Is the rapture?

Randy777 said:

I believe the resurrection of the righteous is on the last day. I believe in only one resurrection of the "righteous". As I stated those not raised on that day must be those who suffer.

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There Is One Future Resurrection Of All, Both Righteous And Wicked John 6:40, John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:1-2 That Will Take Place On The "Last Day" At The Second Advent, Resurrection, And Final Judgment, When This Earth Will Be Dissolved By the Lords Fire In Judgment.2 Peter 3:10

Jesus Christ Is The Lord

Truth7t7

Randy777 said:

Its a bodily resurrection on this earth they came to life with Him (Jesus) and reigned with Him a 1000 years
Rev 5:10
You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”

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Randy,

Those are the ones who have been beheaded, -

`And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus...` (Rev. 20:4)

And actually the Greek word `epi` means OVER the earth.

regards, Marilyn.

Truth7t7 said:

There Is One Future Resurrection Of All, Both Righteous And Wicked John 6:40, John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:1-2 That Will Take Place On The "Last Day" At The Second Advent, Resurrection, And Final Judgment, When This Earth Will Be Dissolved By the Lords Fire In Judgment.2 Peter 3:10

Jesus Christ Is The Lord

Truth7t7

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Hi Truth,

However as the believers in the Body of Christ are NOT under judgment. They will be transformed to be like Jesus. They will judge fallen angels, and the world system. This all happens a long time before the New heavens and New earth.

regards, Marilyn.

Marilyn C said:

Hi Truth,

However as the believers in the Body of Christ are NOT under judgment. They will be transformed to be like Jesus. They will judge fallen angels, and the world system. This all happens a long time before the New heavens and New earth.

regards, Marilyn.

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What Period In Earths Existence Will This Happen?

Do You Follow The Teachings Of Dispensationalism In A Pre-Trib Rapture?

What I Your View In Eschatology?

Randy777 said:

Very
The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.

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And how clear would it be, based on the following passages?

Joh 5:27　 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.　
Joh 5:28　 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice　
Joh 5:29　 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.　
Joh 5:30　 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.　



The Final Judgment (subtitle from eSword)

Mat 25:31　 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.　
Mat 25:32　 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.　
Mat 25:33　 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.　
Mat 25:34　 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:　



Rev 11:18　 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."　

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Truth7t7 said:

What Period In Earths Existence Will This Happen?

Do You Follow The Teachings Of Dispensationalism In A Pre-Trib Rapture?

What I Your View In Eschatology?

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Hi Truth,

What period of time for the judging of fallen angels and world system. That in its self declares the time slot - before Rev. 12: 9 (judgment of fallen angels) and Rev. 17 & 18 (judgment of the world`s system).

I do not hold to all the teachings of Dispensationalism and pre-trib rapture. Have some variations.

regards, Marilyn.

Marilyn C said:

Randy,

Those are the ones who have been beheaded, -

`And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus...` (Rev. 20:4)

And actually the Greek word `epi` means OVER the earth.

regards, Marilyn.

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Yes, they are part of the resurrection of all the saints on the last day. The resurrection of the righteous.

BABerean2 said:

And how clear would it be, based on the following passages?

Joh 5:27　 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.　
Joh 5:28　 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice　
Joh 5:29　 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.　
Joh 5:30　 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.　



The Final Judgment (subtitle from eSword)

Mat 25:31　 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.　
Mat 25:32　 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.　
Mat 25:33　 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.　
Mat 25:34　 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:　



Rev 11:18　 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."　

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YOUr the one who wrote this=If a system of interpretation must ignore other passages of scripture to make it work, then it cannot be correct
You asked how clear REV IS THE LAST TESTIMONY GIVEN AND DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM ANY JUDGMENTS GIVEN BUT DOES PUT 1000 YEARS BEWEEN THE RESURRECTION OF THE RIGHTEOUS AND UNRIGHTEOUS AND IT WAS GIVEN TO JESUS WHEN HE WAS ALREADY IN HEAVEN- I stated very clear -also the nations after the 1000 years are not killed by the sword that comes out of Jesus's mouth which He uses to strike down the beast and his armies which would consist of the nations that make up His army. rather they are destroyed by fire from heaven.
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. Theya had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Truth7t7 said:

There Is One Future Resurrection Of All, Both Righteous And Wicked John 6:40, John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:1-2 That Will Take Place On The "Last Day" At The Second Advent, Resurrection, And Final Judgment, When This Earth Will Be Dissolved By the Lords Fire In Judgment.2 Peter 3:10

Jesus Christ Is The Lord

Truth7t7

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There is 1000 years between them as is CLEARLY given in REV 20. And as I stated whatever 1000 years means to you it certainly doesn't mean the same day.
(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.)
If all the unrighteous are destroyed on the last day and there is no 1000 years then there will be no longer any to rule over as in "They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years" and Jesus would have turned over the reigns to God and the new Jerusalem would come down from heaven and Gods place will be with man. Death is destroyed at that point in time.

