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The LORD is my shepherd right now. He doesn't have to eliminate Satan today, he is keeping Satan away from the sheep.

John 3
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 6
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting/eternal (αιώνιος or "aionion") life.

John 5
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Like I say, you have a long way until the resurrection, so keep living the way you are and Jesus will continue to be your protectorate.

I am curious. Yesterday on the Sabbath, we had a lesson on the temple. Did you think this Christ-centered activity somehow reflected away from our Lord Jesus Christ?
 
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Like I say, you have a long way until the resurrection, so keep living the way you are and Jesus will continue to be your protectorate.

Mormon teaching:
Today there is much controversy and contention among the doctrines and philosophies of men relative to the requirements for entrance into the kingdom of God. Many have been deceived by the teachings of men that works and obedience to God’s commandments are not essential, and some base their contention on scriptures. For example, Paul said, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Eph. 2:8–9.)...

Contrary to what many think, just believing in God and being virtuous and pure are not sufficient to qualify a person for entrance into the kingdom of heaven...

People who accept and live doctrines of men do not know the living God.
Bernard P. Brockbank, “Entrance into the Kingdom of God,” Ensign, January 1973, p. 44
Alma 19:19–36. “Overpowered by the Spirit”
Those who do not have the Spirit of the Lord are unable to discern the workings of God. The Apostle Paul taught that “the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:14). On the day of Pentecost many of the Jews thought the disciples were drunk (see Acts 2:1–13), and some of the people in Enoch’s day took Enoch for a wild man (see [LDS scripture]Moses 6:38). The reactions of the Lamanites when they saw Ammon and the household of King Lamoni in a trance, overpowered by the Spirit, were similar.
Book of Mormon Student Manual, 1996, p. 81-82

"'Now, all the world today, I am sorry to say, with the exception of a handful of people who have obeyed the new and everlasting covenant, are suffering this spiritual death. They are cast out from the presence of God. They are without God, without Gospel truth, and without the power of redemption; for they know not God nor His Gospel. In order that they may be redeemed and saved from the spiritual death which has spread over the world like a pall, they must repent of their sins, and be baptized by one having [LDS] authority, for the remission of sins, that they may be born of God. That is why we want these young men to go out into the world to preach the Gospel. While they themselves understand but little perhaps, the germ of life is in them'"
(President Joseph F. Smith, Conference Report, Oct. 1899, p. 72)
Book of Mormon Student Manual, Copyright 1989, p. 111; copyright 1996, Chapter 38

I've already been judged and passed from death to life.


I am curious. Yesterday on the Sabbath, we had a lesson on the temple. Did you think this Christ-centered activity somehow reflected away from our Lord Jesus Christ?

Mormon lessons about temples are false teachings and Sunday isn't the Sabbath. The Sabbath was on the seventh day, not the first.
 
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Mormon teaching:
Today there is much controversy and contention among the doctrines and philosophies of men relative to the requirements for entrance into the kingdom of God. Many have been deceived by the teachings of men that works and obedience to God’s commandments are not essential, and some base their contention on scriptures. For example, Paul said, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Eph. 2:8–9.)...

Contrary to what many think, just believing in God and being virtuous and pure are not sufficient to qualify a person for entrance into the kingdom of heaven...

People who accept and live doctrines of men do not know the living God.
Bernard P. Brockbank, “Entrance into the Kingdom of God,” Ensign, January 1973, p. 44
Alma 19:19–36. “Overpowered by the Spirit”
Those who do not have the Spirit of the Lord are unable to discern the workings of God. The Apostle Paul taught that “the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:14). On the day of Pentecost many of the Jews thought the disciples were drunk (see Acts 2:1–13), and some of the people in Enoch’s day took Enoch for a wild man (see [LDS scripture]Moses 6:38). The reactions of the Lamanites when they saw Ammon and the household of King Lamoni in a trance, overpowered by the Spirit, were similar.
Book of Mormon Student Manual, 1996, p. 81-82

"'Now, all the world today, I am sorry to say, with the exception of a handful of people who have obeyed the new and everlasting covenant, are suffering this spiritual death. They are cast out from the presence of God. They are without God, without Gospel truth, and without the power of redemption; for they know not God nor His Gospel. In order that they may be redeemed and saved from the spiritual death which has spread over the world like a pall, they must repent of their sins, and be baptized by one having [LDS] authority, for the remission of sins, that they may be born of God. That is why we want these young men to go out into the world to preach the Gospel. While they themselves understand but little perhaps, the germ of life is in them'"
(President Joseph F. Smith, Conference Report, Oct. 1899, p. 72)
Book of Mormon Student Manual, Copyright 1989, p. 111; copyright 1996, Chapter 38

I've already been judged and passed from death to life.




