Thoughts on weed?

unfinishedclay said:

If weed becomes legal in all places, will all places of employment adjust their standards accordingly? Drug tests are administered to trace all narcotics. How would weed be distinguished from others? I don't know how that works. I'm clueless on that. But that's what I would point out to somebody interested in weed if it was legalized in my neck of the woods.

If it was legal, I certainly would not see smoking it as favorable. Smoking causes carcinogen and free radicals that can cause cancer. Even smoking meats excessively poses risks when eaten too often. I realize there are an abundance of exceptions. But I don't see risks as favorable.

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Thanks; I can see what you mean and would sympathize a good deal with what you say.

I have the hunch that pharmaceuticals rip people off; and they seem glad at the 'cover' which earnest, moralizing Christians (with whom they otherwise have nothing in common) give them, so that they have no incentive to do safe trials with cannabis which might result in cheaper meds that would work against their interests.

@blackribbon I wonder if I could ask you, Do you think that pharmaceuticals rip people off? and do you think that it's vested interests to some extent that cause them to 'moralize' against certain substances which used to be legal in any case?

Mizm said:

What is everyone’s opinion on smoking weed?

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Use the minimum dosage that provides relief. Same as for Ibuprofen (for example); you wouldn't take 4 pills if 2 will do.

God punished me for taking weed....u asked how?

i got into deep manic episode that made everybody think i was mad....since i came back to normal, prayers and abstinence has healed me....and i know God is the only healer not weed or medicines

unfinishedclay said:

If weed becomes legal in all places, will all places of employment adjust their standards accordingly? Drug tests are administered to trace all narcotics. How would weed be distinguished from others? I don't know how that works. I'm clueless on that. But that's what I would point out to somebody interested in weed if it was legalized in my neck of the woods.

If it was legal, I certainly would not see smoking it as favorable. Smoking causes carcinogen and free radicals that can cause cancer. Even smoking meats excessively poses risks when eaten too often. I realize there are an abundance of exceptions. But I don't see risks as favorable.

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In my state they said that employers could categorize jobs as being too dangerous for marijuana users to use, but if it was medical marijuana it couldn't be banned for all workers. I suppose that a level could also be a factor because it can stay in your blood 4 weeks in in significant amounts

faroukfarouk said:

Thanks; I can see what you mean and would sympathize a good deal with what you say.

I have the hunch that pharmaceuticals rip people off; and they seem glad at the 'cover' which earnest, moralizing Christians (with whom they otherwise have nothing in common) give them, so that they have no incentive to do safe trials with cannabis which might result in cheaper meds that would work against their interests.

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Lots of people take hormone replacement therapy after menopause. There are natural substances like wild yam cream, that will have the same offense but Pharmaceuticals cannot charge for natural products as medicine. Therefore they take Natural hormones and try to make Chemical substitutes that are very similar. Then they try to prove through advertising that women can't live without the chemical substance, and that the natural substance is no good.

Fantine said:

Lots of people take hormone replacement therapy after menopause. There are natural substances like wild yam cream, that will have the same offense but Pharmaceuticals cannot charge for natural products as medicine. Therefore they take Natural hormones and try to make Chemical substitutes that are very similar. Then they try to prove through advertising that women can't live without the chemical substance, and that the natural substance is no good.

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Interesting way of putting it.

MyGivenNameIsKeith said:

I smoked for years. It poisons your mind. It is toxic to your spirit. It infiltrates the way that you think. It deepens depression. You have anxiety because of not dealing with things in a proper manner. If you truly want to answer your own question, I suggest doing what the Bible "suggests". Stop smoking weed for 40 days (which is fasting). You'll be clean, no weed in your system, you'll be clear headed to make the decision. Anxiety stems from deeper issues. You are smoking weed to avoid those. Then you make excuses and look for approval of why it is safe and good for you, when deep down, you know it isn't. I've been there. It is a very subtle poison. Read the Bible. Get high on God. Not the world.

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agree 110%

Circumcised_Heart said:

I'm sure this can result in a legal dispute, as I understand it is also illegal for the Federal Government to interfere in such affairs of state, making the outlawing of medicines which are legal in some states an illegal act by the Federal Government, and making such Federal laws legally invalid.

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The Federal government is supreme, and can indeed interfere, and does. Whether that will be sustained or not is determined purely by politics, not law.

JacksBratt said:

We already have alcohol, coffee, sugar, and a whole bunch of processed crap that make us unhealthy.... .

