COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

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Seems like God's Word disagrees with you Bob as highlighted with all the scriptures posted in Post #1653 and Post # 1654. It is clear you have not read and of my posts otherwise you would not have posted the above? We must believe the Word of God over the teachings and traditions of men.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
Hello LGW.

Somehow and I am not sure how you did it, but you have reversed what Paul said.

Paul taught that loving others actually fulfills above and beyond, what the law demanded from us.

The law said, do not kill, but Paul said, love others, so by loving others one cannot ever kill anyone. The demand of the law, do not kill, is simply satisfied by the exercise of love.

Can you see that the attempt to obey the letter of the law, is the reverse of what we have been taught by Paul?
 
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Did I say that you said "God's Law (10 commandments) has been abolished?" Here is what I quoted you on, in a nutshell.
Ceremonial laws are not decrees or judgements. That is what I was bringing to your attention.
You and I have much in common. I have considerable respect for the thought and research that goes into your posts. If I recall correctly, you were the one who who provided me with some information that I had been searching for (on a hunch) for years. If this is true; (that you are the one) I told my family about you over dinner. I can learn from you. I believe that everyone who YHWH puts in my life can teach me something; but I believe that you have a wealth of knowledge to share. Please don't take my search for truth, nor my proclamations of my understanding of the truth, to all those who would hear, as a personal attack. I believe that you and I can learn from each other. All that said, would you consider this verse as part of YHWH's law?: (CLV) Lv 19:18
You shall not avenge nor shall you be resentful against the sons of your people. You will love your associate as yourself: I am Yahweh. I can't find it in the Ten Words (Commandments).

Hello HARK, thanks for your post and for clarifying what you were saying. When I re-read your earlier post that is what I got out of it. I did not take your post as a personal attack however. I did not understand your point. Which was why I asked what your point was. For me I think it is important to be like the Bareans and study God's Word prayerfully always asking Jesus to be our teacher when studying His Word (John 14:26). I Praise God that my posts may help you. I pray and ask him that they may help others. But they are not mine but His so I cannot take any credit but we should all thank him who teaches us His Word and we should always point all to Him who loves all.

This may help. The two great commandments come from the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18) These are those that Jesus says all the Law and the Prophets hang (Matthew 22:36-40). This is because only through LOVE can God's Law be fulfilled on those who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 13:10-12; Romans 8:1-4; 6).

PS. Take a look at the first post in this thread. The Word Dogma also means ceremonial. This is why the temple curtain was torn in two at the Death of Jesus bringing an end to the Mosaic laws for the remission of sins that were only Shadows that pointed to Jesus (Mark 15:37-38)
 
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Hello LGW.

Somehow and I am not sure how you did it, but you have reversed what Paul said.
Paul taught that loving others actually fulfills above and beyond, what the law demanded from us.The law said, do not kill, but Paul said, love others, so by loving others one cannot ever kill anyone. The demand of the law, do not kill, is simply satisfied by the exercise of love.
Can you see that the attempt to obey the letter of the law, is the reverse of what we have been taught by Paul?

LoveGodsWord said; So now under the new covenant when God changes our heart; we will love God and our neighbour.

if we love God we will not steal
if we love God we will not murder
if we love God we will not commit adultery
if we love God we will not lie
if we love God we will honour our parents
if we love God we will not covet
if we love God we will have no other gods except our God who loves us
if we love God we will not make unto any idols
if we love God we will not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain
if we love God we will Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy as he asked us to!

God’s Law has always been central to both the Old and the New Covenant. It is only by the operation of God as we have Faith in His Word that God changes our hearts so that we can love him and love our neighbour that we can walk in his ways. This is why Jesus says its only if you love me we can keep hid commandments (John 14:15)

Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
Psa 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
Psa 51:13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

Love is the fulfilling of the God’s Law.

