Found the missing Church of Revelation!

Oseas · Nov 13, 2017

WailingWall said:
REVELATION 19 [7] Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. [8] And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of SAINTS.

Marriage of the Lamb to the Saints

DANIEL 7 [27] And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of THE KINGDOM UNDER THE WHOLE HEAVEN, SHALL BE GIVEN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE SAINTS OF THE MOST HIGH, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

The kingdom given to the Saints

1 CORINTHIANS 1 [2] Unto the CHURCH OF GOD WHICH IS AT CORINTH, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, CALLED TO BE SAINTS, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Church of the Corinthians that are called to be Saints

ROMANS 1 [7] To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, CALLED TO BE SAINTS: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Church of the Romans that are called to be Saints

EPHESIANS 1 [1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, TO THE SAINTS WHICH ARE AT EPHESUS, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

And again, the Ephesians are the Saints of God

COLOSSIANS 1 [1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother, [2] TO THE SAINTS and faithful brethren in Christ WHICH ARE AT COLOSSE: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The church of Colossians are the Saints

REVELATION 13 [3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. [4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, WHO IS LIKE UNTO THE BEAST? WHO IS ABLE TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM? [5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. [6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. [7] And IT WAS GIVEN UNTO HIM TO MAKE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Looky looky! Here we find the beast making war against Gods Saints. If you believe the above scriptures that say the Saints belong to the various churhes you gotta know they have not been raptured as the Rapturist claim. They claim the church will not confront the beast at all. Dilly Dilly!

Waylingwall wrote in the post 1:
>>>Looky looky! Here we find the beast making war against Gods Saints. If you believe the above scriptures that say the Saints belong to the various churches you gotta know they have not been raptured as the Rapturist claim. They claim the church will not confront the beast at all. Dilly Dilly!<<<

Reading the description above, I compare the Churches and their bad guides of this present time of Apocalypse (Pastors, Bishops, Theologians, among others) with Israel under the bad command of Saul: 1Samuel 13:v.5-7 & 17-23

5 And the Philistines gathered themselves together to fight with Israel, thirty thousand chariots, and six thousand horsemen, and people as the sand which is on the sea shore in multitude: and they came up, and pitched in Michmash, eastward from Bethaven.

6 When the men of Israel saw that they were in a strait, (for the people were distressed,) then the people did hide themselves in caves, and in thickets, and in rocks, and in high places, and in pits.

7 And some of the Hebrews went over Jordan to the land of Gad and Gilead. As for Saul, he was yet in Gilgal, and all the people followed him trembling.

17 And the spoilers came out of the camp of the Philistines in THREE companies: one company turned unto the way that leadeth to Ophrah, unto the land of Shual: (THREE companies??? Compare this fact with Revelation/Apocalypse.16:13-14)

18 And another company turned the way to Bethhoron: and another company turned to the way of the border that looketh to the valley of Zeboim toward the wilderness.

19 Now there was no smith found throughout all the land of Israel: for the Philistines said, Lest the Hebrews make them swords or spears:

20 But all the Israelites went down to the Philistines, to sharpen every man his share, and his coulter, and his axe, and his mattock.

21 Yet they had a file for the mattocks, and for the coulters, and for the forks, and for the axes, and to sharpen the goads.

22 So it came to pass in the day of battle, that there was neither Sword nor Spear found in the hand of any of the people that were with Saul and Jonathan: but with Saul and with Jonathan his son was there found. (Very very sad, the people were unprepared to defend themselves and fight against their enemies.

23 And the garrison of the Philistines went out to the passage of Michmash.

Brian Mcnamee · Nov 13, 2017

WailingWall said:
I agree that there will be a gathering of Gods people. After the gathering {in the twinkling of an eye} where are His Saints coming to?

DEUT.30 [3] That THEN THE LORD THY GOD WILL TURN THY CAPTIVITY, AND HAVE COMPASSION UPON THEE, AND WILL RETURN AND GATHER THEE FROM ALL THE NATIONS, WHITHER THE LORD THY GOD HATH SCATTERED THEE.[4] If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, FROM THENCE WILL THE LORD THY GOD GATHER THEE, and from thence will he fetch thee:[5] AND THE LORD THY GOD WILL BRING THEE INTO THE LAND WHICH THY FATHERS POSSESSED, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

When the Lord gathers His Saints they both come to Israel. Not heaven as the rapturist claim

The people of Duet 30 are clearly Israel. God has a specific destiny for Israel and they too will be brought under the new covenant. The church has not replaced Israel. The covenant with Israel and the fathers over the land is an everlasting covenant and the church does not get to inherit that until it is the New Jerusalem and then all the distinctions are done. Psalm 105
Remember His marvelous works which He has done,
His wonders, and the judgments of His mouth,
6 O seed of Abraham His servant,
You children of Jacob, His chosen ones!
7 He is the LORD our God;
His judgments are in all the earth.
8 He remembers His covenant forever,
The word which He commanded, for a thousand generations,
9 The covenant which He made with Abraham,
And His oath to Isaac,
10 And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute,
To Israel as an everlasting covenant,
11 Saying, “To you I will give the land of Canaan
As the allotment of your inheritance,”
12 When they were few in number,
Indeed very few, and strangers in it.

If you remember Luke 1 Zacharias father of John the Baptist spoke by the Holy Spirit of a day when Jesus would be a horn of deliverance for Israel.
luke 1
67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,
70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
Who have been since the world began,
71 That we should be saved from our enemies
And from the hand of all who hate us,
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers
And to remember His holy covenant,
73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
74 To grant us that we,
Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.
I already posted much of Zech 14 and we see the deliverance promised by Zacharias taking place to Israel when Jerusalem was being overrun. We see from this point on that Israel will worship and serve without fear all the days of their lives. In Zechariah 14 we see that on the day the LORD comes they say the LORD is one. This is Jesus coming with His saints. Israel now sees Jesus and the Father as one and God. This is what Paul promised the blindness has come to Israel until...Until that moment. If you see how Zech 14 concludes the nations must now come to Jerusalem to keep the feast of Tabernacles or they get no rain. The distinction between Israel and the nations is there. Many other promises for national Israel are all tied together at this juncture.

keras · Nov 13, 2017

Brian Mcnamee said:
The distinction between Israel and the nations is there. Many other promises for national Israel are all tied together at this juncture.

You ignore Matthew 21:43, where the Kingdom is taken from national Israel and given to a nation who produce the proper fruit. Who are every individual Christian.
Only individual Jews who become Christian are part of the true Israel of God. The rest suffer the fate prophesied in Zechariah 13:7-9 and only a remnant will be saved. Romans 9:27
Your belief of a restoration of ethnic Israel has happened, but they are far from the people God wants in His holy Land. His terrible Day of wrath will clear and cleanse the entire area. Amos 1:1-5, Amos 2:1-5, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18

Oseas · Nov 13, 2017

Servant232 said:
The word day is not in the greek of

Acts 20:7

de en mia Sabbaton = Sabbath

And upon first Sabbath when

CJB
On Motza’ei-Shabbat, when we were gathered to break bread

JUB
And the first of the sabbaths,

1 Cor 16:2

Kata mia Sabbaton

After first Sabbath

Motza'ei Shabbat in the Hebrew culture refers to the time in the evening immediately following Shabbat,

They collected offerings after the sabbath, since handling money, buying and selling on the Sabbath is a no no.