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Coffee? Coffee is probably the second healthiest drink on earth, chocolate being the first. There is tremendous nutritional value in coffee, and study after study has shown it to be very, very good for people across a variety of areas. It is the single greatest source of antioxidants in the human diet worldwide.

Coffee is healthier than orange juice. It does not belong on a list of unhealthy things.

Some superstitious people have decided coffee is bad because it's a stimulant. And yes, coffee close to bedtime is bad if you want to go to sleep.

Vast doses of coffee aren't good for you. And people have killed themselves drinking too much water also. But no, coffee is not one of those things that makes us unhealthy. It is one of those things in the category of spinach: it makes us more healthy. People who drink coffee are markedly healthier than people who do not. Study after study has shown this, across the board. There have been so many studies done because superstitious people simply refuse to believe it, but it is so.

Coffee does not belong on the list of bad things. It belongs on the list of health foods.

I would suggest fasting from weed and trying items available at the health food store.

I would highly recommend a magnesium/calcium powder (called Calm) that dissolves in water. B complex vitamins are also very important to calming the nervous system. I would also recommend taking Valerian capsules, at night, to help with sleep. Lavender is calming. So is Epson salt baths. There are a number of tea blends that are meant to relax during the day. Some teas are for right before bedtime too.

I have heard turning off all technology after 8pm to be helpful. Sleep in a completely dark room. Make sure your career is a good fit for you. If a college student, take up some form of exercise to help with stress. Even walking helps with stress and anxiety.

Try to improve your diet, if you can. Add nuts, but steer away from peanuts if you can. Eat enough protein -- (Amino acids feed neurotransmitters) if you are doing a lot of mental work, a little with every meal and snack is best.

Try journalling your thoughts, deep breathing, prayer. Make sure you are socializing with people face to face, not just on-line.

After fasting from weed, you can try ((GABA)). Fast acting. Available at health food stores. Nourishes neurotransmitters in the brain. DO NOT take with pharmaceutical meds. or weed etc.

This is just my personal testimony/opinion. I've been an avid weed smoker since I was 14 and except for the times I've been locked up or on probation I have been a basically daily smoker. I came to christ in 2015, and I'm currently struggling with this. I personally don't know if smoking weed is directly sinful. What I do know is that it is rebellion to break the law to indulge in recreation, especially recreation that changes your sobriety. I can attest to weed making me ULTRA depressed from constant smoking.. rage when I don't have smoke, etc.. and I noticed these when I was a lost soul.. I'm sure you can only imagine the hopelessness one could feel because of this, and ESPECIALLY when you know the spirit telling you to put something down and you persist in it. conviction, depression, rage.. not a good feeling. if it's legal where you are and you can have a honest open assessment of your spiritual well being with Christ and are receptive to the spirits direction it might be something you just have to test.. but be careful. I think that this is a very slippery slope and I would recommend trying to find a medication or method of treatment that doesn't give you such an enjoyable high so that way you know you are seeking the right things. There's nothing more important than the eternal life in the Lord jesus.

unfinishedclay said:

If weed becomes legal in all places, will all places of employment adjust their standards accordingly?

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No. Cannabis causes long-term impairment of judgement, so anyone whose job poses a safety risk will still risk losing it if he tests positive: operators of machinery, heavy equipment or vehicles, medical professionals... the list is extensive.

I work for a major manufacturer in a state where so-called "medical marijuana" is legal. If you test positive for cannabis while operating equipment, you're gone - just like if you test positive for alcohol. And if you smoked a week ago and don't feel high? - too bad, testing positive by definition means that your judgement is impaired. If you think otherwise, then guess what - if your judgement wasn't impaired you'd realize that you were wrong. I speak from long and painful experience.

faroukfarouk said:

@blackribbon I wonder if I could ask you, Do you think that pharmaceuticals rip people off? and do you think that it's vested interests to some extent that cause them to 'moralize' against certain substances which used to be legal in any case?

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No, I don't think drug manufactures rip anyone off. They do have to build into the cost of a medication the price for getting it to market and approved by the FDA. This is a multiple year process and it does cost a lot of money to develop a medication. Case in point, we now have a CURE for Hepatitis C. That did not exist 5 years ago. Yes, it is an expensive medication but it saves people's lives. People who had zero hope not so long ago. I find it interesting that people complain about the cost of a medication that literally saves their life .... but it cost less than they will pay for a car, their home, their computers, a family vacation...etc. They are not the enemy. They are providing a valuable service. They are providing a guaranteed dose and purity in each pill or IV medication. The supplements in the health food stores don't do that and aren't inspected by the FDA.

