Desiring to be rich is a snare.

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I concur. Although in this case I think we're seeing a mixture of good old fashioned class envy coupled with the Pharisee from Luke 18:9-14.
I'm in the process of de-wealthing.

Strange thing is the more I disinvest, the more I'm getting. I've lost count of the trips to exotic countries I've been to this year. Tried to send others to do the work, but nobody could go.

I've lost count of the new electronic geegaws landing in my plate without asking.

This is just the desirable things. As for daily necessities, dunt even ask.
 
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Your posts are becoming incoherent. Too many issues?

Maybe you need to simplify what is in the mix.

You can't escape the teaching which says no one can become a disciple unless he gives up all he has and follows Jesus.

Luke 14:33New International Version (NIV) . 33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.
Dont worry, I didnt understand it at first either. We have to eat the whole book, not just parts of it as it falls in line with our personal beliefs.

"17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him."

I say we've belabored this topic long enough....Maybe we should just start praying like that other poster.
 
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I'm in the process of de-wealthing.

Strange thing is the more I disinvest, the more I'm getting. I've lost count of the trips to exotic countries I've been to this year. Tried to send others to do the work, but nobody could go.

I've lost count of the new electronic geegaws landing in my plate without asking.

This is just the desirable things. As for daily necessities, dunt even ask.
This is a law that wont be broken. The more you give the more you receive. If you want to be poor outwardly, you have to stop giving, start holding unto what you have, and start speaking negatively of people who have material wealth.

I've never been anywhere exotic.....because I dont desire it. But Im happy that you get to go. If I ever start to want it, all I have to do is Ask my Father for it and he Will give it to me. Therefore, there is no need for me to desire what you have.
 
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I feel that I could quote the whole bible, yet you still will not understand. You read to confirm your own feelings, not to get the truth revealed to you.
This is not the best argument to use, as the same could be used of you. So let's stick to objectivity, as we do not personally know each.

Who said anything against giving and sharing. in Fact, if you want to remain poor, you have to stop giving and sharing.

I get what you are saying and it is very true. If we stop helping and loving our neighbors, we will be spiritually poor (lacking Christ as our true treasure). But the OP is on physical worldly wealth (earthly possessions) and how can be a snare.

The fact that when you read "Give up all your possessions" you think about money and material wealth, is why wealth has a hold on you. When it looses it's hold on you, you will see something more critical to give up.....then you will receive life.
Again I understand what you are saying. But the OP is on 1 timothy 6, which is about physical "green" money and material wealth.

You are linking giving up material wealth with getting treasures in heaven.......

yes, as the treasure is Christ

......this is similar to going to a store and giving up money to get merchandise.

No, it's not at all.
It's more like not caring about worldly wealth because Christ is the true treasure.

.....but I dont believe it is money.

Money is one aspect, anything selfish really.

I dont understand why you dont make replies to the OP and not my posts.

The OP is about physical material wealth and how it can be a snare. Above, you stated you do not believe it is money.

I find nothing wrong with you believing what you believe.

Are you sure about that?

And I have not stated that anyone should be rich or poor.
Again, not the purpose of the OP. So I will try to make it clear for you.

Do you think earthly wealth and possessions can be a dangerous snare?
 
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Do you think earthly wealth and possessions can be a dangerous snare?
I've stated many times that the verse in the OP is true, it can be a snare. ...which is why i dont get why you guys are replying to me.... But we shifted from that fact, to personally opinions of the carnality of people that are rich as a whole. It became about rich being wrong and poor right. This is the only thing i dont agree with.

I've already posted, as well, about why it is pointless to desire riches. It is like desiring an apple that is on your table. If you want it, go eat it! dont just sit there desiring to eat it, or looking at others eating the apples they desire, or questioning how many apples they have....
 
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Wow, what a misquoting of scripture.
I wasnt quoting scripture here. You see, when you are reading a story, you usually put Quotes around the parts where a person is talking.....it is not always a quotation from another source.

A verse can have many meanings......the meaning you receive depend on your level of understanding. For now wealth and riches mean physical green paper. In the future, maybe it will mean more than that.
 
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It became about rich being wrong and poor right. This is the only thing i dont agree with.

Yea, Paul should never have wrote a scripture judging false teachers who promote wealth. Who was he to judge who is wealthy and who is not?
 
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I wasnt quoting scripture here. You see, when you are reading a story, you usually put Quotes around the parts where a person is talking.....it is not always a quotation from another source.

So where did you get this from, if it wasn't from scripture?
People are are going to stand before God in that day and say, "didnt I give up all my money and materials possesions?" "didnt I make myself poor in your name?"

Depart from me!
 
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I believe that worrying about holding wealth is the same as worrying about releasing it. you still have to have your mind on wealth and not God. Acknowledge God in all your ways and he shall direct your path.
Desiring to be rich is a snare and the apostles warn us. Somehow you have twisted this teaching in a way that would cause one to ignore the Lords teaching.
 
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I've already posted, as well, about why it is pointless to desire riches. It is like desiring an apple that is on your table. If you want it, go eat it! dont just sit there desiring to eat it, or looking at others eating the apples they desire, or questioning how many apples they have....

But if a Christian teacher comes and tells us if we desire earthly wealth we should take it, that is wrong. If we see other Christians desiring to be wealthy with earthly possessions, that is wrong and we are to correct. If we a see a Christian hoarding many earthly possessions, while turning a blind eye to the poor, that it wrong, and we are to correct.

Anyone who teaches otherwise is a false teacher, according to Paul in 1 timothy 6.
 
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But if a Christian teacher comes and tells us if we desire earthly wealth we should take it, that is wrong. If we see other Christians desiring to be wealthy with earthly possessions, that is wrong and we are to correct. If we a see a Christian hoarding many earthly possessions, while turning a blind eye to the poor, that it wrong, and we are to correct.

Anyone who teaches otherwise is a false teacher, according to Paul in 1 timothy 6.
I encourage you to continue to do that you feel is right in your heart. Please disregard my previous posts.
 
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Desiring to be rich is a snare and the apostles warn us. Somehow you have twisted this teaching in a way that would cause one to ignore the Lords teaching.
What you stated here and in the OP is correct. I can understand why you feel I have twisted it. Please disregard my previous posts. thank you
 
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I encourage you to continue to do that you feel is right in your heart. Please disregard my previous posts.
Another false teaching. Christians should not encourage this. This is what the world encourages.


Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it?
 
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Another false teaching. Christians should not encourage this. This is what the world does.
Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it?
You are right again. CF is a better place because you are here. Good luck to you.
 
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Yea, Paul should never have wrote a scripture judging false teachers who promote wealth. Who was he to judge who is wealthy and who is not?
What is material is often at odds with the spiritual. Paul is not wrong.

Jesus said do not store earthly treasures but treasures in heaven.

Jesus went farther
And said His Kingdom is not here either.

You guys who love your stuff do what you want but own where your treasure is.
 
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