Matthew 25 Jesus Returns In Final Judgment, Eternal Kingdom

disciple1 · Nov 16, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
Matthew 25:31-46 clearly teaches at the "Second Advent" the Final Judgment and Eternal Kingdom will take place.

"These Shall Go Away Into Everlasting Punishment: But The Righteous Into Life Eternal."

Verses 31-32 Jesus returns in glory with the Holy Angels, the Nations are gathered before the throne. The Final Judgment is seen in verse 46, wicked "Eternal Punishment" righteous "Eternal Life"

Verse 34 The kingdom presented is the "Eternal Life Kingdom"

Matthew 25:31-46KJV
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

The scripture is "Very Clear" at the return of Jesus Christ, the "Final Judgment" and "Eternal Kingdom" takes place

Jesus Christ Is Lord

Truth7t7

Truth7t7 said:
Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Proverbs chapter 10 verse 12
Love covers all wrongs.

1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers a great many sins.

Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.

Truth7t7 · Nov 16, 2017

disciple1 said:
Proverbs chapter 10 verse 12
Love covers all wrongs.

1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers a great many sins.

Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.

Thanks for the reply, however we are discussing Matthew 25:31-46 in the final judgment, eternal kingdom at the return of Jesus

disciple1 · Nov 16, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
Thanks for the reply, however we are discussing Matthew 25:31-46 in the final judgment, eternal kingdom at the return of Jesus

This is what Matthew chapter 25 starting at verse 31 is talking about.

disciple1 said:
Proverbs chapter 10 verse 12
Love covers all wrongs.

disciple1 said:
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers a great many sins.

disciple1 said:
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.

BABerean2 · Nov 16, 2017

disciple1 said:
This is what Matthew chapter 25 starting at verse 31 is talking about.

Mat 25:41　 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:　

Joh 5:27　 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.　
Joh 5:28　 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice　
Joh 5:29　 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.　
Joh 5:30　 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.　

2Ti 4:1　 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:

　
Rev 11:18　 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."　

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Riberra · Nov 16, 2017

BABerean2 said:
Mat 25:41　 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:　

Don't you find it [revealing] that Revelation 19:20 who is about the Coming of Jesus at the Battle of Armageddon Revelation 19:11-21...say that only the Beast and the false prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire when Jesus return...

The other people gathered at Armageddon will be slain by Jesus and the birds will eat their flesh... Revelation 19:21

Revelation 19:20-21
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought the signs in his sight, wherewith he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast and them that worshipped his image: they two were cast alive into the lake of fire that burneth with brimstone:

21 and the rest were killed with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, [even the sword] which came forth out of his mouth: and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Maybe you should take into consideration that the DAY of The Lord will be 1,000 years > as hinted by 2 Peter 3:8...and confirmed by Revelation 20:4-6

Then,after the 1,000 years ,the judgment by fire will come.

2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:7-15
7 And when the thousand years are finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 and shall come forth to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up over the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are also the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 ...
13 ...
14 ...
15 And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

Truth7t7 · Nov 16, 2017

Riberra said:
Don't you find it [revealing] that Revelation 19:20 who is about the Coming of Jesus at the Battle of Armageddon Revelation 19:11-21...say that only the Beast and the false prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire when Jesus return...

The other people gathered Armageddon will be slain by Jesus and the birds will eat their flesh... Revelation 19:21

Revelation 19:20-21
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought the signs in his sight, wherewith he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast and them that worshipped his image: they two were cast alive into the lake of fire that burneth with brimstone:

21 and the rest were killed with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, [even the sword] which came forth out of his mouth: and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Maybe you should take into consideration that the DAY of The Lord will be 1,000 years > as hinted by 2 Peter 3:8...and confirmed by Revelation 20:4-6

Then,after the 1,000 years ,the judgment by fire will come.

2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:7-15
7 And when the thousand years are finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 and shall come forth to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up over the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are also the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 ...
13 ...
14 ...
15 And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

Maybe you should believe Matthew 25:31-46 that clearly teaches Jesus returns with the angels and the final judgment takes place, verse 40 the wicked to the lake of fire, verse 46 the righteous enter eternal life in the eternal kingdom in verse 34

You try the ole human reasoning of the beast and false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire, while Satan isn't?