59 times the KJV translates Sabbaton correctly as Sabbath, 9 times as week

Hebrews 4:9

There remains therefore a Sabbatismos for the people of God

Sabbatismos = Keeping Sabbath

Is does not get clearer than this...

There is not ONE single verse that says the Sabbath was changed to the first day of the week, nor does God do anything without first revealing it, where are the prophesies that the Sabbath would change days? 0

Act 18:4

And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

The people of God keep the Sabbath, the people of the pope keep Sunday, the RCC admits to changing the day, they claimed the right to do so by their own authority.
Double OY VEI

You wrote in the post #40:
>>>The people of God keep the Sabbath, the people of the pope keep Sunday, the RCC admits to changing the day, they claimed the right to do so by their own authority<<<

What says the Word of God? Galatians 4:9-11KJV 9
But now (But in the New Testament, evidently), after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. Now, in the New Testament, the believers must not “turn again” or retroact in observe days, even the sabbath. Heb.8:13 KJV says: In that he saith, A New Covenant, he hath made the FIRST old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Hebrews 10:7 & 9 say: - 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume (in the beginning) of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first (the Old Testament), that he may establish the second (the New Testament).

In the light of the above, the believers must look to the Great Sabbath, that is the seventh and last Day, that is the seventh and last millennium, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of the Truth, the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the Millennium of Vengeance, the last Day and Great Sabbath, repit. Mark 2:27-28 - 27 And JESUS said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. Is there any here who knows that we are living in the Great Sabbath? For better understanding here goes six periods (the six days of creation) of biblical times:

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Oseas · Nov 13, 2017

Servant232 said:
The word day is not in the greek of

Acts 20:7

de en mia Sabbaton = Sabbath

And upon first Sabbath when

CJB
On Motza’ei-Shabbat, when we were gathered to break bread

JUB
And the first of the sabbaths,

1 Cor 16:2

Kata mia Sabbaton

After first Sabbath

Motza'ei Shabbat in the Hebrew culture refers to the time in the evening immediately following Shabbat,

They collected offerings after the sabbath, since handling money, buying and selling on the Sabbath is a no no.

59 times the KJV translates Sabbaton correctly as Sabbath, 9 times as week

Hebrews 4:9

There remains therefore a Sabbatismos for the people of God

Sabbatismos = Keeping Sabbath

Is does not get clearer than this...

There is not ONE single verse that says the Sabbath was changed to the first day of the week, nor does God do anything without first revealing it, where are the prophesies that the Sabbath would change days? 0

Act 18:4

And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

The people of God keep the Sabbath, the people of the pope keep Sunday, the RCC admits to changing the day, they claimed the right to do so by their own authority.

Double OY VEI

continuation of above

Based in the Word of God, the source of the truth, on God's six days of creation and one day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years (Psalm 90:4; II Pet. 3:8; Heb. 4:4) so MANKIND will go through six God days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).

In accord biblical Chronology, we can number our days, beginning in Genesis chap.5, as follow::
Adam lived …............................130 yrs and begat Seth
Seth lived ................................105 yrs and begat Enosh;
Enosh lived ............................... 90 yrs and begat Kenan;
Kenan lived................................70 yrs and begat Mahalalel;
Mahalalel lived ...........................65 yrs and begat Jared;
Jared lived ...............................162 yrs and begat Enoch;
Enoch lived .................................65 yrs and begat Methuselah;
Methuselah lived........................187 yrs and begat Lamech;
Lamech lived .............................182 yrs and begat Noah;
From Noah´s birth until the Flood...600 yrs.
Total of yrs from Adam to the Flood=1,656 yrs.

I work with the Word of God. Notice that the table above is proved by the Word of God, it is not of human theories or human speculations. Let us study the times until our days not by human theories and speculations, but by the Word of God. So, see the table below:

PERIODS OF BIBLICAL TIMES ----------------------- DURATION
I - From Adam until the Flood------------------- ----- 1,656 years (as was showed above)
II - From the Flood until Abraham---------------------- 427 years
III - From Abraham until Exodus------------------- -----430 years
IV - From Exodus until king Saul ------------------------ 396 years
V - From Saul until the fall of Jerusalem --------------- 508 years
VI - From the fall of Jerusalem until Jesus ------------- 587 years
Thus, from Adam until the 1st coming of Jesus ------ 4,004 years
From Jesus until our days (Christian Calendar)------- 2,017 years
Total from Adam until our days ------------------------- 6,021 years

Jesus came in the fourth Day or around 4.000 years after the creation of the first Adam. From JESUS (fourth Day) until our days, have passed more two Days, totalizing 6 complete Days or six milleniums, or around 6.000 years, more precisely 6.017 years, conform Christian Calendar pointing 2.017 years. We have entered in the first century of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, that is the Great Sabbath, the Millennium of Christ, that is the Millennium of Truth, the Day of the Lord, and the Day of Vengeance, and the Day of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ. The world of Devil is already Judged, and Condemned, and now, in this seventh and last millennium, will be punished, there will be punishment, only and only punishment, in this last Day, the Day of the Lord JESUS, King of the kings and LORD of the lords.

And God Father already entered in His rest, as He had planned in the beginning of His works, but He is not sleeping, of course, and JESUS assume the government of the Universe. JESUS is now sat on His Tribunal, the Judgment Seat of Christ, to Judge all nations, taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not His gospel, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power.

The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever. (Rev.11:15) 17 We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

In the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord (the Kingdom of God) will be established in the top of the mountains, and it will be exalted above the hills; and people will flow unto it. And many nations will come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

The kingdom of God comes not with observation, neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. (Rev.12:7-11) And there was war in heaven (heaven(s) is not the physical space of the Universe-(sky), but celestial place(s) in Christ or Dispensations as is written in Eph.1:v.3) : Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And they (Michael and his angels) overcame him (overcome Satan and his angels) by the blood of the Lamb (by the blood of JESUS), and by the word of their testimony; and they, loved not their lives unto the death.

Servant232 · Nov 13, 2017

Oseas said:
continuation of above

Based in the Word of God, the source of the truth, on God's six days of creation and one day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years (Psalm 90:4; II Pet. 3:8; Heb. 4:4) so MANKIND will go through six God days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).

