Desiring to be rich is a snare.

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Im not condemning anyone, its you who have condemned me multiple times. My whole point was simply that desiring wealth is a snare, as its written, and that we should store wealth in heaven not on earth, as its written. Im following the Lords word, you are following solomon, even though God said no one will follow him.
I wasnt talking about you, I was talking about the Pharisee of the bible. In this post and others, you condemn yourself by putting yourself in my posts when I repeatedly tell you that I am talking in general and not about you.......I also repeatedly tell you that I see no fault in anything you believe. I also state that I agree desiring wealth is a snare and gave explanations on why I i know it is true and why it is pointless to desire it.

You have to eat the whole book, not just a few scriptures.....then you will understand. The church in acts only had the Old testament scriptures to read.....
 
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I wasnt talking about you, I was talking about the Pharisee of the bible. In this post and others, you condemn yourself by putting yourself in my posts when I repeatedly tell you that I am talking in general and not about you.......I also repeatedly tell you that I see no fault in anything you believe. I also state that I agree desiring wealth is a snare and gave explanations on why I i know it is true and why it is pointless to desire it.

You have to eat the whole book, not just a few scriptures.....then you will understand. The church in acts only had the Old testament scriptures to read.....
I dont condemn myself, because i follow the Lord. You passive aggression and dishonesty is noted.
 
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I dont condemn myself, because i follow the Lord. You passive aggression and dishonesty is noted.
To the pharisee, Jesus was a blasphemer and worthy of death. I feel no aggression toward you. I have found nothing offensive about anything you have said in the past, nor will I be offended by anything you have to say in the future. But feel free to test that out if you like.
 
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11 God said to Solomon, “Since this is your heart’s desire and you have not asked for wealth, possessions or honor, nor for the death of your enemies, and since you have not asked for a long life but for wisdom and knowledge to govern my people over whom I have made you king, 12 therefore wisdom and knowledge will be given you. And I will also give you wealth, possessions and honor, such as no king who was before you ever had and none after you will have.” 2 Chronicles 1:11-12



Indeed.

You are absolutely correct. God can bless people with earthly wealth and has. Solomon is a great example. But things didn’t turn out so well for king Solomon. And this was because he broke 3 important commandments that Israel’s Kings were instructed not to do.

Only he must not acquire many horses (1 Kings 10:25-29) for himself or cause the people to return to Egypt in order to acquire many horses, since the Lord has said to you, ‘You shall never return that way again.’ And he shall not acquire many wives ( 1 kings 11:1-2) for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold (1 kings 10:14-22)
Deuteronomy 17:16-17

Wealth is a dangerous snare, even for the wisest of men who have blessed by God.
 
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To the pharisee, Jesus was a blasphemer and worthy of death. I feel no aggression toward you. I have found nothing offensive about anything you have said in the past, nor will I be offended by anything you have to say in the future. But feel free to test that out if you like.
Test it out? Its like you're saying that i cant offend you, but go ahead and try anyway?
 
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I do not see where the OP said that having a "big house" and "big bank account" means one cannot be saved.
Exactly. Raymond has repeatedly disagreed with me while saying he is in agreement. As you have noted he actually doesnt even know what the OP says.
 
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To a man who has never had a home....your home would be a mansion. You could have gotten a 400 Sq ft home and gave the rest of the money to the poor. Maybe you feel this is the minimum requirement.........but there are some who are in small homes who say you could do with less. It is all subjective. When we judge...we are immediately judged.....like the bible states.

Our father is rich.....so we shouldnt desire to be rich. Because we are already.....

What you are suggesting is for everyone to remain stationary and do nothing to improve themselves and, by extension, doing nothing to be able to help others more.

The rich dont desire to be rich....because they already are. Only the poor can desire to be rich...... so it seems that you wish for the poor to stay poor.


I want the poor to get everything they want.....and until they are able to realize that they can, I am willing to give it to them.

So are you saying that the devil is the one blessing people with mansions?

God has already given me a mansion. God can only give you what you already have. And to them who have not, even what you think you have will be taken away....

Are you able to give up your WEALTH of knowledge to even consider the "truth"? Or will you treasure it like the rich man treasures and stores his riches in his storehouse?

How would a rich man react to his money, which he worked hard for, being taken away? Now how would you react if someone told you your knowledge was wrong....discrediting the hard work you put into learning and studying what you know? Pretty similar is it not?

Once again you are correct......but dont see yourself in your statements.

Gaining a wealth of knowledge through carnal reasoning of the mind......which cant understand the things of the spirit.......is much worse than gaining material wealth for living in this world.

The leaders and masters of 2000 years ago, had an unmatched wealth of knowledge.....which hindered their ability to accept the message of the Christ.

I agree with Paul. And your posts are flawless, when they entail only scripture with no additions or subtractions...

Those who are always right never considers themselves to be wrong.

Let me ask you a question..... Lets say that I am rich....and I have sons....and like a good father, I give them whatever they ask for, that their joy may be full. I tell them to just say what they want and they will get it.

Do you think that my sons would have a desire to be rich? Do you think that they would have a desire or want for anything....or would they know that everything is theirs already? Now how would it make me feel as their father, knowing that I am rich...and everything i have is theirs......yet they still desire to be rich? How would i feel if they coveted what someone else has under these circumstances?
It would not make any sense whatsoever to desire to be something that you already are, nor to want what someone else has when you have everything already!

And please...dont get mad when someone else gets a party and a fat calf.....because you have everything you want already! My sons would not and need not desire to be rich nor desire to have what anyone else has. And it would upset me as a father to see this.

Now are you a Son? Do you understand why it is important to be content and not desire to be rich? Do we want to anger the Father?

If you read all my posts, you would see that I am against desiring to be rich myself as well. If you read the op'ers post, you would see that he feels being rich is wrong. You can't have a big house and big bank account and be saved. This is what i disagree with. I don't advocate having a lot of money, or a little, I advocate everyone getting the desires of their heart and not being made to feel ashamed about whatever their desires are. Im speaking to the Christian here, whose desires are given by the Lord.

Seek first the kingdom, then all will be added.

Our father is rich, so by default you are as well...If you are a Son. Believeth thou this?
You disagree in many ways, yet you say you dont disagree. Here are your words, i could post many more i suspect but dont feel like reading 10 more pages again
 
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