What is foreknowledge?

Everybodyknows · Nov 5, 2017

Marvin Knox said:
Jesus was fully human.

Jesus is God.
Jesus wasn't always human
Jesus became human (the word became flesh)
Jesus was fully human.
Jesus changed.
God became human

Ron Gurley · Nov 5, 2017

"fore-know"?

Acts 2:23 (ALL NASB)
this Man, (Jesus) delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God,
you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death.

1 Peter 1:2
according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,
by the sanctifying work of (God) the (Holy) Spirit,
to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood:
May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.

1 Peter 1:20
For He (Jesus) was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you...

the foreknowledge...Greek 4268...prognōsis...II.forethought, pre-arrangement

1 Corinthians 12:8...Spiritual gifts
For to one is given the "word of wisdom" through the Spirit, and to another the "word of knowledge" according to the same Spirit;

God fore-knows all. He is omniscient.

Infinite and eternal, He is beyond the constraints of man's imperfect measurement of time and space.

God never changes and is unchangeable...immutable.

BUT...His plan for man as seen by Man has changed from OT to NT.

God does not irrevocably PRE-DESTINATE
because He gave angels and Man "free will" to operate within His Sovreignty.

Marvin Knox · Nov 5, 2017

YouAreAwesome said:
How do you explain existence changing without God changing?

Everybodyknows said:
Jesus is God.

Jesus wasn't always human

Jesus became human (the word became flesh)

Jesus was fully human.

Jesus changed.

God became human

I explained it to you. The creation is not God. God created it out of nothing.

Jesus wasn't always human? Jesus was always human from the moment of His conception.

I (quite seriously) thought about asking how old you guys are. Then I saw that you were both married and realized that you must be at least adults.

Go back and read my last posts to you again very carefully.

It seems to me that you guys either have to be kidding or you aren't playing with a full deck.

SBC · Nov 5, 2017

Everybodyknows said:
He was both divine and human. Before he came to earth he was only divine.

Humans comes from Dust.
Your Lord is Dust?

God Bless,
SBC

Everybodyknows · Nov 5, 2017

Marvin Knox said:
Jesus was always human from the moment of His conception.

What was he before his conception?

Everybodyknows · Nov 5, 2017

Marvin Knox said:
Jesus was always human from the moment of His conception.

SBC said:
Humans comes from Dust.
Your Lord is Dust?

I'm not sure you two agree on your theology either.

Everybodyknows · Nov 5, 2017

Marvin Knox said:
I explained it to you. The creation is not God. God created it out of nothing.

Jesus wasn't always human? Jesus was always human from the moment of His conception.

I (quite seriously) thought about asking how old you guys are. Then I saw that you were both married and realized that you must be at least adults.

Go back and read my last posts to you again very carefully.

It seems to me that you guys either have to be kidding or you aren't playing with a full deck.

Could we have a discussion minus the insults please. There're are many differing views on the divinity/humanity of Christ throughout Christian history. So no need to take offence if you come across one that differs from your own.

Marvin Knox · Nov 5, 2017

Everybodyknows said:
I'm not sure you two agree on your theology either.

I don't believe we do. Nor has either of us said that we do. Our posts are completely independent from each other and your conversations with both of us are independent from each other.

Everybodyknows said:
What was he before his conception?

Jesus was non existent before His conception just as you and I were.

Everybodyknows said:
Could we have a discussion minus the insults please. There're are many differing views on the divinity/humanity of Christ throughout Christian history. So no need to take offence if you come across one that differs from your own.

The heretical idea that God became man and that man became God in the incarnation was put to rest at Chalcedon.

Everybodyknows · Nov 5, 2017

Marvin Knox said:
I don't believe we do. Nor has either of us said that we do. Our posts are completely independent from each other and your conversations with both of us are independent from each other.

But you both claim that your view comes from the Bible.

Marvin Knox said:
Jesus was non existent before His conception just as you and I were.

So the Trinity didn't exist before Jesus's conception then. That seems like a major change. Jesus (God) began to exist. Another major change.

Marvin Knox · Nov 5, 2017

Everybodyknows said:
But you both claim that your view comes from the Bible.

So what? We don't even know each other.

Lots of people who believe the Bible to be the Word of God have quite different beliefs about what it says (witness John Calvin and Jacobus Arminius).

Everybodyknows said:
So the Trinity didn't exist before Jesus's conception then..................

I said no such thing.