Mormon lessons about temples are false teachings and Sunday isn't the Sabbath. The Sabbath was on the seventh day, not the first.

Pure Calvinism. BTW, the judgement does not happen until after the resurreciton for most folks:
Hebrews 9:27King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

2 Corinthians 5:10King James Version (KJV)
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

If you have been judged, did you stand before the judgment seat of Christ?

If you have been judged, have you died yet?

The Sabbath for a Christian, since the resurrection of Jesus Christ is Sunday not Saturday. I may have offended a Jewish person for saying that, but I should not need to be corrected by you, a Christian.
 
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The Sabbath for a Christian, since the resurrection of Jesus Christ is Sunday not Saturday. I may have offended a Jewish person for saying that, but I should not need to be corrected by you, a Christian.
Who are you to change the rules on what day the Sabbath is? The Sabbath was given to the Israelites, not the NT church.
Here is the Word of the Lord on the matter:
“Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ” (Colossians 2:16–17).
 
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Pure Calvinism. BTW, the judgement does not happen until after the resurreciton for most folks:
Hebrews 9:27King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

2 Corinthians 5:10King James Version (KJV)
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

If you have been judged, did you stand before the judgment seat of Christ?

If you have been judged, have you died yet?

The Sabbath for a Christian, since the resurrection of Jesus Christ is Sunday not Saturday. I may have offended a Jewish person for saying that, but I should not need to be corrected by you, a Christian.

You don't know your Bible and when I share it with you, you say, "Pure Calvinism."

Sunday is the Lord's day. There is no scripture stating that Sunday is the Sabbath.

Romans 3
21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

How could we be justified and freed from condemnation? Not on the basis of our works! We would have no righteous works except we are given faith in Christ and are regenerated by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 3
27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Romans 4
1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Read the Bible and believe it! It is an awesome surety of God's mercy.

John 5 KJV
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 5 NIV
24 "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

John 3
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Why don't you believe God's word? Calvin didn't write it; why do you give Calvin credit?

2 Corinthians 5
1For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. 5Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7(For we walk by faith, not by sight) 8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Philippians 1
21For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. 23For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: 24Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you. 25And having this confidence, I know that I shall abide and continue with you all for your furtherance and joy of faith; 26That your rejoicing may be more abundant in Jesus Christ for me by my coming to you again.

Philippians 1
3I thank my God upon every remembrance of you, 4Always in every prayer of mine for you all making request with joy, 5For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now; 6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Colossians 1
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and
unreprovable in his sight:
 
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Who are you to change the rules on what day the Sabbath is? The Sabbath was given to the Israelites, not the NT church.
Here is the Word of the Lord on the matter:
“Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ” (Colossians 2:16–17).
Please, this is not worth an angry response. We call Sunday the Lords day and the Sabbath, you call it what you wish. The end.
 
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You don't know your Bible and when I share it with you, you say, "Pure Calvinism."

Sunday is the Lord's day. There is no scripture stating that Sunday is the Sabbath.

Romans 3
21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

How could we be justified and freed from condemnation? Not on the basis of our works! We would have no righteous works except we are given faith in Christ and are regenerated by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 3
27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Romans 4
1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Read the Bible and believe it! It is an awesome surety of God's mercy.

John 5 KJV
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 5 NIV
24 "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

John 3
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Why don't you believe God's word? Calvin didn't write it; why do you give Calvin credit?

2 Corinthians 5
1For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. 5Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7(For we walk by faith, not by sight) 8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Philippians 1
21For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. 23For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: 24Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you. 25And having this confidence, I know that I shall abide and continue with you all for your furtherance and joy of faith; 26That your rejoicing may be more abundant in Jesus Christ for me by my coming to you again.

Philippians 1
3I thank my God upon every remembrance of you, 4Always in every prayer of mine for you all making request with joy, 5For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now; 6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Colossians 1
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and
unreprovable in his sight:[/QUOTE]

You don't know your Bible and when I share it with you, you say, "Pure Calvinism."

You don't know your Bible either, and when I share it with you, you say "Pure Mormonism", and then ignore it.