In accord biblical Chronology, we can number our days, beginning in Genesis chap.5, as follow::
Adam lived …............................130 yrs and begat Seth
Seth lived ................................105 yrs and begat Enosh;
Enosh lived ............................... 90 yrs and begat Kenan;
Kenan lived................................70 yrs and begat Mahalalel;
Mahalalel lived ...........................65 yrs and begat Jared;
Jared lived ...............................162 yrs and begat Enoch;
Enoch lived .................................65 yrs and begat Methuselah;
Methuselah lived........................187 yrs and begat Lamech;
Lamech lived .............................182 yrs and begat Noah;
From Noah´s birth until the Flood...600 yrs.
Total of yrs from Adam to the Flood=1,656 yrs.

I work with the Word of God. Notice that the table above is proved by the Word of God, it is not of human theories or human speculations. Let us study the times until our days not by human theories and speculations, but by the Word of God. So, see the table below:

PERIODS OF BIBLICAL TIMES ----------------------- DURATION
I - From Adam until the Flood------------------- ----- 1,656 years (as was showed above)
II - From the Flood until Abraham---------------------- 427 years
III - From Abraham until Exodus------------------- -----430 years
IV - From Exodus until king Saul ------------------------ 396 years
V - From Saul until the fall of Jerusalem --------------- 508 years
VI - From the fall of Jerusalem until Jesus ------------- 587 years
Thus, from Adam until the 1st coming of Jesus ------ 4,004 years
From Jesus until our days (Christian Calendar)------- 2,017 years
Total from Adam until our days ------------------------- 6,021 years

Jesus came in the fourth Day or around 4.000 years after the creation of the first Adam. From JESUS (fourth Day) until our days, have passed more two Days, totalizing 6 complete Days or six milleniums, or around 6.000 years, more precisely 6.017 years, conform Christian Calendar pointing 2.017 years. We have entered in the first century of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, that is the Great Sabbath, the Millennium of Christ, that is the Millennium of Truth, the Day of the Lord, and the Day of Vengeance, and the Day of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ. The world of Devil is already Judged, and Condemned, and now, in this seventh and last millennium, will be punished, there will be punishment, only and only punishment, in this last Day, the Day of the Lord JESUS, King of the kings and LORD of the lords.

And God Father already entered in His rest, as He had planned in the beginning of His works, but He is not sleeping, of course, and JESUS assume the government of the Universe. JESUS is now sat on His Tribunal, the Judgment Seat of Christ, to Judge all nations, taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not His gospel, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power.

The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever. (Rev.11:15) 17 We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

In the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord (the Kingdom of God) will be established in the top of the mountains, and it will be exalted above the hills; and people will flow unto it. And many nations will come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

The kingdom of God comes not with observation, neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. (Rev.12:7-11) And there was war in heaven (heaven(s) is not the physical space of the Universe-(sky), but celestial place(s) in Christ or Dispensations as is written in Eph.1:v.3) : Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And they (Michael and his angels) overcame him (overcome Satan and his angels) by the blood of the Lamb (by the blood of JESUS), and by the word of their testimony; and they, loved not their lives unto the death.

In Hosea 5:15 The Speaker is YHWH, And He says that He shall go and return to His Place

15 I will go and return to My place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek My face: in their affliction they will seek Me early.

When did YHWH leave His Place which is in Heaven, and what is their offense. ('Their' in context is referring to Ephraim and Judah)

The Word of YHWH left His place when He took upon the form of man .

Present active particle: "being" form God - took upon flesh and dwelt among us. Philippians 2:6 - John 1:14

What was the offense of Judah, They knew not the time of their visitation even until today. Luke 19:44 -

The offense of Ephraim, he thinks that the Torah is Strange and doesn't keep it, pays no attention to it at all Hosea 8:12 The prodigal Son in the parable that took his inheritance (The free gift of Salvation in YESHUA) and ended up living with the swine, and one day as a body will come to their senses, but only by tribulation, because He tried every other way... And they will return to the Father ... And the Elder son Judah, who remained faithful to the Commandments will complain, But the Father reminds him that all that He has is Already His anyways. Hosea 11:12

Hosea 5 ends at the 15th verse

2000 years

Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return unto YHWH: for He hath torn, and He will heal us; He hath smitten, and He will bind us up.

2 After two days He will revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight.

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with Ha Adonai as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

YHWH said that He would return to His Place for two thousand years, and during the affliction (The great Tribulation) His people will seek Him.

The third day is the millennium

When the redeemed shall live in His sight. and many will learn the Torah, and will keep His Ways, and walk on His Path Isaiah 2:3

~~~

There is another timeline worth noting and that one is found in Ezekiel 4:5 ~ In this verse Ezekiel is instructed to lay on His side for "The House of Israel for 390 days", and in the verse each day is going to represents one year ~ In Leviticus 26:18 and 3 other times in that chapter YHWH repeats, If you do not repent, your punishment will be increased seven times.

390*7 = 2730 Years

The last remnants of the House of Israel (The 10 Tribes) were taken away as a people from the land captive, exiled out of His House in 721 BC and have yet to return.

721+2009 = 2730 Years

History is Prophecy

Isa 38:5

Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith YHWH, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.

2009+15 = 2024

Together with

Returning to His Place for Two days ~ 2000 years

Approx 30 AD He Ascends back into Heaven

+2000 years

2030

Unless those days are shortened no flesh would survive.... hence sooner

The Day of YHWH, the millennial reign, the messianic era is when the redeemed shall live in His sight, and that will last for 1000 years, and at the end of that time the heavens and earth will be re-newed by fervent heat.

Blessed and Holy are those that are in the First Resurrection which occurs 1000 years before the Second. By Keeping the Sabbath they are a shadow of the Seventh day...

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with Ha Adonai as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

10
But the day of YHWH will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

The Day of YHWH will last for 1000 years, Peter Just said don't be Ignorant about this - All Biblical days begin at evening, the seventh day begins in Tribulation and when the morning star arises and The Kingdoms of this world become the Kingdom of Adonai YESHUA. The Covenant of Peace will be on the earth. Ezekiel 37:26

We have not entered into the seventh day, the affliction, the evil, Jacob's trouble, the dark and cloudy day, a time such has never been or will occur after.... Not there Yet

The timelines are not a prediction for any date or year, but are part of the framework by which what is to come might be better understood...

Oseas · Nov 14, 2017

Servant232 said:
In Hosea 5:15 The Speaker is YHWH, And He says that He shall go and return to His Place

15 I will go and return to My place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek My face: in their affliction they will seek Me early.

When did YHWH leave His Place which is in Heaven, and what is their offense. ('Their' in context is referring to Ephraim and Judah)

The Word of YHWH left His place when He took upon the form of man .

Present active particle: "being" form God - took upon flesh and dwelt among us. Philippians 2:6 - John 1:14

What was the offense of Judah, They knew not the time of their visitation even until today. Luke 19:44 -

The offense of Ephraim, he thinks that the Torah is Strange and doesn't keep it, pays no attention to it at all Hosea 8:12 The prodigal Son in the parable that took his inheritance (The free gift of Salvation in YESHUA) and ended up living with the swine, and one day as a body will come to their senses, but only by tribulation, because He tried every other way... And they will return to the Father ... And the Elder son Judah, who remained faithful to the Commandments will complain, But the Father reminds him that all that He has is Already His anyways. Hosea 11:12

Hosea 5 ends at the 15th verse

2000 years

Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return unto YHWH: for He hath torn, and He will heal us; He hath smitten, and He will bind us up.

2 After two days He will revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight.

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with Ha Adonai as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

YHWH said that He would return to His Place for two thousand years, and during the affliction (The great Tribulation) His people will seek Him.

The third day is the millennium

When the redeemed shall live in His sight. and many will learn the Torah, and will keep His Ways, and walk on His Path Isaiah 2:3