This is why Jesus says; If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15); because love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who by faith walk in the Spirit (Romans 8:1-4)

Hello David,

No I didn't do what you suggested. I think you misunderstand what was written. I am saying the exact same thing. It is faith that works by love that fulfills God's Law in those that work in His Spirit. If your doing it without faith you are not doing it in Love and therefore still in your sins
 
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Love is the fulfilling of the God’s Law.

This is why Jesus says; If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15); because 1in us who by faith walk in the Spirit (Romans 8:1-4)

Hello David,

No I didn't I think you misunderstand what is written. I am saying the exact same thing. It is faith that works by love that fulfills God's Law in those that work in His Spirit. If your doing it without faith you are not doing it in Love and therefore still in your sins
Hello LGW.

You see, love is fulfilling the law to the letter.

I see, love in itself is the fulfillment of what the law demanded.

Do you see the difference, even the translations differ on this.

Romans 13:10 (NASB)
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Romans 13:10 (KJV)
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

See the difference, fulfilling and fulfillment, infers a different understanding to the reader of each translation.

If you understand that verse, loving your neighbor satisfies what the law required.
Whereas you interpret the opposite, obey the letter and that is loving your neighbor.

How can love itself do any harm whatsoever to your neighbor?
 
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I believe you re the one I told my family about. Glory to YHWH, of course. It was the verse Leviticus 19:18 that I had been searching for on a hunch

That said, it would seem, that by your own admission, by your understanding, that there are more than 10 commandments. 10+2>10 or even 10+1>10. Am I correct?

The two great ones sum up all the Law and the Prophets, The Jews already new these and they were never new in that sense of the Word. That is what Jesus was quoting from in Matthew 22:36-40.

Also you may have also noticed in Luke 10:25-28 that a Lawyer came to him tempting him with a question....

Luke 10
25, And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26, He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27, And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28, And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

There was a person knowledgeable in the Torah and OT writings. LOVE and God's Law (10 commandments) where always known to be ONE in LOVE
 
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Hello LGW.
You see, love is fulfilling the law to the letter.
I see, love in itself is the fulfillment of what the law demanded.
Do you see the difference, even the translations differ on this.
Romans 13:10 (NASB)
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Romans 13:10 (KJV)
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
See the difference, fulfilling and fulfillment, infers a different understanding to the reader of each translation. If you understand that verse, loving your neighbor satisfies what the law required.
Whereas you interpret the opposite, obey the letter and that is loving your neighbor.
How can love itself do any harm whatsoever to your neighbor?

Hello David,
You are making an argument that I am not saying so if I am not saying what you are posting you have nothing to argue about. Please read my earlier post to you in Post #1663 above and the earlier connected posts
 
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Hello David,
You are making an argument that I am not saying so if I am not saying what you are posting you have nothing to argue about. Please read my earlier post to you in Post #1663 above and the earlier connected posts
Hello LGW.

Do you see the difference in the way we read the text?
 
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Hello LGW. Do you see the difference in the way we read the text?

Hello David thanks for your post. What is it in my posts you do not understand? Do you believe LOVE is separate from God's LAW?
 
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Hello David thanks for your post. What is it in my posts you do not understand? Do you believe LOVE is separate from God's LAW?
Hello LGW.

I am asking whether you can see the different way that we interpret what is written.

I can see how you interpret the scripture, I really do. I was wondering whether you
can see how we read the scripture?

I understood your post #1663, but I do not agree.
 
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Hello LGW.
I am asking whether you can see the different way that we interpret what is written.
I can see how you interpret the scripture, I really do. I was wondering whether you
can see how we read the scripture?
I understood your post #1663, but I do not agree.

Maybe we should start from the beginning then. How do you think I am interpreting the scripture? Let's take it one step at a time. From what I have seen you write above I do not think you understand what I have written which may be my fault, I am not sure hence the question in this post for clarification.
 
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The two great ones sum up all the Law

What are your thoughts concerning YHWH's moedim (feasts)?

PASSOVER



“And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD {Yahweh} throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:14)



UNLEAVENED BREAD



“And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:17)





SHAVUOT (Feast of Weeks)



“And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute FOREVER in all your dwellings throughout your generations.” (Leviticus 23:21)



YOM KIPPUR



Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings.