Of course because they will be living human beings, Satan is a evil spirit, without a human body.

Matthew 25:31-46 & Revelation 20:11-15. Are the same event. the GWT judgment.

Riberra · Nov 16, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
You try the ole human reasoning of the beast and false prophet are cast ali

The final judgment when the wicked will be cast into the lake of fire will happen at The Great White Throne Judgment AFTER the 1,000 years reign of Jesus... that is what the Bible tell us....Revelation 20:7-15

As for the Beast and the false prophet being the TWO first to be cast alive into the Lake of Fire UNTO the coming of Jesus here the Biblical proof

Revelation 19:20-21
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought the signs in his sight, wherewith he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast and them that worshipped his image: they TWO were cast alive into the lake of fire that burneth with brimstone:

21 and the rest were killed with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, [even the sword] which came forth out of his mouth: and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

BABerean2 · Nov 17, 2017

Riberra said:
Don't you find it [revealing] that Revelation 19:20 who is about the Coming of Jesus at the Battle of Armageddon Revelation 19:11-21...say that only the Beast and the false prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire when Jesus return...

Is the word "only" in the text?

I am going to put wood into my woodstove today, but it is not the "only" thing I plan to do today?

Do we have both the "nations" and "the time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18?

Does this agree with 2 Timothy 4:1?

Do you think the Book of Revelation is in chronological order?

Rev 6:15　 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains,　

Rev 19:18　 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great."

Do you think the 7th trumpet is the last trumpet in the Bible?　(Revelation 11:15)

Do the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever" at the 7th trumpet?

How long is "forever"? Is it longer than 1,000 years?

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vinsight4u · Nov 17, 2017

Ronald · Nov 17, 2017

Truth7t7 said:
Matthew 25:31-46 clearly teaches at the "Second Advent" the Final Judgment and Eternal Kingdom will take place.

"These Shall Go Away Into Everlasting Punishment: But The Righteous Into Life Eternal."

Verses 31-32 Jesus returns in glory with the Holy Angels, the Nations are gathered before the throne. The Final Judgment is seen in verse 46, wicked "Eternal Punishment" righteous "Eternal Life"

Verse 34 The kingdom presented is the "Eternal Life Kingdom"

Matthew 25:31-46KJV
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

The scripture is "Very Clear" at the return of Jesus Christ, the "Final Judgment" and "Eternal Kingdom" takes place

Jesus Christ Is Lord

Truth7t7

This speaks of the Great Tribulation, His Second Coming and yes, judgment for the living and the dead. During this time, the "First Resurrection" occurs, but it is not the "final judgment". After the Great Tribulation, there will be a Millennial Kingdom for 1000 years. Then Satan is once again released for a short time to tempt those on earth who were born during this time. This is the 2nd Resurrection and the final White Throne Judgment.
"And I saw thrones, and they sat on them and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea." Rev. 20:4-8
Then in vs. 10 we see the devil is throne into the Lake of Fire and in vs. 14, Death and Hades is throne in as well along with the statement, "This is the second death." Vs. 15 states that everyone not found in the Book of Life is throne into the Lake of Fire (which is Hell) and destroyed. In Chapter 21, we see the New Heaven and Earth, the former heaven and earth have passed away ...
So Judgment Day exists in two phases separated by 1000 years.

vinsight4u · Nov 17, 2017

BABerean2 · Nov 17, 2017

Ronald said:
So Judgment Day exists in two phases separated by 1000 years.

You can only make that work by ignoring Revelation 11:18, which contains both "the nations" and "the time of the judgment of the dead", and rewards and destruction.

You must also ignore Christ returning in "flaming fire" at His return in 2 Thessalonians 1:1-10.

The "first resurrection" found in Revelation chapter 20 is the same first resurrection found in John chapter 5. (John 5:24)

The second resurrection is found in John 5:27-30.
It's timing is found in Revelation 11:18.

Do you think the Book of Revelation is in chronological order?

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Almost there · Nov 17, 2017

SeventyOne said:
We'll have to agree to disagree.