The Chalcedonian creed tells us that, Jesus is “recognized in two natures [God and man], without confusion, without change, without division, without separation; the distinction of natures being in no way annulled by union, but rather the characteristics of each nature being preserved and coming together to form one person and subsistence, not as parted or separated into two persons but one and the same Son and Only-begotten God the Word, Lord Jesus Christ.”

That is the way I and most of the Church believe.

Obviously you believe otherwise.

Everybodyknows · Nov 5, 2017

Marvin Knox said:
Lots of people who believe the Bible to be the Word of God have quite different beliefs about what it says (Witness John Calvin and Jacobus Arminius).

That's the point I'm trying to make. Same Bible yet @SBC, @YouAreAwesome, yourself and me all have different understandings of what it means. So let's try to understand why we think what we think and allow others to challenge or thinking.

Marvin Knox said:
I said no such thing.

The Chalcedonian creed tells us that, Jesus is “recognized in two natures [God and man], without confusion, without change, without division, without separation; the distinction of natures being in no way annulled by union, but rather the characteristics of each nature being preserved and coming together to form one person and subsistence, not as parted or separated into two persons but one and the same Son and Only-begotten God the Word, Lord Jesus Christ.”

That is the way I and most of the Church believe.

Obviously you believe otherwise.

I agree with that creed, but I don't see how you've come to the conclusion that Jesus was non-existent before his conception. If he didn't exist then what comprised the Trinity?

SBC · Nov 5, 2017

YouAreAwesome said:
I agree with you, so if God is never presented with new knowledge then why did He create this world?

For His pleasure.

If He saw everything ahead of time, exactly as it is today, why didn't He make it slightly better?

He made it Very Good.

Why did He not make the best possible world?

You mean better than "Very Good", like "perfect"?
If all of Gods creations had been made "perfect", all of mankind would have been created "loving Him", and "believing in Him".

You would have had no freewill. Nor would God have had "true love" or "true belief" in Him, from you.

You might answer "He did and we wrecked it!"

But our wrecking it was also seen by God. It was all a part of His decision to create it in the first place. It is the main objection to the Free Will Defence and the objection is supported by strong immutability.

Of course God knew what mankind would do, each one individually, collectively.
Of course God knew SOME WOULD choose to love Him, believe in Him.....DESPITE
...having the people constantly facing of people who would be anti-God, anti-Christ.

Do you not think it's a little naive to believe you can interpret the bible correctly on first reading by simply trusting what God says?

1) How did you decide, I interpret the Bible?
2) How did you decide, Trusting what one reads, gives one ability to interpret?

Surely if it were that simple we would all believe the same thing right?

Do you not think it's a little naive to believe you can interpret the bible correctly on first reading by simply trusting what God says?

This is Your words of what you think, for me. I do not agree with your thinking for me.

Surely if it were that simple we would all believe the same thing right?

You will have to answer for what you think. I already know differently.

No need for bible studies. No need for seminary. No need for strong concordance. No need for learning the cultural context. It is something to be applauded, the optimism of a simple faith, but we must be aware of the limitations. What are the limitations?

This is your scenario, not mine. I don't agree with you, so you will have to answer your own question.

Yes, exactly. Exegesis.

No. It is not critical thinking to determine a reason. It is simply trusting God does not lie.

I don't doubt that God can teach us about Himself completely separate to the bible, or that we can gain insights by reading of a verse out of its context, but we must recognise when we are doing this -- it's called Eisegesis -- and we can't use it to justify doctrine, even if we find it personally edifying.

You need to decide, to Trust to believe Gods Word, or not.

Put away all the fancy flowery words of men, if Scripture is True or subject to a natural mans critical thinking, interpretation, context, literal, understanding, etc.

Stop accusing me, by your words speaking for me, and your thinking for me.

IF you can find yourself to trust Gods Word, then let it stand and be so in all that you read.

IF you are reading God Speaking, Jesus Speaking, EVERY WORD, said IS TRUE, period.
The circumstances the context is irrelevant. Stop trying to use mans mindful thinking, and concluding and fancy words as justification to make Gods Word, Jesus' speaking, a lie.

You agreed Parables, (in mans words, are not literal, but give a literal truth).
Hogwash. Jesus' entire DOCTRINE was spoken by Him in PARABLES. Jesus IS the Truth, and you agreed with a man, that what Jesus said was NOT LITERAL. Not literal, means room for speaking what is a LIE, NOT TRUE!
Think about your oxymoron teaching. "oh sure, Jesus is the Truth, but He doesn't always LITERALLY speak the truth?" Seriously?

