Fundamentals of the Faith part 18 The coming of Christ to Deliver Israel

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You seem incapable of understanding the nature and operation of wills and testaments.

A New Will and Testament is of significance not only for what it contains, but for what it does not contain.

If a promissory clause in an Old Will and Testament does not re-appear in the New Will and Testament, it is null and void.

Does Ezekiel 36:1-10, or its equivalent, re-appear in the New Will and Testament?

It does not.

It is therefore null and void under the New Will and Testament, which is the only will and testament now in force and effect.

Its promises and bequests to Israel have been replaced by the New Will and Testament promises and bequests in and to Christ the Heir:

Luke 22:20
Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;


If you do not believe that a New Will and Testament completely revokes, nullifies, and voids an Old Will and Testament, then you should contact your lawyer or attorney without delay to determine the ultimate fate and destiny of your own temporal estate.

He or she will set your mind at ease.

This is a direct attack on the reliability of the promises of God.
 
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The question is, then: Who is the House of Israel today?
What if WE are Israelites?
Careful study of Scripture shows that the Lord is a God of order and in His plan for the redemption of His creation, He chose the Israelite peoples. At this stage of history, only He knows exactly who they are. Amos 9:9 The Lord made unconditional promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, that their descendants would be “great nations, as many as the sands of the sea, to be His witnesses and be a light to the nations.” Isaiah 43:10, Acts 13:47

Only the House of Judah [the Jews, a few million] are known at present, the other 10 tribes are lost to general knowledge, as God planned it. All twelve tribes will experience the great awakening as foretold by the prophets. Their blindness will pass away in the spiritual light that will come upon them regarding their identity and their responsibilities as the chosen people of God. Ezekiel 37:14, Romans 9:24-26, 1 Peter 2:9-10
Suppose you are an Israelite? What of it? If I am saved, what difference will it make?

The Scriptures speak of far more than the salvation of the individual. Those who accept the free gift of salvation also have the responsibility of spreading the Gospel [good news] of the coming Kingdom of God. This is being done now and will be done on a greater scale by His people when they go back into the Promised Land. Ezekiel 39:27, Revelation 7:1-14

The Bible presents us with a great volume of information, regarding the origins and history of the various races of mankind, the division of peoples into Israelite {Christian] and Gentile [non Christian] nations. The detailed prophesies of what will happen, then His people’s work for the period leading up to the Return of Jesus and His Millennium Kingdom. Isaiah 49:8

The truth about the Lord’s plan for all who qualify to be Israelite’s is a thread which runs through the whole Bible, every type, promise, Covenant, and act of God, points to the final fulfilment of His planned establishment of a people, all faithful Christian believers who will live in His Land, as He originally intended. Isaiah 62:1-5, Amos 9:13-15 His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10 and the Light to the nations, Isaiah 49:8

Isaiah 51:1-2 Listen to Me, all you who follow after the right, all who seek the Lord: consider the Rock from which you were hewn, the quarry from which you came. Consider Abraham, your father and Sarah who gave you birth, when I called him, he was but one. I blessed him and made him many.
Romans 4:23-24 The words “counted to Abraham as righteousness” apply not only to Abraham, but also to us: our faith, too, is to be counted: our faith in Jesus, raised to life for our justification.

When we go through Scripture and see the many prophecies about the judgement of the nations and the blessings promised to God’s holy people, who are now every faithful Christian believer: from every race nation and language, we see that most are for the “last days”, that is: the short period leading up to the end of this age and before the commencement of the Millennial Kingdom of Jesus. That is for us, upon whom, as Paul says: the end of the age has come.

It is evident that God wants us to be aware of coming events, He sent prophet after prophet, telling in great detail how His plans will unfold. The signs of our times, confirm that their fulfilment is imminent.

The Lord, in His mercy, has given us warning of imminent world changing and shocking happenings. We should be aware of His plans – be ready to rejoice and praise Him for the redemption and restoration of all His people into their heritage of the holy Land.

Your argument would at least have some validity if the only promises made were to the children of Abraham or to Israel. But they completely break down in regard to the sub-nations of Judah and Ephraim, to the twelve tribes of Israel, to the sons of Zadok,and to the houses of David, Nathan Levi, and Shimei.
 
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This is a direct attack on the reliability of the promises of God.
Not according to Him.

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
 
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This is a direct attack on the reliability of the promises of God.

Not according to Him.

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.


God has named all believers in Him, both Jew and Gentile, as heirs, and joint-heirs with Christ.

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


If someone were to name you in his or her will and testament as an heir, with a promised bequest, and then create a new will and testament specifying an even better and larger promised bequest for you; would you consider the testator to be unreliable for failing to deliver upon the original bequest?

Draw the analogy.
 