My challenge to you has always been that I can reconcile all biblical scriptures to Mormonism, but you cannot reconcile all biblical scriptures to your faith.
For instance reconcile this scripture:
Mark 16:16King James Version (KJV)
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

You usually come back to me and focus on the last part of the scripture, and you say because it doesn't mention baptism there, it is not important. You are just throwing a blanket over the scripture and hope you never have to read it again, because in your belief, all you have to do is believe and then it is automatic to the finish line. This scripture throws a wrench in your automatic progression, because you actually have to do a good work and be physically baptized in water. How nasty must that be for you?

So please reconcile having to 1)believe and 2) be baptized to be saved. Thank you.
 
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You don't know your Bible either, and when I share it with you, you say "Pure Mormonism", and then ignore it.

My challenge to you has always been that I can reconcile all biblical scriptures to Mormonism, but you cannot reconcile all biblical scriptures to your faith.
For instance reconcile this scripture:
Mark 16:16King James Version (KJV)
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

You usually come back to me and focus on the last part of the scripture, and you say because it doesn't mention baptism there, it is not important. You are just throwing a blanket over the scripture and hope you never have to read it again, because in your belief, all you have to do is believe and then it is automatic to the finish line. This scripture throws a wrench in your automatic progression, because you actually have to do a good work and be physically baptized in water. How nasty must that be for you?

So please reconcile having to 1)believe and 2) be baptized to be saved. Thank you.

Why did you quote something you don't believe?

Mark 16:16(KJV)
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

That is a contradiction to:

3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
Articles of Faith 1

Exaltation[Eternal Life] Is Based on Celestial Marriage

"If you want salvation in the fullest, that is exaltation in the kingdom of God, so that you may become his sons and daughters, you have got to go into the temple of the Lord and receive these holy ordinances which belong to that house, which cannot be had elsewhere. No man shall receive the fulness of eternity, of exaltation alone; no woman shall receive that blessing alone; but man and wife, when they receive the sealing power in the temple of the Lord, shall pass on to exaltation, and shall continue and become like the Lord. And that is the destiny of men, that is what the Lord desires for His children.(Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:43-44.)
Achieving a Celestial Marriage Student Manual, copyright 1976, 1992, by Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, p. 131

I believe BigDaddy4 and mmksparbud will admit to having been baptized. I have been baptized.
 
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Please, this is not worth an angry response. We call Sunday the Lords day and the Sabbath, you call it what you wish. The end.

I don't see any anger in the post you cited.
 
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Please, this is not worth an angry response.
No angry response. Just a genuine question of by what authority do you have to change the day of the week the Sabbath is on.
We call Sunday the Lords day and the Sabbath, you call it what you wish. The end.
Then your church is not the "restored" church. You make up your own rules regardless of what historical evidences there are. The Sabbath in the NT church at the time of the Apostles was on Saturday.
 
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No angry response. Just a genuine question of by what authority do you have to change the day of the week the Sabbath is on.

Then your church is not the "restored" church. You make up your own rules regardless of what historical evidences there are. The Sabbath in the NT church at the time of the Apostles was on Saturday.
Do you believe that Christ did away with the old law
 
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Do you believe that Christ did away with the old law
I believe Scripture.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17-18).

The "old law" kept Saturday (the 7th day) as the Sabbath. The NT church kept the same at the time of the Apostles. There are many instances of "on the first day of the week..." in Scripture, referring to the day after the Sabbath (Saturday).

Since the lds consider Sunday the sabbath, they cannot be the "restored" first century church they claim to be.
 
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Like I say, you have a long way until the resurrection, so keep living the way you are and Jesus will continue to be your protectorate.
pro·tec·tor·ate
prəˈtekt(ə)rət/
noun
  1. a state that is controlled and protected by another.
    www.dictionary.com/browse/protectorate
  • Mormonism teaches that God doesn't control anyone. Mormons also teach that man's salvation depends on his obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Mormon church.
No one who rejects the covenant of celestial marriage can reach exaltation in the eternal kingdom of God.

“In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees;

“And in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage];

“And if he does not, he cannot obtain it.

“He may enter into the other, but that is the end of his kingdom; he cannot have an increase.” (D&C 131:1–4.)

He cannot have an increase! He cannot have exaltation!

The Lord says further in the 132nd section of the Doctrine and Covenants:

“No one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory” (D&C 132:4).

No one! It matters not how righteous they may have been, how intelligent or how well trained they are. No one will enter this highest glory unless he enters into the covenant, and this means the new and everlasting covenant of marriage.
The Importance of Celestial Marriage - Ensign Oct. 1979 - ensign

And the missionaries didn't share this requirement with any of my family members before we were baptized. How deceitful and manipulative!
 
