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I hope you are having a blessed day. Today, I have been struggling with thoughts. It has been endless it has been asking me, “Do you love God?” I keep answering yes, but how do I know my love for him is true. I believe so because I pray to my God everyday I try my best to be the best Christian possible. But why do I feel this way, why do I never seem to get relief from the constant doubting? Has anyone else ever felt this way? It is just sucking all the joy out of me I can do anything I enjoy or even read my Bible. I am also getting baptized this Sunday. Why now of all times?
 

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Sounds like anxiety which is pretty natural with the big event looming on the horizon. Just hold on to what you know is true. Can you calm yourself with breathing exercises?
 
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It is known as the eternal inner debate. One part of the brain lives in doubt, the other in peace. It goes back to the creation of Adam-Eve and their choosing to "do it our way" instead of God's Way. You overcame that when you confessed Jesus as Savior, Romans 10:8-13. The old Adam-Eve choice (sinful nature) keeps popping up. However, because you are born again through Jesus Christ, our Savior-Lord, you are blessed with His Spiritual Nature. THAT nature is in tune with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit offers, and you have received, the Whole Armor of God. So what is going on? The old sinful nature keeps trying to disrupt your relationship with Jesus. How do you respond? Prayer and thanksgiving that you are destined to live forever in His Presence. Dwell on that Truth when the sinful nature, the associated brain chemistry, attempts to break through.

Do not neglect medical attention for OCD. Check with a Medical Doctor who is highly skilled in OCD.

My prayers as you lift up your life to Jesus, our Lord.

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I hope you are having a blessed day. Today, I have been struggling with thoughts. It has been endless it has been asking me, “Do you love God?” I keep answering yes, but how do I know my love for him is true. I believe so because I pray to my God everyday I try my best to be the best Christian possible. But why do I feel this way, why do I never seem to get relief from the constant doubting? Has anyone else ever felt this way? It is just sucking all the joy out of me I can do anything I enjoy or even read my Bible. I am also getting baptized this Sunday. Why now of all times?
Praying for you
 
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It is known as the eternal inner debate. One part of the brain lives in doubt, the other in peace. It goes back to the creation of Adam-Eve and their choosing to "do it our way" instead of God's Way. You overcame that when you confessed Jesus as Savior, Romans 10:8-13. The old Adam-Eve choice (sinful nature) keeps popping up. However, because you are born again through Jesus Christ, our Savior-Lord, you are blessed with His Spiritual Nature. THAT nature is in tune with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit offers, and you have received, the Whole Armor of God. So what is going on? The old sinful nature keeps trying to disrupt your relationship with Jesus. How do you respond? Prayer and thanksgiving that you are destined to live forever in His Presence. Dwell on that Truth when the sinful nature, the associated brain chemistry, attempts to break through.

Do not neglect medical attention for OCD. Check with a Medical Doctor who is highly skilled in OCD.

My prayers as you lift up your life to Jesus, our Lord.
Thank you for your advice. Just it seems like I have two inner voices. I try rationalizing them and speaking scripture to them but they won’t leave. It’s frustrating. It makes me feel like I’m false Christian. God bless and thank you for your advice.
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I hope you are having a blessed day. Today, I have been struggling with thoughts. It has been endless it has been asking me, “Do you love God?” I keep answering yes, but how do I know my love for him is true. I believe so because I pray to my God everyday I try my best to be the best Christian possible. But why do I feel this way, why do I never seem to get relief from the constant doubting? Has anyone else ever felt this way? It is just sucking all the joy out of me I can do anything I enjoy or even read my Bible. I am also getting baptized this Sunday. Why now of all times?
I am praying for you, and am so happy about your baptism! I am also someone who struggles with feelings since developing my OCD and depersonalization. I know he loves you, and is drawing you. Keep in the word, keep in fellowship, keep praying no matter what your feelings are.

I have heard a sermon lately about the importance of consistent praying, like the widow in the Bible who made continuous requests. God hears and answers prayers. It might take longer than we would expect, but God's timing is always right.

You are in my prayers. You really helped me when I was going through some very difficult times with my OCD. I'm praying for you!
 
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If the thoughts are intrusive - if you feel like you HAVE to answer them - I would also try the strategy of not answering them. At least, that's what the general technique is for fighting OCD compulsions - ignoring what the fear is telling you to do. Due to my OCD I also had a hard time with baptism, and felt unworthy to be baptized. My parents encouraged me to anyway so I did despite the doubts, even though OCD tried to mess with my head. Although I wish I could have enjoyed the experience more, I'm still glad I did it, because isn't that what fighting OCD is all about? Doing what we know is right, even when OCD tries to get in the way! Praying that you have the wisdom and courage to fight the fear, and that you are able to find peace!
 