THAT is the problem with using a natural mans flowery words to EXPLAIN Scripture.

And WHY is a natural man trying to EXPLAIN/ interpret/ give the understanding of Scripture?

How does a natural man have such ability? Out of his pea brain MIND? The Greeks pretty much invented PHILOSOPHY, where by certain men did nothing but use their MIND as their tool for work to READ Scripture, THINK, THINK, THINK, its LOGICAL course then SPEAK, SPEAK, SPEAK, what the meaning / interpretation / and understanding of Scripture "really" means.......ACCORDING TO? Their pea brain MIND!

And? If that is not enough - Other men hang on their every Philosophical thought, repeat it as THEIR TRUTH. Catholics do the same, hanging on every word of their Pope, to tell them what to believe as their Truth, He has decided is their Truth. And people do the same thing, with their Pastors, Vicars, Priests, Clergy, etc. WAITING for them to tell them WHAT to believe as their TRUTH!

The average clergyman, spends little time reading Scripture, and the people, as well spend little time reading Scripture. Christians like to have a Bible, but many never open it and read it.

So HOW do YOU decide the interpretation, meaning of scripture? From other men? From critical thinking in your mind?

Can you answer?

God does not change with regard to: character and promises.

God does not change. Period.

God changes with regard to: the universe, our free-choices,

God is not the universe. God is not a created being.

His will/mind

God does not change His will, His mind. God is all knowing. God already knows what He will do, not do.

You seem to believe, God WAITS for a reaction of His creation, to decide what He will do. Which is false. God already knows what men will do. God already knows WHICH men will change their choices, and God already knows what He will do WHEN a man changes his choices.

Deuteronomy 9:13–14, 18–20, 25; 1 Samuel 2:27–36; 2 Kings 20:1–7; 1 Chronicles 21:15; Jeremiah 26:19; Ezekiel 20:5–22; Amos 7:1–6; Jonah 1:2; 3:2, 4–10 etc.)

Your understanding is carnal understanding in these texts.

Clue - The Words of Scripture are True, you can believe them or not.
Clue - A natural man CAN mindfully conclude the understanding of Scripture.
Clue - A natural mans mindful understanding is but foolishness to God.
Clue - Gods understanding of Scripture is not the same as mans mindful understanding.
Clue - Scripture is for Knowledge.
Clue - Understanding of the Knowledge is only given a man, BY God.

Rom 8 [7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:

When you argue with me, with your words speaking for me or your thoughts thinking for me. I disagree with what you say FOR ME and think FOR ME.

Me speaking for myself is sufficient.

When you argue with me, what I say for myself, you argue against Scripture and Gods understanding, because what I say for myself, is according to Scripture and Gods understanding.

God Bless,
SBC

YouAreAwesome · Nov 6, 2017

Marvin Knox said:
God created it out of nothing.

So the unchangeable God created. How does He create without changing something? To change something He must do something. To do something is to change, or else, He would do nothing and everything would have remained as it were -- with God alone, frozen and static.

YouAreAwesome · Nov 6, 2017

SBC said:
For His pleasure.

God created evil, pain and suffering for His pleasure?

SBC said:
If He saw everything ahead of time, exactly as it is today, why didn't He make it slightly better?

Click to expand...

He made it Very Good.

I asked, why didn't He make it better?

SBC said:
You mean better than "Very Good", like "perfect"?
If all of Gods creations had been made "perfect", all of mankind would have been created "loving Him", and "believing in Him".

Is that a problem?

I'll answer the rest later, you accidentally posted answers within my reply... do you think you could edit it? If not, I'll just answer, but it takes a little longer. All good.

SBC · Nov 6, 2017

Everybodyknows said:
I'm not sure you two agree on your theology either.

Knox and I have not engaged in discussion. I have seen his posts, and agree with much he offers, but we do have some differences.

Scripture simply offers one KNOWLEDGE, (not understanding thereof).
Any man can choose to believe the KNOWLEDGE, or not.
Any man can choose to believe the KNOWLEDGE, and mindfully decide the understanding.
Any man can choose to reject the KNOWLEDGE, because he does not understand it.