~~~

There is another timeline worth noting and that one is found in Ezekiel 4:5 ~ In this verse Ezekiel is instructed to lay on His side for "The House of Israel for 390 days", and in the verse each day is going to represents one year ~ In Leviticus 26:18 and 3 other times in that chapter YHWH repeats, If you do not repent, your punishment will be increased seven times.

390*7 = 2730 Years

The last remnants of the House of Israel (The 10 Tribes) were taken away as a people from the land captive, exiled out of His House in 721 BC and have yet to return.

721+2009 = 2730 Years

History is Prophecy

Isa 38:5

Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith YHWH, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.

2009+15 = 2024

Together with

Returning to His Place for Two days ~ 2000 years

Approx 30 AD He Ascends back into Heaven

+2000 years

2030

Unless those days are shortened no flesh would survive.... hence sooner

The Day of YHWH, the millennial reign, the messianic era is when the redeemed shall live in His sight, and that will last for 1000 years, and at the end of that time the heavens and earth will be re-newed by fervent heat.

Blessed and Holy are those that are in the First Resurrection which occurs 1000 years before the Second. By Keeping the Sabbath they are a shadow of the Seventh day...

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with Ha Adonai as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

10
But the day of YHWH will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

The Day of YHWH will last for 1000 years, Peter Just said don't be Ignorant about this - All Biblical days begin at evening, the seventh day begins in Tribulation and when the morning star arises and The Kingdoms of this world become the Kingdom of Adonai YESHUA. The Covenant of Peace will be on the earth. Ezekiel 37:26

We have not entered into the seventh day, the affliction, the evil, Jacob's trouble, the dark and cloudy day, a time such has never been or will occur after.... Not there Yet

The timelines are not a prediction for any date or year, but are part of the framework by which what is to come might be better understood...

You wrote: >>>The Word of YHWH left His place when He took upon the form of man . Present active particle: "being" form God - took upon flesh and dwelt among us<<<

Yes, In the beginning (in JESUS) was the Word, and the Word was God, the Word was with God, and the same (the Word) was in the beginning (in JESUS) with God. JESUS said: I and my Father are One, being the brightness of God's glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high. for it pleased the Father that in Him (in JESUS) should all fulness dwell;
And, having made peace through the blood of His cross and by Him to reconcile all things unto himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. All things were made by Him (by/through JESUS); and without Him (without JESUS) was not any thing made that was made.
He, JESUS, came unto His own (Israel), and His own(Israel) received Him not. But as many as received Him (Jewish and Gentiles), to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name, for there is not salvation in any other: for there is none other NAME under heaven (beyond JESUS) given among men, whereby we must be saved. Exodus 6:3 reveals: I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JESUS was I not known to them.
Genesis 1:1-4
1 In the beginning (in JESUS) God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God (the Word) moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
John 12:46 - I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness

Brian Mcnamee · Nov 14, 2017

keras said:
You ignore Matthew 21:43, where the Kingdom is taken from national Israel and given to a nation who produce the proper fruit. Who are every individual Christian.
Only individual Jews who become Christian are part of the true Israel of God. The rest suffer the fate prophesied in Zechariah 13:7-9 and only a remnant will be saved. Romans 9:27
Your belief of a restoration of ethnic Israel has happened, but they are far from the people God wants in His holy Land. His terrible Day of wrath will clear and cleanse the entire area. Amos 1:1-5, Amos 2:1-5, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18

Hi I am in much agreement with you on all your quotes as that is true the Israel that is saved is a remnant refined in the fire which I did note that they would be those saying in that day the LORD is one. Confessing Jesus and the Father are God in Zech 14. The distinctions between Israel as a future nation and one that is saved, under the new covenant are many so God is not contradicting himself when he promises in many places this millennial destiny for Israel. God did indeed scatter Israel and wipe them out and yet has brought them back as Ezekiel promised with a heart of stone these dead bones do now live.

Isaiah 61 Is broken into two sections and Jesus quoted the 1st portion in the gospels declaring His mission. The 2nd portion is speaking of the same person and declares the purpose for the day of vengeance of God.
The context is those in Zion and the ruins of many generations is to be built up they are the planting of the LORD and a contrast again with the Gentiles means both Jew and Gentile exist still.

To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,
And the day of vengeance of our God;
To comfort all who mourn,
3 To console those who mourn in Zion,
To give them beauty for ashes,
The oil of joy for mourning,
The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
That they may be called trees of righteousness,
The planting of the LORD, that He may be glorified.”
4 And they shall rebuild the old ruins,
They shall raise up the former desolations,
And they shall repair the ruined cities,
The desolations of many generations.
5 Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks,
And the sons of the foreigner
Shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
6 But you shall be named the priests of the LORD,
They shall call you the servants of our God.
You shall eat the riches of the Gentiles,
And in their glory you shall boast.
7 Instead of your shame you shall have double honor,
And instead of confusion they shall rejoice in their portion.
Therefore in their land they shall possess double;
Everlasting joy shall be theirs.
8 “For I, the LORD, love justice;
I hate robbery for burnt offering;
I will direct their work in truth,
And will make with them an everlasting covenant.
9 Their descendants shall be known among the Gentiles,
And their offspring among the people.
All who see them shall acknowledge them,
That they are the posterity whom the LORD has blessed.”
10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD,
My soul shall be joyful in my God;
For He has clothed me with the garments of salvation,
He has covered me with the robe of righteousness,
As a bridegroom decks himself with ornaments,
And as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.
11 For as the earth brings forth its bud,
As the garden causes the things that are sown in it to spring forth,
So the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.

I have shown how Luke 1 Zacharias and Zech 14 dovetail and here Isiaah is speaking of the day of vengeance and what is accomplished it is a day of mourning and Zech 12 shown this mourning taking place associated with the return of Jesus.

zech 12
0 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. 11 In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo.[fn] 12 And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; 13 the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves; 14 all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves.