I dont see Jesus destroying the nations in Rev 20 but God as fire comes down from above.

The Judgment of Satan

7When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

All the survivors of the nations who were not part of the armies struck down by Jesus and were not caught up to the lord and clothed with immortality one that last day don't you think Jesus will pronounce judgement against them on that day as in separating the sheep from the goats? They just won't be lined up and executed on that day.
Zech 14
These are not saints but survivors of the nations.
Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lordb will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

Randy777 said:

YOUr the one who wrote this=If a system of interpretation must ignore other passages of scripture to make it work, then it cannot be correct
You asked how clear REV IS THE LAST TESTIMONY GIVEN AND DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM ANY JUDGMENTS GIVEN BUT DOES PUT 1000 YEARS BEWEEN THE RESURRECTION OF THE RIGHTEOUS AND UNRIGHTEOUS AND IT WAS GIVEN TO JESUS WHEN HE WAS ALREADY IN HEAVEN- I stated very clear -also the nations after the 1000 years are not killed by the sword that comes out of Jesus's mouth which He uses to strike down the beast and his armies which would consist of the nations that make up His army. rather they are destroyed by fire from heaven.
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. Theya had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

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I am not ignoring anything if the chain that binds Satan in Revelation chapter 20 is made of the blood of Christ, instead of steel.
Do you think a real steel chain can bind Satan?

It is not ignoring scripture to understand that the "first resurrection" found in Revelation 20 is the same resurrection found in John 5:24.

I am not ignoring scripture to acknowledge that the word "thousand" is not always used literally in scripture, as found below.

Psa 50:10　 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.　
(He owns all the hills.)


How do you get your version to line up with "the time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18?

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BABerean2 said:

I am not ignoring anything if the chain that binds Satan in Revelation chapter 20 is made of the blood of Christ, instead of steel.
Do you think a real steel chain can bind Satan?

It is not ignoring scripture to understand that the "first resurrection" found in Revelation 20 is the same resurrection found in John 5:24.

I am not ignoring scripture to acknowledge that the word "thousand" is not always used literally in scripture, as found below.

Psa 50:10　 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.　
(He owns all the hills.)


How do you get your version to line up with "the time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18?

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The context of a 1000 years is length of time pulling a 1000 hills out of the OT doesn't change that context. The context of chains is clearly imprisionment and it's a clear context. Are you suggesting because God stated it this way He is unable to bound an angel (satan)? It reads quite clear to all.

As far as judgement their is some taking place in ref to Rev 11:18 question but not the great white throne judgment
Rev20:4=>I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge but I doubt it applies to the dead all the way back in time from the creation of the world.

How do you deal with this statement=The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. How did you reduce 1000 years to zero?
but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
..Reign over who? IF all thats left is saints there is no more reign as death would have been destroyed and Jesus would have handed the reigns back over to God?
Rev 20:11-15
The final judgement -every name not found in the book of life from the creation of the world will be thrown into the lake of fire.

Randy777 said:

The context of a 1000 years is length of time pulling a 1000 hills out of the OT doesn't change that context.

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Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Ecclesiastes 6:6
Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Randy777 said:

The context of a 1000 years is length of time pulling a 1000 hills out of the OT doesn't change that context. The context of chains is clearly imprisionment and it's a clear context. Are you suggesting because God stated it this way He is unable to bound an angel (satan)? It reads quite clear to all.

As far as judgement their is some taking place in ref to Rev 11:18 question but not the great white throne judgment
Rev20:4=>I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge but I doubt it applies to the dead all the way back in time from the creation of the world.

How do you deal with this statement=The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. How did you reduce 1000 years to zero?
but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
..Reign over who? IF all thats left is saints there is no more reign as death would have been destroyed and Jesus would have handed the reigns back over to God?
Rev 20:11-15
The final judgement -every name not found in the book of life from the creation of the world will be thrown into the lake of fire.

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The question is who bound Satan and when?

Mat_12:29　 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

Mar_3:27　 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.


Col 2:15　 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.　

Based on the verses above, Christ triumphed over Satan at Calvary, by binding the "strong man".



Nobody can honestly argue that the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation is found in chapter 20, based on the passage below.

Rev 11:7　 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.　
Rev 11:8　 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.　
Rev 11:9　 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.　
Rev 11:10　 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.　
Rev 11:11　 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.　
Rev 11:12　 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.


If it is not the first bodily resurrection, then it fits the spiritual resurrection found in John 5:24.　


I do not reduce the 1,000 years to zero.
It represents the period of time from Calvary until the future Second Coming of Christ.

The only way you can make the premill doctrine work is by ignoring all of the following passages.

Matthew 25:31-46

Revelation 11:18

2 Timothy 4:1

John 5:24-30

There is no place in the New Testament where we find more than one judgment at Christ's return. He will judge both the living and the dead at His return, based on 2 Timothy 4:1.
More than one judgment must be created to make the premill doctrine work.

One must also assume that the book is in chronological order to make the premill doctrine work, which it clearly is not.

BABerean2 said:

The question is who bound Satan and when?