FEAST OF TABERNACLES (Booths / Sukkot)



And ye shall keep it a feast unto YHWH seven days in the year. It shall be a statute FOREVER in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.(Leviticus 23:41)



Numerous New Testament examples show where people were intending to keep the Feasts, were keeping them, and would keep them again the in Kingdom. Those passages include: Luke 2:42; John 5:1; 7:2, 10, 14; 12:20; Matthew 26:2, 17, 29; Acts 18:21; and 1Corinthians 5:8
 
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What are your thoughts concerning YHWH's moedim (feasts)?

PASSOVER
“And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD {Yahweh} throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:14)

UNLEAVENED BREAD
“And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:17)

SHAVUOT (Feast of Weeks)
“And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute FOREVER in all your dwellings throughout your generations.” (Leviticus 23:21)

YOM KIPPUR
Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

FEAST OF TABERNACLES (Booths / Sukkot)
And ye shall keep it a feast unto YHWH seven days in the year. It shall be a statute FOREVER in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.(Leviticus 23:41)

Numerous New Testament examples show where people were intending to keep the Feasts, were keeping them, and would keep them again the in Kingdom. Those passages include: Luke 2:42; John 5:1; 7:2, 10, 14; 12:20; Matthew 26:2, 17, 29; Acts 18:21; and 1Corinthians 5:8

Hi HARK,
Thanks for your e-mail. The Old Testament annual festivals are a wonderful thing and if you believe you should keep them then that is great. I do not judge you or anyone else for keeping them.

For me personally, I believe that we still keep everything in the Mosaic laws for remission of sin including the annual festivals but in a different way then the Jews kept them in the Old Covenant. Obviously part of the annual festival requirements was animal sacrifices for remission of sin (Leviticus 23).

Under the New Covenant many of the Mosaic laws for remission of sin which included the annual festivals have they fulfillment in Christ under the New Covenant. As you can appreciate to go through each Feast it would take some time and a lot of scripture to show each festivals fulfillment in Christ.

What I will do in this post is use the EVERLASTING Covenant of CIRCUMCISION as an example of the Shadow laws of Moses being fulfilled in Christ showing that we still continue all these laws and festivals today but in a different way under the New Covenant which all these Shadow laws have their fulfillment.

THE EVERLASTING COVENANT OF CIRCUMCISION (example of continuation and fulfillment)

Genesis 17
9,
And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10, This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11, And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12, And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
13, He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an EVERLASTING COVENANT.

So it is quite clear here that the covenant of circumcision is an EVERLASTING COVENANT (Forever). This practice however was one of the Shadow laws of the Old Covenant that pointed to the New Covenant of Love and a New Heart by faith..... We still continue it today but in Christ through LOVE. This is just an example of course and applies to all the Shadow Mosaic laws which we still fulfill today but in a different way under the New Covenant. The Mosaic laws for remission of sin were the Shadows pointing to the substance; Christ.

Let's look at the scriptures.

Old Covenant shadows pointing to the New Covenant fulfilled in Christ....

Deuteronomy 30
6, And THE LORD THY GOD WILL CIRCUMCISE THINE HEART, AND THE HEART OF THY SEED, TO LOVE THE LORD THY GOD, WITH ALL THINE HEART, AND WITH ALL THY SOUL, that thou may live.

Jeremiah 4
4, CIRCUMCISE YOURSELVES TO THE LORD, AND TAKE AWAY THE FORESKIN OF YOUR HEART, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

Jeremiah 31
31,
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32, Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33, But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34, And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

We still keep circumcision today but not in the Shadow but in Christ under the New Covenant physical circumcision was the Shadow of circumcision of the Heart in the New Covenant.......

Act 15
1,
And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
2,
When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
3, And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
4, And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
5, But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

The outcome of the meeting at Jerusalem............

23,
And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
24, Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: TO WHOM WE GIVE YOU NO SUCH COMMANDMENT.