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Your argument would at least have some validity if the only promises made were to the children of Abraham or to Israel. But they completely break down in regard to the sub-nations of Judah and Ephraim, to the twelve tribes of Israel, to the sons of Zadok,and to the houses of David, Nathan Levi, and Shimei.
I already gave the scripture that says how God shakes Israel among the nations and not one 'grain' will be lost. Amos 9:9
God knows who His people are, the genealogies are kept in heaven and when we live in the holy Land, all will be revealed.
There is also the proof of Isaiah 66:21, where God will choose Levites from among the Christians. Revelation 5:9-10
Your determination to have an ethnic people of God, totally conflicts with the Work of Jesus. John 3:16
 
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This is a direct attack on the reliability of the promises of God.

Gal 6:15 Certainly, it doesn't matter whether a person is circumcised or not. Rather, what matters is being a new creation.
Gal 6:16 Peace and mercy will come to rest on all those who conform to this principle. They are the Israel of God.
(GW)


Jas 1:1  James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. 
Jas 1:2  My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; 
Jas 1:3  Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.



1Ti_1:4  Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


Tit_3:9  But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

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Israel is in blindness -while the Gentiles come in.

That is not what the text says.

If you were correct, then all of the Israelites would be "partially" blinded.
However, we know this is not the case since some modern descendants of Jacob have accepted Christ.
I know some of them, personally.


Instead, part of the Israelites are blinded and part are not blinded.

In Romans 11:1-5 Paul discusses two different groups of Israelites, one faithful and one not.

These same two groups are found throughout the rest of the chapter.

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[QUOTE="BABerean2, post: 71972540, member: 353202"
Gal 6:16 Peace and mercy will come to rest on all those who conform to this principle. They are the Israel of God.
(GW)
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If it were not so serious, it would be amusing, to see someone who makes a great point of others using a translation he does not like, pretending those people are changing scripture, and then quoting a translation that unquestionably does that very thing. For there is absolutely nothing in the Greek text to justify the words "they are" in the last clause above. The Greek text unquestionable says, "kai epi" which literally translates as "and on." There is simply no honest way to interpret "and on" to mean "they are."
 
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[QUOTE="BABerean2, post: 71972540, member: 353202"
Gal 6:16 Peace and mercy will come to rest on all those who conform to this principle. They are the Israel of God.
(GW)

If it were not so serious, it would be amusing, to see someone who makes a great point of others using a translation he does not like, pretending those people are changing scripture, and then quoting a translation that unquestionably does that very thing. For there is absolutely nothing in the Greek text to justify the words "they are" in the last clause above. The Greek text unquestionable says, "kai epi" which literally translates as "and on." There is simply no honest way to interpret "and on" to mean "they are."[/QUOTE]

What is amusing is the condemnation over one passage and then the total ignorance of the passage from James 1:1-3.


How about Peter addressing the crowd as "all the house of Israel" on the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2:36?

And Paul calling himself an Israelite after his conversion, in Romans 11:1?

How about the Old Testament promise of the New Covenant to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13?

Somehow you are able to ignore these passages and then infer that I have not been honest by using the GW translation, which is commonly accepted by many Christians today.
As a matter of fact, one of my fellow Gideons said his reading of the GW translation was a key part of him coming to faith in Christ.


Others viewing our conversation here can clearly see who is being dishonest.

Your doctrine only works by ignoring the New Covenant and the warnings below against genealogies.


1Ti_1:4  Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.



Tit_3:9  But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.


(KJV version)

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The express statements of the Holy Spirit are not my doctrine. They are His doctrine.
The exact meaning of Galatians 6:16 is controversial because those who believe in a rapture to heaven of the Church, MUST maintain a separation between the Church and Israel, or their rapture theory falls apart. They say that the peace and mercy be upon them; applies to the Church, then [also] to the Israel of God.
This interpretation is dubious at best, but when the context of the previous verses, Galatians 6:12-15, is studied, then it is plain that Paul is speaking to all Christians; circumcised or uncircumcised, Jew or Gentile: THEY ARE THE ISRAEL OF GOD.
 
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Some will be surprised at the idea that the coming of Christ to deliver Israel should be presented as a fundamental of the faith. For it is denied by many Christians. And even among those that believe it, most do not consider this doctrine fundamental. But it is fundamental, because it affects the very basic foundations of the Christian faith. There is no doctrine more essential to basic and fundamental Christianity, than the faithfulness of God. Our entire hope is built on the reliability of the word of God, on the fact that we can absolutely trust Him to do as He said. If His promises are not absolutely true and faithful, then we have zero basis for our faith. Without this secure foundation, we have nothing. Indeed, the scriptures themselves say that “If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.” (1 Corinthians 15:19)

Now many, even many real and sincere Christians, think that in the promises of the Old Testament, when God said Israel, He meant “the church.” and when He said “the land,” He meant heaven. And many argue this idea very convincingly. But it neglects one basic thing. And that is that God made these promises to a particular people, to a specific nation. And if He could faithfully tell that nation that He was not really speaking about themselves, but was actually speaking of a different people that would come in the future, He could just as faithfully tell us that the promises He made to us were not really meant for us, but for a different people that would come in the future. If the promises of God are not absolutely true and faithful, then we have no basis for our faith.