Mat_12:29　 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

Mar_3:27　 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.


Col 2:15　 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.　

Based on the verses above, Christ triumphed over Satan at Calvary, by binding the "strong man".



Nobody can honestly argue that the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation is found in chapter 20, based on the passage below.

Rev 11:7　 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.　
Rev 11:8　 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.　
Rev 11:9　 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.　
Rev 11:10　 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.　
Rev 11:11　 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.　
Rev 11:12　 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.


If it is not the first bodily resurrection, then it fits the spiritual resurrection found in John 5:24.　


I do not reduce the 1,000 years to zero.
It represents the period of time from Calvary until the future Second Coming of Christ.

The only way you can make the premill doctrine work is by ignoring all of the following passages.

Matthew 25:31-46

Revelation 11:18

2 Timothy 4:1

John 5:24-30

There is no place in the New Testament where we find more than one judgment at Christ's return. He will judge both the living and the dead at His return, based on 2 Timothy 4:1.
More than one judgment must be created to make the premill doctrine work.

One must also assume that the book is in chronological order to make the premill doctrine work, which it clearly is not.

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The 1000 years starts at the 2nd coming as stated in Rev 20. Not ending at the 2nd coming as thats when Jesus sends out His angels to pull up the weeds that cause and do evil. And as I stated Rev 11 vs 12 is before the sounding of the seventh trump for in vs 14 it still states "coming soon". AS Rev 11 also points out at the start the city shall be trampled on for 42 months. Its the beast that kills the two witnesses. That must be fulfilled before the 2nd coming. The language in REV 20 is clear. There will be 1000 years before the judgment of all the dead and as is in Rev 5 and Rev 20 we shall rule from earth with the Lord as in they came to life and reigned with Him a 1000 years. Rule over the survivors of the nations. They are not executed at the 2nd coming though Judgment is pronounced against them as they would NOT be caught up into the air and changed or clothed with immortality so at that point in time death hasn't been destroyed yet as in their will be no more death. Which in Rev 20 Is after the 1000 years.
Th book of Rev is in the NT so I guess I did find a place in the NT that disagrees with you. And it was given to the risen Lord by God to show the church and for future generations that they might understand whats taking place in those days. Rev 1:1 The REV doesn't change any Judgments given nor takes away from the 2nd coming and resurrection of us all on the last day. What it does outline is a 1000 period before all God enemies end up in the lake of fire and death being being destroyed. REV 11 also is speaking of two individuals just as Isaiah 53 is speaking of a individual not a people.

Jesus is giving what God gave HIM to show for He Has always abides within the framework of Fathers will. And in these last days God has spoken to us by His Son REV 1:1 Hebrews 1:1

"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

jgr said:

Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Ecclesiastes 6:6
Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

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SO then how does that reduce to no time as in zero years as in both the resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous on the same day?
It must be a short reign then as in "they came to life with Him and reigned with Him a 1000 years". And if there are only saints left in the world then reign over who? Death would have been destroyed and Jesus would have handed the reigns back over to God.
To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’b —just as I have received authority from my Father. 28I will also give that one the morning star. 29Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

There will be survivors of the nations to rule over -they are not executed - their mortal bodies will die at some point and their souls will face final judgment after the 1000 years
Zech 14
Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lordb will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

Randy777 said:

The 1000 years starts at the 2nd coming as stated in Rev 20.

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Please show the text for this claim.

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Randy777 said:

There is 1000 years between them as is CLEARLY given in V 20. And as I stated whatever 1000 years means to you it certainly doesn't mean the same day.
(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.)
If all the unrighteous are destroyed on the last day and there is no 1000 years then there will be no longer any to rule over as in "They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years" and Jesus would have turned over the reigns to God and the new Jerusalem would come down from heaven and Gods place will be with man. Death is destroyed at that point in time.

I dont see Jesus destroying the nations in Rev 20 but God as fire comes down from above.

The Judgment of Satan

7When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

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We will simply disagree, Gods word clearly teaches of a final judgment and resurrection on the same day Jihn

BABerean2 said:

Please show the text for this claim.

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And they came to life with him and reigned a 1000 years

Randy777 said:

And they came to life with him and reigned a 1000 years

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Where is your reference to the Second Coming?

(YLT)　 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;

John saw "the souls" reigning with Christ.
Where are souls found?


Act_10:42　 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.



2Ti 4:1　 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;　



Rev 20:5　 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.　


Rev 11:18　 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.



Joh 5:27　 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.　

Joh 5:28　 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,　

Joh 5:29　 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.　


Joh 5:30　 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.　



　
The Final Judgment (subtitle from eSword)


Mat 25:31　 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:　

Mat 25:32　 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:　

Mat 25:33　 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.　

Mat 25:34　 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:　


Mat 25:41　 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:　


Based on 2 Thessalonians chapter 1 the fire comes at the Second Coming of Christ.

2Th 1:7　 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,　

2Th 1:8　 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:　

2Th 1:9　 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;　

2Th 1:10　 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.　
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