Acts 10
44,
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45, And THEY OF THE CIRCUMCISION WHICH BELIEVED WERE ASTONISHED (see Acts 15:1; Acts 11:2-3; the Jews believed unless the Gentiles were circumcised they cannot be saved), as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46, For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? <The Jews believed that God would not be with anyone not following him which is true today; They thought that the uncircumcised Gentile believers were not saved because they were not circumcised so they where astonished when God gave them the Holy Spirit>

Romans 2
25,
For circumcision verily profits, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26, Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27, And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28, FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION WHICH IS OUTWARD IN THE FLESH:
29, BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 15
8,
Now I say that JESUS CHRIST WAS THE MINISTER OF CIRCUMCISION FOR THE TRUTH OF GOD, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
9, And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.

1 Corinthians 7
19,
CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS <links with Deuteronomy 30:6; Jeremiah 4:4; Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12 under the New Covenant of circumcision of the heart to LOVE God and man Matthew 22:36-40>.

Galatians 5
5,
For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6, For IN JESUS CHRIST NEITHER CIRCUMCISION AVAILS ANYTHING, NOR UNCIRCUMCISION; BUT FAITH WHICH WORKS BY LOVE.

Galatians 6
15,
For IN CHRIST JESUS, NEITHER CIRCUMCISION AVAILS ANYTHING, NOR UNCIRCUMCISION; but a new creature.

Philippians 3
3,
For WE ARE THE CIRCUMCISION, WHICH WORSHIP GOD IN THE SPIRIT, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN THE FLESH.

Colossians 2
11,
IN WHOM YOU WERE CIRCUMCISED WITH THE CIRCUMCISION MADE WITHOUT HANDS, IN PUTTING OFF THE BODY OF SINS OF THE FLESH BY THE CIRCUMCISION OF CHRIST:
12, Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are RISEN WITH HIM THROUGH THE FAITH OF THE OPERATION OF GOD, who hath raised him from the dead.
13, And you, being dead in your sins and the UNCIRCUMCISION OF YOUR FLESH, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses

Colossians 3
11,
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, CIRCUMCISION NOR UNCIRCUMCISION, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL, AND IN ALL.

Now all the above is not saying that the EVERLASTING COVENANT OF CIRCUMCISION is no longer it is only saying that the Shadow laws of Moses are continuing in a different way because circumcision of the flesh was pointing to circumcision of the heart which is fulfilled in the NEW Covenant.....

This is the same for all the Mosaic laws of the remission of sins including the festivals.

May God bless you as you continue to SEEK him through His Word and may God bless you if you decide to continue keeping His festivals as you do it in love for him who loves all and let no one judge you for this.....
 
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fulfilled in the NEW Covenant.....

This is the same for all the Mosaic laws of the remission of sins including the festivals.

Before the Moedim (feasts) were celebrated during the Temple Period; they were celebrated in a different way, as commanded, during the Tabernacle Period. I believe that we are now in a second tabernacle period; as the Temple is currently under construction. No?

The Spring Moedim (feasts) were clearly fulfilled by Yahshua; but what about the Fall Moedim?

The Hebrew word "miqra" is translated as "sacred assemblies" or “holy convocation”
depending on which translation one uses.

Strong's defines the Hebrew word "miqra" as:

4744 miqra', mik-raw'; from 7121; something called out, i.e. a public meeting (the act, the
persons, or the place); also a rehearsal:-assembly, calling, convocation, reading.

Thus we see that mikra defines an assembly of people for the purposes of rehearsing a future event.

These rehearsals can help to bring us understanding.

How would you observe, say...the unfulfilled rehearsal of Yahshua's wedding feast, temple, tabernacle, another way, not at all?
 
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How would you observe, say...the unfulfilled rehearsal of Yahshua's wedding feast, temple, tabernacle, another way, not at all?
Some that have partial fulfillment in Christ will be completed at His coming and when the earth is made new
 
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How could the ceremonial (what ever those are supposed to be??? SDA jargon) laws be done away when you all do not believe all has been accomplished Matt5:17-18? It amazes me how one could forget or overlook the jots and tittles.
 