Any man can choose to believe the KNOWLEDGE, and mindfully decide the understanding.
It is THIS point, that has men at odds with each other.
It is THIS point, where flowery language, half truths, of "their understanding", twists
the understanding into being in their mind, to make opposites "appear" justified.

For example;

Jesus was called a man. No problem. I can call Him a man, all day long.

And the WHY is because; He specifically came to earth, in a prepared body, that looks LIKE a man of the earth. He specifically came to earth, in the LIKENESS as a man, of the earth. So was He a man of the earth? Or was He the Spirit of God, revealed in a manner, a fashion, a likeness, that men OF the earth, could SEE Him?

It is REVEALED in Scripture He IS the latter!

Now here is mans TWISTING of the TRUTH.
You call Jesus a HU-MAN.
Human is a term not found in scripture, but we can determine the meaning, by what men have decided a HU-MAN is;

HUMAN -
relating to or characteristic of people or human beings.
a human being, especially a person as distinguished from an animal or (in science fiction) an alien.

HUMAN BEING-
a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

PERSON -
a human being regarded as an individual.

SPIRIT-
the nonphysical part of a person that is the seat of emotions and character; the soul.

SOUL-
the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.

GOD-

1.
(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
synonyms: the Lord, the Almighty, the Creator, the Maker, the Godhead; More
Allah, Jehovah, Yahweh;
(God) the Father, (God) the Son, the Holy Ghost/Spirit, the Holy Trinity;
2.
(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

IF you read Scripture and believe it is True - you would find God, (which you call the Father, Son, Holy Spirit) created ALL things. God CREATED all things.

God created a kind of thing out of Dust of the Earth, HE CALLED MAN.

We, the created, call ALL OF this kind of thing; mankind, HUMANS.

Scripture is very clear - God SENT, from Heaven to Earth, 'a HOLY THING", in the LIKENESS of an earthly MAN, and called this LIKENESS, a man.

A KIND of thing out of the Dust, IS a man. Not a LIKENESS of a man, but IS a man.

Nothing whatsoever (in SCRIPTURE) teaches you, Jesus, IS DUST out of the earth.
Nothing whatsoever (in SCRIPTURE) teaches you, that, Jesus IS A HUMAN!

Scripture teaches Jesus, has NO BEGINNING or ENDING.
Scripture teaches Human men do not exist, then exist, and shall die, and some will exist again and some will not.

How you conclude your testimony is TRUE, is in opposition to the TRUTH in Scripture.
God IS NOT the creator and the created.
God IS NOT the creator and the human man.

God IS Spirit and can APPEAR in ANY FASHION, for a "human", to SEE HIM.

Human men are corrupt, and HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN the power to cast their corrupt eyes upon God, and corrupt HIS Holiness.

IF you speak the TRUTH, and Seek the understanding thereof, it will be given you.

If you speak psychobabble, half truths, and understanding of men, IN JESUS NAME, you do NOT do the will of the Father, and the consequences thereof, are plainly told you IN Scripture.

You presume you argue against me. No. You argue against Gods Word.

God is not a Human. Jesus is not a Human. And if and when you should appear in the LIKENESS of GOD, you will NOT BE GOD, any more that God appearing in the LIKENESS of MEN, makes God a created human man.

Another example of TWISTING -
One man making CLAIMS for another man -

One man REWORDING another mans words - then arguing against their own words that they have changed by "rewording".

God Bless,
SBC

SBC · Nov 6, 2017

YouAreAwesome said:
So the unchangeable God created. How does He create without changing something? To change something He must do something. To do something is to change, or else, He would do nothing and everything would have remained as it were -- with God alone, frozen and static.

You confuse God who is unchangeable - attempting to equal Him to the same as the absolutely changeable things created.

God Bless,
SBC

SBC · Nov 6, 2017

YouAreAwesome said:
God created evil, pain and suffering for His pleasure?

It is Gods Pleasure that His will be done. Evil plays a part in effecting His WILL be done.

I asked, why didn't He make it better?

I know what you asked. Why don't you ask God Himself? Seems you are the one disappointed in what and how He made what He did.
I said what God created was VERY GOOD.
I have no qualms with what and how He made what He did.

Is that a problem?

Perhaps not for you.

However God's Will is that a man CHOOSE to believe in Him, Love Him.

Perhaps for you, you would be content that others LOVE you because they are FORCED TO.

Me, personally, I favor Gods WAY. I would rather a person chooses to love me, because they choose to, want to, NOT because they have no choice in the matter.