Hosea 3 promised Israel would have a king again after many days without one and associated the return of the kingdom with the return of David also at a time when Israel has gone many days without the sacrifice. In Rev and Daniel we see the return of the sacrifice is associated with the abomination of desolation which is midway in the 7 year tribulation. We see the preparations for this already accomplished now. The return of the kingdom in Israel is congruent with the rest of the Bible which maintains these distinctions throughout the 1000 years.

Revealing Times · Nov 14, 2017

WailingWall said:
REVELATION 19 [7] Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. [8] And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of SAINTS.

Marriage of the Lamb to the Saints

DANIEL 7 [27] And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of THE KINGDOM UNDER THE WHOLE HEAVEN, SHALL BE GIVEN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE SAINTS OF THE MOST HIGH, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

The kingdom given to the Saints

1 CORINTHIANS 1 [2] Unto the CHURCH OF GOD WHICH IS AT CORINTH, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, CALLED TO BE SAINTS, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Church of the Corinthians that are called to be Saints

ROMANS 1 [7] To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, CALLED TO BE SAINTS: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Church of the Romans that are called to be Saints

EPHESIANS 1 [1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, TO THE SAINTS WHICH ARE AT EPHESUS, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

And again, the Ephesians are the Saints of God

COLOSSIANS 1 [1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother, [2] TO THE SAINTS and faithful brethren in Christ WHICH ARE AT COLOSSE: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The church of Colossians are the Saints

REVELATION 13 [3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. [4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, WHO IS LIKE UNTO THE BEAST? WHO IS ABLE TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM? [5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. [6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. [7] And IT WAS GIVEN UNTO HIM TO MAKE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Looky looky! Here we find the beast making war against Gods Saints. If you believe the above scriptures that say the Saints belong to the various churhes you gotta know they have not been raptured as the Rapturist claim. They claim the church will not confront the beast at all. Dilly Dilly!

The problem with this is the presentation is flawed because of the "LACK OF INFORMATION" you provide. You do not allow for the Raptured Saints in Heaven, Marrying the Lamb in Rev. 19, which happens before Rev. ch. 6 or Rev. ch. 13, to be a separate entity than the Saints on Earth, even though both are Saints, the ones in Heaven have received their New Bodies and are thus immortal, the Saints in Rev. ch. 13 are still Humans.

Look at it like this. The Saints are two-fold on the earth, they are the WOMAN (Israel) in Rev. chapter 12 and they are also the REMNANT (small part that's left of the Church) of those that keep the Commandments of Jesus Christ, who was the PROMISED SEED !!

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon (Satan via the Anti-Christ) was wroth(Angry) with the woman (Israel/He could not get at her, God PROTECTED HER), and went to make war with the remnant (CHURCH) of her seed (Jesus was the PROMISED SEED), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So the Church is Raptured, and thus the people who give their lives unto Christ afterwards CAN NOT be the full Church, we are in Heaven at that time, thus they are the REMNANT of he Church.

Ever wonder why one is PROTECTED and the other IS NOT? Because one is the WOMAN (Israel) and God has promised Abraham to keep a seed unto him forever, 2/3 are killed, 1/3 are protected thus says Zechariah, and Jesus RULES from Jerusalem/Israel for 1000 year reign. The Jews in America and other places are not protected either, just like the REMNANT of the Church. Israeli Jews have to Flee unto the Wilderness (Probably Petra) where God protects them. By this time Israel have repented (As the 70 Week Prophecy says thy will), they have accepted Jesus as their Messiah or they wouldn't have heeded his voice to FLEE JUDEA. Besides Malachi 4:5-6 says they turn back to God before the DOTL.

1. So we have the Saints in Heaven with IMMORTAL BODIES.

2. We have the Israeli Saints on earth whom God PROTECTS HIMSELF (Eagles Wings) in Petra.

3. And we have the REMNANT Church Saints on earth who are the 5 Virgins that missed the Wedding because they tarried and did not fill their Lanterns (Bodies) with Oil (Holy Spirit) and thus they had the doors closed unto them. They become the BEHEADED Saints of Rev. 20:4 that RULE with Christ 1000 years. And both Jews and the Church are the Martyred Saints under the Alter in Seal #5.

Servant232 · Nov 14, 2017

Oseas said:
You wrote: >>>The Word of YHWH left His place when He took upon the form of man . Present active particle: "being" form God - took upon flesh and dwelt among us<<<

Yes, In the beginning (in JESUS) was the Word, and the Word was God, the Word was with God, and the same (the Word) was in the beginning (in JESUS) with God. JESUS said: I and my Father are One, being the brightness of God's glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high. for it pleased the Father that in Him (in JESUS) should all fulness dwell;
And, having made peace through the blood of His cross and by Him to reconcile all things unto himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. All things were made by Him (by/through JESUS); and without Him (without JESUS) was not any thing made that was made.
He, JESUS, came unto His own (Israel), and His own(Israel) received Him not. But as many as received Him (Jewish and Gentiles), to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name, for there is not salvation in any other: for there is none other NAME under heaven (beyond JESUS) given among men, whereby we must be saved. Exodus 6:3 reveals: I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JESUS was I not known to them.
Genesis 1:1-4
1 In the beginning (in JESUS) God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God (the Word) moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
John 12:46 - I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness

YESHUA said that He was laying down His Life for Two Folds, The Little Flock ~ The House of Judah and the other sheep - The house of Israel.

John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be One fold, and One Shepherd.

John 11:45
And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,

John 11:50
Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that YESHUA should die for that nation (The House of Judah);

52
And not for that nation only, but that also He should gather together in One the children of Elohim that were scattered abroad.

James 1:1
Jacob, a servant of Elohim and of the Adonai YESHUA Mashiach, To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

1 Peter 1:1
Peter, an apostle of YESHUA Mashiach, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

Mat 15:24
But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

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Gen 48:19
And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed (Ephraim) shall become fulness of the nations.

melo ha goyim

melo - 1. fulness, that which fills

goyim - 1. nations, people

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the nations be come in.

Plērōma - fulness, that which fills

Ethnos - people, nations

Eze 37:22

And I will make them One goy in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and One King shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two goyim, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

~

Say unto them, Thus saith Adonai YHWH; Behold, I will take The stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with The stick of Judah, and make them One stick, and they shall be One in mine hand. Eze 37:19

The Fulness of the people = Israel - When the stick of Joseph comes in.

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Gal 3:29
And if you be Messiah's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Isa 41:8
But thou, Israel, are My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham My friend.

In Messiah the believer is Israel.

Eph 2:11
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past (Ethnos) *People in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the *Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

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That at that time ye were without Messiah, being aliens from the Citizenship of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

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Isa 44:5

One shall say, I am YHWH'S; and another shall call by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe his hand unto YHWH, and surname by the name of Israel.

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Ethnos = People, Nations

Goyim = People, Nations

The word 'Gentile' is an Interpretation, not a translation, based upon pre-conceived notions.