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How could the ceremonial (what ever those are supposed to be??? SDA jargon) laws be done away when you all do not believe all has been accomplished Matt5:17-18? It amazes me how one could forget or overlook the jots and tittles.

Hello Bob,

God's Word is not jargon as has already been shown in earlier posts from the Old Testament and New. The ceremonial laws of Moses were part of the Old Covenant for the remission of sins written by Moses in the book of the covenant and placed in the side of the Ark of the Covenant.

Mosaic shadow laws for remission of sin in the Old and New Covenant.............

EXODUS 24 [5] And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the LORD.[6] And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar. [7] AND HE TOOK THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT AND READ IN THE AUDIENCE OF THE PEOPLE: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. [8] And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, BEHOLD THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

NUMBERS 25 [11] Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, hath turned my wrath away from the children of Israel, while he was zealous for my sake among them, that I consumed not the children of Israel in my jealousy. [12] Wherefore say, Behold, I give unto him MY COVENANT of peace: [13] And he shall have it, and his seed after him, even THE COVENANT OF AN EVERLASTING PRIESTHOOD; because he was zealous for his God, and made an atonement for the children of Israel.

DEUTERONOMY 29 [21] And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, ACCORDING TO ALL THE CURSES OF THE COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS LAW:

DEUTERONOMY 31 [24] And it came to pass, when MOSES HAD MADE AN END OF WRITING THE WORDS OF THIS BOOK, UNTIL THEY WERE FINISHED, [25] That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, [26], TAKE THIS BOOK OF THE LAW, AND PUT IT IN THE SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT OF THE LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee

The Ark of the Covenant was the home of the covenant to God and His people and included both (1) God’s Law (10 commandments) written on stone and (2) The laws of Moses written in book. Together these made up the Old Covenant ………..

DEUTERONOMY 10 [8] At that time the LORD separated the tribe of Levi, to bear the ark of the covenant of the LORD, to stand before the LORD to minister unto him, and to bless in his name, unto this day.

The God’s Law (10 commandments) on two tables of stone were placed inside because they were part of the Old Covenant. The Mosaic law written in a book was also placed in the side of the Ark because it was part of the Old Covenant……………...................

DEUTERONOMY 31 [26] TAKE THIS BOOK OF THE LAW, AND PUT IT IN THE SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT OF THE LORD your God that it may be there for a witness against thee

What was the purpose of God's Law (10 commandments) written on stone by God and the Mosaic laws written by Moses in a book...............................

(1) God’s Law (10 commandments)
Purpose;
reveals what sin and righteousness (right doing) is and the describes the penalty for sin (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23). It was never a cure for sin. But it was the work of God which is forever and the foundation of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the Judgement to come. (Exodus 32:16; Exodus 31:18; 31:18; Exodus 20:1-22; Deuteronomy 10:5; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23; Hebrews 7:19; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1 John 3:5-8; 1 John 2:3-4; Ecclesiastes 3:14)

(2) The laws of Moses (Levitical, ceremonial, sacrificial)
Purpose;
was the prescriptive cure for sin with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings for sin, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation and provided a cure for sin through animal sacrifice and food and drink offerings and yearly sin atonement's for God’s people. (Leviticus 1:1-13; Leviticus 23:1-44; Numbers 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deuteronomy 24:10-11; Exodus 24:3; Deuteronomy 31:24-26; Colossians 2:16-16; Hebrews 10:1; Ephesians 2:14-15; Leviticus 4; 5; 6; Hebrews 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29; not exhaustive there are many more).

Why were the ceremonial laws of Moses (handwriting of ordinances) nailed to the cross and shadows of things to come......