These people imagine that the language of Bible prophecy is symbolic, that nothing means what it actually says, but always means something different. And as long as the subject is only prophetic dreams or visions, this has merit. For without a single exception in the entire Bible, every dream or vision which is accompanied by an inspired interpretation, had a meaning entirely different from what had been seen. But that is not the case with explicitly stated promises, or with explicit statements that specific things will happen. A case in point here is a long section of Daniel 11, running from verse 2 through verse 35. This section covers a series of wars that lasted about 150 years, and is so precisely accurate, down to the tiniest detail, that unbelievers argue that its very accuracy proves that it could not have been written before these events took place.

Now many of the people who argue as we have been speaking, are simply ignorant of the way many of these prophecies are stated. They are not aware that many of them are stated in language that cannot even rationally be re-interpreted to mean anything different from what they say. One such case is found in Ezekiel 36, where the “mountains of Israel,” along with “the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate wastes, and the cities that have been forsaken,” (verse 4) are promised that “you shall shoot forth your branches and yield your fruit to My people Israel, for they are about to come. For indeed I am for you, and I will turn to you, and you shall be tilled and sown. I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, all of it; and the cities shall be inhabited and the ruins rebuilt. I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bear young; I will make you inhabited as in former times, and do better for you than at your beginnings. Then you shall know that I am the LORD.” (Ezekiel 36:8-11) Again, Ezekiel 47:13-20 goes so far as to precisely define the future borders of the land of Israel, and the following chapter, Ezekiel 48, defines how this land is to be divided among the twelve tribes of Israel.
You continue to falsely teach that Ezekiel 47 is a earthly Millennial Kingdom, where mortal humans are present living and dying, 100% false.

Ezekiel 47:12 & Revelation 22:1-5 is the very same place, "The Eternal Kingdom"

"The River And Tree Of Life Are Present"


Fruit from the tree every month, leaves of the tree for healing/medicine.

How far will one go in denying this basic scriptural truth?
 
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You continue to falsely teach that Ezekiel 47 is a earthly Millennial Kingdom, where mortal humans are present living and dying, 100% false.

Ezekiel 47:12 & Revelation 22:1-5 is the very same place, "The Eternal Kingdom"

"The River And Tree Of Life Are Present"


Fruit from the tree every month, leaves of the tree for healing/medicine.

How far will one go in denying this basic scriptural truth?
You continue to deny the explicit statements of scripture. :et God be true, and every man a liar.
 
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You continue to falsely teach that Ezekiel 47 is a earthly Millennial Kingdom, where mortal humans are present living and dying, 100% false.
This controversy is another example of the unnecessary bickering that goes on far too much on the eschatological forums.
Firstly this is not a salvation issue, we can comfortably wait in faith for what is prophesied here to unfold.
Then, if common sense is employed, it isn't hard to see that some of Ezekiel 47 must be for Eternity, but the rest of Ezekiel 40-48 is for the time prior to Jesus Returning. This is proved by the fact the now Israelites of God, every faithful Christian, will come to live in all of the holy Land, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, they will build a new Temple, Ezekiel 43:10-12, into which the Shekinah glory of God will come, Ezekiel 43:1-4, and their 'ruler' will make offerings the God in it. Ezekiel 46:12 A ruler who has sons and owns property, Ezekiel 46:16, and is elected by the people, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11

THIS is a fundamental truth of Bible prophecy, God's Plan to have His people in His Land, living as He always wanted us to be. Isaiah 49:8-13, Romans 9:24-26
But as Bible prophecy says: this time will not last for very long, as the rest of the world will have a One World Government, Daniel 7:23, and their leader will come to the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, and make a 7 year peace treaty with us. Daniel 9:27 Probably soon after our incredible victory over Gog and Magog. Joel 2:20 Where the Lord proves His power to us, but is not present physically as yet. Ezekiel 38:23
This treaty is a mistake, Isaiah 28:14-15, and only 3 1/2 years later the leader of the OWG conquers Beulah. Zechariah 14:1-2, Revelation 13:5-8
He sits himself in the Temple, 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and this desecration, Matthew 24:15, triggers the Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls. Those faithful Christians who refused the accede to this treaty, Daniel 11:32, will be taken to a place of safety on earth, Revelation 12:14, until Jesus Returns, when they will be gathered to Him. 1 Thessalonians 4:17, Matthew 24:31
 
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