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pro·tec·tor·ate
prəˈtekt(ə)rət/
noun
  1. a state that is controlled and protected by another.
    www.dictionary.com/browse/protectorate
  • Mormonism teaches that God doesn't control anyone. Mormons also teach that man's salvation depends on his obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Mormon church.
No one who rejects the covenant of celestial marriage can reach exaltation in the eternal kingdom of God.

“In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees;

“And in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage];

“And if he does not, he cannot obtain it.

“He may enter into the other, but that is the end of his kingdom; he cannot have an increase.” (D&C 131:1–4.)

He cannot have an increase! He cannot have exaltation!

The Lord says further in the 132nd section of the Doctrine and Covenants:

“No one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory” (D&C 132:4).

No one! It matters not how righteous they may have been, how intelligent or how well trained they are. No one will enter this highest glory unless he enters into the covenant, and this means the new and everlasting covenant of marriage.
The Importance of Celestial Marriage - Ensign Oct. 1979 - ensign

And the missionaries didn't share this requirement with any of my family members before we were baptized. How deceitful and manipulative!
Did you eventually learn this? And what did you do with this knowledge? Didn't you attend the temple and do these things for a while?

Then did you decide you were manipulated and decided to reject it?

Was Paul deceitful to the saints of the NT. He would not give them the meat of the gospel either at first, in fact I don't think he was able to give them the meat because as he says, they would not receive it. Well you got the meat of the gospel and you rejected it too. We do not give the meat at the first discussions, we give you principle upon principle, until you receive the highest principles and are able to recieve them and act on them. The NT church would not even recieve them. You received them and then eventually rejected them. Good going.
 
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Why did you quote something you don't believe?

Mark 16:16(KJV)
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

That is a contradiction to:

3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
Articles of Faith 1

Exaltation[Eternal Life] Is Based on Celestial Marriage

"If you want salvation in the fullest, that is exaltation in the kingdom of God, so that you may become his sons and daughters, you have got to go into the temple of the Lord and receive these holy ordinances which belong to that house, which cannot be had elsewhere. No man shall receive the fulness of eternity, of exaltation alone; no woman shall receive that blessing alone; but man and wife, when they receive the sealing power in the temple of the Lord, shall pass on to exaltation, and shall continue and become like the Lord. And that is the destiny of men, that is what the Lord desires for His children.(Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:43-44.)
Achieving a Celestial Marriage Student Manual, copyright 1976, 1992, by Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, p. 131

I believe BigDaddy4 and mmksparbud will admit to having been baptized. I have been baptized.

That is a contradiction to:

3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
Articles of Faith 1

This is a true statement. Unless you live the gospel and obey the laws and the ordinances of the gospel, the atonement of Jesus Christ will get you into heaven, but you will be in a lower level of heaven. You will not be in the highest level of heaven.

Belief and getting baptized is just the beginning. Obeying the gospel and doing good works, and completing all of the ordinances, moving from grace to grace, is an ongoing opportunity to show Jesus that his sacrifice was worth it, and it was not done in vain. Those who follow Jesus's path will end up in the highest KOG, those that do not will end up in a lower KOG. It is just that clear and simple.
 
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This is a true statement. Unless you live the gospel and obey the laws and the ordinances of the gospel, the atonement of Jesus Christ will get you into heaven, but you will be in a lower level of heaven. You will not be in the highest level of heaven.

Belief and getting baptized is just the beginning. Obeying the gospel and doing good works, and completing all of the ordinances, moving from grace to grace, is an ongoing opportunity to show Jesus that his sacrifice was worth it, and it was not done in vain. Those who follow Jesus's path will end up in the highest KOG, those that do not will end up in a lower KOG. It is just that clear and simple.

Heaven has no levels. God blesses all Christians with His presence.
 
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This is a true statement. Unless you live the gospel and obey the laws and the ordinances of the gospel, the atonement of Jesus Christ will get you into heaven, but you will be in a lower level of heaven. You will not be in the highest level of heaven.

Belief and getting baptized is just the beginning. Obeying the gospel and doing good works, and completing all of the ordinances, moving from grace to grace, is an ongoing opportunity to show Jesus that his sacrifice was worth it, and it was not done in vain. Those who follow Jesus's path will end up in the highest KOG, those that do not will end up in a lower KOG. It is just that clear and simple.

Those who follow Jesus aren't going to follow Joseph Smith and his followers.
 
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