I used to really get into this end times stuff back in the 80's and 90's. I've moved on. It's interesting, but after lurking on a few hundred of these types of threads over the decades, and reading the bible, I've discovered the whole debate is just too similar to arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I used to be "pre-trib" but have leaned mid-trib (pre-wrath) for a couple of decades now. But I'm not married to it. I take prophesy as a warning sign, so I'm watching for the signs and figure that, as a Christian, I'll know them when I see them.

vinsight4u · Nov 17, 2017

vinsight4u · Nov 17, 2017

Truth7t7 · Nov 17, 2017

throughfireytrial said:
What exactly do you mean by second advent of Christ...when He comes again, that is the second coming; His Return. All the holy angels will accompany Him upon that Return and the Judgement will take place...that is the Great Day of the Lord!
Are you dividing up these instances with wide gaps of time between them?

Appears you are new to bible discussion?

The Second Advent, Is The Second Coming

Jesus Christ Will Return immediately after the great tribulation in firey judgment, this earth will be dissolved by his fire 2 peter 3:0-13, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29-30, Malachi 3:2, 1 Corinthians 3:13, then eternity begins

Truth7t7 · Nov 17, 2017

Almost there said:
I used to really get into this end times stuff back in the 80's and 90's. I've moved on. It's interesting, but after lurking on a few hundred of these types of threads over the decades, and reading the bible, I've discovered the whole debate is just too similar to arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I used to be "pre-trib" but have leaned mid-trib (pre-wrath) for a couple of decades now. But I'm not married to it. I take prophesy as a warning sign, so I'm watching for the signs and figure that, as a Christian, I'll know them when I see them.

I think its pretty important, you have many so called christian websites, books, teaching Jesus Christ is going to return to earth and hang out with Mortal Humans for 1000 years in a millennial kingdom, 100% deception!

This will be the future antichrist.

Jesus warned the believer against the teaching of Himself Returning and hanging out on earth? Matthew 24:23-27 "Believe It Not"!

Truth7t7 · Nov 17, 2017

vinsight4u said:
Picture things now and since the beginning of the church as we are charged. judged - by the elect angels - God and Christ. Paul told us about this. But when he told us about the time when Jesus Christ returns to give His reward/at His appearing - Paul left out that we are charged by angels. He shows us that when the church is about to be caught up - we will no longer be judged by a specific set of angels as co-rulers. This is what takes place in Rev. 11 - the 24 elders - elect angels - are no longer going to sit over us as judges. It is announced in heaven that the rulers over the kingdoms of the earth -are become. as in there is a change in the seats of power over the kingdoms as things have been now changed in heaven. Just like Isaiah told us-He will come back as exalted alone. We people see Jesus Christ sitting on the right hand of power/6th seal, the world will not wonder who is Ruler. There will not be angels sitting on seats to judge the world.

Your eschatology is so spread out I cant begin to understand your thought process?

Angels judging, God Judging, different 7th trumps, Jews this and that, on and on around the corner, turn left at the sign, wait for the red light, I'm on the wrong street better turn around, oh no I just ran out of gas?

Ronald · Nov 17, 2017

BABerean2 said:
You can only make that work by ignoring Revelation 11:18, which contains both "the nations" and "the time of the judgment of the dead", and rewards and destruction.

You must also ignore Christ returning in "flaming fire" at His return in 2 Thessalonians 1:1-10.

The "first resurrection" found in Revelation chapter 20 is the same first resurrection found in John chapter 5. (John 5:24)

The second resurrection is found in John 5:27-30.
It's timing is found in Revelation 11:18.

Do you think the Book of Revelation is in chronological order?

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Rev. 11:15 is the first resurrection, the last trumpet, which is #7. So I'm not ignoring that. Rev. 20:1-6 concerns the first judgment and resurrection.
John 5:24 concerns salvation that has existed since Pentecost for anyone who believes in Jesus. Being born again means you "passed from death into life." So this happens when we become Christians. However, verse 25 describes His Second Coming and First Resurrection.
NO, NO, NO, Revelation is not in chronological order. Anyone who reads it that way and tries to understand it will certainly be confused. And this is the main reason why there are so many views of this book. It doesn't work that way. It contains things that were, are and things to come. It goes back and forth, overlaps, is accumulative and repeats certain events with different vantage points for perspective.
John 5:27 -30 concerns the first resurrection.
Stating what you just did, confirms you're one of the many who is confused about the order of events in this book.

Goatee · Nov 17, 2017

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