Jesus was our true sacrifice for our sins and the Savior of the world that the ceremonial laws of Moses all pointed to. When Jesus came and died the old Covenant laws of Moses that pointed to Jesus and the plan of salvation was fulfilled (John 1:29; 36; Revelation 5:6; 1 Corinthians 5:6-7; Hebrews 8:2-13; 9:1-28). Jesus is our true Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and our sacrifice for our sins. It is our sins as well as the ceremonial laws of Moses that were nailed to the cross at the death of Jesus (Colossians 2:14; Ephesians 2:15; John 3:16).

Linking the old testament Mosaic Shadow laws for remission of sin to the New Covenant....

ISAIAH 1 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your new moons and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

HEBREWS 10 [7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. [8] Above when he said, SACRIFICE AND OFFERING AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERING FOR SIN THOU WOULDEST NOT, NEITHER HADST PLEASURE THEREIN; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW; [9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND. [10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. [11] And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: [12] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Hebrews 10 explains exactly what Isaiah 1 was speaking about. He takes away the 1st covenant {the meat and drink offerings} and established the 2nd covenant {the body of Christ}

LUKE 22 [19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, THIS CUP IS THE NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD, which is shed for you.

New testament...blood

HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

old covenant...blood of goats.....The meat and drink offerings

HEBREWS [4] FOR IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND.

EPHESIANS 2 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

HEBREWS 13 [9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be ESTABLISHED WITH GRACE; NOT WITH MEATS, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. [10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. [11] For THE BODIES OF THOSE BEASTS, WHOSE BLOOD is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] WHEREFORE JESUS ALSO, THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY THE PEOPLE WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, suffered without the gate.

HEBREWS 8 [2] A MINISTER OF THE SANCTUARY, AND OF THE TRUE TABERNACLE, WHICH THE LORD PITCHED AND NOT MAN. [3] For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. [4] For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: [5] WHO SERVES AS AN EXAMPLE AND SHADOW OF THE HEAVENLY THINGS, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. [6] But now hath HE HAS OBTAINED A MORE EXCELLENT MINISTRY, by how much also he is the mediator of a BETTER COVENANT, WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED ON BETTER PROMISES . [7] For if that FIRST COVENANT HAD BEEN FAULTLESS, THEN NO PLACE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOUGHT FOR A SECOND. [8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITHE THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH: [9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. [13] In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away.

Yep lots of scripture and many more not in this post that identify what the shadow law was that is fulfilled in Christ. It has never been God's Law which the scriptures say are forever and the vert standard of the Old and New Covenants and the Judgement to come.............

The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7). It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12). God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.). The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5).

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

God bless
 
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There are two choices to be made, one is to not believe Jesus fulfilled all the law at Calvary and that carries with it those calumnious words jots and tittles. Till all has been fulfilled not one jot nor one tittle shall pass from the law. All or nothing people. Due to the jots and tittles it would be impossible to tear the old covenant into parts and pick and choose what you want to believe.

The second is to believe that Jesus did fulfill the entire law meaning that He ended the requirements of the law and Christians are not subject to the past laws because we are under a new and better covenant. Jesus is our high priest, we go directly to Him and He gives us grace, something the old law couldn't possibly do.
 
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There are two choices to be made, one is to not believe Jesus fulfilled all the law at Calvary and that carries with it those calumnious words jots and tittles. Till all has been fulfilled not one jot nor one tittle shall pass from the law. All or nothing people. Due to the jots and tittles it would be impossible to tear the old covenant into parts and pick and choose what you want to believe.

The second is to believe that Jesus did fulfill the entire law meaning that He ended the requirements of the law and Christians are not subject to the past laws because we are under a new and better covenant. Jesus is our high priest, we go directly to Him and He gives us grace, something the old law couldn't possibly do.

Hello Bob, it depends what law your referring to that made up the Old Covenant that were completed in the New. As shown from the scriptures in the post above yours (Post # 1677) and the OP, this is clearly showing through GOd's Word alone, that it is referring to the Mosaic laws for the remission of sin that were written in the book of Moses that were shadows pointing to Jesus in the New Covenant and not God's Law (10 commandments) which God's Word says is forever and the standard of the Old and New Covenants and the Judgement to come.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

God bless
 
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