The word 'church' is a translation of the greek word circe, and that word isn't in the Bible

The word 'eklessia' "called out assembly" the word that has been translated as church has the same meaning as the Hebrew word Kahol

Acts 7:38
This is he, that was in the Ekklesia/Assembly in the wilderness with The Angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received The Lively Oracles to give unto us:

Oseas · Nov 14, 2017

Servant232 said:
In Hosea 5:15 The Speaker is YHWH, And He says that He shall go and return to His Place

15 I will go and return to My place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek My face: in their affliction they will seek Me early.

When did YHWH leave His Place which is in Heaven, and what is their offense. ('Their' in context is referring to Ephraim and Judah)

The Word of YHWH left His place when He took upon the form of man .

Present active particle: "being" form God - took upon flesh and dwelt among us. Philippians 2:6 - John 1:14

What was the offense of Judah, They knew not the time of their visitation even until today. Luke 19:44 -

The offense of Ephraim, he thinks that the Torah is Strange and doesn't keep it, pays no attention to it at all Hosea 8:12 The prodigal Son in the parable that took his inheritance (The free gift of Salvation in YESHUA) and ended up living with the swine, and one day as a body will come to their senses, but only by tribulation, because He tried every other way... And they will return to the Father ... And the Elder son Judah, who remained faithful to the Commandments will complain, But the Father reminds him that all that He has is Already His anyways. Hosea 11:12

Hosea 5 ends at the 15th verse

2000 years

Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return unto YHWH: for He hath torn, and He will heal us; He hath smitten, and He will bind us up.

2 After two days He will revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight.

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with Ha Adonai as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

YHWH said that He would return to His Place for two thousand years, and during the affliction (The great Tribulation) His people will seek Him.

The third day is the millennium

When the redeemed shall live in His sight. and many will learn the Torah, and will keep His Ways, and walk on His Path Isaiah 2:3

~~~

There is another timeline worth noting and that one is found in Ezekiel 4:5 ~ In this verse Ezekiel is instructed to lay on His side for "The House of Israel for 390 days", and in the verse each day is going to represents one year ~ In Leviticus 26:18 and 3 other times in that chapter YHWH repeats, If you do not repent, your punishment will be increased seven times.

390*7 = 2730 Years

The last remnants of the House of Israel (The 10 Tribes) were taken away as a people from the land captive, exiled out of His House in 721 BC and have yet to return.

721+2009 = 2730 Years

History is Prophecy

Isa 38:5

Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith YHWH, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.

2009+15 = 2024

Together with

Returning to His Place for Two days ~ 2000 years

Approx 30 AD He Ascends back into Heaven

+2000 years

2030

Unless those days are shortened no flesh would survive.... hence sooner

The Day of YHWH, the millennial reign, the messianic era is when the redeemed shall live in His sight, and that will last for 1000 years, and at the end of that time the heavens and earth will be re-newed by fervent heat.

Blessed and Holy are those that are in the First Resurrection which occurs 1000 years before the Second. By Keeping the Sabbath they are a shadow of the Seventh day...

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with Ha Adonai as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

10
But the day of YHWH will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

The Day of YHWH will last for 1000 years, Peter Just said don't be Ignorant about this - All Biblical days begin at evening, the seventh day begins in Tribulation and when the morning star arises and The Kingdoms of this world become the Kingdom of Adonai YESHUA. The Covenant of Peace will be on the earth. Ezekiel 37:26

We have not entered into the seventh day, the affliction, the evil, Jacob's trouble, the dark and cloudy day, a time such has never been or will occur after.... Not there Yet

The timelines are not a prediction for any date or year, but are part of the framework by which what is to come might be better understood...

You quoted: >>>Hosea 6:2 After two days He will revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight. 2 Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with Ha Adonai as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.<<<

Let's analyze deeply at the light of the verses above:
JESUS went up to Jerusalem in the Jews's passover and found, in the temple, those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting. Then JESUS made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables and said unto them: Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise. (It is interesting to note that today the whole Jerusalem is full of idolatries and witcheries, and the whole nation of Israel is envolved spiritually in a great prostitution as always was in)

Having JESUS expelled the sellers from the temple, the Jews said to Him:"What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?" JESUS answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. But he spake of the temple of his body (that is His Church with the saved, Jews and Gentiles, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances(Eph.2:14-15).

In fulfilment of the prophecy of Hoseas 6:2, JESUS said to the Jews: "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up", we are not ignorant of this thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one Day, so we are living exactly in the beginning of the first century of the third Day A.C. Thus, be we sure that, this prophecy of JESUS, will fulfil itself literally from now ahead, for the third Day has arrived. Moreover, from Adam until today have passed 6 complete Days, so we have entered in the bginning of the first century of the seventh and last millennium, the last Day, that is the Millennium of Christ, and the Millennium of Truth, and the Millenium of Judgment of all nations, inclusive Israel, that is the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the Millenium of Vengeance. See the table above, posted in the message #45.
Exodus 19:10-11
10 And the Lord said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,
11 And be ready against the third Day: for the third Day the Lord will come down in the sight of all the people ...
He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit sayis unto the churches.

Oseas · Nov 14, 2017

Servant232 said:
In Hosea 5:15 The Speaker is YHWH, And He says that He shall go and return to His Place

15 I will go and return to My place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek My face: in their affliction they will seek Me early.

When did YHWH leave His Place which is in Heaven, and what is their offense. ('Their' in context is referring to Ephraim and Judah)

The Word of YHWH left His place when He took upon the form of man .

Present active particle: "being" form God - took upon flesh and dwelt among us. Philippians 2:6 - John 1:14

What was the offense of Judah, They knew not the time of their visitation even until today. Luke 19:44 -

The offense of Ephraim, he thinks that the Torah is Strange and doesn't keep it, pays no attention to it at all Hosea 8:12 The prodigal Son in the parable that took his inheritance (The free gift of Salvation in YESHUA) and ended up living with the swine, and one day as a body will come to their senses, but only by tribulation, because He tried every other way... And they will return to the Father ... And the Elder son Judah, who remained faithful to the Commandments will complain, But the Father reminds him that all that He has is Already His anyways. Hosea 11:12

Hosea 5 ends at the 15th verse

2000 years

Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return unto YHWH: for He hath torn, and He will heal us; He hath smitten, and He will bind us up.

2 After two days He will revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight.

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with Ha Adonai as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

YHWH said that He would return to His Place for two thousand years, and during the affliction (The great Tribulation) His people will seek Him.

The third day is the millennium

When the redeemed shall live in His sight. and many will learn the Torah, and will keep His Ways, and walk on His Path Isaiah 2:3

~~~

There is another timeline worth noting and that one is found in Ezekiel 4:5 ~ In this verse Ezekiel is instructed to lay on His side for "The House of Israel for 390 days", and in the verse each day is going to represents one year ~ In Leviticus 26:18 and 3 other times in that chapter YHWH repeats, If you do not repent, your punishment will be increased seven times.