God Bless,
SBC

Everybodyknows · Nov 6, 2017

SBC said:
If you speak psychobabble, half truths, and understanding of men, IN JESUS NAME, you do NOT do the will of the Father, and the consequences thereof, are plainly told you IN Scripture.

I'll bow out of this discussion here before I condemn myself any further. I'm sorry I misunderstood the scripture. May the Lord have mercy on my soul.

YouAreAwesome · Nov 6, 2017

SBC said:
Of course God knew what mankind would do, each one individually, collectively.
Of course God knew SOME WOULD choose to love Him, believe in Him.....DESPITE
...having the people constantly facing of people who would be anti-God, anti-Christ.

Do you also believe God knew that there would be all the evils and suffering but chose to create anyway? If the world can be better, but He chose to make it better, is He not to be held responsible for the evil?

SBC said:
1) How did you decide, I interpret the Bible?
2) How did you decide, Trusting what one reads, gives one ability to interpret?

Let's say Bob and Jane are recently saved. They each read their Bibles individually and let the Holy Spirit teach them. Do you think they will reach identical conclusions? Of course not. If they are true to the Spirit they will each grow in the fruits of the Spirit, love, patience, etc. They will grow up in Christ. But will their doctrines be the same? Of course not. There is a big difference between growing spiritually and learning to understand the bible and theology. To say "I listen to the Spirit, He leads me into all Truth, I know all about God" is presumptuous. Yes, I believe you listen to the Spirit, yes, I believe He leads you into Himself, no, I don't believe you know all about God, in fact, no one does, hence the need for discussion, humility, and learning. sf

After this you started telling me that I'm putting words in your mouth. Can you tell me how you deal with Bob and Jane?

Surely if it were that simple we would all believe the same thing right?
You will have to answer for what you think. I already know differently.

I have answered this, though I could answer again. What do you know that is different?

SBC said:
The circumstances the context is irrelevant.

Please explain to me 1 Corinthians 14:34

SBC said:
Catholics do the same, hanging on every word of their Pope, to tell them what to believe as their Truth, He has decided is their Truth.

Catholics are awesome.

SBC said:
The average clergyman, spends little time reading Scripture

You know the reading habits of all clergyman?

SBC said:
So HOW do YOU decide the interpretation, meaning of scripture? From other men? From critical thinking in your mind?

Can you answer?

I read the bible, a chapter a day, from about 15 years old to 23 years old. I then studied at least a chapter, but usually more, sometimes whole books of the bible from age 23 to 30 years old. After this, I have spent more time reading the insight of others. To interpret scripture one must listen to the Holy Spirit, recognise who the writer is writing to, find the purpose of the book as a whole so as to not take something out of context, weigh the writing against the Person of Jesus (specifically His love and selflessness), discuss anything that doesn't make sense with others, read and listen to what others have to say about it, and I could probably continue to list more. The point being, listening to the Holy Spirit is one part of a whole plan.

SBC said:
You seem to believe, God WAITS for a reaction of His creation, to decide what He will do. Which is false. God already knows what men will do. God already knows WHICH men will change their choices, and God already knows what He will do WHEN a man changes his choices.

You are right, we disagree here. I believe God interacts with us on a personal level, that our desires are important enough to Him for Him to respond to them if He so chooses. I believe He cares about what we think. He doesn't have to, of course, He is God, but He loves us and chooses to acknowledge us as important to Him. I read these passages Deuteronomy 9:13–14, 18–20, 25; 1 Samuel 2:27–36; 2 Kings 20:1–7; 1 Chronicles 21:15; Jeremiah 26:19; Ezekiel 20:5–22; Amos 7:1–6; Jonah 1:2; 3:2, 4–10 and more from this perspective.

SBC said:
When you argue with me, what I say for myself, you argue against Scripture and Gods understanding, because what I say for myself, is according to Scripture and Gods understanding.

Do you think your confidence in understanding God and Scripture causes unity or division?

SBC · Nov 6, 2017

Marvin Knox said:
I

Jesus was non existent before His conception just as you and I were.

In brief;

I disagree with this, worded in this fashion.
(not sure if you are simply speaking of His name not existing, or his body, or that you mean "not existent" as "not having been revealed" or ?)

The NAME of Jesus was kept secret from men, then later revealed.
Jesus IS the Word of God, God Himself, purposed by God for God.