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A few verses came to mind when I saw this, as Peter went through exactly what you are going through. I'd like to share those if I may, and a little background for them. When we are baptized into the service of the Lord with the Holy Spirit, we ask Do you love the Lord Jesus Christ? many times. So in that light, here we go.

In John we see Jesus speaking with Peter.
John 13:37 Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.
John 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto three, The [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.
Here we see Peter denying him three times.
John 18:17 Then said the damsel that kept the door unto Peter, Art not thou also one of this man's disciples? He saith, I am not.
John 18:25-27 And Simon Peter stood and warmed himself. They said therefore unto him Art not thou also one of his disciples? He denied it, and said, I am not.
One of the servants of the high priest, being his kinsman whose ear Peter cut off, saith, Did not I see thee in the garden with him?
Peter then denied again: and immediately the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crew.
So after the death and resurrection of Jesus, Jesus is here speaking with Peter again.
John 21:15-17 So when they ha dined, Jesus saith unto Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
He saith unto him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
His past was grieving him. He had denied him three times, so Jesus asked him three times. And always brought back the same question. Do you love Jesus? This is at the heart of what you are preparing to do. Do not doubt, but be assured. Be of good courage. Scriptures tell us to "Repent and be baptized".
He says "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you.."
John 20:27 shows Thomas who doubted Jesus had risen except he saw with his own eyes and felt the wounds!! "Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.”
James 1:15-8 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.
Romans 14:23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.
Mark 4:40 He said to them, “Why are you so afraid? Have you still no faith?”
There is a specific reason that you doubt. If I may at this time, as what is really going on in your mind? When you think about the creator of the universe speaking to you directly, does that not make you happy?
Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.
When I went to my grandparents house, they have a swimming pool 16 x 32ft. Decent size pool. deep end, diving board, etc. I would often ask "is it cold"? And not be swimming. Gram would say to me "jump in". So jump in with both feet.
Acts 8:36 As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, "Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?" You are.
What is really stopping you and causing your doubts? You are. You're letting Satan plant doubt.
Follow in the Lord's path and he will give you joy. It shall be a spring springing up from within.
The devil attempts to sway us from following the straight path. He will try like #&77 to keep you from getting baptized if you have already taken Jesus into your heart. This is doubt. Satan will plant the seed of doubt and watch it grow without doing anything more. Don't doubt what Jesus has done and what he will do. Say the name Jesus Christ and the devil will flee from you. But be of a pure heart. May the Lord help our unbelief. But we must do what he says first and foremost. That is put him first. Love God with all your mind body and soul. To repent and be baptized is following that commandment.
 
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Thank you all for your advice and kind words. There’s something else I would like to ask. Has anyone had these (if I can put them into words), really toxic thoughts about God. Ones that are blasphemous for instance in my heart I know I love my God above all things (for I know he is the one that gave them to me) but there would be an inner voice that says no you don’t or to renounce God. If anyone has experienced this how have you dealt with it
 
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Thank you all for your advice and kind words. There’s something else I would like to ask. Has anyone had these (if I can put them into words), really toxic thoughts about God. Ones that are blasphemous for instance in my heart I know I love my God above all things (for I know he is the one that gave them to me) but there would be an inner voice that says no you don’t or to renounce God. If anyone has experienced this how have you dealt with it

Yes many people have dealt with what you have. They are thoughts that are exalting themselves against the knowledge of GOD that you have to cast down in the name of JESUS. ( 2 Corinthians 10:5 ).
Some people tell you to just let the voices be but it's better to fight them with the WORD of GOD by prayer, fasting , and getting hands laid on you by Holy Spirit filled people. ( Mark 16:17-18 )
The thoughts do leave with time. It's also called OCD Scrupulosity.
 
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Thank you all for your advice and kind words. There’s something else I would like to ask. Has anyone had these (if I can put them into words), really toxic thoughts about God. Ones that are blasphemous for instance in my heart I know I love my God above all things (for I know he is the one that gave them to me) but there would be an inner voice that says no you don’t or to renounce God. If anyone has experienced this how have you dealt with it
This is a very common obsession!! You might want to check out this site, as the author there had that exact same obsession:
Welcome
Oh yeah and check out ocdandchristianity.com too. I'll link to the page that has posts about the "unpardonable sin" (if that's what you're struggling with; if not, check out his other posts, as they're all really helpful and encouraging):
http://ocdandchristianity.com/?page_id=213&paged=6
The basic idea is to treat it as you would other obsessions, using ERP therapy. Ignore the voice that is lying to you, telling you that you do want to think these thoughts. Refuse to do compulsions, things that you do to relieve anxiety (trying to argue with the thoughts, cancel them out, etc.). Your brain wants you to be upset about something, so as long as you are responding to the anxiety it's giving you about this, it will keep sending you more thoughts. When you stop responding, and stop doing what it demands you to (your compulsions), it will slowly stop sending the thoughts. Do you have experience with ERP therapy?
 
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