390*7 = 2730 Years

The last remnants of the House of Israel (The 10 Tribes) were taken away as a people from the land captive, exiled out of His House in 721 BC and have yet to return.

721+2009 = 2730 Years

History is Prophecy

Isa 38:5

Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith YHWH, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.

2009+15 = 2024

Together with

Returning to His Place for Two days ~ 2000 years

Approx 30 AD He Ascends back into Heaven

+2000 years

2030

Unless those days are shortened no flesh would survive.... hence sooner

The Day of YHWH, the millennial reign, the messianic era is when the redeemed shall live in His sight, and that will last for 1000 years, and at the end of that time the heavens and earth will be re-newed by fervent heat.

Blessed and Holy are those that are in the First Resurrection which occurs 1000 years before the Second. By Keeping the Sabbath they are a shadow of the Seventh day...

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with Ha Adonai as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

10
But the day of YHWH will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

The Day of YHWH will last for 1000 years, Peter Just said don't be Ignorant about this - All Biblical days begin at evening, the seventh day begins in Tribulation and when the morning star arises and The Kingdoms of this world become the Kingdom of Adonai YESHUA. The Covenant of Peace will be on the earth. Ezekiel 37:26

We have not entered into the seventh day, the affliction, the evil, Jacob's trouble, the dark and cloudy day, a time such has never been or will occur after.... Not there Yet

The timelines are not a prediction for any date or year, but are part of the framework by which what is to come might be better understood...

You wrote: >>>We have not entered into the seventh day, the affliction, the evil, Jacob's trouble, the dark and cloudy day, a time such has never been or will occur after.... Not there Yet<<<

Sorry, you need to wake up. We are exactly in the beginning of the first century of the third millennium or third Day A.C., and in the beginning of the first century of the 7th and last millennium or seventh and last Day after Adam. The time is of HARVEST exclusively.

Douggg · Nov 15, 2017

WailingWall said:
Looky looky! Here we find the beast making war against Gods Saints. If you believe the above scriptures that say the Saints belong to the various churhes you gotta know they have not been raptured as the Rapturist claim. They claim the church will not confront the beast at all. Dilly Dilly!

If so, then it would simply say church in Revelation 13, would it not? Saints, in Revelation 13, refers to them who have become Christians after the church is gone. The criteria in 2thessalonians2:4 is that the Day of the Lord begins when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act. That triggers the Day of the Lord. The church must be gone before then. How far before - no one knows.

keras · Nov 15, 2017

Douggg said:
If so, then it would simply say church in Revelation 13, would it not? Saints, in Revelation 13, refers to them who have become Christians after the church is gone. The criteria in 2thessalonians2:4 is that the Day of the Lord begins when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act. That triggers the Day of the Lord. The church must be gone before then. How far before - no one knows.

Revelation 13:7 says the 'beast' wars against the 'saints, holy ones, or God's people'. The same as Daniel 7:25, from various translations.
The rapturists idea that the church goes to heaven is simply not found anywhere in the Bible. Then to think the people whom the AC attacks are recent converts, is very improbable, as it seems very few, if any will become Christian then. Revelation 13:3-4
What really refutes your idea of the 'Church' in heaven and another group of Christians on earth, is the immutable truth of there being only one people of God. Ephesians 4:4-6, John 10:16, John 17:20-23, +

Oseas · Nov 15, 2017

Douggg said:
If so, then it would simply say church in Revelation 13, would it not? Saints, in Revelation 13, refers to them who have become Christians after the church is gone. The criteria in 2thessalonians2:4 is that the Day of the Lord begins when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act. That triggers the Day of the Lord. The church must be gone before then. How far before - no one knows.

You wrote: >>>If so, then it would simply say church in Revelation 13, would it not? Saints, in Revelation 13, refers to them who have become Christians after the church is gone. <<<

Sorry, brother, you are believing in a false theory or false doctrine, which was not invented by yourself, I am sure of this, but it was invented by ministers of the Devil known as theologians, false preachers of the Word of God, as Pastors, Bishops, Priests, among others, such doctrine, sowed among the believers in the Churches, it is a satanic tares, by which many believers are maintained unprepared to defend from the enemies or to fight against them in the days ahead.
I must warn that the messengers of this Christian fórum, for the most part, will be alive and soon will in the presence of the last two Beasts which will establish their ephemeral and satanic Religious Empire throughout the Earth. as described in Revelation 13: 1-18. The fulfillment of Apocalypse 13 in its entirety is at hand, brother. So, be prepared.

You wrote: >>> The criteria in 2thessalonians2:4 is that the Day of the Lord begins when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act. That triggers the Day of the Lord. <<<

We are already living in the first century of the seventh and last Day or last millennium, this seventh and last millennium is the Day of the Lord, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of the Truth, and the Millennium of the Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the Day of Vengeance. The time is of punishment, yeah, only and only of punishment, and in fulfilment of the Word of the Lord the Most High God and Almighty will destroy them which destroy the earth as is written in Rev.11:18. The nations will be angry, and the wrath of God is come, and the time of the dead, that they be judged, and that God gives reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great.

You wrote: >>>The church must be gone before then. How far before - no one knows. <<<

By no manner of means, what you learned from the false preacher of the Word of God will not fulfil absolutely. Be sure of this. Such doctrine itares. I chalenge before the enemies of the people of God, what word or message will fulfil, if their messages or mine. I am not boasting of this, the fact is that who first sowed this diabolical doctrine, has done it a long time ago and filled the earth with tares, and it is not easy to pluck it, as the Lord Jesus commanded to do it in this beginning of this seventh and last day.

WailingWall · Nov 17, 2017

Oseas said:
You wrote in the post #40:
>>>The people of God keep the Sabbath, the people of the pope keep Sunday, the RCC admits to changing the day, they claimed the right to do so by their own authority<<<

What says the Word of God?

Galatians 4:9-11KJV 9
But now (But in the New Testament, evidently), after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Now, in the New Testament, the believers must not “turn again” or retroact in observe days, even the sabbath.

YIKES! Please let scripture interpret scripture

GAL.4 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? [10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS.[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Galatians 4 says nothing about sabbaths or feast days. Its speaking of those who observe times.

DEUT.18 [9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

The same thing goes on to this very day. Its speaking of the occult. Those who observe certain days by use of horoscopes?

2 CHR.33 [3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger

Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards. Its speaking of the occult. Not following sabbath days.

LEV.19 [26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, NOR OBSERVE TIMES.[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.[29] Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.[30] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

I guess this scripture says it all. You shall not observe times BUT you will keep my sabbaths.