Eph 1
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

The Word of God came forth out from Gods mouth, and SPOKE creation into existence.
The Power (Spirit) of God effected His Words to bring forth what God SPOKE.

Gen.1
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

John.1
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Col 1
[16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Isa 41
[4] Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.

Isa 48
[12] Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

Isa 48
[3] I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass.

Isa 55
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

The thing? A prepared body in the likeness as a man. A virgin woman's womb.

Heb 10
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Sacrifice and offering He would not.....but, a prepared BODY was sacrificed and offered.

Heb 10
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

And what was the "thing" in that woman's virgin womb?

Luke 1
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

And HOW was that "holy thing", revealed to mankind?

Acts 2
[30] Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

How is the flesh revealed? Coming forth out of a woman's womb. Jesus' revealing accomplished. But Isaiah foretold of this thing would accomplish what pleases God and so we fine numerous things accomplished.

Another thing revealed;
Rom 1 [3] Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

What is the seed of David "according to the flesh" ? Abraham's natural descendant.
How was Jesus a natural descendant of Abraham? By PROMISE. How so? Abraham was promised to be a Father of many Nations. Was Jesus part of a Nation, when He was on earth? Yes. He was declared a Jew, by mans Jewish Law. He was declared a Galilean, by mans Law, that He was the Son of Joseph and Mary, from the state of Galilee. By Mans Law, every descendant of Abraham is a child of/ descendant of Abraham.

By PROMISE, every descendant of Abraham, that has the SAME SEED, as Abraham, shall be Abraham's son/child.

By decree spoken, NOT every descendant of Abraham's STOCK (sperm) descendants will be Abraham's PROMISED descendant, (entitled to Abraham's land inheritance)

Did Jesus have the SEED, Abraham had? yes. Sperm seed ? no. Spiritual SEED of God? yes. How so? Christ Jesus IS the Seed of God!

And so HOW did Jesus become the Son of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Mary ?
By PROMISE. By Having the SAME "promised" SEED, Abraham had.

How? In the same fashion, Jesus was revealed in the likeness as a man.

Phil 2 [7] ...took upon him the form of a servant....
Heb 2 [16] .. he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Gal 3 [16] Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Rom 4
[16] Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Gal 3
[7] Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Was Jesus "of faith"? Of course. Was Jesus therefore a Son of Abraham? A Son of David? A Son of man? Yes. according to promise.

Is a Gentile "of faith" the son of Abraham, David, man? Yes. according to Promise.

Gods Word IS God, without beginning, without ending.
Gods Word has come forth out from Gods mouth, and been called by many things.

It is in the last days, that Gods Word was REVEALED to mankind, in the LIKENESS as a man kind of thing.
It is in the last days, His revealing also came with God dictating what He will be called.

WHERE did Gods WORD come from? God in Heaven. Out from Gods mouth.
John 8
[42] Jesus said ...I proceeded forth and came from God;
John 16
[27] ....I came out from God.

It is in days PRYOR, that the Word of God, was called by other "things", but not "names".

The angel OF THE LORD.
The word of God.
The Holy One.
The Last.
My word.
etc.

Judge 13
[18] And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?

Did ANY Human kind of thing, have anything whatsoever; to do with producing, making, creating, procreating, sperm, DNA, ovum, egg, placenta, woman's blood, the Word of God, that was IN a woman's womb ? no.

John 1
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Did ANY human kind of thing, have anything whatsoever; to do with REVEALING, Gods Word? Yes. The Word of God, was revealed when the virgin Mary delivered forth the Word of God (according to the flesh). The Word of God IS revealed, every time a man, any man speaks the Word of God, believer or not.

The Word of God, IS God, and IS NOT, WAS NEVER A HUMAN MAN.
God DOES NOT CHANGE.
God DOES NOT need to BECOME a HUMAN, to appear as a man.

Acts; 17
[24] God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
[25] Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing,

It would be a SIN for God to fertilize a woman's egg with HIS SEED.
God Births SPIRITS with HIS SEED, In Hearts of men and women...
..not in fallopian tubes, not wombs of women, nor minds of men.
..not half breed giant freaks, of half SPIRITS and half HUMANS. As fallen angels did. As men claim, Jesus is Human and Spirit. As men claim, Jesus is 100% Human and 100% Spirit, making Him a 200% lie.

Christ Jesus IS Spirit, the Word of God, is the Heavenly everlasting to everlasting Lord God with us.

He is not and never was a Human, man.

God Bless,
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