Poll: 77% of Democrats with 4-Year Degrees Think Sex Not Determined at Birth

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Exactly. When right and wrong or scientific facts are
determined by nose counts, we're in trouble. Another
reason the global warming crowd is crazy.
What on earth ???? Global warming is crazy because there's nose counts.... I don't even know what that means or what it has to do with the OP
 
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I read somewhere that the doctor and the hospital that first introduced this treatment has become so disgusted by the results that they have ceased providing it.

Former Johns Hopkins Chief of Psychiatry: Transgender Movement 'Collaborating With Madness'
He is quite well known in his field and . His research is old, out of date and he is viewed not very positively for his biases and John Hopkins Hospital have discretely overturned the damage done by him

Long shadow cast by psychiatrist on transgender issues finally recedes at Johns Hopkins
this link is the up to date information
 
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What on earth ???? Global warming is crazy because there's nose counts.... I don't even know what that means or what it has to do with the OP

They make a big deal that XX% of climate scientists believe
in global warming, like percentages affect truth. Same with
the poll about gender or sex in the OP. All they show is that
a majority can be fooled or can fool themselves.
 
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The simplest test for me is what does God call me. He calls me a man and I am that. Maybe this is a harder question for a transexual but genetics and prayer should give an answer and peace. Gender is not a choice. Though we can choose to affirm and clarify our gender with the choices we make
Do you consider genetics to be God's word? What if someone's born with a genetic disorder, do you consider it a sin to treat it?
 
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Do you consider genetics to be God's word? What if someone's born with a genetic disorder, do you consider it a sin to treat it?

Genetics is the best way of establishing the biological sexual identity encoded in a persons body regardless of how things have developed. Indeed if someone mutilated me it would still be clear from my genes that I was a man. That is something no torturer or accident could ever take away from me.

I think that genetic identity is a pretty important starting point for any surgery or hormone treatments or psychotherapy. It is not a choice and not really something anyone can argue with. If treatment affirms that basic God given identity I have no problem with it.
 
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Genetics is the best way of establishing the biological sexual identity encoded in a persons body regardless of how things have developed. Indeed if someone mutilated me it would still be clear from my genes that I was a man. That is something no torturer or accident could ever take away from me.

I think that genetic identity is a pretty important starting point for any surgery or hormone treatments or psychotherapy. It is not a choice and not really something anyone can argue with. If treatment affirms that basic God given identity I have no problem with it.
But sexual identity is encoded in the brain, not in genes. Sex itself is encoded in genes, but sexual identity doesn't always align with it, and in these cases we have transsexual people. Since the brain is the most important part of a person, I think it makes more sense to consider it the starting point.
 
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Do you consider genetics to be God's word? What if someone's born with a genetic disorder, do you consider it a sin to treat it?

Those with actual genetic abnormalities get treatment.
Those with mental disorders do not get the psychological
treatment that they need. They are told they are ok, which
is the cruelest treatment because it's a lie.
 
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But sexual identity is encoded in the brain, not in genes. Sex itself is encoded in genes, but sexual identity doesn't always align with it, and in these cases we have transsexual people. Since the brain is the most important part of a person, I think it makes more sense to consider it the starting point.

That is defining reality as subjective instead of objective.
That isn't how things work. Take another condition, like
anorexia. Should we going to tell them that they're right, at
65 pounds they're fat? Or if someone weighs 350 pounds
at 5 feet tall, that they are not morbidly obese?
 
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I identify as an attack helicopter. Your flesh normative bias is not appreciated.
 
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But sexual identity is encoded in the brain, not in genes. Sex itself is encoded in genes, but sexual identity doesn't always align with it, and in these cases we have transsexual people. Since the brain is the most important part of a person, I think it makes more sense to consider it the starting point.

People who live inside their heads can live in denial of what they feel in their very bones. Most cases of trans sexual identity are to do with this prioritisation of conscious choice over unconscious reality. It is a source of mental illness and deep confusion to live in this kind of denial. In the cases where the very genetic code is unclear then we have eunuchs but these are far rarer. I do not think that the medical profession or psychiatrists should be affirming choice over reality when it comes to gender. This is not just a cosmetic choice as with breast enhancements or penis extensions. It creates new problems , which society in turn is forced to manage, when doctors affirm what is not real.
 
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That is defining reality as subjective instead of objective.
That isn't how things work. Take another condition, like
anorexia. Should we going to tell them that they're right, at
65 pounds they're fat? Or if someone weighs 350 pounds
at 5 feet tall, that they are not morbidly obese?
I don't think it's like that. The brain's biological features are just as objective as genes. A comparison with anorexia doesn't work here, because anorexia is a problem with the brain itself. When it comes to transsexuality, the brain itself is healthy, the body itself is healthy too, they just don't match. There's a way, not perfect yet but getting better, of making the body match the brain. There's no currently known way to do the opposite, and match the brain with the body. And that would introduce new ethical problems, because the brain is the essence of a person, so changing stuff in it can be more questionable than changing the body.


People who live inside their heads can live in denial of what they feel in their very bones. Most cases of trans sexual identity are to do with this prioritisation of conscious choice over unconscious reality. It is a source of mental illness and deep confusion to live in this kind of denial. In the cases where the very genetic code is unclear then we have eunuchs but these are far rarer. I do not think that the medical profession or psychiatrists should be affirming choice over reality when it comes to gender. This is not just a cosmetic choice as with breast enhancements or penis extensions. It creates new problems , which society in turn is forced to manage, when doctors affirm what is not real.
Transsexuality isn't a matter of conscious choice. People don't choose their gender identity.
 
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Three out of four college-educated Democrats seem to believe that a man can be a woman if he just says so, regardless of his biology, genetics, and genitalia, according to a skewed survey conducted by the Pew Research Center. source

I kid you not.
You're quoting Breitbart. I wouldn't believe Bannon if he told me the sun rose in the east.
 
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Three out of four college-educated Democrats seem to believe that a man can be a woman if he just says so, regardless of his biology, genetics, and genitalia, according to a skewed survey conducted by the Pew Research Center.
Their are biological and psychological components to sex and gender. For example, there are certain rare cases in which a person as a child grows a sex organ of the sex opposite to their DNA.

I have male DNA and consider myself male. Good for me, they match. However, not everyone has this condition in which DNA sex matches their psychological sex and/or gender.

Christians generally do not seriously study this topic and, as such, are out of step with the findings of modern science and psychology. Sex is more than DNA.
 
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Christians generally do not seriously study this topic and, as such, are out of step with the findings of modern science and psychology. Sex is more than DNA.

This is one of those cases where you don't need the extra
study to know the truth. All that modern psychology is
doing is to make people crazy and accept that abnormal
is really ok, or even better than normal.

It's like trying to prove that there is no such thing as an
objective reality. Crazy.
 
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