WailingWall · Nov 17, 2017

Oseas said:
Genesis 1:1-4
1 In the beginning (in JESUS) God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God (the Word) moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
John 12:46 - I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness

ISAIAH 8 [20] TO THE LAW AND TO THE TESTIMONY: IF THEY SPEAK NOT ACCORDING TO THIS WORD, IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.[

WailingWall · Nov 17, 2017

Oseas said:
Is there any here who knows that we are living in the Great Sabbath?

Nope. I can say that probably only you "know" this.

2 THES. 1 [7] And to you who are troubled REST WITH US, WHEN THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED FROM HEAVEN with his mighty angels, [8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Scipture tells us our rest {your great sabbath rest} begins when Christ returns.

Oseas · Nov 18, 2017

WailingWall said:
YIKES! Please let scripture interpret scripture
GAL.4 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods

You wrote: >>>YIKES! Please let scripture interpret scripture
GAL.4 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.<<<

You added more this verse beyond the Scriptures I have quoted in my post, in whose verse the Apostle Paul warned the believers of Galatians saying unto them that when they knew not God they did service unto them which by nature were not gods.

So, the point in this verse is about God and gods. God is only One. What is written in the Word of God? Isaiah 44:8 - Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

And gods, how many are there? Who are them? What says the Word of God? There is much to speak about gods, especially about the demons commanded by Satan. 1Cor.8:v.5: For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,): Note that the wise Apostle Paul was not talking about idols made by men's hands, because, as he said: an idol is nothing in the world (v.4) Then, who are these gods? I repeat.

There are two kinds of gods:

1 - Satan has his gods, which work for him sowing tares through religions, and sects, and churches of all denominations, and false evangelical movements called gospel,etc.,in the whole world. They are Popes, and Priests, Cardinals, Pastors, Bishops, Theologians, and all false preachers of the Word of God like the false prophets of the Old Testament, whose demons did speak falsely with the people of Israel in the name of the Lord, but they were devils guiding Israel, for they did kill the true prophets of God, and they, except a few of them, believed only in the false prophets. AN IMPORTANT DETAIL is that these false preachers of Scriptures have not any difference of the idols made of the dust of the earth, made by the hands of men, except the language or the speech of them, yes, ANY DIFFERENCE except the spirit in their bodies, FOR THEY WERE ALSO MADE BY THE DUST OF THE EARTH, whose breath is in their nostrils, so wherein is they to be accounted of ?

Remember that the Most High and Almighty God said: Exodus 20:v.3 - Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Now, now, our Almighty God was not speaking of the idols made by men's hands, but about evil men that corrupt the Word of God, like those who asked Aaron to make gods for going before them. And Aaron made a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, (why these, if was made only one calf of golden? which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. (What these satanic gods said by the spirit of Devil to the people of Israel was a lie, a lie of Devil)

(v.5) And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the Lord. (No, the feast was not to the Lord, in absolute, but to Satan). Deut. 32:16-21 - 16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger. 17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

(1Cor.8:v.6) But to us (to TRUE BELIEVERS) there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord JESUS Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him.

2 - God is God of gods (the Word is not speaking of idols). What is written in the Word of God? Psalms 136:v.2 - O give thanks unto the God of gods: for His mercy endureth for ever. Psalms 135:v.5: For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods. (Now, now, God is God of gods, and not God of idols made by men's hands,such interpretation is a nonsense). Who are these gods? JESUS said to the Jews: (John 10:v.34-36)– 34 Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If He called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Therefore, we can understand by the Word of God, yes, BY THE WORD OF GOD, that the true gods, as said JESUS, are them unto whom the Word came, and the Scriptures cannot be broken.

Who wants to analyse more deeply this matter, search Isaiah 41:23&Psalms 82:6&Psa.97:7-9.

Now unto the King Eternal, Immortal, Invisible, the only Wise God, be Honour and Glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Oseas · Nov 18, 2017

WailingWall said:
YIKES! Please let scripture interpret scripture
GAL.4 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods

You wrote: >>>YIKES! Please let scripture interpret scripture
GAL.4 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.<<<

You added more this verse beyond the Scriptures I have quoted in my post, in whose verse the Apostle Paul warned the believers of Galatians saying unto them that when they knew not God they did service unto them which by nature were not gods.

So, the point in this verse is about God and gods. God is only One. What is written in the Word of God? Isaiah 44:8 - Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

And gods, how many are there? Who are them? What says the Word of God? There is much to speak about gods, especially about the demons commanded by Satan. 1Cor.8:v.5: For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,): Note that the wise Apostle Paul was not talking about idols made by men's hands, because, as he said: an idol is nothing in the world (v.4) Then, who are these gods? I repeat.

There are two kinds of gods:

1 - Satan has his gods, which work for him sowing tares through religions, and sects, and churches of all denominations, and false evangelical movements called gospel,etc.,in the whole world. They are Popes, and Priests, Cardinals, Pastors, Bishops, Theologians, and all false preachers of the Word of God like the false prophets of the Old Testament, whose demons did speak falsely with the people of Israel in the name of the Lord, but they were devils guiding Israel, for they did kill the true prophets of God, and they, except a few of them, believed only in the false prophets. AN IMPORTANT DETAIL is that these false preachers of Scriptures have not any difference of the idols made of the dust of the earth, made by the hands of men, except the language or the speech of them, yes, ANY DIFFERENCE except the spirit in their bodies, FOR THEY WERE ALSO MADE BY THE DUST OF THE EARTH, whose breath is in their nostrils, so wherein is they to be accounted of ?

Remember that the Most High and Almighty God said: Exodus 20:v.3 - Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Now, now, our Almighty God was not speaking of the idols made by men's hands, but about evil men that corrupt the Word of God, like those who asked Aaron to make gods for going before them. And Aaron made a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, (why these, if was made only one calf of golden? which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. (What these satanic gods said by the spirit of Devil to the people of Israel was a lie, a lie of Devil)

(v.5) And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the Lord. (No, the feast was not to the Lord, in absolute, but to Satan). Deut. 32:16-21 - 16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger. 17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

(1Cor.8:v.6) But to us (to TRUE BELIEVERS) there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord JESUS Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him.

2 - God is God of gods (the Word is not speaking of idols). What is written in the Word of God? Psalms 136:v.2 - O give thanks unto the God of gods: for His mercy endureth for ever. Psalms 135:v.5: For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods. (Now, now, God is God of gods, and not God of idols made by men's hands,such interpretation is a nonsense). Who are these gods? JESUS said to the Jews: (John 10:v.34-36)– 34 Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If He called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Therefore, we can understand by the Word of God, yes, BY THE WORD OF GOD, that the true gods, as said JESUS, are them unto whom the Word came, and the Scriptures cannot be broken.

Who wants to analyse more deeply this matter, search Isaiah 41:23&Psalms 82:6&Psa.97:7-9.

Now unto the King Eternal, Immortal, Invisible, the only Wise God, be Honour and Glory for ever and ever. Amen.

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