NASA. This is pretty basic fifth grade math that a child should be able to understand. Also I look at geology. I spent a fair amount of time to study the dinosaur bones that they find in Ghost Ranch New Mexico. This was a part of the evidence that science used to confirm what they now call plate tectonics.

I use written History, Science and the Bible. Also we use archeology and man made artifacts. As we learn from Gerald Schroeder there are hundreds of thousands of books in the library at MIT and Harvard University. Most all of those books can be used to show how accurate and true the Bible is. God leaves us with a witness and a testimony of the work He has done. If and when our eye are open to see the evidence that God provides for us. If not then the evidence will testify against people on the day of judgment.

Romans 1:20 "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

Luke 19 "39 But some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Him, “Teacher, rebuke Your disciples!” 40“I tell you, He answered, “if they remain silent, the very stones will cry out.” "

The stones have a story to tell for those that are willing to listen.
 
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100% pure gold is made by a supernovae of a old star by God's design, creation in Genesis is very basic in its meanings. God's creations are a lot more complex than can be written in one book let alone a few chapters.
The book of Genesis uses what Cahn calls Paradigms. Often they refer to this as shadows and types. What moses tells us about the temple is filled with information about Christ. There are pastors that only have two years of Bible School that though the Holy Spirit are able to teach about the Temple and the meaning of what Moses writes about the items we find in the Temple.

Matthew 13:13 "This is why I speak to them in parables: ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’ 14 In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.…"
 
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Mostly I go by the spindown rate of the earth and the receding rate of the moon. Based on the math we get from NASA. This is pretty basic fifth grade math that a child should be able to understand. Also I look at geology. I spent a fair amount of time to study the dinosaur bones that they find in Ghost Ranch New Mexico. This was a part of the evidence that science used to confirm what they now call plate tectonics.

I use written History, Science and the Bible. Also we use archeology and man made artifacts. As we learn from Gerald Schroeder there are hundreds of thousands of books in the library at MIT and Harvard University. Most all of those books can be used to show how accurate and true the Bible is. God leaves us with a witness and a testimony of the work He has done. If and when our eye are open to see the evidence that God provides for us. If not then the evidence will testify against people on the day of judgment.

Nothing you have mentions can give the age of the universe. Such explanations always omit the "HOW" it happened; what caused it to happen. If the books in the libraries you mention show the accuracy of the Bible, then the universe was spoken into being by its Creator in 6 days and it was very good. Nothing else needed to be done.

Romans 1:20 "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

That verse has noting to do with the age of the universe. In creation, one of the invisible qualities of God is His omnipotence. The heavens are declaring the glory of God(Ps 19:1),

Psa 89:7b - ...The witness of the sky is faithful

Luke 19 "39 But some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Him, “Teacher, rebuke Your disciples!” 40“I tell you, He answered, “if they remain silent, the very stones will cry out.” "

The stones have a story to tell for those that are willing to listen.

Right, but what is the story they will tell? If we put that verse in contest, the stones, will cry out this man is who He says He is, the Messiah.
 
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It was rhetorical. The point is I do not care how old the earth is and I do not think that makes a difference. We have to where the evidence takes us and if we end up where we do not expect to go that shows that God is working and not our imagination.

I agree. The Bible does not give the age of the earth, so it is not important. The olny thing important is how did it originate.

We have seen movies like Jurassic Park so we know what Steven Spielberg's imagination and storytelling ability can accomplish. The question is: "Where does the evidence take us and what does that show us about God's Creation and the dinosaurs.

There is no doubt that dinosaurs existed. Why should that be a problem for Christians? The evolutionist claim the evolved from chickens is only a problem for them, and they can't explain it scientifically
 
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Well your overwhelming proof to the contrary has made your point very clear! Where did I state big Bang? Any person with a telescope can tell you observably that things are moving in space. If, that we can apply simple measurements to that movement is beyond you, there is nothing further to discuss. I can make this no simpler for you to understand. If you want to continue to discredit any measurement presented then we are at in impasse, and there is nothing to be benefited from this conversation.

Regards, GBTG

Most who mention objects moving in space try to attribute that to try and justify the BB. Not only have I never question that, I have acknowledged it is true. The problem with such statements is not disputing the measurements but claiming that is evidence the universe is expanding without being able to see its outer edges.

I am not her to discredit anything, except statements for which no evidence is offered. If you can't do that, nothing can be benefited from this conversation.
 
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OK let me clarify. We live on Earth we can see things in Space moving, they are going somewhere (therefore they came from somewhere). So because you (collective mankind) cannot see an edge to space this disproves what and how? My Argument is that God started the whole of the universe. He introduced matter and movement. It seams very plausible that God made a single origination point (as he is perfect and does not need to redo anything), what then if the science of man, might refer to a this event as a Big Bang? IF this were case does this invalidate God?

You keep bringing it up so I might as well entertain the big bang argument!

Or could this have been described in Genesis 1:2

"And the earth was without form and void; darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

Please draw or demonstrate in visual terms Genesis 1:2

Regards, GBTG
 
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