Drug manufactures can package "natural" substance and sell them. Marinol is made from marijuana. I give it to patients when it is prescribed. (I also have a lot of patients refuse it because they "don't like how it makes them feel"...they don't like "feeling so foggy". I give iron, calcium, vitamins, etc...all packaged and sold through drug manufactures. I don't understand why people aren't willing to pay for medication that will improve their quality of life but have no problem for cigarettes, alcohol, cars.... and nobody complains about how evil the brewery is for not giving away their product for free.

Also, if a person can really prove evidence that they can't afford a name brand medication (no generic available yet), all the drug manufacturers have programs where they will provide the medication for extremely reduced prices or even for free. I really doubt that Ford or most non-drug companies have a program like that.

chilehed said:

No. Cannabis causes long-term impairment of judgement, so anyone whose job poses a safety risk will still risk losing it if he tests positive: operators of machinery, heavy equipment or vehicles, medical professionals... the list is extensive.

I work for a major manufacturer in a state where so-called "medical marijuana" is legal. If you test positive for cannabis while operating equipment, you're gone - just like if you test positive for alcohol. And if you smoked a week ago and don't feel high? - too bad, testing positive by definition means that your judgement is impaired. If you think otherwise, then guess what - if your judgement wasn't impaired you'd realize that you were wrong. I speak from long and painful experience.

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How many of you want your surgeon to smoke some pot to reduce his anxiety before he walks into do your open heart surgery? Even if he has a medical marijuana card. He also better not have popped a couple narcotics for his back pain either...even if he has a legitimate medical issue and an appropriate prescription for the narcotics.

Bible says stay sober minded and follow the laws of the land. For those who don't know, pain pills get you high stronger and feel better than weed but someone prescribed them for a severe pain in their back doesn't sin when taking them. Just like pills, weed is fine for medicinal use. Your problem is that it's illegal federally making it a sin.

blackribbon said:

No, I don't think drug manufactures rip anyone off. They do have to build into the cost of a medication the price for getting it to market and approved by the FDA. This is a multiple year process and it does cost a lot of money to develop a medication. Case in point, we now have a CURE for Hepatitis C. That did not exist 5 years ago. Yes, it is an expensive medication but it saves people's lives. People who had zero hope not so long ago. I find it interesting that people complain about the cost of a medication that literally saves their life .... but it cost less than they will pay for a car, their home, their computers, a family vacation...etc. They are not the enemy. They are providing a valuable service. They are providing a guaranteed dose and purity in each pill or IV medication. The supplements in the health food stores don't do that and aren't inspected by the FDA.

Drug manufactures can package "natural" substance and sell them. Marinol is made from marijuana. I give it to patients when it is prescribed. (I also have a lot of patients refuse it because they "don't like how it makes them feel"...they don't like "feeling so foggy". I give iron, calcium, vitamins, etc...all packaged and sold through drug manufactures. I don't understand why people aren't willing to pay for medication that will improve their quality of life but have no problem for cigarettes, alcohol, cars.... and nobody complains about how evil the brewery is for not giving away their product for free.

Also, if a person can really prove evidence that they can't afford a name brand medication (no generic available yet), all the drug manufacturers have programs where they will provide the medication for extremely reduced prices or even for free. I really doubt that Ford or most non-drug companies have a program like that.

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Thanks for your comments.

Up here in Canada - and down in Mexico also - elderly visitors and sick people living near the border sometimes visit to purchase certain meds identical to those available in the US but at prices which may be down to 1/20 of what is paid in the US. Up here and in Mexico there are some strong controls on prescription drug prices, and the pharmaceutical lobby which has input into controls on those prices is not proportionately as strong as in the US.

Therefore where pharmaceuticals "moralize" against safe trials for cannabis, it may be assumed by those who are familiar with the way the price mechanism and lobbying works that a not dissimilar process is going on also.

(Hence my question.)

Mizm said:

Just want to clarify that I would never smoke weed on a day I work. I have people’s lives in my hands and I would never cloud my judgement like that.

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Are you sure it is out of your system before you go to work?

Do we know how long it is in a person's system?

Do you feel okay with breaking federal law? ... is that okay for a Christian to do?